more Kali devblogs

[MahrinSkel]

Seems to depend on the inertia of your ship, light ships tend to stop a little short (1500m in my Helios).  And there does seem to be a little variance in it, a few hundred meters (but I think there always has been).

--Dave

[Comstar]

I think this might get me into game. Lo sec space here I would come.

[Simond]

Perfect warp to 0, or warp to 0 +/- variance?

I would look on the eve forums but i really dont feel like subjecting myself to crap I know will be in any warp to 0 thread.

Manual warps to zero, autopilot warps to 15km.

[Yegolev]

Seems to depend on the inertia of your ship, light ships tend to stop a little short (1500m in my Helios).  And there does seem to be a little variance in it, a few hundred meters (but I think there always has been).

--Dave

So pretty much like a bookmark, then.  I already land in different places in different ships, mostly apparent when I compared instas in an Atron to a Retriever, and I had the same results as you.  As long as the big ships arrive inside jump distance; if any ship is going to fall outside I reallly hope it's the shuttles and frigates.

[Morat20]

I'll take warp to zero. Saves me the effort of creating Instas to make hauling ore bearable. (Damn those industrials are SLOW). I'd still prefer if they added an autopilot skill, but given the choice between the current game and warp-to-zero -- count me firmly on the warp to zero side.

When they go to clean up the bookmarks, that ought to be interesting -- obviously they still need to allow things like "bookmark your jetcan or secure can". I suspect a big "wipe of all bookmarks within 18k of a permanent structure".

[Yegolev]

I was wondering about that, and I don't think they are going to just wipe them.  Not right away, and not entirely, I think.  Eliminating all BMs would eliminate safespots, which would eliminate some usefulness of the new scanning system if you just had to check the POI.  I guess it depends on what exactly they implement in Kali 1; if the belts go into hiding then deleting safespot BMs would have less impact.

One problem with eliminating bookmarks is that I use one to warp to the back-end of an ice belt.  Everybody and their brother has a can anchored at the front-end of the Aakari ice belt, but I have a BM on the back-end 200km away from the crowd.  Without that BM, I'll be mining ice with the plebes, unless I am able to warp to one of the roids on the back-end.  Still a bit bothersome but I guess I will just have to see how it works out in practice.

I will take warp-to-zero without complaint as well, since even with it being manual it is a huge improvement.  If I'm going to be traveling AFK then I don't really care too much that it's 15km on autopilot, since the assumption is that I'm flying in highsec.

[ajax34i]

I think they'll wipe all the bookmarks automatically when they push out whatever the patch is that has the warp to 0 feature.  I got the impression that the only reason CCP wanted the bookmarks gone was to eliminate lag; they don't really care about (or don't have a good fix for) the gatecamp vs. instajump game mechanic.  So, as soon as the whole warp-to-0 code is ready, they'll push it and also wipe all the lag-causing bookmarks immediately.

[Reg]

Well I hope they put a little more work into the wipe than that. I've got about 15 normal bookmarks of the stations I normally travel to that I'd miss if they were gone.

[Jayce]

If they're smart, after they release the warp to zero code,  they will put all bookmarks on a timer, and if you don't use them for one month (or a certain number of logins) then they get wiped.  They should communicate that too, and give you some way to manually flag a bookmark you don't want wiped  (in case it's halfway across the galaxy).

/armchair dev

[Raging Turtle]

Well I hope they put a little more work into the wipe than that. I've got about 15 normal bookmarks of the stations I normally travel to that I'd miss if they were gone.

Would you really miss them?  You could just warp to 0 at the station and dock instantly. 

[Reg]

Well sure I'd miss them. When I want to travel from Aunia to Nakugard I just want to open People and Place and set the autopilot from my Nakugard station bookmark. And when I get to Nakugard I don't want to have to scroll all over the overview window looking for my station either. I'm using bookmarks as CCP intended for them to be used and I hope that they don't take that functionality away.

[dwindlehop]

I would assume that any BM wiping would be done to deep space BMs only not BMs of actual objects or stations. But what do I know?

[Morat20]

I would assume that any BM wiping would be done to deep space BMs only not BMs of actual objects or stations. But what do I know?

The vast bulk of bookmarks are instas. Instas are within 16k of a large stationary object (station, belt, stargate). If I wanted to delete those, I'd probably set up something that deleted all objects within 20k of a stationary object UNLESS there was a corportation or personal can anchored within that radius.

Bookmarks for agents, etc -- not really a problem.

[Yegolev]

Only chumps use the overview.  It is somewhat less chumpy to right-click in space and select Station -> station_name -> Dock, which is how I envision the warp-to-zero function to work.  Well, like the Warp To... dropdown, that is.

You would want to delete BMs that are within 250km of a station or gate.

The thing I probably will miss, unless they duplicate/improve the functionality, is opening a separate folder-window of insta waypoints so I don't have to  use menus or worry about the P&P window resetting to the top of the list every time I jump.