Battlestar Galactica (spoilers/speculation)

[MrHat]

*insert some clever photoshop of that Time Magazine Most Important Person: You && The Final Cylon: You*

[Venkman]

I'm still on the fence about the cat, it did get shown, but only from Romo's point of view so maybe that part was "the Sixth Sense: Cat Edition".

If I recall correct, Lee asked "man, don't you ever feed this thing?" when the cat meowed looking for food, and he made some other references to it. This is the part that made the last sequence so confusing. It went from Romo preparing to encounter Lee to cat-being-dead-in-bag. I felt that Romo was preparing to meet with Lee by killing the cat, but there'd need to be some more time between that and the encounter for it to smell in a way to make Lee wince. Unless the writers didn't really care about that in favor of just going the Seven route of implied head-in-box and person-being-sick-on-sight.

Man, I need to find some more words. To-many-dashes.

[Nevermore]

I thought Lee made that comment after he tripped over/kicked the empty cat bowl.

[MrHat]

Could've been a different cat.

Manipulations and all that.

[Triforcer]

Tolerance and Love is the final Cylon.  Its the Cylon that is IN OUR HEARTS. 

[Oban]

Its the Cylon that is IN OUR HEARTS. 

Cholesterol?

[Samwise]

Lee never saw the cat in Romo's quarters, as evidenced by him asking where the cat was when the cat was (apparently) in plain sight.  It was all in Romo's head; he's been carrying a dead cat around in his bag and talking to it as if it were alive and able to understand him.  Because he's gone a bit nutty and the cat is his Banquo.

That or the cat is the final Cylon.

[Oban]

[Venkman]

I thought Lee made that comment after he tripped over/kicked the empty cat bowl.

Hmm, good point. Sci-fi channel have the whole episode for viewing for free? Don't feel like buying it but this is something I'd love to re-see, in that Sixth Sense sorta way.

[Yegolev]

Everyone see the Eve-online commercial?

I did.  Didn't look like the EVE I remember.  Can I fly a Nyx into a station for major boom now?  Was that the fix for capship bowling?

[Merusk]

Everyone see the Eve-online commercial?

I did.  Didn't look like the EVE I remember.  Can I fly a Nyx into a station for major boom now?  Was that the fix for capship bowling?

Yeah, I groused about that loudly. "Ship collision?! I fucking wish,"  I think was my exact epithet.   That and Boarding/ Capturing ships would get my money forever.

[Tale]

Everyone see the Eve-online commercial?

I did.  Didn't look like the EVE I remember.  Can I fly a Nyx into a station for major boom now?  Was that the fix for capship bowling?

Once, I understood the English language.

[Venkman]

 

Yea, not familiar with "capship bowling" either. There was this thing you could do where if you came at a station at just the right angle at just the right time, you could knock other ships off of their docking tragectory. Not sure how big of a ship you could do that against though, but it does ring of "bowling".*

This lesson in etymology brought to you by Microbrew!

[Samwise]

Don't we have three forums dedicated to Eve already?  What's wrong with you people?

[Merusk]

  What's wrong with you people?

They enjoy Eve.

[Mrbloodworth]

Well, we already know that Cylons can reproduce.

Chef and plain-jane.
Athena and the Hero.
So why not cyclops and six?

Also, Tigh having control of the battlestar fits in to the whole "the final five will lead you to earth" meme.

Cyclops and Six are *both* cylons.

It's been established over and over that Cylons can't reproduce with other Cylons.

Regular Cylons can't reproduce. Tigh isn't regular.

[Jayce]

Hi, late to the party.  I actually like all the things you guys are complaining about.  The mysticism and religious stuff sets the show apart from the all-hard-science all the time norm of scifi shows.  It clearly does exist in some way, for example a Cylon hybrid knowing Kara's name?  I think the drama and pacing are good, and I didn't foresee JUMP even though my wife did.

I think they're having a hard time figuring out what to do with Lee.  It's too bad, because Jamie Bamber is a good actor and the character had some cool stuff to do in the past.  The love triangle seems to have evaporated, he had command of a battlestar but lost it, and he made a great pilot but now he's off being unimportant even though he's president.  I mean, come on, who cares really.  Roslin's the president and that's that; we don't care who tries to step into her shoes before the spot is even cold.

I'm thinking they better pay off the whole Cylon/human reproductive thing; in fact it better be pivotal to the whole resolution, since they give it such a big part between the Athena's kid and the Opera House, Tyrol's kid and now Tigh's.

I did see the EVE ad.  It took me by surprise, since I was thinking it looked VERY familar, then realized why.  I think they should have had a longer or more flashy one, because it was pretty forgettable even to me who already plays.

[tazelbain]

I think they're having a hard time figuring out what to do with Lee.  It's too bad, because Jamie Bamber is a good actor and the character had some cool stuff to do in the past.  The love triangle seems to have evaporated, he had command of a battlestar but lost it, and he made a great pilot but now he's off being unimportant even though he's president.  I mean, come on, who cares really.  Roslin's the president and that's that; we don't care who tries to step into her shoes before the spot is even cold.

They have stores they wish to tell and they move the game pieces into position. Moving Lee into the president frees Roselin up for Roselin/Bill reunite/love story they have been setting up.  Obviously the president is going to have to make some really hard choices soon.  Having Lee in that position makes is more fun.  Roselin is so sure of herself, while Lee agonizes over everything.  It continues the "leaders making hard choices" theme they have been running since the beginning.  I think Lee stays as president.

[Raguel]

Hi, late to the party.  I actually like all the things you guys are complaining about.  The mysticism and religious stuff sets the show apart from the all-hard-science all the time norm of scifi shows.

Don't get me wrong, it's not religion in general I dislike. IIRC religion was central to a few characters in B5. The stuff here just wants me want to throttle someone. I don't know why exactly.

And I disagree somewhat with Haemish: this gov't IMO hasn't been legitimate since the Cylons landed on New Caprica. Baltar bent over for them, as soon as Tom made President he became a murderous thug. I don't remember the climax to that episode, but yah Roslin's president. She and Adama run things like a co-dictatorship. Roslin can barely disguise her contempt for the quorum. With Roslin gone, who's going to court martial Adama? I'd like to believe Bill actually reflected on his conversation with Romo, and that's why he stepped down, but maybe you guys are right and he was just lovesick. 

[Samwise]

Don't get me wrong, it's not religion in general I dislike. IIRC religion was central to a few characters in B5. The stuff here just wants me want to throttle someone. I don't know why exactly.

Probably because it shows only the worst aspects of it -- you've got naive people with blind faith and you've got cynical people using that for political gain.  Oh, and cynical people with blind faith using it to justify whatever they feel like doing.

[HaemishM]

Hi, late to the party.  I actually like all the things you guys are complaining about.  The mysticism and religious stuff sets the show apart from the all-hard-science all the time norm of scifi shows.

Don't get me wrong, it's not religion in general I dislike. IIRC religion was central to a few characters in B5. The stuff here just wants me want to throttle someone. I don't know why exactly.

I'll tell you why. The religious characters in B5 were at the very base ACTUAL CONSISTENT CHARACTERS. Their characters changed over time, but when they acted out of character, it was for very good reasons that made sense to the story. Hell, take G'Kar's entire character arc as the perfect example. Brilliantly written and well-acted, and his entire transformation was organic and natural. It wasn't forced.

All the characters on this show are forced into specific roles whether it makes any sense for them to be put there or not. They are nothing more than convenient ciphers for the writers' whims. Some of them become almost didactic in their regurgitating specific points the writer is trying to make. Lee's character is probably one of the worst examples of this. From the idiotic love triangle to the faux lawyer show for Baltar to Quorom member to President, none of his arc makes any sense. He's worn more hats than Carter has liver pills, and most have been spectacularly ill-fitting.

[Lantyssa]

No one talked about that moment between Natalie and Doc Cottle. What did you think that was all about? Also, in the timeline, would the resurrection hub have still been up? Were they close enough for her to come back?

Cottle playing the role Anders did for the other Six.  They could handle her death a few ways, however my guess is she made it back to the Resurrection ship before they unboxed Xena and blew it up, and they'll have a little conference.

I thought Lee made that comment after he tripped over/kicked the empty cat bowl.

He did.

Lee made references to the cat, but never interacted with it, only its toys and such.  As Sam said, Romo had gone a bit nutter.  (One scene with it did a weird little disjointed jump that told you something was up with the cat, if you happened to catch it.)

[Tannhauser]

Last night's ep was the best of the season.  You got to see some combat, Baltar confesses, the Prez regains her humanity.  This is what I expect from BG and I finally got it this season last night.  Halo, excuse me Helo, is once again the paragon of humanity; he never makes a bad choice.  Ron Moore must have some serious man-love for that guy. 

Loved the battle strategy, use your harpoons and tow cables!  One shot following a missle's short short life was very cool.  One thing I  hated was the absence of the now legendary drum beat music for battle.  I actually noticed the lame battle music and I NEVER notice music in a combat scene.

I don't know, Baltar felt a bit off last night.  Callis normally brings his A game every time but I just wasn't feeling it.  The Prez carried the ep well and her 'resurrection' back to humanity was well done.  I think  I'll go watch it again. :)

[tazelbain]

I hate Baltar's religion of positive self-affirmation.

[Triforcer]

The whole Helo/random Eight scene was rather ham-handed foreshadowing, but other than that great episode. 

[Chenghiz]

I thought Baltar trying to convert the Centurion was hilarious, and Deanna was a brilliant bitch. I love how she just refused to say anything when Roslin co-opted her. As if she would have done anything else!

[Tale]

Yeah great episode, after such a bad one last time. I think what we're seeing is different writers and different episode directors.

[Furiously]

Baltar and the Centuarian were greatness.

[Abagadro]

One thing I  hated was the absence of the now legendary drum beat music for battle.  I actually noticed the lame battle music and I NEVER notice music in a combat scene.

I disagree. They were essentially committing a form of genocide so the funereal tint to the music was perfect IMO.

[Tebonas]

While I found the Baltar and Centurion scene funny, it also may be a key point.

All that happened before will happen again. And with the disabling of the obedience chips and after the reintegration of the human models into the human population what we just saw might be the planting of the seeds for the next Cylon revolution.

[Abagadro]

Moore has said that that was going to be a plot line this season but had to be dropped because so much other stuff had to be resolved.

[palmer_eldritch]

Moore has said that that was going to be a plot line this season but had to be dropped because so much other stuff had to be resolved.

Yeah I heard that, but I wonder if that might have been a bit of misdirection? If the centurion storyline really does go nowhere it's going to be a bit weak. You'd expect them to rebel, or do ... something. The simple fact that they were ever fitted with obedience chips should piss them off a bit now that they are capable of thinking for themselves.

[Venkman]

I thought the episode was pretty good, but that Baltar thing actually annoyed me. It was like he was delusion, trying to find anyone who could become his flock. And it all came out of nowhere, no precedent. And how does it make sense? I though Baltar saw a connection between Cylon and Human? So he wants to drive a wedge to cause a civil war between centurion and skinjobs? To what end? Humanity's on the brink of getting below the sustainability line. There's going to need to be intermingling of the species. So subverting the security force may be a nice plot device for future battles, but how's that help the premise of the show? Maybe I'm missing something.

I just get the impression that this promised-land allegory needs resolution with the Cylons since a) some of their number know where the human's promised land is; and, b) even if they didn't their superior numbers and tech would find it eventually anyway. Given what we saw on New Caprica, the Galactica isn't brimming with terraforming quantum-level matter recreation technologies, so making Earth livable if it's empty requires the Cylons not bomb that too.

I'm interested to see how it ends at least. That's gotta mean something.

The Roslin self-debate with wounded Baltar was poignant, as was her reunion with Adama at the end. The battle over the Hub was ok, but too predictable. Five base stars and a Hub worth of Raiders and one half-functioning basestar with a few score Raiders and Vipers takes it out, with enough time to lolligag over getting Deanna? It just felt like "ok, time to move the plot forward again". No finesse.

And once again, I liked the preview more than the episode. Nice to see Tigh come clean, though that could as easily be a dream sequence... followed by Bill pulling a pistol and killing him.

Finally, where do the final Five resurrect, if at all?

[Jayce]

Finally, where do the final Five resurrect, if at all?

Nowhere anymore, it seems.  I'd be pissed I never got to check it out.

[eldaec]

Finally, where do the final Five resurrect, if at all?

Nowhere anymore, it seems.  I'd be pissed I never got to check it out.

Thing is, how did the cylons ever know it was the same conciousness that got resurrected?

How do they know they don't end up trapped in a box filled with water while some new cylon was created with all their memories?


I couldn't be a cylon, because there's no way I'd be down with the whole 'don't worry, we'll resurrect you' shit.