Raiding Poll

[Threash]

I've been thinking about Tigoles "25% of people have killed ragnaros, 10% have killed nefarian" comment on his recent interview and while i personally feel hes way off i figured i'd do some research first.  For those still playing would you mind telling me which one of the following statements apply to you:

1: My guild has killed ragnaros

2: My guild has killed nefarian

3:  I don't raid, but i would like too if i had the time

4: I don't raid, but i would like too if i could join a raiding guild

5: I don't raid because i don't want too/don't like it


I can't think of any other options to add atm, but if you think of any other ones feel free to add them.  My guild has killed ragnaros and we are currently wiping to nef so in a week or two both of those will apply to me.

[Fabricated]

If you count doing weekend guild UBRS runs I guess you can say we raid. If you mean 20-40mans, no.

[Merusk]

Guild killed Rag for the first time last week after a month in MC. We're trying again today.  We're definatly raiders and looking on to BWL and beyond already.

[Modern Angel]

My guild before I rerolled Alliance killed Rags, no Nefarion. Raiding again and I anticipate Ragnaros killed and Nefarion eventually. I do raid and, yes, I do enjoy it.

Tigole is full of shit.

[Arrrgh]

5
 

I think raider personality types are just more likely to post. They're louder.

http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2006/03/raid_content_us.html

[Teleku]

Nef on farm status.  We haven't quite made the jump to AQ40 yet.

[Chenghiz]

My guild's been attempting Nefarion for a few weeks now.

[edit] I really enjoy raiding, and I enjoy the social dynamics it stimulates in guilds.

[Xanthippe]

Nef on farm status, guild doing AQ40.  Me, I don't much like raiding at all.  The only reason I am in a heavy-raiding guild is because we played a different game together.  I'm able to contribute by crafting, but I don't much like the whole40 person raiding thing, to be honest.

Haven't been playing much lately anyway.  Expecting to find myself booted one of these days.

[Phred]

Rather than the tiny self-selected sample from this board, if you are really interested, why not check all the server forums. Most have a list from what I've seen. Most are even stickied.

From the list for my server.

Guilds raiding at least MC(not counting zg raiding guilds): Horde 14  Alliance 34
Guilds that have killed Rag:                                          Horde 8  Alliance 29
Guilds that have killed Nef:                                          Horde 2  Alliance 15

Note: Some entities listed as guilds are actually coalitions of 2-5 smaller guilds.

[Calantus]

2

[Threash]

Rather than the tiny self-selected sample from this board, if you are really interested, why not check all the server forums. Most have a list from what I've seen. Most are even stickied.

From the list for my server.

Guilds raiding at least MC(not counting zg raiding guilds): Horde 14  Alliance 34
Guilds that have killed Rag:                                          Horde 8  Alliance 29
Guilds that have killed Nef:                                          Horde 2  Alliance 15

Note: Some entities listed as guilds are actually coalitions of 2-5 smaller guilds.

We don't have a thread like that on my server :(

[Jayce]

1 but not 2.

Rags on farm status but we only got to Vael before our guild suffered a "setback" (guild leader quit the game, still a bit in doubt if we will stay together).

I really enjoy raiding, and would probably do more if I had the chance.  As it is, I consider myself sort of a casual raider... one lvl 60, well geared, but no significant alts and probably 90% of my raiding takes place on the weekend.

[Malathor]

2.

I play only to raid.

[Azazel]

5. I just can't be arsed with WoW's EQ-wannabe raids after doing the same thing in EQ for so long.


Ironically, I now log onto EQ occasionally specifically to raid with my old guild, I guess it's because there's a lot more variety of stuff there.

[Trippy]

I've been thinking about Tigoles "25% of people have killed ragnaros, 10% have killed nefarian" comment on his recent interview and while i personally feel hes way off i figured i'd do some research first.

I'm sure Blizzard knows exactly how many times each of the uber bosses have been killed on which servers by whom and when -- it's a trivial thing to code up and have recorded in the database.

[Threash]

I've been thinking about Tigoles "25% of people have killed ragnaros, 10% have killed nefarian" comment on his recent interview and while i personally feel hes way off i figured i'd do some research first.

I'm sure Blizzard knows exactly how many times each of the uber bosses have been killed on which servers by whom and when -- it's a trivial thing to code up and have recorded in the database.

Im sure they could too but in the interview he called it a "gut feeling" rather than having specific figures.  I was expecting a lot more 5s, but like someone above said its probably because most of those who dont care about raiding probably dont care about reading message boards either.

[bhodi]

Pretty much true. Didn't you see the sign in the doorway? "Catassing Poopsocks Welcome!"

2. Hoping to down C'thun on monday.

[Paelos]

There are 34 alliance guilds/alliances on the raid progression of proudmoore that have killed Ragnaros or better. Let's assume each of those on average has about 70 active raiders. That's roughly 2400 characters. There are 10000 total characters over level 20 on Proudmoore alliance, which I would consider legitimate players or legit alts, and of that 10000, 5000 are 60.

So, if you have a 60 character on Proudmoore alliance, there's a 48% chance you raid MC. When taking into account the 10000 other character, that's almost the 25% Tigole mentioned.

For BWL, 14 guilds have that on farm, roughly 1000 players by that estimate. That's a 20% chance if you have a 60. Again, close to the 10% overall number Tigole said.

For AQ, 3 guilds have that at the last boss, roughly 200 players. That's 4% of 60s. By far the lowest since it's relatively new.


So, from my count Tigole is pretty much right about my server, which is a release day server. What he doesn't get into is the fact that only 4% of the players have seen the end of AQ, and they are getting ready to push out another huge instance. That's where the disconnect happens.

Basically 80% of those who have completed BWL aren't even done with AQ yet, and there's another one coming out the door. 60% of the MC crew isn't even done with BWL yet. And the big number, 92% of anybody who has ever completed MC has yet to finish the current raid content in the game. Yet, more is coming, faster and faster.

[Phred]

Basically 80% of those who have completed BWL aren't even done with AQ yet, and there's another one coming out the door. 60% of the MC crew isn't even done with BWL yet. And the big number, 92% of anybody who has ever completed MC has yet to finish the current raid content in the game. Yet, more is coming, faster and faster.

As a raider  I kind of like that though. But I also think they must have brought in someone to channel Brad for the "casual" quests they put into Silithus. The field duty quests couldn't have been made less casual friendly if they'd specifically tried, what with the randomness of the quest distribution. I like to mess around with single group stuff when our guild isnt raiding, mostly on alts, so I hope they actually get some more fun single group content in soon as well.

[Kail]

I was expecting a lot more 5s, but like someone above said its probably because most of those who dont care about raiding probably dont care about reading message boards either.

Also, they probably aren't playing the game much anymore.  I haven't done any raiding because I don't have any characters to level sixty; I don't have any characters to sixty because the game gets grindy around forty or fifty for me, and there's no reason to spend weeks or months trying to struggle through all that crap just to become another faceless sixty in purple armor standing next to thirty-nine other faceless sixties in purple armor.

Raiding sounds like something I WOULD like if:
- I could do it (which I can't, until I hit sixty)
- I was in a guild with people I liked (which I'm not)
- I was in a guild with people who were roughly as inexperienced as me (to avoid all that "MINUS FIFTY DKP!!!!!!!!" stuff as I'm learning how it works)

But until that becomes true, I'll just keep toggling my subscription every month or so and rolling up new alts.

[Driakos]

There's no option for me in there.  We are still trying to kill Ragnaros.  So I do raid, but I haven't done 1 or 2.

[Righ]

Former guild has Nef on farm status and is into AQ40. Gave up playing WoW after we got MC to farm status and started into BWL because 40 man raids just aren't fun, the game is so unbalanced that non-raiding game play at 60 is worthless and there's no new non-raid content to make alts interesting.

Jewelcrafting, Outland and the new raid content are all going to sink more WoW accounts as the disparity between hardcore raiders and the rest of the server population is magnified. However, Blizzard shouldn't care until somebody makes a better MMO, and that doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon.

Tigole is spreading utter lies to promote his self-worth, unless there's more user churn of non-raiders than I thought likely.

[Strazos]

I don't have a 60...

But if I did, I would at least Try raiding, if I had the time.

[SurfD]

Another question: is it accurate to ask someone if their GUILD has killed a boss?

For example:  I have killed Neffarian and Ragnaros.  My guild dropped Cthun for the second time yesterday (2 Dark Edge of Chaos in a row, what are the odds).  However, I was not in the raid (was waiting in cenarian hold listening to raid progress).

Do i count as having killed Cthun even thouigh i have personally never done the fight?

[Righ]

Will it help Tigole's cause if we reply in the affirmative? Indeed, so you did. Grats.

[Broughden]

1: My guild has killed ragnaros Yes

2: My guild has killed nefarian  Yes

3:  I don't raid, but i would like too if i had the time  I did raid, but dont play anymore.

4: I don't raid, but i would like too if i could join a raiding guild     N/A

5: I don't raid because i don't want too/don't like it     I dont play anymore.

[Tale]

1

[pants]

1: My guild has killed ragnaros Yes

2: My guild has killed nefarian  Not for lack of trying - we'll get there soon though (hopefully this week).

[Threash]

Another question: is it accurate to ask someone if their GUILD has killed a boss?

For example:  I have killed Neffarian and Ragnaros.  My guild dropped Cthun for the second time yesterday (2 Dark Edge of Chaos in a row, what are the odds).  However, I was not in the raid (was waiting in cenarian hold listening to raid progress).

Do i count as having killed Cthun even thouigh i have personally never done the fight?

Well unless you quit the game or deguild i assume you'll be in a kill eventually, if your guild has done it once it can do it again.

[SurfD]

While that is true, this may not be the case for all members of a given guild.  My guild is quite large, and there are a number of people in it who do not raid. They are in it for the network, the collective resources, and their friends, but they PvP, tradeskill and do other things.  There are people in my guild who have been there for more then a year and have yet to kill any raid boss other then onyxia.

Just because a guild has killed a given raid boss, doesent by inclusion mean that EVERYONE in that guild will eventually participate in a kill on said raid boss.

[Tebonas]

5

My guild kills both regulary but I abstain from raiding on principle. It bores me.

Basically what SurfD said is true for me. I just hang out with old friends from my EQ days.

Edit: Fair enough, I should mention I resubscribe for a month every few months and quit after the new nonraid-content is consumed.

[Llava]

I don't play World of Warcraft, because I got to level 42 and realized that I was leveling up towards a raid-based endgame.

So I'd call that #6.

[Jeff Kelly]

1: My guild has killed ragnaros

Yes. We have Molten Core on farm status since January.

2: My guild has killed nefarian

No but we are getting there. Currently trying vaelastrasz

[Zetor]

5.

I am in a small guild that's been together since 1997. We don't have enough members to do ZG or AQ20 (even UBRS is a stretch), and we aren't going to mass recruit in /6 just because we want to raid in this game (we'll be playing another before long... it's just the best game on the market for us atm /shrug). So we don't raid, we complain a lot about getting 2-shotted by uber lewtmonkies in battlegrounds, and sometimes go on other uberguilds' raids as pickups (I got a mageblade, yay me?).


-- Z.

[Flood]

5

I could make the time maybe, and one of my toons is a 56 Dwarf Priest.  I get so many invites I toggle /tells. 

I actually love playing with other people but I haven't been able to either A.) Find someone I get to know to stick with it long enough to matter, or B.) the fact that 95% of the people I have ever grouped in WoW are cockgobbling tools.  I'd rather wander around alone in blue and green gear then subject myself to that.  Sad, since I heartily miss my AC/EQ1 grouping days.