Television thread

[stray]

Y'know, I wouldn't mind a new show with the same premise. That'd be great. Just don't call it the A-Team.

[MrHat]

Lost: I'm most curious about the finale last season when Kate said, "He'll be expecting me" or something to the sort.  I wonder if the HE is Ben now that we know he's alive and has convinced Sayid to work for him.

Terminator: I gotta say I like where this is going.  Carmeron the lying robot!

[stray]

I think it's cool that they went into some of the future storyline, with Kyle and his bro. More of that please.

[edit] As for Lost...

I don't think it's Ben. If it was, then Jack would be working with him too, would he not? I mean... Jack wants to get back to the island. So does Ben. So why would they be working against each other?

[MrHat]

When did Ben say that he wanted to get back to the island? I only remember him telling Sayid to kill XYZ to save his friends.

[stray]

Yeah I guess you're right. He never exactly said he wanted to go back. Heh. I'm just assuming he does because he was so vehement about not wanting to leave in the first place. I mean, he pretty much sabotaged every way that allowed people to leave or even communicate. Why would he want to stay in the "real world" now?

Speaking of which, wtf is doing off the island anyways? I'm not sure if I dozed off or not. Is he assumed to be one the "6" survivors, or did he slither his way off the island alone?

And who's funeral was that? I first thought it may have been Sawyer's...considering that there wasn't anyone there to visit but Jack. The only other candidate I could think of is Locke, who probably doesn't have anyone either. But... Both of those guys are supposedly staying on the island.

Quite a lot of shit to explain, I guess. Not just Ben and sentient black clouds of smoke.

[Abagadro]

I think the consensus at the end of last season was that it was Michael's funeral.

I don't think Ben can be one of the Oceanic 6 since he wasn't on the Oceanic flight. His organization can come and go from the island so I don't see why he couldn't have just left assuming they sent in other sub or boat.

[Miasma]

I think the consensus at the end of last season was that it was Michael's funeral.

I don't think Ben can be one of the Oceanic 6 since he wasn't on the Oceanic flight. His organization can come and go from the island so I don't see why he couldn't have just left assuming they sent in other sub or boat.

Yes they set the funeral parlour in a poorer black section of town so I can only assume it is either Michael or Walt, unless they introduce a new black character.  I would also assume Ben's deal with Michael would have included a new identity, he couldn't have one of the flight survivors pop back up which explains why no one was at his funeral.  I don't think Michael and Walt would have counted to the six since that is a media term and the media shouldn't know about them.  Of course Walt is apparently still on the island anyways...  I'm also assuming the black list people killed him but that's a total guess.

The Wire:  That was another great episode, I liked the parallel bit with the cops and reporters.  You know why no one watches this show - the two and a half minute opening titles with the niche music.

And why did they give McNulty an Armani type tailor this season, that doesn't really fit the character, department or city at all.

[stray]

I haven't watched the Wire because I tend to avoid cop shows. My old man and bro, and I guess everyone here sings it's praises, so it's on my list. As is the Shield.

Michael: Shit, yeah, I think you guys are right. I really must have dozed off somewhere. Did they happen to explain HOW he died by the way? I remember the funeral parlor guy asking Jack if he wanted to open the coffin. That disappointing now that I think about it. Michael deserved a mutilating death.

[Miasma]

On the end of The Wire.  I didn't read much of it in case there is some sort of spoiler.  I did find out he was actually at the Baltimore Sun himself though.

[Miasma]

I don't think the writers of Lost are going to be getting any courtroom drama work in their futures, that was very meh.

And could one of the lawyers tell me if that even made any sense, it felt like a Matlock episode with the judge saying "I'm going to allow this".  Would Kate's mother's testimony be hearsay and useless and would a judge ever allow a character witness with no pertinent testimony into the actual trial?

[tazelbain]

Kate does an amazing job for making Sawyer look like a good guy.

[stray]

Sawyer IS a good guy. Really, despite his shenanigans, you know where he stands.. Him and Jack are about the only two who can really be trusted to not flip out too much.

[Tebonas]

I agree on Sawyer, but disagree on "I'm cool from one of my nervous breakdowns to the next"Jack. Locke can aggravate him without problems. Also, Sayid and Jin look very outflipresistant to me.

[HaemishM]

No one on the show is a "good guy." That's the point of the characters, they all have their flaws and act according to them. Sawyer wants to do right, but he can't help himself... he killed the guy who conned his mom, he conned the hot chick, made her a con woman then fucked off, he killed the guy in Australia. Jack has stability problems, as well as an inability to get over things.

There are no good guys on the island, except maybe Hugo. And he's bugfuck nuts.

[stray]

I just mean as far as they conduct themselves on the island... You can at least trust Sawyer and Jack to not go all nuts like Michael was, and now Locke is. Sawyer might be a freeloader and horde shit, but he isn't gonna stab anyone in the back really. Jin might be the next trustworthy guy... I guess he's over his xenophobia at least. I guess Desmond's cool too, forgot about him.

[Rishathra]

Sawyer IS a good guy. Really, despite his shenanigans, you know where he stands.. Him and Jack are about the only two who can really be trusted to not flip out too much.

[stray]

That was him pointing a gun at Ben, right? Or was it Locke?

Either way, they deserve to die.

What are they, supposed to be following the 10 Commandments in order to be good here?

[Abagadro]

The mother's testimony would not be hearsay because it is an admission against interest which is an exception to the hearsay rule. But ya, the courtroom scene, like all TV courtroom scenes, wasn't very plausible. Kate looked mega-hot though.

[stray]

It looked like a real courtroom though! All white and sterile, not aged and wooden.

[Signe]

They can try and kill Locke and Ben but no one really dies in this show.  Whether they come back from the dead or just in flashbacks, they all come back.  Unfortunately, killing people usually starts up another story that will eventually be unresolved. 

[Tebonas]

Except when you drink and drive. The island can't stand that!

[stray]

The show needs more chicks. Too many have died.

[Abagadro]

Nah, just more Kate in skimpy tanks or pencil skirts.

[Abagadro]

The Wire was fucking nails this week. God I am going to miss this show.

[Miasma]

After much soul searching I'm okay with how they took out Omar.  That bit with McNulty being profiled was great if wildly unrealistic.

[Rishathra]

That was him pointing a gun at Ben, right? Or was it Locke?

Either way, they deserve to die.

What are they, supposed to be following the 10 Commandments in order to be good here?

It was pointed at Locke, and he pulled the trigger, but it misfired.

"Don't kill people" may be one of the Ten Commandments, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea.  As Sayid, the torturer,  mentioned, "it's just not good diplomacy."  Besides, the picture was more in response to your comment that Jack can be trusted "not to flip out too much."  That image came to mind the moment I read that.

Not that I'm a huge fan of Locke.  He's always been a little spiritually unstable, but man has he gone off the deep end this season.  I don't think he deserves to die, rather he deserves the withdrawal of the island's favor.  I think that would hurt him more.

[stray]

Well, by flipping out, I just mean betraying people like Michael did (and just how he generally blamed everyone around him for his problems as well); or how Locke runs off from time to time on his little soul searching quests, and tries to banish you if you question him about it (like he's doing with Kate right now), or how Charlie almost drowned a baby because he thought that was how he should baptize him.

Jack may be on edge, but that's because he's about the only one with an ability to manage and lead people --- he doesn't even want to lead anyone either (unlike Locke), so that just adds to his attitude. I don't blame him for to kill Locke though -- Locke causes damage to the entire group -- even gets them killed in the process.

That being said, Jack has yet to actually kill anyone on or off the island... Or hell, they haven't even really showed anything where he betrayed anyone's trust either really. Sure he makes funny flipped out looking faces, but even Sun has more things to be guilty about than he does (what with the whole screwing that rich guy while married to her husband thing).

[Xanthippe]

Lost:  It wouldn't surprise me if Locke turned out to be the least nutty guy of all, since he's now supposed to be the nuttiest guy.

Show is pissing me off yet I still watch it.

The Wire:  Finally got all caught up.  Wow, what a season.  What a show.  It and The Shield are the best television ever.  Very different shows, both gritty, both engrossingly well done.

[Grand Design]

I just started watching The Wire, and I can't believe I've missed this show for so long.  And I've had HBO since it started.  I'm only about halfway into the first season, but I can tell already that its fantastic.  It does remind me of The Shield, but with more heart.  The Shield is just sadistic at times - not that there's anything wrong with that.  I broke my own cardinal rule of not watching an episode of a show out of context, but I watched one from this season of The Wire and I immediately put them all on Netflix.  I can't wait to catch up.

Dexter.  I had to break my Showtime boycott (ala Huff) to watch this, and it was worth it.  I can barely watch the opening credits, but the show itself doesn't bother me.  Is that weird?  And how in the hell did they clean it up for network?  Good God.

[HaemishM]

So, there's a 4th Doctor Who season coming soon after all. I was under the impression they were going to take a year off before filming the season with Donna Noble as the new companion. Nope, it's coming to Sci-Fi in April. Martha Jones will play a part in the season as well. Double plus gud.

Also, the Sarah Jane character gets her own spin-off series, which hopefully will be good.

[Evildrider]

I've been wondering what happened to Who.. I thought there was supposed to be new episodes in January... At least there still Torchwood.

[Lucas]

Lost 4x05: what a serious mindfuck we got 

One of the greatest episodes of the entire saga, just like "Flashes Before Your Eyes" (and again, with Desmond and Penny as the main characters portrayed). I guess some might not like it because it dwelves into a kinda more irrational territory, but I just love movies concerning paradox, time travels and suchlike ("Butterfly Effect", for example). Stellar performance by the actor playing Daniel Faraday, and great performance by the white bunny in the labyrinth. Race on! :P

[HaemishM]

That little bit of time-travel mystery added to Lost was a good addition, some more fantastical added to what at times can be a story that's too much about ordinary people. I like it when they play up the werid/sci-fi aspects of the island.

[MrHat]

Penny's Dad was buying some book related to the Lost metagame, some journal by some explorer back in the day that originally discovered the island.

[Mrbloodworth]

That little bit of time-travel mystery added to Lost was a good addition, some more fantastical added to what at times can be a story that's too much about ordinary people. I like it when they play up the werid/sci-fi aspects of the island.

I wish they would get back to that, i loved the resident evil feel of the dharma corp and the mystery of them on the island.