Heroes (SPOILERS)

[WayAbvPar]

Kring's apparently come clean and admitted that they made several mis-steps in how they've handled the season thus far.  The twins, Peter, Hiro, West, etc.  Pretty much what everyone's been saying anyway.  Supposedly, they've taken all of it to heart and moved to correct it.  Just in time for the strike, alas.  Anyway, link:  http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html

Nice to see that he realizes this season has been dragging. This concerns me though-

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3.

Christ I hope that doesn't mean Garriott will be involved!

They should just have the car they're all in careen off a cliff and explode.  Do it as next weeks intro.  I'll cheer very loudly.  If they want, Jar Jar Binks can be in the back seat with Alejandro.

Sneak across the picket line and pitch that please.

[MrHat]

Peter and Sylar(?!?).

Heh.  Maybe Sylar can do exactly what Peter does, but he's so batshit insane that he's convinced himself he hears a 'ticking' and must open brains.

[Mazakiel]

Hints dropped in various places point to Mama Petrilli's power being behind the dream visions Peter had in the first season.  As to his memory coming back, I chalk that up to Charlie's power somehow being triggered, though whatever happens in next week's episode should show just what caused the memory loss.  And as to Caitlin being left in the future like that...it almost seems a bit of a last minute decision to have her go out that way just to be rid of one of the romances, but who knows.  It's certainly a pretty harsh way to literally get written out of things. 

As to powers, they've still yet to explain what causes what.  Matt having his Dad's power and Peter/Nathan/Micah having differing powers could be because Matt's mom had no powers, but the rest of the children of powered people we've seen came from a set of parents where both had powers.  Or it could be that aspects of personality influence what powers develop, and that Matt's alot more like his dad than he'd want to admit.  Or it's just a random thing that worked in Matt's favor.  It'd be nice to understand the powers a bit more in general, which was supposed to be an answer we'd have by the end of the first season.  Oh well.  But, as hinted at last season, and driven home alot this season, most powers are not unique, and share common characteristics.  Precogs tend to paint to show their visions, etc.

Or perhaps that's part of the reason the Company's been tracking powers, to catalogue powers and try to figure out how to get certain power types to manifest.  Institute some sort of breeding program.  Who knows.  Lots of questions, few answers so far this season. 

[HaemishM]

Hints dropped in various places point to Mama Petrilli's power being behind the dream visions Peter had in the first season.  As to his memory coming back, I chalk that up to Charlie's power somehow being triggered, though whatever happens in next week's episode should show just what caused the memory loss. 

I'm pretty sure the little snippet they showed of the Haitan shooting Peter outside the cargo container will tell you all you need to know about Peter's memory loss.

[Mazakiel]

Huh.  I missed that part.  Time to rewatch the trailer. 

[MrHat]

Huh.  I missed that part.  Time to rewatch the trailer. 

Where do you watch the trailer for next week?  I keep missing it.

[Mazakiel]

Youtube always has both the American and Canadian previews up pretty quickly, though there was apparently no Canadian preview this week.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X7eAvOnAwcA

[Venkman]

Mom Petrelli seems to be able to block mind reading.

She also seemed to somehow restore Peter's memories.

I interpreted that as her setting up her mind to think something she knew Peter could read. Like when she blocked Parkman. She didn't really "block" him per se as much as pull an HRG-clear-my-mind thing, and then yelled at him :)

Other good stuff in the thread. My DVR keeps cutting off the previews. Hitting YouTube now.

[Ookii]

This occurred to me randomly last night:

If Adam still looks the same years and years later, will Claire remain jailbait for the rest of her life?

[Nerf]

Which brings up an important question -- did they just wake up one morning and all of a sudden they have powers?
Or was it some enviromental thing, radiation spikes from the red sun of krypton hitting Earth?

Maybe it was answered last season, I missed quite a bit of it traveling, but thats the one thing that doesn't make any fucking sense to me, even moreso with them "discovering" all these new heroes.

[Chenghiz]

Which brings up an important question -- did they just wake up one morning and all of a sudden they have powers?
Or was it some enviromental thing, radiation spikes from the red sun of krypton hitting Earth?

Maybe it was answered last season, I missed quite a bit of it traveling, but thats the one thing that doesn't make any fucking sense to me, even moreso with them "discovering" all these new heroes.

No, they really haven't said anything about it.

[Samwise]

It's strongly implied that the solar eclipse has something to do with it.  There was an eclipse at the beginning of the first season right before a whole bunch of the heroes' powers started manifesting for the first time, and one in feudal Japan right before Kensei's power started manifesting.  Also, the show's logo is a solar eclipse.

[Nerf]

So, what you're saying then, is that it obviously has somthing to do with the menstrual cycle of migrating swallows.  Gotcha.

[Samwise]

Kristen Bell makes a really good bad guy.

[Ookii]

<- Fanboi

[Riggswolfe]

Last night's episode was pretty darn good marred only by goo eye girl and her loser brother.

I do wonder what "Adam" is  up to. He really did help heal Nathan but so far we don't know what else he has been up to. We only have Bob saying he did bad things and I honestly don't trust Bob.

[Rasix]

Heh, in a trust contest between Adam and Bob, I'm not sure who wins.

Kristen Bell is pure awesome. Veronica Mars was an awesome show.  If you like her, you'd love the show. Shame it never got the ratings necessary to survive on the CW.    The last season, IMO, suffered from consistency issues with quality (LOGAN IS EMO); but I'm sure it's hard to always put the best foot forward with a noose around your neck.

And yah, this episode was good stuff for the most part.  NO CLAIRE/WEST. YAY.  Hispanic wonder death twins.. boooo.

[kaid]

I just hope they either kill off split personality chick soon or give her a big glass of re-sane'o and make her not such a freaking twit. Hell I would prefer her to just be jessica all the time I can respect wanton destruction and amorality.

[Rasix]

So, at the end, did they just let her out of the facility even though she has a completely incurable strain of the anti-hero virus that Mohinder has been screaming could cross over to humans?  Have these people ever heard of quarantine?

Why wouldn't you keep vials of Adam blood around in case of emergency? 

Ugg, sci-fi shows.  It's best to just not ask questions.

[tazelbain]

I like Nikki just fine.  It was just that many shows in the first season were too focused on her.

[Reg]

I'm starting to suspect that Mama Petrelli has some kind of mind control power. The way she talked to Nathan's wife looked like she was using some kind of whammy on her anyway.  And it would explain how she talked Nathan into going along with that crazy "Let's all blow up New York" idea too.

[Riggswolfe]

I'm starting to suspect that Mama Petrelli has some kind of mind control power. The way she talked to Nathan's wife looked like she was using some kind of whammy on her anyway.  And it would explain how she talked Nathan into going along with that crazy "Let's all blow up New York" idea too.

I had the same thought to be honest. It would explain alot and it also appears to be mostly a power of suggestion and limited to touch.

[Tairnyn]

It had some good plot lines, but I feel like the writing is starting to feel rushed and frayed around the edges. I liked the Petrelli plot line providing some interesting guilt-based manipulation of Peter. I also like how they are constantly keeping the Company on the line of good/evil without committing to either.

However, I was a little put off by some of the liberties they took:

Adam (and Peter, as well) are supposed to be horribly dangerous yet they are being kept in what could be considered a minimum security cell block. At very least I would have like to see what Adam and Peter had to go through to escape that made it so difficult. Putting Peter, who was there by his own accord, next to Adam, who was being held because he could maliciously destroy the world, seemed a little far-fetched.

I can go with Mama Petrelli having some power that would help Peter regain some of his memories, but having to merely "think of something important" to fix the rest when he was with Adam seemed a little bit odd. Perhaps Adam had a power that let him help the process along, as well.

The South American Wonder Twins was like the exact same story we've seen ad infinitum this season already. At least throw the audience something interesting.

The Nikki storyline seemed rushed and forced. He seemed to have almost no trouble finding her on the other side of the country in a random club and the end result was really the same: he's dead, she's guilty over it. It seemed like more of an excuse for Nikki to meet Uhura than anything else.

[Riggswolfe]

I can go with Mama Petrelli having some power that would help Peter regain some of his memories, but having to merely "think of something important" to fix the rest when he was with Adam seemed a little bit odd. Perhaps Adam had a power that let him help the process along, as well.

I liked Adam's explanation that since Peter could heal, his memory would fix itself as his brain rewired itself.

[Tairnyn]

I liked Adam's explanation that since Peter could heal, his memory would fix itself as his brain rewired itself.

I wasn't bothered by the explanation as much as the invocation of it. While it's true that the Haitian's power summed up to wholesale brain damage, which would fall under the category of healable injuries, I didn't quite get how Adam could invoke the "fight or flight" response that unleashed Peter's powers by simply asking him to do it.

[Samwise]

Maybe the Haitian didn't "go deep", whatever that means.

[Rishathra]

I've never watched ten seconds worth of Veronica Mars, but from what I've seen here, Kristen Bell could shock me repeatedly, and I wouldn't have to pretend to like it.

Wow, there really is no point to the Wonder Twins, is there?  Everyone else had at least some little backstory filled in that helped the overall picture.  With these two, the horrible cycle of her losing control, killing people, and him helping her to regain control begins with the completely unforeseen revelation that she lost control, killed people, and he helped her to regain control.  In the end, I don't mind them so much, if only because I find her hot as fuck.

[Ookii]

Maybe it's like a file system on a hard drive and he just removes the links to where the memories reside, he doesn't actually remove them from the brain entirely.

[MrHat]

Adam (and Peter, as well) are supposed to be horribly dangerous yet they are being kept in what could be considered a minimum security cell block. At very least I would have like to see what Adam and Peter had to go through to escape that made it so difficult. Putting Peter, who was there by his own accord, next to Adam, who was being held because he could maliciously destroy the world, seemed a little far-fetched.

Or maybe Adam put himself there.  Still controlling the company and all that.

[Riggswolfe]

I liked Adam's explanation that since Peter could heal, his memory would fix itself as his brain rewired itself.

I wasn't bothered by the explanation as much as the invocation of it. While it's true that the Haitian's power summed up to wholesale brain damage, which would fall under the category of healable injuries, I didn't quite get how Adam could invoke the "fight or flight" response that unleashed Peter's powers by simply asking him to do it.

He didn't. He told him to focus on something he cared about and Peter focused on Nathan.

[Threash]

The writer has said the eclipses were nothing more than "bookends" for the first season and didnt signify anything special.  If mama Petrelli is supposed to have some sort of suggestion power it really sucks because neither of her sons ever do what she wants them too.

[MrHat]

I think she does have the persuasion voice like Eden had.

She hardly uses it though because of all the allusions to the horrible mistakes of the past.  IMO she made her husband kill himself.

[HaemishM]

Kristen Bell's character annoys the shit out of me. I want someone to put a bullet in her, or drown her or something. Not as much as I want a meteor to strike the Latino Wonder Twins, but still, she bugs me. D.L.'s death seemed supremely rushed, because if he could phase when the dude tried to punch him, you'd think he'd know enough to phase until he got away from the guy. I'm still not convinced of Adam's great evil, or even Bob's magnanimous nature. The Claire/HRG confrotation that's building up looks good.

But it was really good to see Peter cutting loose a bit.

[Evil Elvis]

Everything they do with Nikki sucks.  I can't believe they gave her a third personality.  Someone axe this bitch.

And what the fuck were they doing with DL?!  They brought him back from a gunshot wound by a major character just to kill him 20 minutes later by a gunshot wound from some nobody?  Rreally?  The guy who can become incorporeal was shot a total of THREE FUCKING TIMES.  Way to go, ace.  You're doing it wrong.  They could have at least had Nikki off him or something interesting.

Oh, new drinking game: take a sip every time Alehandro yells 'Ma-Ja'.  Maybe alcohol can dull the pain from these two useless sacks of shit.

[Rasix]

Kristen Bell's character annoys the shit out of me. I want someone to put a bullet in her, or drown her or something. Not as much as I want a meteor to strike the Latino Wonder Twins, but still, she bugs me. D.L.'s death seemed supremely rushed, because if he could phase when the dude tried to punch him, you'd think he'd know enough to phase until he got away from the guy. I'm still not convinced of Adam's great evil, or even Bob's magnanimous nature. The Claire/HRG confrotation that's building up looks good.

But it was really good to see Peter cutting loose a bit.

 

I don't remember Peter cutting loose much except managing to wiggle out of his shirt again.  Flew once, phased. 

Kristen Bell is awesome. And how can you not love a home schooled, undersexed, sadistic, shut-in psychopath? Take your meds.