Battlestar Galactica (spoilers/speculation)

[Jain Zar]

Not really quoting you, but your avatar is the bestest thing ever.

As to BSG?  I'm enjoying the hell out of it the way I have enjoyed the hell out of almost every episode ever except for the one where they introduced Tigh's wife which kinda sucked.
I actually like the slow build up and the development of the characters.

Besides, if I want to hate a show, I have the ENTIRE creative output of Joss Whedon I can happily loathe.

Ah, so you're my polar opposite then!

Hey, Joss Whedon is to geeky entertainment what Ron Paul is to politics.  Big on the Internet, but few people in the real world actually give a shit.
Except Ron Paul didn't turn Kitty Pryde into a cunt. 

[Ookii]

Joss Whedon was involved with X-Men somehow?

I mean we are referring to Ellen Page here right?

[Venkman]

There was a rumor at one point that Joss Whedon was going to direct X-Men 3, but that wasn't actually the case. That's the only thing I can think of.

Hey, Joss Whedon is to geeky entertainment what Ron Paul is to politics.  Big on the Internet, but few people in the real world actually give a shit.

I mostly agree, but wasn't Buffy popular for awhile? Not that Buffy being popular means Joss was known, just more of an idle question.

[Merusk]

I mostly agree, but wasn't Buffy popular for awhile? Not that Buffy being popular means Joss was known, just more of an idle question.

 Buffy never got higher than 118 in the season ratings according to the listings on Wikipedia and even at it's peak it was tied to be the #2 show on the WB.  It wasn't ever that big a show.

[HaemishM]

Joss Whedon was involved with X-Men somehow?

I mean we are referring to Ellen Page here right?

Whedon wrote 24 issues the Astonishing X-Men series. And I actually liked his take on Kitty Pryde, until he fucking killed her.

[Venkman]

Oh, that wierdo comic stuff 

Thanks Merusk. Once again blinded by my market of one

[Jain Zar]

Joss Whedon was involved with X-Men somehow?

I mean we are referring to Ellen Page here right?

Whedon wrote 24 issues the Astonishing X-Men series. And I actually liked his take on Kitty Pryde, until he fucking killed her.

He killed her?  Ok.. I never hated the guy, merely his work.
UNTIL NOW.

FUCKITYFUCKITYFUCK.

[Margalis]

Comic book characters don't die. Come on! Were you guys born yesterday?

[Samwise]

Joss Whedon kills everyone.  It's how you can tell he's a Serious Writer.

[Jain Zar]

Joss Whedon kills everyone.  It's how you can tell he's a Serious Writer.

Yet he brought Colossus one of the more boring X Men back to life, seemingly so he could pork Kitty.

Yeah.

[Samwise]

Should have been more specific: he kills all the interesting characters.  (They're the most difficult to write, you know.)

[eldaec]

Hmm, I'm more and more convinced that this whole thing jumped the shark with the season 3 boxing episode.

You have a TV show about spaceships, killer robots, pew pew, and even mysterious destinies and gods, but you choose to run an episode about a bunch of drunks running an officially sanctioned fight club.

There is no way back from that shit.

The 22 episode thing is no excuse.

They could easily just break up plot epsiodes with a bunch of standalone pew pew episodes. It would seem clunky and forced, but would be better than this nonsense.


Oh, and btw, putting every officer we ever heard of on the Demitrius was a retarded decision, it makes the ship invulnerable. And drained any sense of drama out of the mutiny scene.

[Tale]

The whole Buffy universe was trash TV, the equivalent of shitty pulp fantasy novels. Not worth my time.

Firefly was genius.

None of this has anything to do with Battlestar Galactica, which is unlike either of the above.

[Ookii]

[Raguel]

haha love the cylon pic

I asked this on another forum but didn't really get a straight answer: didn't last week's episode verify Starbuck's virtual Leoben (that is, the one that was in her head when she was "died") was an actual Leoben?

[Midama]

 Gaeta seems a fairly strong candidate for the last Cylon, but i want to throw out the Ellen Tigh possibility, since i haven't seen it yet. Given that the producers have said there were clues...Ellen has had quite a few thrown out with no answer, though it of course may mean nothing.
 First being the original miniseries, you see Tigh burning a hole through her picture, though what we see is an orange/red hole where her right eye was, and they've indicated that the 'Cylon Eye' is more important than people think.
 Next her mystery appearance, nobody remembers saving her or treating her medically, it was just left hanging. I dunno how a resurrection ship would play into that.
 Then her Cylon test by Baltar, again no answer other than a very suspicious answer by Baltar and a cut away hiding the real result. Though you'd think Baltar would have more interaction with her if she really was one and he knew.
 The way she urges Tigh into taking power, allot like Head Six...
 Finally, there have been no children between her and Tigh that we know of and no explanation, and we know Cylons cannot reproduce by themselves.
 Anyway, anxious to find out but i wish they'd move faster this season, it feels like its really dragging.

~Edit for clarity

[HaemishM]

Ellen Tigh as the last Cylon would be a copout of major proportions... kind of like the final 4 they picked out as is. Gaeta, much as I would hate for it to happen, would be a much better choice.

[Oban]

The Battlestar Galactica itself is the final cylon.

[Riggswolfe]

I mostly agree, but wasn't Buffy popular for awhile? Not that Buffy being popular means Joss was known, just more of an idle question.

 Buffy never got higher than 118 in the season ratings according to the listings on Wikipedia and even at it's peak it was tied to be the #2 show on the WB.  It wasn't ever that big a show.

Yes, because ratings have a ton to do with the quality of a show. Just look at American Idol!

[Riggswolfe]

The Battlestar Galactica itself is the final cylon.

A Transformer/Cylon!

[Rishathra]

I honestly don't care who the final Cylon is.  That whole who is/isn't a Cylon thing got old two seasons ago.  I still enjoy this show, but this is the mystery I'm least interested in discovering the truth of.

[Riggswolfe]

I honestly don't care who the final Cylon is.  That whole who is/isn't a Cylon thing got old two seasons ago.  I still enjoy this show, but this is the mystery I'm least interested in discovering the truth of.

My thing is the only characters I'm truly interested in are the Cylons.

[Rishathra]

Yeah, me too.  It's just that this whole "Oooooooh, who could it be?" thing has worn thin.  This is the final season.  The time for plot gimmicks and forced drama is over.

[Triforcer]

Another terrible episode.  Its like they are treading water until we get to the final 2 or 3. 

[Margalis]

The focus on big reveals reminds me of Nip/Tuck, which was tanked by the stupid Carver mystery and never recovered.

The problem I have with this season is that there are a lot of really interesting things going on, but they are all in the background. Cyclon civil war being one, the 4 revealed Cylons coping being another. Too much forced drama where there is real drama to be explored.

[Tale]

I thought that was an awesome episode.

I was coming here to say that they have a history of drifting for a while, then coming up with an episode like the one on original Caprica where a Six and an Eight rebelled for the first time, or the humans leaving New Caprica episode.

Significant things this episode did:
* Ended the Demetrius arc
* Confirmed I am wrong, the Galactica cylons are cylons - Anders was a miracle to the dying Eight
* Added a (crippled) cylon base ship or its remaining inhabitants to the human fleet
* Turned Laura Roslyn from a Lords of Kobol devotee to a One God agnostic, and looped Adama into that
* Killed off the sexbomb version of Six, except in Baltar's head
* Probably set Gaeta up for death or a miracle/revelation (fifth missing cylon theory?).
* Moved the main plot forward: Humans are now to look for the final five, who know where Earth is, and know Deanna/3 knows how to find them
* Deanna/3/Lucy Lawless is coming back

It was immense. Also Mary McDonnell - who I'm a fan of since Dances With Wolves (fuck you if you don't like that movie) - had a particularly good episode for her acting talents.

Downside: shitty close-ups of Earth 2008 qwerty keyboards on the Demetrius

[Merusk]

I mostly agree, but wasn't Buffy popular for awhile? Not that Buffy being popular means Joss was known, just more of an idle question.

 Buffy never got higher than 118 in the season ratings according to the listings on Wikipedia and even at it's peak it was tied to be the #2 show on the WB.  It wasn't ever that big a show.

Yes, because ratings have a ton to do with the quality of a show. Just look at American Idol!

 

Darniaq wasn't questioning the quality of the show, but it's popularity. 

[Raguel]

Glad to see Nana Visitor. I was wondering what happened to the other Bajoran 

Anyway, skinjobs suxors but it's a small price to pay for the return of nekkid blonde Xena. 

[Abagadro]

I thought that was an awesome episode.

I agree. Good payoff to the ponderous build up of the last two eps.

[Triforcer]

No one else found it completely ridiculous that Roslyn and apparently Adama are one or two episodes away from being Baltar disciples?  Its a completely retarded plot swing.

[Tebonas]

People near death often cope by finding religion, and I am not yet sure Adama is roped in.

This was an excellent episode and the basestar stuff was pretty powerful.

[Abagadro]

Roslyn has always blown with the wind depending upon whatever dreams or visions she is having. Now compounded by being near death I can see her at a minimum questioning the conventional wisdom and being open to other things, i.e. covering her ontological bases.  I think Adama is just trying to make it easier for her. He's never been particularly religious and isn't now.

[HaemishM]

I actually think this episode was the best of the season, hands down. Unfortunately, I haven't thought the season was all that good to begin with, but this was an improvement.

The episode had a few too many forced drama moments, such as the timer for the Demetrius to jump out, the Six getting capped because she killed a human, Gaeta getting shot. We don't need the forced drama, the situations are dramatic enough as it is without feeling rushed. I really wanted Anders to touch the Cylon interface, just to see what would happen and finally get something moving on this final 5 storyline.

The Roslin/Nana Visitor moments were just damn fine writing and even better acting. I'm not sure about the switch to Baltar's religion, but I haven't gone with that story all season. I keep watching the show because of the narrative trainwreck it's become, but I also keep hoping they will pull something out worthwhile out of it. This episode was an ok start.

[Fordel]

I find myself watching this season just for the Toaster Cylons reactions to things. Just seeing where they fall under all hierarchy and who/what they empathize with when they are 'free' from the inhibitor chip or whatever it was.


A Pair of episodes ago or so, when the Preacher skin job was negotiating with the renegade six's and the like, after they were done talking the six orders the Toaster to escort the Preacher to his shuttle and the Toaster just walks up a bit, stops, and stares at the Six doing nothing... then after a short pause the Six calmly says 'Please' and the Toaster goes about the task.


"It's a good thing you remembered the magic word."



Everything else though? Meh. I started watching the show because I love the actual Battlestar's and the space combat, and I was extremely pleased when the Pegasus showed up. The show actually had "plausible" space combat and tactics for awhile. Even the ground combat was for the most part, 'real' and any time a Toaster was fighting it was pure win.

All those kinds of scenes must be expensive to make or something, because we keep getting fewer and fewer of them and when we do get them, they don't make sense anymore, much closer to Hollywood Action Movie 'Drama' fighting then any kind of fighting that might actually work. Like the last battle with the Pegasus? That pissed me off so much (that whole story arc/direction did really), after what, 4 months of planning and training the best we can get is a last minute plan to suicide a entire fucking Battlestar?

 

[Tebonas]

You mean the giant brass balls maneuver of actually jumping a battlestar into the atmosphere of a planet and jumping out from freefall?

I still was high on that plan hours afterwards.