Feminist glad Croc Hunter is dead

[Riggswolfe]

Cause he was exploiting animals and also a male. Or something like that

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14694683/

[stray]

Misleading thread title:

Greer said she found the Irwin phenomenon "embarrassing," although she understood the sadness at his death.

Germaine Greer is really much funnier than she sounds in that article though.

[Riggswolfe]

Echoing comments she made this week in Britain’s Guardian newspaper, Australian-born Greer likened Irwin to a lion tamer and said he had intruded on the habitats of animals and treated them with “massive insensitivity.”

Let's not leave this out.

Or this gem:

“It’s no surprise that he came to grief,” Greer told Nine Network television.

I mean come on. And there are the other gems in the article, like her little rant about Lord of the Rings.

Besides, here is an article straight from Australia which quotes much more of her thoughts on it:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20365256-5008780,00.html

"The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin, but probably not before a whole generation of kids in shorts seven sizes too small has learned to shout in the ears of animals with hearing 10 times more acute than theirs, determined to become millionaire animal-loving zoo owners in their turn," she wrote.

[Roac]

She sounds like a liberal version of Coulter.  I wish the press would stop giving these people RL trolls attention.

[UD_Delt]

“I am sick and tired of programs that tell me that the world is full of wicked, nasty, powerful, deadly creatures. Why does Australia set itself up to be made into this hellhole?” she said.

I didn't realize Australia was financing and producing the Crocodile Hunter series. Or are they responsible for not ridding their country of all those nasty, wicked creatures once and for all.

[WayAbvPar]

"The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin, but probably not before a whole generation of kids in shorts seven sizes too small has learned to shout in the ears of animals with hearing 10 times more acute than theirs, determined to become millionaire animal-loving zoo owners in their turn," she wrote.

That is a pretty good line. I give credit where it's due.

[stray]

She sounds like a liberal version of Coulter.  I wish the press would stop giving these people RL trolls attention.

She's been trolling for almost 50 years. If you were going to complain about press attention, you should have done it a long time ago.

She's no Coulter though. Big difference being that she's intentionally satirical.

[Righ]

On of the things I quite like about people like Greer is that she uses inflammatory remarks to taunt people who are opposed to feminism out of the woodwork. That's a good way to have bigots expose themselves. For example, rather than simply point out that Greer was bashing somebody unfairly, Riggs decided to state that a feminist was bashing somebody, and that it was probably because he was a man. That's gold dust.

Ann Coulter is not so useful. Opponents to hard-line Republican Party sentiment are to be expected and even lauded in the artificial theatre of partisan politics, and exposing them gets us nothing of value.

[Riggswolfe]

Get off your highhorse Righ and fuck yourself with it while you're at it.

There are basically two groups of feminists, those out to protect women's rights and equality  and those who believe men are so bad that the word woman should be spelled womyn or some such. She struck me as the later type. Have you done any research on her? I have, she's the classic Feminazi as some people would call it.

Jesus, you really need to get the fuck over yourself, this isn't the first post you've gone off half-cocked and talked shit without any god damn clue about me or whoever else you're speaking of.

[stray]

Hardly the classic "feminazi". She even recommends that women don't burn their bras!

Her main focus of attack has always been the "nuclear family", and the identity of females in it (it's not like she's attacking MEN themselves. She loves men. She was rock star groupie back in the day, for heaven's sake). And besides, the nuclear family is relatively recent invention to American social life. It's not the age old tradition of "family values" (here or abroad) many people think it is.

Jesus, you really need to get the fuck over yourself, this isn't the first post you've gone off half-cocked and talked shit without any god damn clue about me or whoever else you're speaking of.

Ahem.

[Riggswolfe]

I may have been wrong about her Stray from what you said. That still doesn't make me any less angry with Righ's high horse antics and bullshit.

[El Gallo]

Posting in page one of an epic thread thread destined to be identical to every thread with "feminist" in its title since the beginning of the internet.

[Morfiend]

Does every thread have to turn nasty today?

[Nebu]

Being an asshole is the new way to be cool.  Didn't you get the memo?

[Merusk]

Being an asshole is the new way to be cool.  Didn't you get the memo?

That explains all the press folks get for being asshats right after someone's died.  If you're a decent human, when someone who's not a shithead dies you give a grieving period before you even think of tearing them up and down.  This sort of shit is attention whoring on a tele-strider level.  Fuck these people.

[Roac]

She's been trolling for almost 50 years. If you were going to complain about press attention, you should have done it a long time ago.

I might have if you'd posted a link to an article by MSNBC about her here, almost 50 years ago.  Since you didn't this is the best we have.

She's no Coulter though. Big difference being that she's intentionally satirical.

Are you saying she's better than Coulter for trying to reap personal benefit via ridiculing a celebrity due to his death, or that she's better than Coulter for doing so intentionally?

[stray]

She's not ridiculing a celebrity's death. She's ridiculing, what she considers, the exploitative spectacle that was his career -- while he was alive (note, I don't really think that of him myself. Those are her words).

Again I quote:

Greer said she found the Irwin phenomenon "embarrassing," although she understood the sadness at his death.

“I’m not saying that’s not sad, I’m saying what might be over now is this kind of exploitation of animals,” Greer said.

Get mad at her for that, if anything. Not some imagined situation whereby she jumps for joy at the death of another human being.


[edit] Wait, why am I explaining this for you anyways? It's not like you care.

[Merusk]

Show me where she was saying this, this publicly, this loudly about him prior to his death and I'll conceed she's not some ghoulish attention whore.

Until then, she's a shitheel.

[Roac]

She's not ridiculing a celebrity's death. She's ridiculing, what she considers, the exploitative spectacle that was his career

Ok, she didn't ridicule his death.  Seems correct, although I'm uncertain why you'd mention it as I haven't.

So your vote is that she's riducling his career and that the timing she used was because of, owing to, attributed to, or able to be credited to, the timing of his death and that's why she's better than Coulter?  I think they're both jackals but maybe you're right.

[Lantyssa]

Meh, my bad.  Ignore.

[Riggswolfe]

I think the article made me mad because it did remind me of a Liberal Ann Coulter attempt to get attention. I mean, he's only been dead for a few days and she's already writing an article saying that nature struck back and he got what he deserved.

I'm not mad really because I care personally about the Croc Hunter, but I am mad because his wife and kids may hear about this and really, can she not wait a month or two? It's just...evil somehow to attack someone publically like this so soon after his death. I honestly don't care what she personally thinks about him or what she says to friends and coworkers. I do care what she prints for all the world, including his family, to see so soon after his death.

[Triforcer]

Her main focus of attack has always been the "nuclear family", and the identity of females in it (it's not like she's attacking MEN themselves. She loves men. She was rock star groupie back in the day, for heaven's sake). And besides, the nuclear family is relatively recent invention to American social life. It's not the age old tradition of "family values" (here or abroad) many people think it is.

This is the most retarded statement I've seen on the Internet in at least 7 minutes.  What organizational structure, pray tell, has most of history subscribed to?  If anything, in the past there was even MORE emphasis on family as the basic social structure as in many societies three or more generations of the same family lived under one roof.  Is this where you say up until Republicans were in power the basic social unit was polyamorous free-love drum circle compounds?

[Margalis]

This is the most retarded statement I've seen on the Internet in at least 7 minutes.  What organizational structure, pray tell, has most of history subscribed to? If anything, in the past there was even MORE emphasis on family as the basic social structure as in many societies three or more generations of the same family lived under one roof.

The extended family. Along with random jackass villagers. You answered your own question.

The term nuclear family indicates mom, dad and kids. That's why it was invented. "Extended family" is not the same thing.

Being against the nuclear family does not mean being against the family. The problem with the nuclear family is that there isn't a lot of wiggle-room - dad is the bread-winner and mom cooks dinner. Or maybe both parents work and kids are stuck with Mexican nanny. Or dad stays home and becomes butt of Mr. Mom jokes.

In an extended family things are a lot more flexible as aunt, grammy etc can watch the kids. And those old biddies are probably retired anyway and have nothing better to do.

[Jeff Kelly]

Does every thread have to turn nasty today?

We are approching full moon so everybody is getting a bit tense.

[Ironwood]

Let no man say I don't get into the spirit of things :

Fuck you all.

[Murgos]

Being against the nuclear family does not mean being against the family. The problem with the nuclear family is that there isn't a lot of wiggle-room - dad is the bread-winner and mom cooks dinner. Or maybe both parents work and kids are stuck with Mexican nanny. Or dad stays home and becomes butt of Mr. Mom jokes.

So she's a jack-ass with no appreciation for cause and effect?  Much better.

It's very nice to say that strong local support groups of extended families are better than mom, dad, kids when it comes to raising a family but there are HUGE factors that have made the situation the way it is.  Such as, sit here and starve with all your relatives or move portions of the family around the country where they can support themselves.

It's like saying it's nice to be happy and rich rather than just be happy.  Well, no shit.

[Telemediocrity]

You guys are being a bit snippy with each other today.  If you want, I can give you a convient Two Minutes' Hate to reinforce the board's social cohesion?  Some overly broad generalization about a heterogenous group, perhaps?  Oh wait, you guys are already beating me to the punch this time.

The Andrea Dworkins and Catherine MacKinnons on the radical fringe of feminism only constitute their own "wing" of feminism in three places; in their minds, in the gender studies departments at some universities, and (perhaps most importantly) in the minds of conservative pundits opposed to feminism who have everything to gain by promoting voices that the average feminist finds abhorrent.

When faced with someone who talks about how all sex is rape, unless of course it's between two appropriately militant womyn, there's no reason you have to call them a feminist just because they call themselves that.  And no, 'feminazi' doesn't count as drawing a distinction, as the people who really brought that portmanteau into popular circulation are the same ones who unfairly tarred perfectly normal women like Hillary Clinton with it, and buying into the term helps give their worldview currency in some small way.

I don't see why radical feminists have to be debated and denounced every time stuff like this comes around - you don't write a denouncement on a message board of the guy ranting at you about the plates in his head next to the supermarket, so why bother with these clowns?  They're both equally inconsequential in mainstream American life, but it aids the theoconservative/paleoconservative wing of the Republican party to pretend like radical 'feminists' are lurking in the wings at every turn.

True feminism is not controversial and not debateable except by far-right zealots (Hi, Mr. Pope!).

The only point of lumping in radical yahoos into the term 'feminist' (whether it's done explicitly or more often, implicitly by association) is to discredit the term.  They're feminists in the same way that Fred Phelps is a Democrat.

[Riggswolfe]

I don't see why radical feminists have to be debated and denounced every time stuff like this comes around - you don't write a denouncement on a message board of the guy ranting at you about the plates in his head next to the supermarket, so why bother with these clowns?  They're both equally inconsequential in mainstream American life, but it aids the theoconservative/paleoconservative wing of the Republican party to pretend like radical 'feminists' are lurking in the wings at every turn.

True feminism is not controversial and not debateable except by far-right zealots (Hi, Mr. Pope!).

The only point of lumping in radical yahoos into the term 'feminist' (whether it's done explicitly or more often, implicitly by association) is to discredit the term.  They're feminists in the same way that Fred Phelps is a Democrat.

Well, first off, radical anything tends to get debated and denounced. And if you think people don't write about the guy with plates in his head you've been on the wrong message boards. There is however, also a big difference. Usually, the dude with plates in his head isn't writing editorials or publishing books or otherwhise seeking publicity. Unless he's on that new Genesis talk radio station. (New in my area, I think it's been around for awhile in other parts of the country.)

And these radical yahoos are called feminists because that is what they call themselves much like Phelps (who is a despicable man in every sense of the word and scares me. Seriously.) calls himself a Christian and a Democrat. And honestly, much like anything else, it is usually the yahoos who get the publicity. So, like any other group (whether it be political or religious or both) Feminists sometimes have to deal with the image problem caused by their radical fringe element.

In any case, I'm already labeled a sexist bigot because of my reaction to Greer. *shrugs* I guess I could've put Feminist in quotes when referring to her but I assumed people knew that when referring to someone like her the word Feminist referred to the radical variety. Oh well, as Samuel L Jackson would say fuck it and fuck them.

[Sky]

Feminazis are just chauvinists without a cock.

Feminists...leave the toilet seat up and see how much equality they have.

[Telemediocrity]

I've never actually met a woman who cares what you do with the toilet seat.  Is that just an old saw, or is there really some truth to it?

[HaemishM]

Stop being retarded.

[Dren]

I've never actually met a woman who cares what you do with the toilet seat.  Is that just an old saw, or is there really some truth to it?

Grew up with a mom and 2 sisters.  They all yelled at me for it.

Had a roomate in college (female) that would yell about it too.

My wife would lecture me the few times I forgot and she ended up with a wet ass in the middle of the night.  And I mean, very few times since I was already in the habit of putting it back down from growing up in house full of women.

I'd guess 99% of the women I've known in my life care. 

My way of getting back?  I shut all the lids.  That way we all have to lift at least one lid to go.  They'll just get a cold seat rather than a wet one. 

[Nebu]

Install a urinal.  Problem solved.

[Lantyssa]

My way of getting back?  I shut all the lids.  That way we all have to lift at least one lid to go.  They'll just get a cold seat rather than a wet one. 

I care, too, but fortunately my roommates came pre-trained.  Both lids are fine with me, it's how I do it.  Definately way better than a wet ass, a string of profanities, and being shocked fully awake at four in the morning.

[Riggswolfe]

My way of getting back?  I shut all the lids.  That way we all have to lift at least one lid to go.  They'll just get a cold seat rather than a wet one. 

I care, too, but fortunately my roommates came pre-trained.  Both lids are fine with me, it's how I do it.  Definately way better than a wet ass, a string of profanities, and being shocked fully awake at four in the morning.

You know, the only issue I have with the seat up/down argument is why does it default to being the man's responsibility? He likes it up, she likes it down. Men have to check if the seat is up before pissing, why can't women be responsible for checking if it is down?

BTW, both lids down works fine until somebody gets violently ill in the middle of the night. Then you usually have a nasty mess to clean up.