Feminist glad Croc Hunter is dead

[tazelbain]

You can just imagine Irwin yelling: "Just look at these beauties! Crikey! With those barbs a stingray can kill a horse!" (Yes, Steve, but a stingray doesn't want to kill a horse. It eats crustaceans, for God's sake.)

You really got that strawman by the balls! You go, girl!

In 2004, Irwin was accused of illegally encroaching on the space of penguins, seals and humpback whales in Antarctica, where he was filming a documentary called Ice Breaker. An investigation by the Australian Environmental Department resulted in no action being taken, which is not surprising seeing that John Howard, the prime minister, made sure that Irwin was one of the guests invited to a "gala barbecue" for George Bush a few months before. Howard is now Irwin's chief mourner, which is only fair, seeing that Irwin announced that Howard is the greatest leader the world has ever seen.

This is the real thing that offends Greer.

[Signe]

He was a public figure and people will talk about him... good or bad, recluse or married with children.  I don't understand why that's a problem.  I can see disagreeing with what she said but not the fact that she said anything.  If Tom Cruise popped his clogs tomorrow I bet people would stand in line to talk about what a weirdo he was and not feel one bit guilty.  I'm sorry, I just don't get it. 

[Tale]

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. 

It's because I work in the Australian media and I've been using this pic all week. OK Signe, I'm just soft.

[Miasma]

Wow, that article is nowhere near what the cherry picked quotes tried to make it out to be.  And there was not the slightest trace of any "feminist agenda".  Perhaps there was an animal rights agenda, but most of that article was full of facts about wildlife, the events of that day and going over legitimate criticism of some of Irwin's antics like feeding the crocodile with his baby.  Excluding the cheap shot at the end that was a reasonably fair article.

I don't know what to say about the timing of the article, on the one hand I think you should have some respect for the dead.  But when you get to be well known enough to actually warrant press coverage of your death I think it's natural that the obituary also mention your failings.  You can't write up a quick bio of Nixon and simply omit Watergate.

I feel the need to cherry pick some quotes myself.

The world mourns.

World-famous wildlife warrior Steve Irwin has died a hero, doing the thing he loved

Irwin was the real Crocodile Dundee, a great Australian, an ambassador for wildlife, a global phenomenon, a superhuman generator of merchandise, books, interactive video-games and action figures.

Now all I need is an Australian who knows more about her to tell me if she was being sardonic...

[Signe]

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. 

It's because I work in the Australian media and I've been using this pic all week. OK Signe, I'm just soft.

That is a very sweet picture, definitely made to melt hearts. 

I'll take you off my "hard man" list and put you on my "old softie" list.  No worries, I even cry during really bad TV movies.   

[Lantyssa]

It's okay, Signe, I do too.  Don't tell anyone though, alright?

[Big Gulp]

Being an asshole is the new way to be cool.  Didn't you get the memo?

My time has come!  I am the coolest man alive!

[Big Gulp]

I must have the only husband in the world that doesn't pee standing up.

Are you sure you married a man?  Does he have any unexplainable scars?  Have you mercilessly destroyed his will to live to reduce him to such a sorry state?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[Big Gulp]

Using that same bleach soak some toilet paper in it and then fill in the TP/Bleach putty along your grout.  Wait an hour or two and remove, perfect white grout courtesy of USMC field day.

I see the Marine Corps just breeds traitors who give away their secrets.  Well, I'm hanging on to my Brasso secrets like grim death.

ETA:  Incidentally, I'm sorry about the multiple posts.  I just respond away to whichever post catches my fancy.

[Ironwood]

The problem I have with it is that she wrote it about the father of two small children on the day their daddy died. That's heartless.

Possibly.

However, it's also correct.  I'm not quite 'Speaker for the Dead' but I also believe in honesty after a death.  If people are hanging around my grave and saying what a wonderful chap I was, I'm coming out and punching someone.

I was REALLY annoyed at the other thread (and was glad to see it denned) because people came into a 'Death Sucks' thread to fuck about with a memorial.  Greer was not paid to do a memorial or an obituary, but write a column about the week's news.  Which she did.  Here's the REAL truth :

Life Goes On.

[tazelbain]

Wow, that article is nowhere near what the cherry picked quotes tried to make it out to be.  And there was not the slightest trace of any "feminist agenda".  Perhaps there was an animal rights agenda, but most of that article was full of facts about wildlife, the events of that day and going over legitimate criticism of some of Irwin's antics like feeding the crocodile with his baby.  Excluding the cheap shot at the end that was a reasonably fair article.

I don't know what to say about the timing of the article, on the one hand I think you should have some respect for the dead.  But when you get to be well known enough to actually warrant press coverage of your death I think it's natural that the obituary also mention your failings.  You can't write up a quick bio of Nixon and simply omit Watergate.

I feel the need to cherry pick some quotes myself.

The world mourns.

World-famous wildlife warrior Steve Irwin has died a hero, doing the thing he loved

Irwin was the real Crocodile Dundee, a great Australian, an ambassador for wildlife, a global phenomenon, a superhuman generator of merchandise, books, interactive video-games and action figures.

Now all I need is an Australian who knows more about her to tell me if she was being sardonic...

Those aren't positive quotes.  The first 2 are describing what other people think. Just trying to say some nice things to take the edge off the unpleasant things she is about to say.  The last seems disdainful,  "Crocodile Dundee"? lumping him in with an Australian stereotype from the eighties.   Hardly Irwin's fault that other people stereotype him.  His fault for not trying to hide it like Nicole Kidman and Mel Gibson.  "a superhuman generator of merchandise, books, interactive video-games and action figures"? hardly positive coming from a liberal especially when implied that it comes from the Dundee Stereotype.

[Ironwood]

 

[RhyssaFireheart]

I must have the only husband in the world that doesn't pee standing up.

Are you sure you married a man?  Does he have any unexplainable scars?  Have you mercilessly destroyed his will to live to reduce him to such a sorry state?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Yes, I'm sure I married a man (no kids though, just one failed pregnancy as proof  ). He just prefers to sit down, I guess.  Nothing wrong with that, and I certainly don't miss having to worry about whether the seat is up or down or if his aim was off and he missed the bowl. 

[Righ]

Is he Swiss?

[Tale]

You're not doing your husband any favours by telling stuff like that about him to other men.

[Llava]

I'm thinking Prince Albert is involved.

[Telemediocrity]

The problem I have with it is that she wrote it about the father of two small children on the day their daddy died. That's heartless.

I agree, but this rule is never, ever applied consistently.  We generally don't think twice about being critical on the day of the death when a story isn't pitched as a human interest story, for instance.

[NowhereMan]

Personally I've got no trouble with people choosing to speak ill of the dead on this message board. I might think they're being a bit of an ass or overly harsh if it's someone I like but they're entitled to do it and can expect to be told to fuck off, etc. Doing it in print in a national newspaper days after someone has died is tacky though, the family of a celebrity are unlikely to frequent f13 but probably do read newspapers and I think leaving it a week or so shows a modicum of respect for them.

[Ironwood]

Which applies if the writer has a modicum of respect.

What if they clearly don't ?

[NowhereMan]

I didn't mean for the dead celebrity to whatever but for the grieving widow and children, etc, etc. Give friends and family a week to start to get to grips with the loss before publicly trashing the guy. Greer isn't completely horrible here but seeing as Irwin's whole life seemed to be dedicated to animal conservation and he did seem to genuinely love them, saying he was being an attenion monger who poorly presented animals is probably going to sting for the family.

[Riggswolfe]

I didn't mean for the dead celebrity to whatever but for the grieving widow and children, etc, etc. Give friends and family a week to start to get to grips with the loss before publicly trashing the guy. Greer isn't completely horrible here but seeing as Irwin's whole life seemed to be dedicated to animal conservation and he did seem to genuinely love them, saying he was being an attenion monger who poorly presented animals is probably going to sting for the family.

That was pretty much my whole problem with the article in a nutshell. I found it ironic she accused him of being an attention whore when she is the one using his death to get attention before his coffin is even in the ground.

It told me all I really needed to know about that woman, and reading some more information about her only sealed the deal. She reminds me alot of an English teacher I had that I hated and that probably doesn't help.

[Roac]

The full article is interesting in that it has some coherant thought as opposed to random snippets.  She's still a feminist (her self-claimed title), very liberal, trollish, ghoulish, and a mean spirited bitch in general.  She's using his death for personal gain, to push an agenda of animal rights when Irwin has far as I can tell done far more for animal conservation than she has.  She probably has some good ideas in her head, but she couldn't do much worse in her delivery.


And for the women who complain about men not putting the seats down:  do you really, really, sit on toilets without looking?  You know what business gets done there, and you're willing to plop your bare rump on a seat without first looking to see if you'd actually want to sit on it?  Regardless how clean my family is, there are just some things I'd rather not discover the hard way.

[HaemishM]

I must have the only husband in the world that doesn't pee standing up.

Are you sure you married a man?  Does he have any unexplainable scars?  Have you mercilessly destroyed his will to live to reduce him to such a sorry state?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Yes, I'm sure I married a man (no kids though, just one failed pregnancy as proof  ). He just prefers to sit down, I guess.  Nothing wrong with that, and I certainly don't miss having to worry about whether the seat is up or down or if his aim was off and he missed the bowl. 

It's easier to read if you are sitting down.

[edlavallee]

I keep reading this headline as "Feminist glad ORC hunter is dead" and then I wonder why she would even care.

[Llava]

I've been quoted by no one saying that the penis is not, by any stretch of the imagination, Nature's Sniper Rifle.  I do have to respect someone who recognizes that limitation and is willing to close in for the point blank shot.

[UD_Delt]

An end to the seat up or down debate:

Episode: 12: Break Step Bridge, Toothbrush Surprise, Rowing Water Skier
Will the athletes of Stanford University's varsity rowing team be strong enough to pull Jamie up on water skis behind a fragile eight—person shell? Sounds like an excuse for a dip, no? Jamie and Adam move on to a myth with more legs when they take a stroll across a bridge to see if the rhythm of soldiers marching together can cause a bridge to collapse. Finally, watch where you put your toothbrush — the guys will attempt to learn if the bacteria from a toilet will settle in their toothbrushes. How did the toothbrushes get in the toilet again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_%28season_1%29#Toothbrush_Surprise

The episode involved them taping toothbrushes to the walls in the bathroom and then testing them a couple days (weeks) later. While it was only partly confirmed that fecal matter finds its way to other parts of your bathroom, via toilet spray when you flush with the seat up, do you really want to risk it?

[Murgos]

I have a water closet.  The toilet is seperated from the sinks and the toothbrushes by a door.  Where is your god now?

[Dren]

Yeah, that was another reason I put the seat & cover down.  I totally forgot that is another reason I started the habit.  I saw/read an article that showed the distance toilet matter gets sprayed when you flush with the lid up.  Seat down before you flush please.  Those towels for drying your hands will be much nicer if you do.

[Lantyssa]

My god is dead and I have killed him.

He wouldn't put the seat down.

[Merusk]

The episode involved them taping toothbrushes to the walls in the bathroom and then testing them a couple days (weeks) later. While it was only partly confirmed that fecal matter finds its way to other parts of your bathroom, via toilet spray when you flush with the seat up, do you really want to risk it?

The thing is, their 'control' toothbrushes had Fecal Coloform on them, too.  They hadden't been touched other than the initial placement (in a room down the hall, under a container) for the duration of the 4 weeks they ran the test.

Shit - it's everywhere.

[Big Gulp]

Shit - it's everywhere.

And trying to avoid contagion not only leads to Howard Hughes levels of paranoia, it's also counterproductive to strengthening the immune system.  Think about all the nasty, filthy, pestulent crap your ancestors came into contact with on a daily basis; no indoor plumbing, no refrigeration, no real concept of bathing or personal hygiene.  Your very existence is proof that these people somehow still managed to pass on their genes, even while living in a fetid swamp of bacterium.

In light of this, don't you think it's a little silly to worry about closing the fucking toilet lid?

[Merusk]

Don't ask me, I still eat food after it hits the floor.  Toilet seat up vs down? Pft.. so long as there isn't a puddle of piss anywhere, I'm happy.

[Lantyssa]

Our ancestors also liked dying before their 30's.  Fortunately there is a nice wide medium between too clean and too dirty.

[Big Gulp]

Our ancestors also liked dying before their 30's.  Fortunately there is a nice wide medium between too clean and too dirty.

Not quite.  It was quite a bit like the ancient world, where the real period of danger was youth.  If you made it into adulthood it was fairly likely that barring accident you would make it into your sixties.

[Lantyssa]

Which still fits what I said. :P