Player funeral ambushed.

[El Gallo]

I'd be inclined to side with Haemish if it wasn't for the fact that there are plenty of no-PvP areas where they could have done this.  That and the fact that roughly 100% of internet death notices are fake.

[Hoax]

Bottom line out of all the horrible fucking examples given on this stupid thread, mine are the only ones that actually work.

Did Sapp need to level that guy?  Nope.
Can you cry about him leveling the guy?  Nope.
Was it a dirty mean thing to do?  Sure.
Does that make Warren Sapp a sociopath?  Nope.
Should that guy have used some common sense and not spaced the fuck out or whatever he was doing on that play (literally he was just jogging not paying any attention it was surreal).  Yup.

My typekilling one is even better, because it is online to begin with.  But I guess we'll ignore that one.

Bottom line is, the movie was fucking hi-larious it doesn't prove anything about anyone being an asshole in RL.  Any more then it proves that everyone at the funeral is some kind of fat nerd who cries IRL because some guy he played a game online died.  Oh they are also all fucking attention cock-whores too because they choose to advertise it and hold it where they could be ganked.  I bet they are all fat primadonnas who are rules lawyer nazi's who powergame in DnD.  I know that because of their in-game actions seee.

I'm really pretty saddened by the fact that out of all of you Triforcer is the only one who gets it.

[HaemishM]

Righto... im fucked in the head because i believe nothing can make throwing molotov cocktails wrong in a game called "molotov cocktail throwing online V: now with more 1st degree burninage!" .  Fuck off.

The last refuge of the PvEers is always "YOU KILL ME INGAME MEANS U HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS IRL".  I believe there are also mental disorders flowing from the inability to separate fantasy from real life.  So instead of making dumbass psychological arguments that none of us know a flying fuck about because we aren't psychologists and non-dumbasses, maybe we should stop flinging around the idiot diagnoses, k?  k. 

No, it isn't that "You kill me ingame." Not every kill is the same.

But again, that assumes you have more than a binary understanding of the world. Or games. Or people.

It's fucked up. All you douchebags who don't think it's fucked up, die now please, before you breed your lack of humanity into your children.

[Hoax]

Lack of fucking humanity?  Seriously I want you to go for a 10 minute walk come back and read this shit you're writing.

If you get anywhere near this bent out of shape by someone getting ganked THEN GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM GAMES WITH PVP you can't handle it.

Goddamn, some stupid funeral got ganked so fucking what?

What if this funeral was in SB?  Seriously would we be hearing anywhere near this level of crybaby bullshit?  What if some guild in SB decided to hold a fucking funeral in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, not their own castle but out in the goddamn open.  Would we cry them a river if someone stealth attacked their castle?  Would we cry if they got smashT? 

I fucking doubt it.

I realize WoW has pretty colors and cartoony gfx but goddamn this is insanity.



P.S.  The argument that they had nowhere else to express their feelings ONLINE for their ONLINE friend is SUCH FUCKING BULLSHIT IT MAKES ME WANT TO HIT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING MONITOR.

Ever heard of irc?  Or a forum?  Shit fucking AIM eachother images of pink teddybears or whatever the fuck to cope with your horrendous loss.  There are people who I have gamed with for 7+ years, I would be very sad to find out any of them died.  I still wouldn't expect other people to respect that in a fucking game.  They dont know him, or me, or care how good friends we were, they care about doing whatever they want in the game.

Example:
I'm grouped and some guy in the group is going on and on and on about how his gf dumped him.  Should I be like, lets stop fucking pulling and have a long chat?  No, because I play this game to whack foozles so either pull the next mob or shut the fuck up and get out of my group.  You know you people would feel the same way.  The griefers play WoW to kill others, apparently they take delight in killing others, you put a bunch of targets in one place at one time and tell them in advance you are going to be there.  How are we surprised that they got ganked?  I'm amazed only one guild showed up.  On Archimonde the server would probably crash due to the amount of people there to gank or counter gank.  BECAUSE PEOPLE YOU KNOW, WANT TO FIGHT OR SOMETHING. 

By the way you are now at TOTALLY FUCKED on the hypocrite meter Mr. Haemish.

Mister keep-your-gay-germs-out-of-my-fucking-video-game sees no problem with a goddamn funeral for a RL death being held in contested territory?  How does that work exactly?  Please split the hairs for me on that one.

[Margalis]

It IS just a game.  If you get hurt by something that happens IN A GAME thats on you, not me.

Not when your INTENTION is to cause real-life hurt feelings.

Are you fucking stupid or just dishonest? It's hard to tell. Probably both.

  You don't fucking cry when someone takes all your money in monopoly and you are real person, you don't fucking cry when someone dunks on you in basketball, you don't fucking cry when the princess is in another castle in mario. 

Wow, you really ARE fucking stupid. How old are you, 10? Here's a friendly word of advice: if you are going to make analogies, have them make sense.

Do you cry when someone takes your monopoly money? No. Do you cry when someone takes your monopoly money and then says "by the way, I'm really happy your mom died last week!"? Maybe. See the difference?

No, you don't, because you are fucking retarded. Horrible analogies are all stupid fucks like yourself can fall back on. Let me summarize your argument for you, sans retarded nonsense:

If you do something that is MEANT to hurt other people, and they are hurt, as was your intention all along, that's 100% their problem.

That IS your point isn't it? Did I leave anything out? Sure looks pretty fucking stupid once you strip out your useless, nonsense analogies. Anybody can make a moronic analogy. It takes some brains to make a good one - brains you clearly lack.

Let me say this one more time, to point out how blatantly stupid your argument is. Please correct me if I'm missing something but I don't think I am:

If you do something that is MEANT to hurt other people, and they are hurt, as was your intention all along, that's 100% their problem.

Brilliant! It makes perfect sense!

Your analysis, like your intelligence, is severely lacking. Go back to the kiddie pool and leave serious discussions for people who graduated high school. Do yourself a favor. You look like a moron.

Do you have any real point other than vomiting "it's just a game" over and over again while sprinkling in nonsensical analogies? No. I thought not.

[HaemishM]

No, really, it's just common human decency. I don't give two fucks if it was on a PVP server, a PVE server, an RP server. The location doesn't matter (though yes, the people who planned it SHOULD have done it in a safe zone). The location is just an excuse. The truth is, the kinds of people who would plan and organize this kind of crashing of an online funeral (no matter how geeky the shit sounds), would have found a way to fuck it up regardless of the location. Shit, if it was in Ironforge, they could have made an army of gnomes and fucked with the proceedings, it just wouldn't have resulted in player deaths.

It isn't the killing. The killing is just the particular tool they used because that was the easiest tool available. It could have been training of mobs, or tossing AOE effects that shrinks everyone, or just spamming the shit out of the channels. It's the disruption of player events, especially when the players doing the event asked their enemies out of respect to not crash their event.

If it had been you taking the time to organize an event of this kind, you'd be pretty pissed off. The fact that a real life death was involved just makes it seem that much shittier.

[Margalis]

Lack of fucking humanity?  Seriously I want you to go for a 10 minute walk come back and read this shit you're writing.

We aren't talking about people who just wandered into a PvP zone and killed some people.

We are talking about people who chose a course of action solely to piss off other people. The problem is not that some PvP occurred in a PvP zone. The problem is people went out of their way to fuck with other people and make fun of the recently departed? See the difference? If not you should join your buddy Threash on the short bus. How many times do I have to point out how incredibly fucking stupid you two are?

Trying to make other people feel really bad is the definition of lack of humanity. Try again dumbfuck. Dictionary for the win!

The quality of being humane; benevolence.

Owned! Lol, this is seriously too easy. I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that planning to disrupt a funeral and targeting the dead person's avatar first to get your jollies does display a lack of benevolence.

You disagree?

If you are going to make insanely stupid arguments, and least cloak them in some psuedo-logic mumbo-jumbo instead of being obviously wrong on a purely factual basis.

Me 1. You 0.

Insert 50 cents to continue.

Edit: When your argument is obliterated by just knowing what words actually mean it might be time to rethink a bit.

[Threash]

It IS just a game.  If you get hurt by something that happens IN A GAME thats on you, not me.

Not when your INTENTION is to cause real-life hurt feelings.

 
If you do something that is MEANT to hurt other people, and they are hurt, as was your intention all along, that's 100% their problem.



If you do something that is MEANT to hurt other people, and they are hurt, as was your intention all along, that's 100% their problem.

If its something that shouldn't hurt you in the first place, then yes it is their fucking fault.  If its something that they voluntarily agreed too and a place voluntarily placed themselves in then yes its fucking their fault.  From over here on the "only fucking retards roll on a pvp server then complain about being killed" side of the window all of you pussies who cant separate being killed in a game from real life are the ones who don't fucking get it.  I'm 28, i have a job where somehow ive managed to pull through and not go on a killing spree yet, a wife who i miraculously manage to not beat, being a sociopath and all, 2 children who thank god ive stopped myself from molesting (yet! they are only 5 and 7 after all!).  I'm not an asshole, a sociopath and i undertand perfectly about online communities and the persons behind the keyboard.  You are still a fucking pussy who thinks being killed on a pvp server is wrong, please die before you infect any more people.

[Threash]

Lack of fucking humanity?  Seriously I want you to go for a 10 minute walk come back and read this shit you're writing.

We aren't talking about people who just wandered into a PvP zone and killed some people.

Yes that is all we are talking about.  You are fucking idiot if you think otherwise.

[Numtini]

What if this funeral was in SB?

You're right, nobody would have thought anything of it. That kind of behavior was expected.

Ever consider this is why the game was a complete and utter failure?

[Shockeye]

Enough.

[HaemishM]

If its something that shouldn't hurt you in the first place, then yes it is their fucking fault.

Who the fuck are you to determine what should and shouldn't hurt other people's feelings, especially about the death of a friend? Talk about lack of empathy.

[Margalis]

Yes that is all we are talking about.  You are fucking idiot if you think otherwise.

If you are going to call someone a fucking idiot, try not doing it in caveman-speak champ.

I'm 28, i have a job where somehow ive managed to pull through and not go on a killing spree yet, a wife who i miraculously manage to not beat, being a sociopath and all, 2 children who thank god ive stopped myself from molesting (yet! they are only 5 and 7 after all!).  I'm not an asshole, a sociopath and i undertand perfectly about online communities and the persons behind the keyboard.  You are still a fucking pussy who thinks being killed on a pvp server is wrong, please die before you infect any more people.

Why the sudden hostility there buddy? Can't we all just get along?

The fact that some horrific cow agreed to marry you really doesn't excite me, nor does the existence of your two brain-damaged trolls. For every ugly screwjob in the world there is a hideous Mrs. Ugly Screwjob. (Or what you would call "Mrs. Right") You perfectly understand online communities? Well, you certainly don't perfectly understand logic 101 or the english language now do you?

Can we get back to how your argument, like you and most likely your entire waste-of-oxygen family, is incredibly stupid? Everyone on this board is laughing at your stupidity right now.

Can you state your argument again in simple english? (Since you don't understand the more educated kind)

Let me restate it again for you, if I may. Again, feel free to correct me:


If you do something with the intention of hurting other people, and they are hurt by it, that's their fault. *

* = If Threash thinks you shouldn't have really been hurt by it, even though the entire action was predicated (look it up) on having that effect.



Let's bring this to a merry close, shall we?

There is a point in all this. I appear to have touched a nerve. Time for my ace in the hole:

"It's just a message board."

Why are you all in a huff dude? This is a PvP area. Suck it up. Isn't that your logic? After all, *I* decided that you shouldn't really be offended by what I say here. *I* decided that nobody here should be offended by anything I say. So if you are, that's your problem.

Under your own logic, you are a whiny bitch. Under my logic, I'm an asshole. Funny isn't it?

Although I'd like to think I'm proving a point. Clearly I've gotten under your skin. Is it wrong to repeatedly call you and Hoax idiots, morons, etc? After all the only reason I did it was to piss you two off. Art imitates life.

Maybe the boundary between "real life" and being a keyboard jockey isn't as clear as you'd like to think. Is this board "real life?" You're real, I'm real. Online games are often described as graphical chat. I don't use my real name here and neither do you. Maybe in "real life" I'm a nice person but my online persona Margalis is the true asshole?

The fact that you are all in a huff now with your story about your wife and kids just sabotages your own point. Online stuff is just another form of real life. Why bring your real life family into it if it's not?

When you sign onto a message board or an online game you aren't actually whisked away to some totally separate, fairy tale universe.

("The more you know" music begins to play)

I think I've proven my point. "This is just a game" is no more an argument than "this is just a message board." And while you've advocated the "this is just a game" mentality you certainly haven't practiced it in this thread.

[schild]

Errrrr, huh?

[Engels]

Why can't we all just maturely agree that WoW attracts a certain level of player maturity and be done with it? That's been patently obvious to me as soon as I hit the CharGen and pulled up a gnome model. Its either for pedophiles or disenfranchised fetal alcohol syndrome victims.

[Arthur_Parker]

I think I've proven my point.

Those who disrupt a virtual funeral should get raped by a car?  

[Threash]

If its something that shouldn't hurt you in the first place, then yes it is their fucking fault.

Who the fuck are you to determine what should and shouldn't hurt other people's feelings, especially about the death of a friend? Talk about lack of empathy.

Its not the death of a friend dumbass, its the part about being killed in a videogame.

[Margalis]

NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT PART!

Is this really that hard? Nobody has a problem with the fact that people were killed in a PvP zone! Nobody has a problem with the fact that people are killed ALL THE TIME in PvP zones.

The part people have a problem with was the how and why. In this case it was done to mock the dead, and from what I understand they specifically targeted the dead girl's avatar first just to be super-assholes about it.

Nobody here is saying "wow, man it really takes an asshole to kill someone in a PvP zone!" However it DOES take an asshole to plan a large attack on a funeral and go out of your way to crap all over the memory of someone who just died. It's really not any different than just saying "I'm glad your friend is dead."

Nobody here is saying that you shouldn't be killed in a PvP zone, so stop pretending.

[Threash]

Yes that is all we are talking about.  You are fucking idiot if you think otherwise.

If you are going to call someone a fucking idiot, try not doing it in caveman-speak champ.

I'm 28, i have a job where somehow ive managed to pull through and not go on a killing spree yet, a wife who i miraculously manage to not beat, being a sociopath and all, 2 children who thank god ive stopped myself from molesting (yet! they are only 5 and 7 after all!).  I'm not an asshole, a sociopath and i undertand perfectly about online communities and the persons behind the keyboard.  You are still a fucking pussy who thinks being killed on a pvp server is wrong, please die before you infect any more people.

Why the sudden hostility there buddy? Can't we all just get along?

The fact that some horrific cow agreed to marry you really doesn't excite me, nor does the existence of your two brain-damaged trolls. For every ugly screwjob in the world there is a hideous Mrs. Ugly Screwjob. (Or what you would call "Mrs. Right") You perfectly understand online communities? Well, you certainly don't perfectly understand logic 101 or the english language now do you?

Can we get back to how your argument, like you and most likely your entire waste-of-oxygen family, is incredibly stupid? Everyone on this board is laughing at your stupidity right now.

Can you state your argument again in simple english? (Since you don't understand the more educated kind)

Let me restate it again for you, if I may. Again, feel free to correct me:


If you do something with the intention of hurting other people, and they are hurt by it, that's their fault. *

* = If Threash thinks you shouldn't have really been hurt by it, even though the entire action was predicated (look it up) on having that effect.



Let's bring this to a merry close, shall we?

There is a point in all this. I appear to have touched a nerve. Time for my ace in the hole:

"It's just a message board."

Why are you all in a huff dude? This is a PvP area. Suck it up. Isn't that your logic? After all, *I* decided that you shouldn't really be offended by what I say here. *I* decided that nobody here should be offended by anything I say. So if you are, that's your problem.

Under your own logic, you are a whiny bitch. Under my logic, I'm an asshole. Funny isn't it?

Although I'd like to think I'm proving a point. Clearly I've gotten under your skin. Is it wrong to repeatedly call you and Hoax idiots, morons, etc? After all the only reason I did it was to piss you two off. Art imitates life.

Maybe the boundary between "real life" and being a keyboard jockey isn't as clear as you'd like to think. Is this board "real life?" You're real, I'm real. Online games are often described as graphical chat. I don't use my real name here and neither do you. Maybe in "real life" I'm a nice person but my online persona Margalis is the true asshole?

The fact that you are all in a huff now with your story about your wife and kids just sabotages your own point. Online stuff is just another form of real life. Why bring your real life family into it if it's not?

When you sign onto a message board or an online game you aren't actually whisked away to some totally separate, fairy tale universe.

("The more you know" music begins to play)

I think I've proven my point. "This is just a game" is no more an argument than "this is just a message board." And while you've advocated the "this is just a game" mentality you certainly haven't practiced it in this thread.

Are you for real? this thread has kept me amused at work the whole day, im not in a huff nor am i getting worked up and this is tons better than reading the oblivion boards and wishing i was playing.  That doesn't mean im going to sit here and take insults without throwing some back asshole.  And the only reason i posted about my wife and kids is because you idiots seem to think anyone who doesnt take videogames as seriously as you do must be some kind of sociopath unable to relate to other people.  I learned english on the internet, personally i feel i deserve a medal for my grammar and spelling.

[Threash]

NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT PART!

Is this really that hard? Nobody has a problem with the fact that people were killed in a PvP zone! Nobody has a problem with the fact that people are killed ALL THE TIME in PvP zones.

The part people have a problem with was the how and why. In this case it was done to mock the dead, and from what I understand they specifically targeted the dead girl's avatar first just to be super-assholes about it.

Nobody here is saying "wow, man it really takes an asshole to kill someone in a PvP zone!" However it DOES take an asshole to plan a large attack on a funeral and go out of your way to crap all over the memory of someone who just died. It's really not any different than just saying "I'm glad your friend is dead."

Nobody here is saying that you shouldn't be killed in a PvP zone, so stop pretending.

No what you are saying is that the rules change based on real life events.  I'm simply saying they don't.  The how and why those people where killed don't matter, they where people in a pvp server in a pvp game being killed in a pvp zone, everything else is bullshit.

[WindupAtheist]

I feel the need to pontificate further upon how much I hate the people who were having this funeral.  As I said earlier, one tasteful thing to do in the event of a guildmate's death would be to quietly send a nice little card along to their family.  But our friendly pack of catasses couldn't do this, for a number of reasons.

For one, it would have been a pain in the ass.  They would have to get out from in front of the computer, buy a card, and then carefully circulate it by mail so that each of them could sign it.  Christ, that would require every rank-and-file guild member to actually do something, rather than just stand there /tell chatting at a "funeral" for a few minutes.  What's more that quiet, tasteful, and inconvenient offline response wouldn't even be seen by the general public!  After all, what good is mourning if you can't make a server-wide event out of it?  What use is grief if you don't get to ask the entire world at large for a pat on the head?

Self-important fucks.  The righteous indignation they've been given license to suffer probably gives them little hard-ons.  I'll take plain old griefers any day.

IT MAY BE A COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS NOT A WORLD.  TAKE THAT SHIT WHERE IT BELONGS.

[Margalis]

Are you for real? this thread has kept me amused at work the whole day, im not in a huff nor am i getting worked up and this is tons better than reading the oblivion boards and wishing i was playing.  That doesn't mean im going to sit here and take insults without throwing some back asshole.  And the only reason i posted about my wife and kids is because you idiots seem to think anyone who doesnt take videogames as seriously as you do must be some kind of sociopath unable to relate to other people.  I learned english on the internet, personally i feel i deserve a medal for my grammar and spelling.

Ok..this is just over your head.

Hopefully Hoax will get what I was going for.

[Lantyssa]

I feel the need to pontificate further upon how much I hate the people who were having this funeral.  As I said earlier, one tasteful thing to do in the event of a guildmate's death would be to quietly send a nice little card along to their family.  But our friendly pack of catasses couldn't do this, for a number of reasons.

I think we have already established they are not that bright.  They were distraught over their friend's death.  Maybe they lack the social skills or experience, compounded with their grief, to come up with such an idea.  But they tried, so I'm willing to give them a nice little pat on the head and send them on their way.

IT MAY BE A COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS NOT A WORLD.  TAKE THAT SHIT WHERE IT BELONGS.

If it is a community, then the attackers should have been willing to show a little respect instead of figuring out the most effective way to be assholes.  Please let us not rehash ten pages of defining what a sociopath is.  We went over this two weeks ago.

[Krakrok]

I caught this interesting perspective on the whole thing over on Terra Nova:

didn't the other PvP Guild have every "right" to bust up the event? In a strange way... I almost feel as if they were showing respect. I know nothing about the poor player who died, his grieving friends/guild-mates, nor the gankers. But I know that, in a strange, sick way... would I want my virtual funeral crashed by a mad, blasting blaze of screaming enemies? Maybe... yeah... maybe I would. In the "metaphor" of the game, stepping up is a way to show respect, ain't it? The opposite of "love" isn't "hate" in an MMO... it's disdain.

Maybe they should have organized a battle instead of a funeral. So.. if you died would you want your virtual funeral crashed and syndicated all over the interweb?

[Margalis]

Did they have every "right?" Sure they did. (Even without the quotes) People have the right to do a lot of asshole things.

Your quote is a great example of projecting. The author knows very little about the situation and is projecting what they think onto the event, in complete disregard for the facts.

The author may feel it was a sign of respect but the people being attacked did not, nor did the people doing the attacking. It's solely the author's bias.

In the "metaphor" of the game, stepping up is a way to show respect, ain't it?

WTF does that even mean? Why is "metaphor" in quotes? How is attacking people "stepping up"? Wacky.

[Llava]

The stick figures are trapped in their paper world, screaming for deliverance.

lol

[Strazos]

I don't think Threash has the capacity to absorb complex ideas, I really don't.

"If it's not black or white, 1 or 0, yes or no....well, it really is, YOU just don't get it." <--- Is this what you're saying?


Stop being a fucking assgoblin douche. Nothing in a game is supposed to mean anything to anyone, huh?

Let me fuck up your raid for 3+ hours. Feeling frustrated? Why, it's just a game?

Let me delete your character? Feeling upset or angry? Why, it's just a game?

This sort of horseshit would fit perfectly with your logic in this thread.

[Telemediocrity]

If its something that shouldn't hurt you in the first place, then yes it is their fucking fault.

Who the fuck are you to determine what should and shouldn't hurt other people's feelings, especially about the death of a friend? Talk about lack of empathy.

Who are we?  People endowed with the capacity for rational thought and the ability to think critically about the actions of others.

So now everyone's feelings are equally valid?

I feel terrible for the guy who died.  For his friends who put this on - this was just hubris.  They thought that they could have real-life events break down the barriers of a game, and usurp them.  Games don't work that way.

I've only seen one exception: September the 11th.

On that day, if you logged into most admin'd CS servers, every single person was transferred over to the CT side - everyone was just milling about, talking, not really sure what to do.  Nobody wanted to play a terrorist on that day, even with the complete anonymity of the internet and being among total strangers.  Hell, even Goatse changed its message that day to something rather pro-American.

That lasted about 24 hours.

Anything less than that?  The game goes on.

[Threash]

I don't think Threash has the capacity to absorb complex ideas, I really don't.

"If it's not black or white, 1 or 0, yes or no....well, it really is, YOU just don't get it." <--- Is this what you're saying?


Stop being a fucking assgoblin douche. Nothing in a game is supposed to mean anything to anyone, huh?

Let me fuck up your raid for 3+ hours. Feeling frustrated? Why, it's just a game?

Let me delete your character? Feeling upset or angry? Why, it's just a game?

This sort of horseshit would fit perfectly with your logic in this thread.

You are not supposed to do any of those things, stealing my account and deleting my char is not the same as killing me in a contested zone.

[Strazos]

But it's just a game, so what difference does it make? That's the logic you've been using.

[Threash]

But it's just a game, so what difference does it make? That's the logic you've been using.

No its not, being killed falls under the rules of the game what you are talking about is cheating.  I dont see whats so difficult to comprehend about that, how did you get that im ok with cheating because i dont think its wrong to kill people in a contested zone no matter the reason?  One falls within the rules of what you can expect from the game, the other does not.

[Hoax]

Wha, when did this get undenned I had a post all lined up right when Shockeye smacked the thread.

I haven't read anything between then and now, sorry getting tired of it all anyways.

Look, I dont even know why I care about this, I think I'm just tired of hearing terms like sociopath thrown about whenever we talk about anything related to pvp.  The guys who made the movies were dicks, dicks like SIN, The Regulators and just about every famous pvp+ guild.  That is how you make a name for yourself in pvp really, you hit below the belt and make cool funny movies about it.

Here's the reason I just can't agree with getting distraught over what they did.

This is a game.  I believe in virtual worlds and online communities in MMO's a great deal more then most people around here judging from how I get laughed out of a ton of threads when I talk about player-justice, meaningful content, player content etc.

But you can't make a RL judgement based on a game, unless the person is cheating.  You see cheating deserves car rapage (I did skim the last few posts) I think we can all agree on that.

Being a dick within the rules of the game is just bad sportsmanship.  Does that make you a dick?  Sure does.  Just like Warren Sapp was when he smacked that Packer.  Just like the clown who calls tons of ticky-tacky fouls during a pickup game of hoops at the YMCA, just like Terrell motherfucking Owens.  All dicks, not sociopaths, not similar to the Trenchcoat mafia and certainly not raping people's drunken sisters or any of the other re-fucking-diculous hyperbole we've had in this dumbass thread.


***

That said, I wanted to try to salvage this and see if somehow I could provoke some thought that doesn't suck because I feel bad for my involvement in this mess up to now.

Would you all agree that WoW's very mechanics contributed to this problem?  In the sense that, because horde and alliance cannot communicate with eachother and are kept separate.  There really is no reason to treat the other side with respect.  What consequences are there?  They whine about it on the server boards?  On most pvp servers that is a badge of honor, the people with more whine threads are obviously killing more enemies and therefore are more fearsome in battle or so the common logic seems to often go.  Saying that this was a violation of community ethics ignores the fact that the two sides are separate communities for all intents and purposes.  How can we expect sportsmanship when /emotes are the only method of communication?  When your enemy can never become your friend?

In an FPS community there is typically less and less shittalking the higher up the competition ladder you go.  Because if your clan falls apart you dont want to be known as the guy who talked shit to all the other top tier clans during matches.  But in WoW I can spit on every enemy I see.  With the death penalty being such a fucking joke, even if they make good on their "you camped me now I'll camp you" threats.  Who cares?  If I'm the type of player who gets a rise out of pissing off others, WoW is a paradise my actions can never come back to haunt me.  Because of the complete segregation of the factions.

I'm not trying to make an excuse just wondering if anyone else sees this as a possible weakness to fixed faction systems, which currently seem to be en-vogue because everything WoW has done is and also because otherwise population balance issues become a difficult beast to tame.

*shrug*  I tried...

[Strazos]

But it's just a game, so what difference does it make? That's the logic you've been using.

No its not, being killed falls under the rules of the game what you are talking about is cheating.  I dont see whats so difficult to comprehend about that, how did you get that im ok with cheating because i dont think its wrong to kill people in a contested zone no matter the reason?  One falls within the rules of what you can expect from the game, the other does not.

Technically, Griefing is against policy ("The Rules") also, though it is Rarely, if ever, enforced.

[Margalis]

I've only seen one exception: September the 11th.

You know what was awesome? On that day I logged in as a terrorist and kept saying "we brought down your towers, now I'm going to kill you" as well as "this is for Allah" and "I'm sending you to hell to join your Jewish banker husband."

All in good fun.


To Hoax:

All I've said is that people who are assholes in games are often assholes in real life. I didn't say anything about sociopaths. If you want to claim that "dick" and "asshole" are wildly different that's a pretty weird position. (Reminds me of Team America...)

Would these people break up a real-life funeral. Probably not. Would they if they could get away with it? Maybe...when there are no rules and consequences people are capable of a lot of nasty things. A lot of people would be a lot more sociopathic than they are if not for annoyances like laws. But that's speculation - I would suggest they would be more prone to be outwardly sociopathic but that isn't my point.

My point is just that they are assholes. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? I can make a real life judgement of someone if they are knowingly fucking with people in real life.

When Tribes:Vengeance beta came out there was a guy who just kept team-killing everyone. Nobody could organize a vote to kick him out because the game was new and nobody really knew how to do that, how to vote, etc. He would travel from server to server ruining the experience for everyone. To me that's no different than purposely annoying people by talking on your phone during a movie. The *only* difference is physical proximity.

I would say that guy was an asshole. He was purposely and knowingly fucking with real life human beings to get his jollies.

Sociopath and being anti-social do fit as desciptors fairly well. Not in the severe "this guy might bring some guns to school and open fire any minute" sense, but in the low-grade sense at least.

In the end the continuous scale of dick, asshole, sociopath, serial killer doesn't really interest me, other than to say that these guys are on that scale somewhere and that isn't a good thing.

[Telemediocrity]

I've only seen one exception: September the 11th.

You know what was awesome? On that day I logged in as a terrorist and kept saying "we brought down your towers, now I'm going to kill you" as well as "this is for Allah" and "I'm sending you to hell to join your Jewish banker husband."

All in good fun.

Minus points for lack of originality. You could have RP'ed one of the hijackers, entering the afterlife anticipating his 72 virgins only to become seriously bummed when he discovered Allah had trapped him for eternity in an aging FPS, doomed to endlessly run de_dust.

A lot of people would be a lot more sociopathic than they are if not for annoyances like laws.

In general, we agree on this. However, it'd vary from person to person - and I'm not seeing your argument as to how behavior in a MMO is valid evidence of that personal variation.