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Reply #840 on: July 05, 2007, 06:33:51 PM

No, this in Goonfleet-internal stuff. I think it's hilarious. But then, I wasn't directly involved and don't have a personal stake in it.

Sorry, I thought he was talking about a corp theft in BoB.
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Reply #841 on: July 05, 2007, 06:51:14 PM

As far as I can tell, the story is Remedial stole the goon titan fund, to buy more ham.

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Reply #842 on: July 05, 2007, 09:43:41 PM

I find this hard to believe as being true (it would be a nice plan to lull BoB into a false sense of security about the arrival of an enemy Titan) but if it is, but we *please* get an official response from Goonswarm to a)put on Eve TV and b)make a new legend and myth of the game.

The GHSC heist is one of the legends of EvE. If this happened, this needs to be another one. Goons are right, it would be hilerious, and also a tragady, of Shakespearean proportions. GoonSwarm has a chance to have a new story added to their saga: The Day They Lost The Titan Fund To A Lawyer.

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Reply #843 on: July 05, 2007, 09:54:09 PM

I find this hard to believe as being true (it would be a nice plan to lull BoB into a false sense of security about the arrival of an enemy Titan) but if it is, but we *please* get an official response from Goonswarm to a)put on Eve TV and b)make a new legend and myth of the game.
I don't really believe in this story (previous pranks pretty much ensured Goons' credibilty is near zero when it comes to such things) but on the other hand if this is some kind of stunt to make people believe there's no titan to be used then it's also completely pointless... as after recent patch no one expects anyone to use titan actively on the field as it is. If GS used their titan now it would come as unexpected as it can get, without any extra mindgame.
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Reply #844 on: July 05, 2007, 10:39:48 PM

As far as I can tell, the story is Remedial stole the goon titan fund, to buy more ham.

This is, in fact, the Popcorn story. They're claiming they'll complete the Goon titan anyway, but it will be behind schedule, so I don't know whether to believe it or not.

In either case, doesn't affect me much, as they're not changing anything in the Fleet, aside from booting Remedial's characters from the corp. And he was inactive for the past month or so anyway.

Edit: There's now a thread from Remedial with an open letter saying he did it because he got politically neutered as the GF directors that liked him left, so he stole the titan fund and gave 55 billion to a random newbie. Shortly thereafter, one of the directors posts a series of screenshots showing the titan fund character giving Remedial 46 billion and then sending 25 billion to a different account's character that sounds a lot like an ISK ebayer's name ("Irreputable Salesman"). The final 23 billion was transferred back to Goonfleet by the director using Remedial's information.

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Reply #845 on: July 05, 2007, 11:03:59 PM

I find this hard to believe as being true (it would be a nice plan to lull BoB into a false sense of security about the arrival of an enemy Titan) but if it is, but we *please* get an official response from Goonswarm to a)put on Eve TV and b)make a new legend and myth of the game.
I don't really believe in this story (previous pranks pretty much ensured Goons' credibilty is near zero when it comes to such things) but on the other hand if this is some kind of stunt to make people believe there's no titan to be used then it's also completely pointless... as after recent patch no one expects anyone to use titan actively on the field as it is. If GS used their titan now it would come as unexpected as it can get, without any extra mindgame.

Use it to do what? Transport their freighters to empire?
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Reply #846 on: July 05, 2007, 11:05:41 PM

I find this hard to believe as being true (it would be a nice plan to lull BoB into a false sense of security about the arrival of an enemy Titan) but if it is, but we *please* get an official response from Goonswarm to a)put on Eve TV and b)make a new legend and myth of the game.
I don't really believe in this story (previous pranks pretty much ensured Goons' credibilty is near zero when it comes to such things) but on the other hand if this is some kind of stunt to make people believe there's no titan to be used then it's also completely pointless... as after recent patch no one expects anyone to use titan actively on the field as it is. If GS used their titan now it would come as unexpected as it can get, without any extra mindgame.

Use it to do what? Transport their freighters to empire?

I'm fairly sure that was the plan anyway - use the jumpbridge to help deal with the logistics of fueling tons of outposts in the POS spam war.
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Reply #847 on: July 06, 2007, 02:50:17 AM

I'm still leaning towards 'prank' because embezelling thousands of dollars from three thousand Goons who know your RL name & address is an incredibly stupid thing to do (especially if you're an aspiring lawyer who hasn't made it to the bar yet - hello, ethics commitee!) plus one or two other details which don't add up...but if it is real then it's definitely the best 'fuck Goons' ever. roflcopter

Edit: To be frank*, more people seemed upset about the revelation that, a month or two ago, Remedial suggested to the Directorate that GS should surrender to BoB & go back to Syndicate than about the ISK. But then again that could all be the character assassination part of a potential prank. Maybe there's a smaller ham inside.

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Reply #848 on: July 06, 2007, 03:55:09 AM

but if it is real then it's definitely the best 'fuck Goons' ever. roflcopter

I still think Mawg Spawn's was better :colbert:
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Reply #849 on: July 06, 2007, 08:24:28 AM

The GHSC heist is one of the legends of EvE. If this happened, this needs to be another one. Goons are right, it would be hilerious, and also a tragady, of Shakespearean proportions. GoonSwarm has a chance to have a new story added to their saga: The Day They Lost The Titan Fund To A Lawyer.
Nah -- the GHSC heist was awesome because they inflitrated a corp for the express purpose of destroying it -- and took the money when they did so.

If this is true, it's the EVE equivilant of some pissy ass disbanding the Guild rather than just quitting it.
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Reply #850 on: July 06, 2007, 04:02:56 PM

GS report, it's been posted on foh already.

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Operation push shit in is over. We need to figure a few things out, then the new operation will be announced.

So, write up time

Things were going well in GF for a while, we had steam rolled over V and LV and we had accumulated a shit tonne of space that nobody (including us) wanted. I made XGH the specops base and we were all down in K-9 having a PARTY. Then suddenly things stopped going so quite so well. BoB came to 9-9 in force, at the same time Mittani and Remedial decided to start becoming increasingly erratic and everything started looking bad. The directorate were arguing, we couldn't hold space, we couldn't get a fleet up and for some reason we were turning on CCP instead of BoB. One week before BoB started their siege of XGH and 9-9 myself, sensi and xttz erected a secret POS (well they did most of the actual erection) in OP- at a non-scannable moon whilst warping through system, moved a CSAA into it and started a Nyx cooking. Everything was falling apart and we had a fucking specops NYX in construction 1 jump from a system BoB had sovereignity in. The huge sense of amusement growing in us about the chance to build a mothership right under BoBs nose was way too much for me to ignore, but I needed a distraction. I needed to keep bob OUT of OP- and in XGH.

We were told to abandon everything behind 77s8 by Mittani but Sesfan and I decided that we would take Specops and hold onto this system. We would throw EVERYTHING we could at XGH, live out of there and piss BoB off as much as humanly possible in order to get this Nyx out in one piece. In addition we knew that losing tenerifis would screw us, badly. The more concentrated goons were the more chance we had of bob mustering some immense force for 2 weeks compromising of all their allies and just wiping us out. I was desperate to keep our space spread out and our number concentrated.
We had a couple of days of Specops mining in G-D as we knew we'd need it and off we went. We lost ship after ship in XGH as BoB defended it. About this point we were so close and things were looking pretty dire, and with Mittani gone and Sesfan unable to publicly help us after calling a fallback to 77s8 we really struggled. The supercap swarm in XGH continued taking the station back, killing our onlining POS's with huge fighter swarms but we persevered.
It took almost all our assets but finally the Nyx popped out. Safely.
Xttz jumped in and we set about figuring out what the hell we were going to do next. Enter Nync. This guy is a fucking awesome dude. You all know this, but maybe you have no idea to what extent.

We had run out of money, fuel and towers. We were well down on POS's and we had another problem. Rodent was now 3/4 of the way through building all the components for his mothership and they were stuck in XGH. 20 freighter loads.
We couldn't complete the build and by this time BoB knew about the secret POS, but we couldn't leave him there to rot.
Nync agreed with the tactical assessment and was quite adament that we didn't lose XGH so I told him, quite plainly, "I have 2 guys here with me that will save XGH if you can give me towers and fuel."
Nync straight away agreed. That evening Xttz was in mateber hauling POS's down to XGH ready for deployment. Nync had more POS's stashed in 77s8 than I knew existed in the game. Rodent, Arachnid and Xttz worked overtime throwing towers up left, right and centre. BoB replied with counter spam.
About this time Rodent transferred the ISK to me for a new CSAA to go up near Scalding Pass for his MS and told me that I could use it to help get his shit out. Rodent and Xttz cranked up their tag-team Empire -> XGH logistics and we purchased something like 30 small POS's, two freighter loads of POS fuel and XTTZ spent the best part of a week hauling this shit relentlessly to XGH, over and over and over and over and over. You have no idea how many runs he did... nor do I, nor, probably, does he. Bob started pulling down POS's in 9-9 to supplement the spam of XGH, and that surprised us. Surely BoB would have an unlimited number of POS's because you know, they're bob, but that was not the case. We'd reached the breaking point of their logistics, and suddenly I smelt blood. POS count in XGH was something like 20-18 in their favour so I hatched a plan. One day before patch day we'd drop 10 or so larges in XGH (I cant remember exactly) then THIRTY smalls in XGH. The reason being that they would then have to ENGAGE us to be able to take them down.
I started thinking, and something brilliantly evil came to my mind.

I convo'd Nync and told him about the XGH POS spam, he agreed it was a great idea, and that it should work. I then said to him, "You realise the entirety of BoB is going to be in XGH and 9-9 only has 6 towers in it now". He was as surprised as I was about the fact BoB had to pull towers in 9-9 to spam XGH and he knew exactly what I was thinking. It was on.
We had lots of problems with RA participation up to this point.
They were having real troubles internally and they were often unable to come on ops in the numbers they used too, much like us. Nync and I however had a rapport, and with clear goals that we set out with the directorate we were both able to gently coax enough RA and GS back into the fight.

Patch day downtime came and things went fucking nuts. We got quite a few towers up but not as much as I wanted. BoB were indeed swarming into XGH as we thought and now things get hazy. Not only was I arseholed but I was doing 100 things at once. Then bam, 5 POS limit. In XGH we were 20 or so small short. I had guys pod themselves down from the OSS, fuck, Deros MADE A NEW CORP to be able to anchor a tower. Merch anchored 5 small, everything was kicking off. Special note that DS1 were around in XGH dropping THEIR towers to save the system, helping to stave off bob attacks and generally being the awesome dude “I” knew they were, and now you know too. Anyway, just as it was all kicking off, I cyno'd Lena into 9-9 with an RA capship fleet. I already had a tower in my cargo hold and dropped it.
Bob went fucking nuts.

They recalled everyone to 9-9 while RA were sitting there with their huge cap cocks hanging out and I'd anchored 5 POS's in 9-9. THEIR system. This was the perfect distraction for XGH which then allowed us to complete the take over. I was dropping POS's IN A CARRIER with Lena (fit with a cyno gen for more RA surprise) and fuelling them with Tolon and RA were warping around helping me.
At one point I had Red Lantern in a crow scramble my rigged hauler and suffered a serious "oh fuck" moment until Nync decloaked right next to me, jammed him allowing us both to warp of as 100 BoB descend onto our ONLINING tower.

Then it was done. XGH had the potential to be secure, and 9-9 turned into the new battle ground. I put out the order on the FC forums that we would turn XGH into a wasteland. We would NOT engage in 9-9 and we would not allow BoB to remember that the system still existed. This was and important part of the plan. I wanted these fucks out of XGH because I had a mothership to evacuate. DS1 helped to rep up the station and pos (further confirming their awesome status), Xttz got onto hauling duty and Nync provided the POS and the POS race for 9-9 began. CONSTANT shuttling from empire by Rodent and Xttz, Arachnid and Xttz's CONSTANT monitoring of the XGH POS's and me barking orders every now and again beat both TAOSP and RKK in a POS war.
The 4 of us, versus RKK and TAOSP. We won. We were on top of the moon, or at least I was.

The next priority was getting goon participation back up. This was a tough one. BoB and goons were both hit by apathy at the same time (it was lucky we did not flounder too much before they did) however we needed to get goons back into the fight and back ENJOYING the game. Firstly we wanted to shift the focus of blaming CCP. I was never happy with that, Sesfan was never happy with that and now that he was in charge it was done. The specops hauler team, Nync, Sesfan and specops had pretty much achieved as much as we could achieve now and we needed GF participation, we needed the old rapetrains, we needed our cap participation back up. We needed to revive GF. What followed was some a mixture of publicity (making successes far more prominent). A huge quantity of vodka mixed with some guitar playing and people started logging in again. Slowly at first, but it began to snowball.
Our 40 man ops became 80. Then 100. Last night we had 50 caps and 100-150 people.
That's OLD school numbers. Operation "Push Shit In" has been a huge success and you know what, even if things go terribly for a few weeks - we're back having a laugh, getting scammed by fat fucks and enjoying the game.

Whilst we've all being doing this in 9-9 we have evecuated rodents MS to a FAR safer region where it will soon start production (praises to the specops team that were running around escorting freighters while GF got fun fights).

There's a lot that's been left out of this that hasn't been to do with specops. Grayton and Stampert taking the reigns in 9-9 for fuelling, Sesfan's over seeing of everything FC'ing and general owning of all previous CEO's, Stampert's logistics, Widebrant, Scavok and many others picking up the slack when I'd drop the ball... but this is the story of how a few people beat back BoB and retook XGH, and how we ended up in contention for 9-9.

So if you see nync, xttz or rodent thank them. They saved XGH and 9-9 (and personally, I believe were instrumental in the saving of GS). They wouldn't have been able to without a LOT of other people's hard work but in my mind they were the ones that kicked off the take back of XGH and 9-9.

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Reply #851 on: July 06, 2007, 06:37:36 PM

What did you guys do to Mahrin, he hasn't posted in ages.
Been busy, I'm trying to make more girl-games.  Haven't been playing that much, and other than the H74 SNAFU (we thought that if BoB had Sovereignty, only BoB could attack the station, turns out that it's only unattackable if sovereignty and ownership match) and some ongoing skirmishing down in that general vicinity with IAC, we aren't doing anything much.  I have no idea what's going on in 9-9, or with BoB in general.  FIX in in a rebuilding mode, we didn't take much of a break after the Q assault ended before we backed the MC attack in the north, so there's the usual round of wallet rebuilding, R&R, etc.

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Reply #852 on: July 07, 2007, 05:32:59 AM

and some ongoing skirmishing down in that general vicinity with IAC, we aren't doing anything much. 

Last night IAC and Brotherhood of Steel (BOS?) put some towers up in FIXs outpost station of 49-U on the qerious/Catch border. Apparently FIX didn't counter attack as of yet (thier scout was killed and the fleet backed off). Dunno if any towers got put into reinforced.

I was too tried to join in, so don't know anything beyond that. A FIX fleet came into Catch and got pounded today.

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Reply #853 on: July 07, 2007, 06:54:09 AM

Bob tried to counter in 9-9 last night.  They sent two titans, some caps, and abut 140 fleet members.  We drew first blood, and took out a bunch of T2 stuff like couple of command ships and the like).  Then we got bored and jumped in on their main fleet (whie outnumbered 3-2) but had to draw back almost at once when only about a quarter of us (of whom i was one) could load the grid.  It was a recklessly over-aggressive move and we lost quite a few battleships as a result, though it was fun to call primaries for a bit, and the two primaries I called went down so I am now a successful feleet commander  tongue ).  In a week's worth of fighting in 9-9 it was the first engagement I'd been in that we'd lost, so it was weird to see how little people cared: I was a bit "wtf?  but we always win!"  All the same, we'd already killed two carriers and almost popped a third by then.

That said, it was hilarious for those of us who had loaded the grid to see Shrike's reaction: he was in the POS and we were watching closely to see if he would come out and DD.  No such luck: he actually turned round and burrowed deeper into the POS bubble.

Anyway, we camped all the gates nearby, killed some crows and other inties who thought they could break through stupid T1 goonie campers, and nothing much altered.  Note that we have destroyed a ton of BoB POSes now, and as a result have sovereignty and a solid majority of POSes in the system.  Since I don't understand POS warfare any better than the average monkey, I have no idea if that's the last swap or if it will take 14 days to bed down with us, but I do know we're hoping for a counter: 9-9 is a beautiful meatgrinder, and one suggestion was that we rename the station the Stalingrad No.87 Red October Tractor Factory.

Edit:  It turns out Bob did want that system after all.  They jumped in a fairly big capital fleet, carrier-heavy, and started fighter-bombing our POS guns before putting them in reinforced.  Not many folks were around, so six guys in smartbombing BSes jumped on their fighter swarm:

About 65 dead fighters.  Only one of the suicide squad actually suicided: the other three got away just fine.  That's about a billion in fighters for the cost of 30 million in insurance gap and fittings.  The guy will no doubt make several times that in donations.  The PoS guns had killed about another 50 fighters by an hour ago.

The stront was well-timed, so it'll probably be an alarm-clock op for BoB.  This will be fun, even if I have to watch from work.
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Reply #854 on: July 08, 2007, 09:51:06 AM

Looks like we're making a definite go for 49-U: IAC has 1 POS, BOS has 10, vs FIX's 13.  The rumours of MC being hired to save FIX (well, one station, I very much doubt IAC+BOS can invade all of Qeroius without Goonswarms help, so FIX isn't going to die like ISS did) so far have not occurred.

FIX by themselves cannot hold onto 49-U, it's too close to IAC's bases in Catch, but if MC shows up they probably can. BoB is way too busy fighting in Stalingrad-in-Tenerfies to care about FIX losing 1 station on the border.

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Reply #855 on: July 08, 2007, 11:21:02 AM

The stront was well-timed, so it'll probably be an alarm-clock op for BoB.
Certainly looks like that's how it's going to happen - timing seems to work out as tomorrow morning European time.

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Reply #856 on: July 08, 2007, 03:47:46 PM

The situation reminds me of Bannockburn, where Edward Bruce (Robert's brother) forced a battle Robert didn't want by making a high-profile bet with the commander of Stirling Castle.  Bob, of course, might hope that they do just as well out of this as the Bruce did in the end, but it's a reckless gamble.  If they win, they're back to grinding pos warfare of the sort they've been hammered at for a week.  If they lose they take a vast hit to prestige.  Immense.  If they bring MC along then they look dependent on the "real" PvPers.

Anyway, I have to go to bed: don't want to miss this massive pew pew, no matter which way it goes, despite having work to go to partway through.  I have several drakes that must surely die for the swarm, and my current one has so far refused to die despite killing an Ares, 2 tempests, a claymore, a malediction, a eagle, a drake and a crow.  It'll learn the meaning of fiery death this time, I'm sure.  :-D  I suspect Bob will bring everything they have and win, which will hopefully mean another week of Stalingrad 9-9.

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Reply #857 on: July 08, 2007, 04:10:28 PM

It's either they bring everything, or they bring nothing and go and try to mess up something else while your all hungry and waiting for that BoB capital fleet to show up.

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Reply #858 on: July 09, 2007, 01:00:03 AM

Ooorrrr... and I don't mean to give anything away here, we foolishly jump into a Bob fleet hoping that lag and desynchs are somehow things of the past, and get emergency-warped, one-by-one, into the middle of the waiting Bob fleet.  Doh.

Sesfan got carried away.

The annoying thing is that we were in the dominant position at that point, with them in 46 and us in 9-9, where they had to get to to get at our reinforced POSes. We turned up early and controlled the engagement.

Here's what Bob is seeing as a result.

Edit: For those interested in such reportage, Bob proved that we do not have a monopoly on stupidity by blindly warping a sniper fleet into our fully-armed-and-operational battle station, where a full fleet and POS guns made short work of them.  On the downside (wth the emphasis on "downs"), CCP's software is proving as hilarious as ever, with POS guns shooting friendlies, lag, desynchs and more on all sides.

Edit: The balance continues to swing towards GF: Bob keep engaging at towers and being driven off with losses.  It looks like they'll fail to pop a single one of the towers they came for.  That is a massive strategic victory for GF+allies.  Bob brought everything, called an alarm-clock op for a Monday morning, with the intention of destroying our towers and driving us out of 9-9, and failed to destroy a single one (I think one is just being repped just now, but we're almost there).  We, on the other hand, blew up a ton of their towers in the same system last week.  The rest of our towers come out of reinforced tomorrow: let's see if they are ready to try again.

Another Edit: Possibly in an attempt to salvage something Bob jumped en masse to the last POS they could attack, which was being repped, and got beaten off with heavy losses to both them and their meatshield of the evening, Rise.  Several bubbles went up, and some ill-advised attempts to ctrl-Q only made things worse.

Final Edit:  Sesfan's Battle Report

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BATTLE REPORT:

Textbook example of pos defense barring my extremely unfortunate decision to try to engage BoB in 46DP at the start. They warped in, we'd tackle, they'd warp out, we'd kill a few, rinse, wash repeat. At the very end they made a do or die effort, warped their entire fleet in, and just stayed there and didn't leave while we pounded on them. Only about 10 got out.

The major difference during this siege were the controllable pos guns which absolutely destroyed dozens of them from really far away which was amazing to watch... [opsec removed] ... All our poses were repped up and saved ... [opsec removed] ....

DO NOT GET COMPLACENT. We need to do this all again, same time tomorrow, same deal as today. The difference is I promise not to have anybody leave the system this time and no fuckups, pure rape all day long.

That being said: We weathered THE VERY BEST that BoB can do. Their entire offensive is failing miserably. They suck ass and all of EVE can see it. Short of calling in MC they have nothing left. I'm so fucking proud of you all right now, what a fantastic day.
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Reply #859 on: July 09, 2007, 07:04:06 AM

Oh God, that BoB fanfic in the RP CAOD-analogue makes me want to gouge out my own eyes with a rusty spork.  cry

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Reply #860 on: July 09, 2007, 08:01:04 AM

Oh God, that BoB fanfic in the RP CAOD-analogue makes me want to gouge out my own eyes with a rusty spork.  cry

What do you mean?!?  I think it's fan-slash-tastic.

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The BoB Hornets had come to destroy the hives.
But the Hornets had changed their plans.
Utterly outnumbered, as only hornets can be, they decided to leave the hives intact and went for the bees in their ships.

Ohnoes, if only they had gone four our, umm, hives (well, they did, four times, and got pounded each time.  But let's let that slide).

He's right about one bit, though, when he quotes Bonaparte:

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

Roll on tonight  :-D

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Reply #861 on: July 09, 2007, 01:57:48 PM

Your battle reports and all sound impressive, but didn't you lose over five hundred ships in process of killing whole 46 Bobbites? cool
For 160 BoB gang in local of 600, I consider this quite an achievement.
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Reply #862 on: July 09, 2007, 02:06:40 PM

Even though I have no interest in playing eve whatsoever, it sure is fun to read about.
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Reply #863 on: July 09, 2007, 02:33:02 PM

Your battle reports and all sound impressive, but didn't you lose over five hundred ships in process of killing whole 46 Bobbites? cool
For 160 BoB gang in local of 600, I consider this quite an achievement.

Well, we lost a lot of ships, for sure.  A lot.  Not quite as many as we lost when we killed LV, but same ballpark.  And it didn't help them too much, did it?

The fact is, you put our POSes into reinforced, just like we did to you last week.  Last week, we then killed yours when they came out of reinforced.  Today, you failed to kill a single one of ours.  Not one

You alarm-clocked your alliance and threatened to kick people who didn't show.  And it failed.  Now, I'm not saying that you might not do better tonight.  Hell, you might turn the whole thing around.  You might even bring along some of MC and give us a real fight.  But the fact is that last night you won one engagement - when we stupidly jumped after you into 46DP in laggy conditions.  Goons are dumb itt.  Other than that, you and Rise, Finfleet and the rest just fought and bled at the Red October Tractor Factory.

I keep having to explain the difference between tactics and strategy to you and LC, Joe.  Surely you get that if you turn up wanting and needing to kill POSes, and we turn up wanting to save them, and we save them all, that's what matters.  That's strategy.  That's why you got driven back from XGH.  That's why you lost 9-9.  We can afford to lose T1-fitted, insured battleships aaaalll day long.  And we will throw them away and laugh at the result (see the above flowchart).

I don't know if you noticed, but these are internet spaceships.  In-ter-net space-ships.  That means when you kill one, it doesn't die: it just gets up and comes back at you again.  We're a fucking zombie horde and you can't kill us.  You could have killed all five POSes last night and we'd still have just spent the week killing yours like we did all last week.  But you didn't.

PS = Since you really care about numbers for some reason, we didn't lose 500, and you didn't lose 46.  Or does it not count when Rise lose ships, or Finfleet, or all your other friends?  I count 32 of the oh-so-precious Greater Bob Community battleships lost to us, and I seem to remember 58 on Bob's KB by the end of the battle.  Two to one?!?  You can do better than that.  We lost 266 ships to LV once in a single engagement, without a single kill in return.  They were dead within a month.

Edit:  Come on LC, according to the "Who's Online" page you've been writing a response for 16 24 minutes...  huh
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Reply #864 on: July 09, 2007, 03:02:46 PM

Edit:  Come on LC, according to the "Who's Online" page you've been writing a response for 16 minutes...  huh

I was going to write a response about lag, and how we laughed at "zergs" back in the day. Then I changed my mind.

I think everyone lost this morning. Goons will pretend that they don't care about their losses, but I know they have to be slightly frustrated.

Personally I enjoyed my slide show, and module lag.

Edit: I got the final blow on the dread that was popped, but I didn't get on the killmail. I really hate the limited size of killmails.

And I managed to stay alive for the whole fight.
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Reply #865 on: July 09, 2007, 03:16:07 PM

Edit:  Come on LC, according to the "Who's Online" page you've been writing a response for 16 minutes...  huh

I was going to write a response about lag, and how we laughed at "zergs" back in the day. Then I changed my mind.

I think everyone lost this morning. Goons will pretend that they don't care about their losses, but I know they have to be slightly frustrated.

Personally I enjoyed my slide show, and module lag.

Thoughtful response, LC, and it deserves a sensible reply.

I think that the two cap fleets were both frustrated, yes.  We have chatlogs from the BoB cap fleet which shows that they were bored at not being able to intervene, certainly.  And goon foot-soldiers were very frustrated by the decision to jump into 46-DP: we knew what was going to happen as a result, although it worked out worse than we thought.

But I promise you that by the end we were really, truly delighted by the outcome, other than General Brusilov, who whined incessantly about the 46-DP incident, and Moscroft, who had it in his head that some announcement would follow a win.

Our losses really don't matter: producer goons have been offering free replacements today for the bigger ships on production of a killmail, and the smaller stuff is free anyway: we make a profit when we die in insured corp handouts.  Folks were offering big bonuses - far more than the insurance and fittings cost - for people who would suicide BSes into the BoB fighter swarm last night (even though only one BS actualy died in the end in the fightercaust that resulted).

This is the gap between us, and why we so often talk past each other: Goons honestly don't care about losing ships. It's something to boast about.  The frustration about 46-DP really wasn't the losses, just that BoB would have something to divert attention on CAOD from the "bigger picture" of us saving all the POSes.  And, of course, the annoyance of not getting to fight til we got back into the system.

Edit:  I have no idea what that Russkie was doing with his dread: first he jumps to an enemy PoS: stupid, but doable.  Then he decides to go into siege?!?  But Russians know better than me about such things :itisamystery:.  Oh, and I stayed alive the whole night too, but only because I lag-warped out of the slaughter at 46-DP, black-screened for 15 minutes, and had to go to work.  I was amazed to find i was still alive when i got home.  Amazed and disappointed, since I am now on no killmails as being there, even my own...
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Reply #866 on: July 09, 2007, 03:33:04 PM

This is the gap between us, and why we so often talk past each other: Goons honestly don't care about losing ships. It's something to boast about.  The frustration about 46-DP really wasn't the losses, just that BoB would have something to divert attention on CAOD from the "bigger picture" of us saving all the POSes.  And, of course, the annoyance of not getting to fight til we got back into the system.

Honestly, I don't see us being able to destroy any POSes until a faster way of removing the masses of lag producing frigates is found. I know we are working on some strategies, but I don't think we are ready to use them just yet. I also believe that we will need to bring in our allies to assist us. When considering how much help GS is receiving, I don't think there is a reason not to.

That russian guy was shooting at the warp scrambling battery I think. Maybe he was hoping nobody would notice him?
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Reply #867 on: July 09, 2007, 03:47:46 PM

Bob already bring in folks like Rise, Finfleet and the like, and I can see why you would view those as of limited usefulness.

The trouble with insisting on someone competent like MC coming in is the whole "omnipotence itself", "you are already dead" and "there are no goons" thing that Molle and DBP have been doing for a long time: it's a big admission.

Serious question: why do you think that Bob haven't been able (or willing) to kill our POSes in reply?  I mean, in Euro time - which is where I am - you have numbers advantages for several hours every day, so the lagswarm thing surely isn't such a huge issue?  100 goons in gang beat up BoB POSes while 80 Bob sit on the gate, but when there are 100 Bob and 80-odd of us in local at around 9-ish, we all just sit there in our camps and do nothing  huh

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Reply #868 on: July 09, 2007, 04:23:53 PM

Oh God, that BoB fanfic in the RP CAOD-analogue makes me want to gouge out my own eyes with a rusty spork.  cry

What do you mean?!?  I think it's fan-slash-tastic.

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The BoB Hornets had come to destroy the hives.
But the Hornets had changed their plans.
Utterly outnumbered, as only hornets can be, they decided to leave the hives intact and went for the bees in their ships.
Not exactly the best metaphor to use, though
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Reply #869 on: July 09, 2007, 04:28:51 PM

Serious question: why do you think that Bob haven't been able (or willing) to kill our POSes in reply?  I mean, in Euro time - which is where I am - you have numbers advantages for several hours every day, so the lagswarm thing surely isn't such a huge issue?  100 goons in gang beat up BoB POSes while 80 Bob sit on the gate, but when there are 100 Bob and 80-odd of us in local at around 9-ish, we all just sit there in our camps and do nothing  huh

Have any POSes come out of reinforced during euro time lately? I have been busy lately, and haven't been around a lot. (Preparing to possibly move to a new town.)
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Reply #870 on: July 09, 2007, 05:17:20 PM

I am really looking forward to reading about a giant fleet battle when BoB, RA, GS and the rest really bring out their capital fleets. A desync on one side or the other could really change the political landscape of EvE for months to come from one such battle, which is probably why it hasn't happened much since R2. I am also really curious to see what role MC plays in this fight. If they join BoB in the south they may be able to tip the fight to BoB's advantage and swing the pendulum the other way, but I wonder if they will not stay out of it in fear of losing their vaunted fleet in a massive desync? Regardless this is an interesting time for EvE, I just hope the winner in this war is not lag or desync, but the alliance that actually manages to have the best strategy, tactics, logistics, and determination to win. Either way it is great fun reading about this war.

Keep it up with the war reports.
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Reply #871 on: July 09, 2007, 06:20:30 PM

Lets hope CCP will fix the damn desync (it's not a real desync btw, just graphic bug) in next patch.

Also:
1) Goonies care about their internet spaceships game, just look a the ferocity they attacked CCP with.
2) Everyone comes back and in that sense no alliance truthly dies (as named entities they do -  but people stay). If it was otherwise, BoB would have no one but themselves to shot at  ;p
3) They do come in smaller ships though.
4) Real strategy is about keeping it up and surviving in a long term. We got our kills, you got the POSes. But how it's going to look tommorow? Or next week? Or next month? That's where the question lies.
5) LC sais both sides lost, I say both have won. Goonies got their short term strategic goal, BoB had a load of fun blowing them up.
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Reply #872 on: July 09, 2007, 11:31:32 PM

Tonight's battle has started. We are experiencing at least double the amount of lag from last night. I'm watching empty space while the goons fill local chat with racial slurs.
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Reply #873 on: July 09, 2007, 11:39:37 PM

So you're saying it's Tuesday then?  :-D

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Reply #874 on: July 10, 2007, 01:38:41 AM

Half the POSes have been successfully repped already, about half left to defend.  Bob numbers are a little bit down on yesterday, although still enough to show they're under orders to be here.  The allies that got hammered hardest are down a bit more in numbers.  Goons, presumably all wanting to be in on a rerun, are a bit stronger than yeterday in numbers at the times I was on (I was doing local counts for the FC).

For those who are actually concerned with k/d ratios (and I hope you know my opinions on that by now), at the moment (8:22 eve time), Bob claim 9 battleships (ours and allies) on their killboard and we've posted 9 battleship kills on ours, six of them Bob's, so all square there.  Some of our heroic repping crews have been at work for 14 hours repairing and boosting modules and shields.  I'm now at work, but big donations to them when I get home.

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Have any POSes come out of reinforced during euro time lately? I have been busy lately, and haven't been around a lot. (Preparing to possibly move to a new town.)

Goon POSes have been stront-timed to perfection, so no: they've all come out between 5 and 12 Eve time, which means late Goon or the start of RA prime.  Bob's logistics guys should be shot, as they've really let your side down badly: I don't know the total from last ten days, but I know that I was involved in just less than two dozen reinforcements and a smaller number of destructions, and they have been scattered all over the clock.  POS passwords haven't always been set and stront timing has been as short as a few hours sometimes. A good half dozen of Bob's towers have come out in BoB prime, and we got most of them: each time they've sat on a different POS and let it happen, with 2 or 3 sniping fly-bys.

A couple of Bob's logistics guys were better, and have stealth-onlined large towers while we were destroying others (you can rename a tower so that scanners make it look like it's a ship), though those were usually into reinforced within a few minutes of being online, but they kept the sov timer up for grabs for a few more days, so I suppose they had a strategic point.

Anyway, it's still ongoing and I imagine that, with titan support in-system and a cap-fleet waiting in the wings, we'll see Bob make a play at some point soon for one of the remaining towers.

Edit:  As foretold in prophecy, Bob turned up for a big push at the last POS needing repped (we've saved the other eight already).  They started badly, by putting up a wall of bubbles then promptly warping right into them, pinning themselves down.  The resulting fight has been going on for ten or fifteen minutes. For the last few months, Bob would simply have jumped in a titan and pressed the IWin button.  We can only dream that Shrike - who is lurking in a POS - would dare try that, now.
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