Heroes (SPOILERS)

[tazelbain]

I thought it was all the kid's power.

It seems Heroes uses "time as stream" metaphor. So Hiro changes the stream as he jumps down stream.  Up stream Ando, Hiro's friend, is wanting for changes.  At first the changes are too small to notice.  As Hiro does more important things, the larger the changes become.  Ando will notice changes because he's looking for it and knows Hiro is doing it.  But stream time travel makes more sense for a time manipulation superhero than Star Trekian quantum time.  Because hero is going to want to change things and create paradoxes left and right.

Of course this is all uber-nerd speculation, they haven't shown us enough about time travel to really know. 

[MrHat]

I still don't understand.

[Merusk]

Hiro mentioned he was risking "another" divergance by going back to tell Peter the "STCSTW" message.  It seems this will be our first, and we'll see exactly what the fallout is later.     One possibility is that they use the "Branch" theory, and each decision starts 2 (or more) forks.  Hiro jumped back, took another fork, but the Ando we know is stuck on one where we'll never see him again - as he is now. (He'd be in Vegas or Japan or whatever, depending on when Hiro jumped.)  Tho that'd be stupid.

[Morfiend]

Tried to post last night, but I couldnt for some reason.

Yes, I found this episode much much much more satisfying. They didnt spread the focus super thin over all the characters, and so they where able to get much more in depth with a few, and it felt like a more complete show. I am very glad we didnt have to hear Nikki whine about here son *again*, but I did miss Peter.

As for Mohinder, that research he found talked about the Kid having powers over dreams, so Im pretty sure its the kid and not him having powers.

[tazelbain]

Hiro mentioned he was risking "another" divergance by going back to tell Peter the "STCSTW" message.  It seems this will be our first, and we'll see exactly what the fallout is later.     One possibility is that they use the "Branch" theory, and each decision starts 2 (or more) forks.  Hiro jumped back, took another fork, but the Ando we know is stuck on one where we'll never see him again - as he is now. (He'd be in Vegas or Japan or whatever, depending on when Hiro jumped.)  Tho that'd be stupid.

If it was branch, then the Hiro's picture wouldn't be in Ando's current time.

MrHat: The key point is that Hiro's changes caused by jumping back may not have happened instanciously.  Although we see his picture, all the effects Hiro's changes aren't evident until propigates down stream. His picture is the first thing we see because he probably popped-in the middle of her party. 

[stray]

Finally watched the last episode...

I like the new gray direction for G-Man. 

Then again, Cancer Man started out as a fairly benign, albeit mysterious, character in the X-Files. Look where that went.

[Mazakiel]

The more and more I watch, the more and more convinced I become that the person everyone's calling Sylar is actually a messed up Peter from the future.  He seemed to be watching Hiro pretty carefully, for one thing, and the broken watch also has to mean something, in my mind.  Maybe in an original timeline, there was a Sylar killing people, and future Peter's just taken his place/identity.  He seems awfully well informed, either way.

[stray]

I'm pretty disappointed that that cute little redhead went out like that though. She would have been a good addition to the show.

[tazelbain]

She's too cute to die, Hiro saves her.

[Rasix]

I'm pretty disappointed that that cute little redhead went out like that though. She would have been a good addition to the show.

Did your TIVO cut out? 

Well, she still might die.

[stray]

Nah, it didn't cut out. I just don't think Hiro's that powerful. Something else will happen.

They've gone too far to bring her back imo. They showed blood oozing down her head. She's dead for good. It's a TV rule or something..

[Rasix]

Nah, it didn't cut out. I just don't think Hiro's that powerful. Something else will happen.

They've gone too far to bring her back imo. They showed blood oozing down her head. She's dead for good. It's a TV rule or something..

Umm, went back in time? Might prevent it from happening? 

There's no argument she's dead.  He's going to attempt to change the timeline.   

I'm really not sure where you're going with this line of argument.  Sure, he might chicken out or realize what he's doing could have serious reprocussions, but he is THAT powerful.  He can stop it from happening by making sure it doesn't get to happen.   But umm.. stopping Sylar might be a tad difficult.

[HaemishM]

My Tivo DID cut out before the last minute or two of Heroes. I just today saw the last minute where it shows Hiro in the picture with cute waitress chick.

He looks decidedly unhappy, as if he knows he can't prevent what's going to happen.

As for Syler being future Peter, I'm not so sure about that. I could see how it COULD happen, but not according to the character.

[tazelbain]

Or he's surprised he teleported into the middle of her birthday party.

[stray]

Umm, went back in time? Might prevent it from happening?

picture....birthday party

Ah shit. I guess I didn't see the end, after all.

[sigil]

Thanks today show 

They spilled the beans about tonight's show

_{Peter buys the farm tonight}

[stray]

I approve of that last episode. 


Hiro's going to be on Conan tonight as well.

[Merusk]

So this isn't going on a 2 month hiatus like all the other shows, is it?

I looked up and saw it was already 9:45.  So very few shows have ever caught me like tihs, I was pissed when I realized I only had 15 more mins for this week.

[tazelbain]

Really not happy with the fight between Sylar and Peter.  Very weak, very weak.

[stray]

I liked it. Peter had no idea wtf he was doing, but....He was willing to sacrifice himself to protect the girl. That says enough.

[MuffinMan]

My DVR cut out right when Hiro popped up at the end and started talking. Did anything important happen?

Show is going on a hiatus until February I think, Merusk.

[stray]

Nothing special. He came back 6 months earlier and told the waitress he was there to save her life. She looked at him funny.

The very last scene with Niki was the cliffhanger.

[Kryptec]

No, looks like one more episode before hiatus - next week's is Six Months Ago which appears to be the origin stories for most of the characters. From the preview it looks like we'll meet Sylar as well as find out that Niki's evil twin apparently is her dead evil twin sister Jessica. Which is just getting freaky.

Tonight's episode was pretty damn good. We find out how Sylar slices off the tops of heads which is not quite what I expected. Claire has a mean right hook. Micah knows all about Jessica but hasn't bothered to tell Niki about it. DL apparently has a death wish if he's willing to go back and see Jessica/Niki. And Ando's superpower is that he can seemingly drink endless amounts of coffee.

Some interesting news around lately. Apparently Chistopher Eccleston (the last Doctor Who) will be getting a recurring role. And if you want to catch up, SciFi is going to be running a Heroes marathon on the 29th.

[SnakeCharmer]

My DVR cut out right when Hiro popped up at the end and started talking. Did anything important happen?

Show is going on a hiatus until February I think, Merusk.

According to TVguide.com, we have to more episodes.  After that it (hopefully not) goes into the midseason hiatus.  Which sucks.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/heroes/281246

edit: Krytec beat me to it :P

[MuffinMan]

Ah ok, I assumed that it was the last episode before hiatus since it was the end of a story-arc and whatnot. I'm pissed about it too since I leave for Navy recruit training in February.

[Hutch]

So this isn't going on a 2 month hiatus like all the other shows, is it?

I looked up and saw it was already 9:45.  So very few shows have ever caught me like tihs, I was pissed when I realized I only had 15 more mins for this week.

Ohhh I hate to make a "me too!" post. But, Me Too!!!
This exact thing happened to me. They got to a commercial, I looked up at the clock and was all "wtf 8:45 already" (central time zone).

I had a feeling that Clare was going to save Peter, via inadvertent power-absorption. It didn't click for me until they were all at the HS, but I did figure it out before it happened :)

I have no idea what's going on with Hiro. The time travel thing is going to keep me confused until they spell it out, probably.

[Tale]

Sylar's face was shown at least twice in darkness, so I decided to mess with the gamma ...





He has a ring of shaved or bald skin around his head, just under his cap line (about the same area he opens his victims' skulls). This ring can be seen when he is pushed to the ground to "sleep", as his cap moves. The other intriguing thing is Sylar's hand ... or rather, his Edward Scissorhand.

[Nevermore]

Some interesting news around lately. Apparently Chistopher Eccleston (the last Doctor Who) will be getting a recurring role. And if you want to catch up, SciFi is going to be running a Heroes marathon on the 29th.

I read somewhere that George Takei will also be making an appearance on the show at some point.

[Ironwood]

It would be nice, at some point, to find out what the hell this thread was all about.

[Tale]

Some interesting news around lately. Apparently Chistopher Eccleston (the last Doctor Who) will be getting a recurring role.

A good look at Christopher Eccleston in an unusual but wonderful music video.

[HaemishM]

I loved this episode. The fight scene worked pretty well, considering that Peter is not a trained fighter at all and probably wouldn't know how to fight a telekinetic in any case. I was thrilled that there will be more episodes.

IMDB is holding things close to the vest about Sylar's identity. He's not even listed in the cast credits, which is amazing. I think that means who the actor is will give something away. I'm betting on him being either Peter/Nathan's dad or long-lost thought dead brother.

[|3o3dha]

I loved this episode. The fight scene worked pretty well, considering that Peter is not a trained fighter at all and probably wouldn't know how to fight a telekinetic in any case. I was thrilled that there will be more episodes.

IMDB is holding things close to the vest about Sylar's identity. He's not even listed in the cast credits, which is amazing. I think that means who the actor is will give something away. I'm betting on him being either Peter/Nathan's dad or long-lost thought dead brother.

He didn't seem old ehough to be their dad. Nice episode,I missed the cop and Hiro tough.

[SnakeCharmer]

I'm betting on him being either Peter/Nathan's dad or long-lost thought dead brother.

Could that be the reason he didn't munch on Peter's brains?  Or simply for the fact he thought Peter was dead and that eating his brains wouldn't benefit him?

[HaemishM]

He was likely 1) too freaked out that someone "special" opposed him, since I don't think he's had a real fight over his victims before, 2) he somehow survived the fall but wasn't at his best which is why the Pheromone chick could hold him up so easily, or 3) realized he'd been made and wanted to get away before being caught.

[stray]

Maybe he didn't know that Peter even had superpowers? He was confused about the other cheerleader before, after all.

[edit]

Wow. Bad spelling.