Feminist glad Croc Hunter is dead

[WayAbvPar]

I have never fallen into a toilet in my life. Why? I check to see where the seat is BEFORE I SIT DOWN. It isn't rocket surgery.

[stray]

I suppose there are two types of people in the world: Those who check, and those who don't. For some, the "going to the toilet" procedure is a serene, unattentive experience. For others, it's one of vigilance.

It just so happens that many women fall under the former category (is it chauvinist to say that?).

[shiznitz]

Easily solved. If you share a room/house with the opposite sex, assume the other person will be using the toilet next and leave the seat accordingly.

Or have pre-potty trained children, in which case all toilets should have seat locks on them.

[Morfiend]

I have never fallen into a toilet in my life. Why? I check to see where the seat is BEFORE I SIT DOWN. It isn't rocket surgery.

I think pretty much every girlfriend I have ever had, and there have been a lot, has always bitched about this. I always answer with WAPs reply. I just dont get it. ITS NOT HARD TO CHECK.

[Sky]

Install a urinal.  Problem solved.

Have you been looking at my home improvements notebook? Once I get a house, I'm all about a urinal. My stepdad had one in the workshop, which I thought was maybe pushing it a bit.

Most girls I know seem not to check, either. I see that as their defect, not mine for catering to their lack of awareness. At work, where they gripe about leaving it down, I put both down. I'm still in my bachelor pad at home, so she is good about leaving the seat up (though I make her do that as a joke, mostly). I've bitched at some of my married friends who go in to piss an put the seat down when they leave. Goddamned pussified husbots.

When the girl and I move in together, it'll be a pretty easy rule: leave it how you used it. She's got common sense, my gal.

[Riggswolfe]

Easily solved. If you share a room/house with the opposite sex, assume the other person will be using the toilet next and leave the seat accordingly.

Or have pre-potty trained children, in which case all toilets should have seat locks on them.

That is an awesome solution. However, I've noticed it usually goes one way. "Damn it you left the seat up!" and yet most times when a man walks into the bathroom the lid is down.

Maybe it's just the women I've known in my life or something.

[WayAbvPar]

All our lids are down, just because we don't want the cat drinking out of them. As a whole, however, I am firmly in the 'Look before you leap' camp.

[Signe]

How often do people get violently ill in the middle of the night?  I can't remember the last time that happened to anyone I know since I became an adult and learned to avoid becoming toxic from alcohol.  Sure, someone might become ill enough to lose control due to some sort of health crisis, but who takes that into account when looking at the toilet seat?  We have three toilets.  They all came with a seat and a lid.  We mostly use them both... as God intended.     I only bother to look if we have visitors because my husband is extremely considerate.  I can't remember him EVER not remembering to be considerate in that respect.

[Riggswolfe]

  I only bother to look if we have visitors because my husband is extremely considerate.  I can't remember him EVER not remembering to be considerate in that respect.

Again though, why is the onus on him? Sure, that's considerate of him but it's a one way consideration. How is that fair?

[Signe]

It's not one way.  We're both rather considerate people.  He's taller than me but I make sure I shut the cupboard doors  so he doesn't bang his head when he walks through the kitchen.  I remember when I was very young, my grandmother was not so considerate.  She was barely 5' tall.   She left cupboards open all the time and my very tall grandfather would get smacked in the face now and then.  He had been a pro boxer and was rather "punchy" so when that happened he would have some sort of mental breakdown and start punching up the house... people, too, if someone was near enough.  I think she did it on purpose though... she HATED my grandfather.

Anyway, the moral is:  Shut the lid, Riggsy, or there could be a cupboard door in the face for you!

[NowhereMan]

But damnit it's not fair. You've got potential energy on your side. Think how much more effort it is to put the toilet seat up when you really need to go!

[Signe]

That's the beer talking, duckie.

[Lantyssa]

You know, the only issue I have with the seat up/down argument is why does it default to being the man's responsibility? He likes it up, she likes it down. Men have to check if the seat is up before pissing, why can't women be responsible for checking if it is down?

BTW, both lids down works fine until somebody gets violently ill in the middle of the night. Then you usually have a nasty mess to clean up.

We get to squat, do a 360°, and risk a bath.  Men get to look their target in the eye and usually get splash damage anyways if not outright miss.  Heaven forbid they wipe the damn rim afterwards.

I don't know about your households, but guess who gets to clean that crap up in mine, or my parents, or any of my friends?  Talk about nasty messes...

[Telemediocrity]

So a lot of girls really don't check before they sit down? That's unbelievable to me, but as I've lived with relatively few women, I'll certainly defer to you all's experience.

I've always just done the 'all the lids all the way down' thing.  Makes the bathroom a bit nicer looking that way.

[Cyrrex]

Wow, glad I kept reading this post...the derail is way better than the original subject matter.

Now, I am firmly in the "seat goes down" camp.  I've never thought about why, I've just always put it down.  That said, I have to wonder at the logic of this, especially since hearing the reasoning coming from the ladies.  Are you really not checking?  Is that why we have to put it down?  Have you really given yourself a butt-bath that way?  If so, that is shocking.   As Riggswolfe asked, why should the onus be on the male?  Let's examine the possibilities arising from BOTH male and female viewpoints.  Imagine the consequences if neither sex checks the positioning of the lids:

- Female perspective (both lids up):  In Lantyssa's words, you risk a 360° and a bath.  I don't even want to know about the 360° part.
- Male perspective (both lids down):  This is where it gets interesting.  If we do not check, the absolute best-case scenario is that we piss all over the closed toilet seat (got one of them nice fuzzy covers, do ya?).  Worst case?  In the middle of the night, the male often checks his aim by listening for the tell-tale sounds of falling urine splashing into the pool of water.  If he doesn't hear the all important tinkling sounds, he compensates.  No, he doesn't stop pissing to figure out what is going on - he will continue to adjust his aim until he believes is hitting the bullseye.  Now, you will not only have pee all over your fluffy seat cover, but God knows where else.  The floor.  The wall.  The bathroom scale.  The feet.  The cat?  Probably.  Depending on the male in question, he may not even register all this at 3am.  He might say to himself "that was odd...no tinkle! and then just go right back to bed.

I'll accept that the onus is on us and continue to put the seat down - heck, if nothing else, it looks nicer that way.   That doesn't mean it makes any sense.

[Miasma]

I think the seat should be down all the time, even if I constantly have to lift it up.  I don't know why, I'm guessing because I naturally want open things closed, it seems like a better state to be in.  Leaving the lid up is akin to leaving the cap off the toothpaste, or having the medicine cabinet ajar.  It is a dirty dish still in the sink, a chair not pushed back under the dinner table, the TV left on with no one watching.

To derail further I am a very strong proponent of toilet paper being hung in the overhand manner.  It allows the piece of paper that you have to grab to be several inches closer to you.

[Sky]

Lantyssa's potty ritual sounds...interesting. Most women I know do a 180º and then squat... 

Wow, glad I kept reading this post...the derail is way better than the original subject matter.

I do my best!

Miasma, I'm with you! Death to underhanders!

This kind of conversation is usually what passes for small talk with me. I'm not so good with the weather and politics, but a nice folded vs crumpled toilet paper debate? That's more like it.

[bhodi]

Folded, of course. What kind of infidel crumples? That's for little kids who don't know any better. And overhand, always. always.

Anyone try baby wipes yet? I haven't worked up the courage or will to be so supremely wasteful. In the hunt to find the comedian who swears by them (I thought it was Chris Rock, I guess I'm mistaken!), I stumbled upon WAY too much information.

[Signe]

I make sure my bathrooms are built for Righ comfort.  Comfy seat, paper over, and a nice little unit with a top and shelves containing candles, matches and something to read.  (I have to sort that bit out still)  It also gives him a surface on which to place his (le sigh) laptop.  I like having a comfy house. 

[RhyssaFireheart]

I must have the only husband in the world that doesn't pee standing up.  So the seat is down in our house all the time and I've never had to worry about taking a toilet butt-bath.  We've also just recently stopped keeping the lids down to keep the dog from drinking as well.  He seems to have stopped that habit, but I really didn't mind having to lift the lid at all.  Plus I think the room looks neater ("cleaner") with the lid down, especially since we have hard water and keeping the hardwater stains from the bowl is a freaking PITA.

I can't understand how people could miss checking if the seat/lid was up or down in the first place.  It's not like you aren't looking at the toilet when you walk into the room/stall in the first place.  You can't avoid looking at it!  So not seeing if the seat is up or down is just plain laziness.  And if you are constantly peeing in the dark or something like that, you have other problems.

Overhand all the way.  I can't stand playing "where's the end of the toilet paper" when it's underhand.  Plus, none of that cushy soft Charmin crap paper either.  I loathe toilet paper that shreds when you are wiping.  Scott tissue all the way.

[MisterNoisy]

Miasma, I'm with you! Death to underhanders!

Overhand is great until your cat figures out how to unroll herself 30' of playtoy, shreds it and drags it all over the house.

[Signe]

We get those water stains, too, and they really are a pain.  I'll put a bit of bleach in when I clean and it removes them right away, but they start up again within the week.  Those thingies you put in the tank are no use... except if you like the look of blue water.  I also keep a night light in all the bathrooms and hallways.  Our house is never completely dark. 

Overhand is great until your cat figures out how to unroll herself 30' of playtoy, shreds it and drags it all over the house.

That is too cute.   

[RhyssaFireheart]

We get those water stains, too, and they really are a pain.  I'll put a bit of bleach in when I clean and it removes them right away, but they start up again within the week.  Those thingies you put in the tank are no use... except if you like the look of blue water.  I also keep a night light in all the bathrooms and hallways.  Our house is never completely dark. 

I'll have to try the bleach option, or make sure the cleaner has bleach in it (thought it did, but who really knows).  Cleaner + toilet brush just doesn't seem to do the trick for up under the rim though, and I can see it when I'm cleaning.  I know the stains are there and it bugs me.  The blue water thing makes me think of my grandma's house, and fuzzy seat covers.

Indigo night lights are the best.  Cool blue glow and they last forever.  We've got some that are way over 5+ years old now, and they still work great.

[bhodi]

I've found bleach works a lot better than all those cleaners, including the ones that say chlorox. In small letters somewhere it will say something like "does not contain bleach". Just flush, pour some (1 cup I think) in the bowl, wait 5m, do a quick run with the brush, flush, done.

I'm not sure why people are going away from the stuff that works. Anything that says "Warning: Corrosive!" like bleach has got to be better than something with no real warnings on it.

Now if I can only find something that can get my grout white again in the shower...

[WayAbvPar]

Overhand is great until your cat figures out how to unroll herself 30' of playtoy, shreds it and drags it all over the house.

Whew. At first I thought the overhand/underhand debate was about wiping techniques. I was both horrified and filled with wonderment about some of the contortions it would take to perform an overhand wipe.

[Miasma]

I make sure my bathrooms are built for Righ comfort.  Comfy seat, paper over, and a nice little unit with a top and shelves containing candles, matches and something to read.  (I have to sort that bit out still)  It also gives him a surface on which to place his (le sigh) laptop.  I like having a comfy house. 

Great, now each time he posts I won't be able to stop myself from wondering if he was otherwise engaged...

[Murgos]

Now if I can only find something that can get my grout white again in the shower...

Using that same bleach soak some toilet paper in it and then fill in the TP/Bleach putty along your grout.  Wait an hour or two and remove, perfect white grout courtesy of USMC field day.

At first I thought the overhand/underhand debate was about wiping techniques.

I use three squares of TP.  One up, one down and one to polish.

[bhodi]

Using that same bleach soak some toilet paper in it and then fill in the TP/Bleach putty along your grout.  Wait an hour or two and remove, perfect white grout courtesy of USMC field day.

Interesting.. I tried a diluted bleach mixture but it didnt' seem to work.. do you have the ratio? do you cut the bleach? I assume you put as much tp in as you can until it starts to separate and then plaster it on, right?

[ClydeJr]

I can't understand how people could miss checking if the seat/lid was up or down in the first place.  It's not like you aren't looking at the toilet when you walk into the room/stall in the first place.  You can't avoid looking at it!  So not seeing if the seat is up or down is just plain laziness.  And if you are constantly peeing in the dark or something like that, you have other problems.

My wife gets up in the middle of the night to go pee. She refuses to turn on the light when she does so she's gotten a few butt baths (and then let me know about it later). When I do occasionally leave the seat up, she'll bitch and moan for me to come in there and put it down for her. She doesn't want to put the seat down herself because she thinks its gross and the seat should be down anyway. Pointing out that her bare ass sits on that gross seat doesn't win any points. If I refuse to put the seat down (or she's not talking to me due to some other reason), she'll barely push the seat enough so it'll fall down with a crash. The woman is crazy, but I love her.

[Signe]

Under the rim is easy, too, with bleach.  Buy one of those bottles with the bent top or a spray bottle and use it for under the rim.  (don't miss and spray your face!)  Or... if you can find it... thick bleach already in a bottle with a bent top.  I use bleach and don't mix it with anything.  The ready made toilet cleaners, even though they say they contain bleach, don't work very well on those water stains.  I'M A FREAK.

[Lantyssa]

The 360° was for the entire ritual.  Lift, spin, sit, spin, lower, parry, dodge, twang.  I'm also mostly having fun with it.  I always look unless I'm sick or so out of it that even conditioned responses get messed up.

No, I have never taken an unexpected bath although I have come close on one or two occassions.  To be serious for a second, I can't imagine toilet water is very healthy to be dipping oneself into.  Enhanced risk of bacteria and infections and might ruin a nice romantic tryst.  I mainly like the lid down because it looks nicer and I have had pets around for most of my life.

My cats rarely played with toilet paper for fun.  Only once or twice as kittens.  We did have one that if angry would do it on purpose to get back at us.  It was so funny we couldn't help but forgive him.

[Righ]

I make sure my bathrooms are built for Righ comfort.  Comfy seat, paper over, and a nice little unit with a top and shelves containing candles, matches and something to read.  (I have to sort that bit out still)  It also gives him a surface on which to place his (le sigh) laptop.  I like having a comfy house. 

Great, now each time he posts I won't be able to stop myself from wondering if he was otherwise engaged...

Perhaps the tone of my posts changes. Maybe I'm more cocksure. There, that was totally worth it.

In fact I find it better to have a more passive web experience when taking a dump. My preferences are science and technology news and window-shopping online CD stores.

[Tale]

Besides, here is an article straight from Australia which quotes much more of her thoughts on it:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20365256-5008780,00.html

Welcome to the Internet. You have all the resources in the world available to you, INCLUDING THE ACTUAL FUCKING ARTICLE.

[Ironwood]

Hmmm.  On reading that article, it doesn't seem to say what you suggested it did.


It was, in fact, an interesting read.

[Tale]

The problem I have with it is that she wrote it about the father of two small children on the day their daddy died. That's heartless.