Heroes (SPOILERS)

[HaemishM]

I thought the time travel parts of Babylon 5 worked out quite well.

[Kryptec]

Enjoying the show a great deal. Does give me the same sort of vibes as the first season of Lost though halfway through that season I started to come to the realization that they might not have any idea where they were going which was pretty much confirmed by the season finale. So far I feel that they've revealed enough information in Heroes that I feel that there is a real plot behind the whole thing and not strung together at the last minute. I agree that the pace could be a little tighter but it is rather a large cast which apparenytly is going to get even bigger over the next several weeks.

HRG is just a little too obvious as a bad guy and so far they've rarely telegraphed anything in this show. I think as others do that he's just keeping an eye on the people with emerging powers to see whether they are a threat or a boon. If he was evil, why not just lock up anyone with that he finds with powers and experiment on them at his leisure. Coupled with his behavior with the rapist quaterback where he could have just made sure he disappeared forever I haven't seen any actions on his part that could be described as out and out evil.

I'm beginning to think that the concentration on the whole Nikki plot might be sleight of hand. As is the Peter sub-plot. With the powers that Micah exhibited last night coupled with his obvious amazingly high intelligence I think he might be the key to the events for the first season. Quite interesting that he knows about mom's split personality. I think Haem is on to something with regards to the personality split. There doesn't seem to be any reason for it from the standpoint of the character or her superpower so possibly she created a second kick ass personality and submerged her knowledge of her emerging superpowers and invested them in Jessica.

Finally I was tremendously impressed with the way they had Nathan handle the whole blackmail scheme. Rather than having him simmer or rant about about being blackmailed he cooly turns it to his advantage and squeezes another $2 mill out of Lindermen. That scene right there convinced me that this show might not end up insulting my intelligence.

[Mr_PeaCH]

The latest Entertainment Weekly put Heroes on the cover (my wife's copy had Hiro, Cheerverine and Nathan; ymmv) and a big article inside to match.  It had a lot of spoilers actually (won't give them out here) and implied that this show, like so many others this season, is going on hiatus after just a few more episodes and then coming back in Feb. for the second half of the season.

The writers were very clear about one thing, however.  The do NOT want to become the show that makes it's viewers WAIT for the good stuff or leaves them with more questions than answers.  They have a plan, they swear it. (and they were pretty clearly aiming their digs at LOST just like you're saying)

Also, in addition to it replaying on SciFi Friday's at 7pm you can catch another rerun of show on Monday's at 7pm (previous week's show); just sayin'.

[HaemishM]

The latest Entertainment Weekly put Heroes on the cover (my wife's copy had Hiro, Cheerverine and Nathan; ymmv) and a big article inside to match.  It had a lot of spoilers actually (won't give them out here) and implied that this show, like so many others this season, is going on hiatus after just a few more episodes and then coming back in Feb. for the second half of the season.

FUCK COCK MONKEY SPANK BLEARGAFLICKLE!

[tazelbain]

Bah stupid half seasons.

[Morfiend]

Bah stupid half seasons.

If they use the time of to reedit some of the shit and pick up the pace of the show just a tad I will be very happy. I think if they dont start having a bit more happen per episode they are going to start losing viewers.

[Tebonas]

There should be a pill against Instant Gratification disorder.

[Quinton]

The writers were very clear about one thing, however.  The do NOT want to become the show that makes it's viewers WAIT for the good stuff or leaves them with more questions than answers.  They have a plan, they swear it. (and they were pretty clearly aiming their digs at LOST just like you're saying)

It sounded like (based on an online interview I saw a couple weeks back) that they were plotting things season by season.  They were aiming to tell a story that would have a resolution by the end of the season.  Then the next season, on to another season-long story/arc.  This seems a lot saner than having a grand five-year plan that risks never getting resolved depending on the whim of the network -- or claiming to have a grand plan and then winging it (as it sure feels like Lost is doing now). 

They (Kring I think) said that the format of their story lets them introduce new characters with various powers, show characters gaining/losing powers, and (I suspect) killing some off. 

Possible spoilers: It sounded like Sylar is the "main villain" for the first season and that everything is building towards Nov 8, which *isn't* in sync with the timeline out here in the real world.  I get the feeling that this season will end with (presumably) averting the explosion in NY and somehow defeating/capturing/something Sylar.

I do keep wondering if things are a little too straightforward at times, and hoping that some things that appear to maybe be very simplistic are less so.  I really can't tell if HRG is supposed to look like a bad guy, but actually just have an agenda and really care a lot for and be protective of his daughter after all -- or is the latter also just an act.  He keeps doing things that alternately make me think "whoah, evil bastard" and "hmm, maybe he's not quite *that* bad".

-Q

[MrHat]

I can't wait for the obligatory flashback episode of the Dr. helping Syler figure out/unlock his power.

I mean, how the fuck do you find out that you're superpower is that you gain other people's superpowers by eating their brains.

Do you try nibbling off an ear first?

[Furiously]

I can't wait for the obligatory flashback episode of the Dr. helping Syler figure out/unlock his power.

I mean, how the fuck do you find out that you're superpower is that you gain other people's superpowers by eating their brains.

Do you try nibbling off an ear first?

Syler is Mike Tyson?

[HaemishM]

He may not HAVE to eat their brains to gain their powers, that just may be the best way to RETAIN the powers permanently. He may have figured out he was a mimic, but was bothered by the temporary natuer of the power. It's not hard to find stories of cannibalism that claim that eating another person's grody bits gains you their power. Hell, watch Silence of the Lambs for that. And if he's bugfuck insane, munching on grey matter probably isn't that far of a step.

[Raph]

But travelling into the past hasn't gone well for any single piece of fiction to my memory.

Worked out pretty well in that short story where the guy fathered and gave birth to himself.  But yeah, other than that you're right.

"All You Zombies," Robert Heinlein.

[Merusk]

But travelling into the past hasn't gone well for any single piece of fiction to my memory.

Worked out pretty well in that short story where the guy fathered and gave birth to himself.  But yeah, other than that you're right.

"All You Zombies," Robert Heinlein.

Yeah that'd be the one.  Storylines I'm good with, titles not so much.

[Rasix]

Bah stupid half seasons.

If they use the time of to reedit some of the shit and pick up the pace of the show just a tad I will be very happy. I think if they dont start having a bit more happen per episode they are going to start losing viewers.

Yah, lets cut out all of that character development crap and just have 45 minutes worth of explosions every week!

I don't see them losing viewers due to lack of stuff happening.  Enough people seem to be hooked on Lost where you get less than 50% of the show happening in the present.

Edit: At least I hope they don't start losing viewers... gah, my faith in humanity is very small and you're just reinforcing that.

[stray]

I don't need 45 minutes of explosions, but I would be happy with.....One explosion an episode or two maybe? 

I like drama too, but it is a show about a superheroes, after all. Gotta have explosions.

One can make a serious comic book based drama with explosions (X-Men 2). A comic story that's heavily drama based without explosions can only entertain for so long (Unbreakable).

[Rasix]

I don't need 45 minutes of explosions, but I would be happy with.....One explosion an episode or two maybe? 

The last episode had an explosion.

[stray]

Ah, but I had to wait like 4 episodes for it! The last one was the nuke, I think (in a future sequence, no less).

[edit]

The last episode was pretty good though. I'm not really complaining. I just wouldn't want to see 3 seasons of Unbreakable if it came down to it.

[Signe]

I kind of like this show which makes me pretty sure it's already been marked for cancellatoin.

[NiX]

I don't need 45 minutes of explosions, but I would be happy with.....One explosion an episode or two maybe? 

The last episode had an explosion.

And a lot of people used their powers, which is always a bonus when watching heroes.

[Mi_Tes]

I kind of like this show which makes me pretty sure it's already been marked for cancellatoin.

Same here, this is the only one I make any effort to watch. 

[HaemishM]

The last episode was pretty good though. I'm not really complaining. I just wouldn't want to see 3 seasons of Unbreakable if it came down to it.

Unbreakable was the last good Shamalamadingdong filck there was, and it was pretty damn good. I could watch 3 episodes of it.

[Morfiend]

Bah stupid half seasons.

If they use the time of to reedit some of the shit and pick up the pace of the show just a tad I will be very happy. I think if they dont start having a bit more happen per episode they are going to start losing viewers.

Yah, lets cut out all of that character development crap and just have 45 minutes worth of explosions every week!

I don't see them losing viewers due to lack of stuff happening.  Enough people seem to be hooked on Lost where you get less than 50% of the show happening in the present.

Edit: At least I hope they don't start losing viewers... gah, my faith in humanity is very small and you're just reinforcing that.

I dont give a fuck about explosions. I WANT character development, but honestly, with all the time spent on the Nikki story line, has her character really progressed that much? She has probably progresses the least out of all the characters, given the amount of screen time she gets. When I say I want "some thing" to happen, I mean with the story. Yeah, Lost was pretty bad about this, but they did advance the story and they did give out answers, if only to bring in 20 more questions for every answer. My problem with Heroes is that we are several months in and really the story has bearly progresses past what should be the third episode. Dont get me wrong I really like the show, but when I say losing viewers, I mean Joe Six-Pack and his ADD family. Just take a minute tonight and when the show is over, see how you feel, you feel like hardly anything happened, and that the show was to short. Then take an episode of Lost or some thing elsw like "Friday Night Lights", after watching an episode, you really felt like you got a full shows worth.

[Furiously]

I can go to a buffet and eat all I want, or I can go buy a $30 Filet.

It's about satisfaction, not about feeling full.

[Morfiend]

I can go to a buffet and eat all I want, or I can go buy a $30 Filet.

It's about satisfaction, not about feeling full.

And I never feel satisfied at the end of an episode, thats what im trying to say, it feels like a lot of filler with not much real meat.

[sigil]

Was there enough meat tonight?

My wife called HRG three episodes ago.  The only thing that would have been more satisfying was for the computer program to finish executing it's function at the end of the episode.

So it seems like everybody and their freaking brother in this show has some sort of power.

[MrHat]

HRG?

[Luxor]

Horn-Rimmed Glasses, the cheerleaders father

[schild]

I liked calling him G-Man.

[sigil]

G-Man was better description.

[MrHat]

Everyone has a power.  That's cool I guess, I mean, if they didn't, it wouldn't be as fun of a show.  Also, evolution follows the whole 'when it rains it pours' school of thought?

I really hope Mohinder doesn't have a power.  I like him being the voice of reason/skeptism, and it would be a cop-out imo if they gave him a power.  Let the little boy be some little boy somewhere.

The whole time Hiro was talking about travelling back in time, all I could think was what we previously voiced here "please don't time travel, please don't time travel, please don't time travel".

All in all, a great episode.  Moved stuff forward, answered a few questions.  Also, instilled more fear of truckers.

[Tale]

Everyone has a power.  That's cool I guess, I mean, if they didn't, it wouldn't be as fun of a show.  Also, evolution follows the whole 'when it rains it pours' school of thought?

I think it only seems this way, because one of the rules of superpowers in this universe will be that people with powers are naturally drawn together. It's not co-incidence, it's like magnetism. But they don't realise this yet, and the viewer hasn't been told this yet.

[tazelbain]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

[HaemishM]

I like where they are taking the characters this episode. HRG-Man is just like the other characters, he's neither a bad guy or a good guy. He's just a guy with goals, one of which is protect his daughter from the crazy brain-eater man. To that end, he'll do what it takes, just like Nathan's acceptance of Linderman's bribe. They are flawed characters, and thus human and I dig that.

More Hiro with sword, plzkthx.

[MrHat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

Cool.

Also, I agree w/ Haem.  My favorite part of the show is them not really choosing the good or bad.

[SnakeCharmer]

Mohinder seeming to have a power (seeing real events as if he were there, but dreaming) is kind of a letdown.  However, I'm willing to speculate that the kid in the dreams had the power to contact Mohinder in his dreams.  Or something. 

Anyway.

A bit disappointed that GMan is neither good nor bad.  I was hoping that he was bad, honestly.  But I can't say I didn't see it coming.  He was/is at times creepy, and "normal". 

The transformation of Hiro has been interesting.  Looks like he took a big step to being "bad ass Hiro with a katana" in the diner after the waitress's brains were scooped out

Continuity Problem with Hiro poofing out of the diner:  Are the cops going to come back and say "where is your friend?"  Why would his friend even be there if he went back in time to save the waitress?  If he's in the pic on the wall, it could be assumed that he was successful in warning her, therefore she shouldn't be dead - and her body wouldnt be in the meatwagon.  See where I am going with this?  (edit) I'm willing to throw out just about all realities when dealing with people that have powers, but I'm not quite willing to accept complete obvious gaps in time/space continium continuity.  Yeah.  That.

My fluxcapacitor just exploded.