SOE to Publish Vanguard

[Signe]

No, trust me, pixies sound lamer than flying mounts that only work in certain places.  Flying mounts that only work in certain places sound like awesomeness with some unfortunate constraints.  Pixies just sound like wall-to-wall faggotry.

That means that Vanguard (all-over-the-world flying mounts) will be awesomeness without constraints?

You could apply that to Dark and Light as wel...

You're so cute when you pretend Dark and Light is a game!

[Der Helm]

(Funny to think if I did that in Wow I'd risk a ban)

Huh ?

Wow disconnects you for being idle (3 minutes i think) too long.

Circumvention = Ban

Ah, so you could not sit idle next to some camp for 35 minutes. That I remember.

[Falconeer]

You could apply that to Dark and Light as wel...

You're so cute when you pretend Dark and Light is a game!

Tried the offline thing for about 10 minutes and my mental sanity dropped permanently by 5%.

[WindupAtheist]

That means that Vanguard (all-over-the-world flying mounts) will be awesomeness without constraints?

No, it'll be just another faggoty EQ game stuck to the bottom of Blizzard's shoe.

[Jayce]

(Funny to think if I did that in Wow I'd risk a ban)

Huh ?

Wow disconnects you for being idle (3 minutes i think) too long.

Circumvention = Ban

Just for the record, it's well more than 3 minutes.  3 minutes might be auto-afk mode (seems more like 5 mins though).  15 minutes later you are logged out.  30? minutes later you are disconnected.

[HaemishM]

No, trust me, pixies sound lamer than flying mounts that only work in certain places.  Flying mounts that only work in certain places sound like awesomeness with some unfortunate constraints.  Pixies just sound like wall-to-wall faggotry.

That means that Vanguard (all-over-the-world flying mounts) will be awesomeness without constraints?

You could apply that to Dark and Light as wel...

I'm sure they'll be similar in fun factor.

[Venkman]

Vanguard and "without constraints" do not go together. Even if they handed out +100% run/fly-speed mounts to every brand new character, you'd end up having to farm mushrooms for an hour a day to feed it.

[Oban]

I hear mushrooms are going to be added in the expansion.

[Simond]

Mushroom farming is working as intended (i.e. keep them in the dark and throw crap over 'em).

Also: Vanguard still on schedule for launch early next year? Should be entertaining, with the news from elsewhere today. :D

[Endie]

I hope you don't think that Vanguard will have easy-mode mushroom-farming.  Wowtard.

[Falconeer]

Also: Vanguard still on schedule for launch early next year? Should be entertaining, with the news from elsewhere today. :D

Yes.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=38244050&sid=1

What now?
Vanguard tactically postponed (you know, to add polish) or ... pfft... head to head confrontation?

[Simond]

My guess is that Sigil will not delay, because Brad's spent all of the last couple of years doing the passive-aggressive "WoW's a fun little game, but..." thing, attempting to sell Vanguard as this Great Leap Forward in MMOGs.

To postpone launch after all that would imply that Sigil is actually running scared of WoW, therefore WoW is a competitor after all, therefore Vanguard is nothing more than EQ2-with-added-suck. Even the Vanbois on the Sigil boards may start getting a little restless at that.

Mind you, my last MMOG prediction was "Vivendi will not let Blizzard delay TBC past Xmas" so...take what I say with a shovel of salt. ;)

[Nija]

EQ2 is pretty decent. They are really putting effort into it.

I've got too many games to play this holiday season, so I'll probably resub to EQ2 around April. Give the expansion a few months worth of patching and try that.

Zero plans for Vanguard unless they release a "magic client build" like AO always said they would. It just runs too badly for what it is. Sigil is concentrating on all the wrong things.

[schild]

Sigil doesn't seem to be concentrating on a goddamn thing and that's the problem.

[Tale]

The buzz about Vanguard among the MMORPG public is huge. Among people who have heard of it, its public image is as a great hope of the future, despite anything expressed in this thread. It's one of those assumptions that "[insert game title] is going to be great".

It will get a lot of box sales, even if they don't play it long term. There is enough buzz to take a certain number of people away from WoW to persevere with Vanguard instead, because no matter what F13 may think of it, Vanguard is "going to be great".

Therefore the Burning Crusade postponement may be entirely about Vanguard.

[WindupAtheist]

Is that supposed to be in green or something?  If it weren't for F13, I wouldn't even know what the hell Vanguard is.  None of my UO/WoW-playing online friends have spoken of it even once.  No one at the idiot-pit which is Stratics makes mention of it.  In the MMO threads I've seen on other forums I frequent, nobody talks about it.  It appears to have zero buzz outside of Everquest people.

[Endie]

Is that supposed to be in green or something?  If it weren't for F13, I wouldn't even know what the hell Vanguard is.  None of my UO/WoW-playing online friends have spoken of it even once.  No one at the idiot-pit which is Stratics makes mention of it.  In the MMO threads I've seen on other forums I frequent, nobody talks about it.  It appears to have zero buzz outside of Everquest people.

The truth, of course, is somewhere between the two.

If you look at the seven upcoming games on MMORPG.com's front page, Vanguard has ten percent more votes (good and bad, of course) than LOTRO, and 50% more than the next closest (Warhammer and AoC).  It also eats their various lunches in number of comments Of course, this may be down to loyal Bradleyite catasses spamming the voting system from different accounts, and to the game being known about for longer than some of the others, but basically there does seem to be some sort of moderate buzz there.

[LC]

Sigil doesn't seem to be concentrating on a goddamn thing and that's the problem.

I bet they concentrate on the titty slider all day.

[Tale]

Is that supposed to be in green or something?  If it weren't for F13, I wouldn't even know what the hell Vanguard is.  None of my UO/WoW-playing online friends have spoken of it even once.  No one at the idiot-pit which is Stratics makes mention of it.  In the MMO threads I've seen on other forums I frequent, nobody talks about it.  It appears to have zero buzz outside of Everquest people.

That's because you're a freak in a retro bubble. You and your ageing friends have nothing in common with the average WoW player. You also can't read. I used the phrase "among people who have heard of it". They are currently a minority of the gaming public because Vanguard isn't being advertised yet, but there's more of them than there are of us cynics.

I said this in a different way in the WoW forum and got more agreement.

[Simond]

By 'more agreement' you mean everyone going "No, hang on a minute....", yes?

The vast, overwhelming majority of the "Blizz sux! Vanguard's gonna rool!" crowd on the WoW forums will play Vanguard for three, four months and then sneak back into their old servers muttering quietly to themselves...just like what happened with AC2, Shadowbane, Horizons, etc etc and the EQ playerbase.

EQ2 is pretty decent. They are really putting effort into it.

Let me clarify my previous post.
EQ2 at launch was a slow, hardware intentive, group-orientated, fugly catass grind with tedious tradeskills and (psuedo-)corpse runs.
EQ2 now is a pretty decent game because the live team has spent the better part of two year ripping out as much of the McQuaid-esque Vision Redux suckitude EQ2 originally had as fast as they could.

Vanguard is shaping up to be EQ2-at-launch...with added suck.


Better? ;)

[Miasma]

The buzz about Vanguard among the MMORPG public is huge. Among people who have heard of it, its public image is as a great hope of the future, despite anything expressed in this thread. It's one of those assumptions that "[insert game title] is going to be great".

That is certifiably insane and as such is not even worth arguing about.  I absolutely thought you were being sarcastic until your follow up post.

[Ironwood]

Yeah, you've lost the plot mate.

[Venkman]

The buzz about Vanguard among the MMORPG public is huge. Among people who have heard of it, its public image is as a great hope of the future, despite anything expressed in this thread. It's one of those assumptions that "[insert game title] is going to be great".

It will get a lot of box sales, even if they don't play it long term. There is enough buzz to take a certain number of people away from WoW to persevere with Vanguard instead, because no matter what F13 may think of it, Vanguard is "going to be great".

Therefore the Burning Crusade postponement may be entirely about Vanguard.

Were is this "MMORPG public" of which you speak? Yes, I know F13 is a unique crowd of mixed veterans. But nowhere I go in MMORPGs is there a great swell of hope for Vanguard. At most I've seen it referred to as a hardcore also-ran alongside a slew of new titles coming.

[Miasma]

Even the Vanguard forums aren't very positive.  Half of the people complain that it's too grindy, old and uninspired.  The other half whines about how it isn't grindy and oldschool enough.  Vanguard is a laughingstock to everyone but the most deluded.  Even the FoH people make fun of Vanguard.

[Ironwood]

  Even the FoH people make fun of Vanguard.

Wow.

[Modern Angel]

I had alot of friends who were interested...

until I started mentioning the 20 gig beta install, expected 30 gigs at launch thing. They know what loose, bloated code is.

[HaemishM]

My wife got in the beta last night and began downloading the client. This was about 10 pm last night. At 8 am this morning when I left for work, the estimated time remaining on the download was wavering between 5 and 20 hours. Yeah, IT'S THAT FUCKING BAD.

More to come.

[Yegolev]

Full-page Vanguard ads in the last (two or three?) CGW.  So someone knows about it.  Well, not in a biblical sense, just by name.

[Venkman]

My wife got in the beta last night and began downloading the client. This was about 10 pm last night. At 8 am this morning when I left for work, the estimated time remaining on the download was wavering between 5 and 20 hours. Yeah, IT'S THAT FUCKING BAD.

More to come.

Hehe, at least you decided to download it. I'm still waffling.

[HaemishM]

I didn't, my wife did. However, I'm intensely interested in watching it over her shoulder and laughing.

[WayAbvPar]

Make sure you keep a supply of socks nearby.

[Venkman]

I know I bash on this like others here, but the one thing I do gotta say is at least they seem to have at least the beginnings of a content rollout plan. Whether that matters in the grand scheme of things remains to be seen.

[HaemishM]

So did Anarchy Online.

[shiznitz]

My wife got in the beta last night and began downloading the client. This was about 10 pm last night. At 8 am this morning when I left for work, the estimated time remaining on the download was wavering between 5 and 20 hours. Yeah, IT'S THAT FUCKING BAD.

More to come.

Not trying to be a jerk here, but does f13 endorse breaking Vanguard's NDA? Yes, you aren't playing. Your wife is, but anyone in the beta could make the same claim.

Just asking because  .

[Nebu]

Why do NDA's even exist for MMOG's?  First, until someone actually INNOVATES something, there are no "secrets" to divulge.  Second, if the game doesn't include at least a few "FUN" elements by the time you open it up to beta testers, what's the point of starting the hype machine?

I just don't get it.