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Xanthippe
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MMOG players appear to be of two types - those who believe it's just a game so one can behave however one wants, and those who believe it's a world, where normal social constraints apply.
PvP servers have both kinds of people.
From a zero sum perspective, the former win. But then, the former are the only ones playing from a zero sum perspective.
From a Virtual World perspective, the former are griefers. But griefers appear in real life also, although they are called criminals, and there are societal mechanisms that attempt to control them (somewhat successfully) by fines, jail, prison, and so on.
So one Virtual World response, since this VW is largely anarchistic, is to "take the law into one's own hands" or to grief the griefers. Hunt them down and kill them repeatedly whenever they are found.
Seems like it would be ever so much more satisfying to pk these bastards and their lowbie guildies than to whine about them endlessly on forums.
"You're an asshole!" "No, I'm not! Well, maybe I am but those geeks deserve it! So what!?"
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Threash
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MMOG players appear to be of two types - those who believe it's just a game so one can behave however one wants, and those who believe it's a world, where normal social constraints apply.
PvP servers have both kinds of people.
From a zero sum perspective, the former win. But then, the former are the only ones playing from a zero sum perspective.
From a Virtual World perspective, the former are griefers. But griefers appear in real life also, although they are called criminals, and there are societal mechanisms that attempt to control them (somewhat successfully) by fines, jail, prison, and so on.
So one Virtual World response, since this VW is largely anarchistic, is to "take the law into one's own hands" or to grief the griefers. Hunt them down and kill them repeatedly whenever they are found.
Seems like it would be ever so much more satisfying to pk these bastards and their lowbie guildies than to whine about them endlessly on forums.
"You're an asshole!" "No, I'm not! Well, maybe I am but those geeks deserve it! So what!?"
The problem with that is that the penalty for dying in wow is so minor that you wont "get them back" by killing them. If you get that upset over being killed theres pretty much nothing you can do about it because theres nothing you can do to them in the game that will make them as upset as they made you.
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Xanthippe
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The problem with that is that the penalty for dying in wow is so minor that you wont "get them back" by killing them. If you get that upset over being killed theres pretty much nothing you can do about it because theres nothing you can do to them in the game that will make them as upset as they made you.
You are right - at least for the 60s who are no longer levelling up. It's a pain in the ass to be ganked repeatedly while levelling up though - especially when done artfully enough so that the deaths are not caused by players, but by allowing the mobs to finish the players off. If the guild/guilds who interrupted the funeral are now consider KOS and actively hunted by the others, I would bet that would not be a great deal of fun for them. Of course, the smart ones then don't join their guild until 60. But then, the others can just grief all the other side lowbies, and make them all KOS. [Edit: too many "artfullys" caused by interruption]
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« Last Edit: April 16, 2006, 11:18:24 AM by Xanthippe »
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WindupAtheist
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WoW is not worldly enough for you, so that means it's OK to fuck those who DO find it worldly enough? Fuck them in the "azz"? And fuck their corpse, too? Yeah, pretty much. It's a game, divided into two teams, with a points-system in place to track how much ass gets beaten. Have your goddamn prayer-circle in the locker room, because if you do that shit on the field while the clock is running, you're going to get blindsided.
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Telemediocrity
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World of Wacraft is a game, not a world. It's not even a "virtual world" in the sense the term is commonly used around here. WoW is not worldly enough for you, so that means it's OK to fuck those who DO find it worldly enough? Fuck them in the "azz"? And fuck their corpse, too? Yes. Why should their perception that it's worldly enough trump mine that it isn't? Why do they get preference? Why shouldn't the converse logic apply true, and have them bow to 'my' perception that the game isn't a world, and consent to said 'azz' fucking? Under your logic, civility in MMOs means that the most sensitive person always wins. Fuck that noise.
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tkinnun0
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Whether or not WoW is a world is a red herring. The real question is, did those players want to be potentially ambushed? And the answer is not "well they were in a contested zone, so obviously.." or "well I think..", it's either "they said they did" or "they said they did not".
Now, If you object to one corner of one zone having a seize-fire for 30 minutes, of which you knew about beforehand, because it adversely affects your ganking, who is being sensitive here?
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Arthur_Parker
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An advertised event in a pvp zone results in pvp, especially if someone sensitive wants a "seize-fire". It's difficult to assign values of "right" or "wrong" to something that can probably be demonstrated mathematically.
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Telemediocrity
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The problem with that is that the penalty for dying in wow is so minor that you wont "get them back" by killing them. If you get that upset over being killed theres pretty much nothing you can do about it because theres nothing you can do to them in the game that will make them as upset as they made you. That's by design. So maybe WoW isn't the game for them, then? Now, If you object to one corner of one zone having a seize-fire for 30 minutes, of which you knew about beforehand, because it adversely affects your ganking, who is being sensitive here? I don't object, I ignore.
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Margalis
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I'm really surprised to hear you espouse that crap line of reasoning.
I've never heard anyone accuse people who play the markets in MMO's or craft or whatever to make VIRTUAL MONEY be accused of being rich assholes in RL.
Let me repeat myself, because this is obviously an extremely difficult concept: The anecdotal evidence is that people who are assholes in games are assholes in real life. The anecdotal evidence is NOT that people who play the markets in MMOs or craft are greedy. The fact is in MMORPGs crafting and playing the markets is *smart*, not greedy. Crafting doesn't make you greedy any more than a job in real life makes you greedy. Now, being very greedy in a game probably does correspond to being greedy in real life. "Check your real personality at the door" is again mostly a fabrication by assholes who want to pretend they aren't assholes in real life. Again let me point out than in an online game the other players are real people, it *is* real life. If you gank someone for hours on end to purposely annoy them that's not really any different than keying someone's car. (Other than the monetary damage I suppose) It's funny how many of you are so fucking dumb that you can't see that. It's really a shame more of you weren't aborted. Having a funeral in a PvP zone was dumb, sure. But punishing dumb people for being dumb isn't a virtue. It's dumb for a girl to get drunk by herself and leave a bar at four in the morning, but you aren't doing the world any favors by raping and strangling her now are you? Of course that's hyperbole but the logic still applies. Why not just call a horse a horse? Some people attacked a player funeral because they are childish assholes. A lot of you are apparently childish assholes as well. Some people are very amused by making other people feel bad. Do you have any dead siblings? Maybe a dead parent? I'm glad. I hope more die, very soon. Hilarious!
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Calantus
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I basically think 2 thinks about this story:
1) The players were STUPID to hold it in a PVP zone, so what happened was inevitable and deserved. 2) The players who ganked the funeral were being assholes and their consciences should have told them against it.
So you see, I don't really take either side here, I believe both of them are wrong.
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Lantyssa
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I don't know about "deserved", but otherwise I agree with the two point summary. As much as I dislike dumb people though, I hate assholes more, especially ones that act that way purposefully.
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WindupAtheist
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Whether or not WoW is a world is a red herring. The real question is, did those players want to be potentially ambushed? And the answer is not "well they were in a contested zone, so obviously.." or "well I think..", it's either "they said they did" or "they said they did not". So like, one day I was in a boxing match. Only instead of boxing, I decided I was going to walk out to the center of the ring at the beginning of the round, and deliver a touching speech on the plight of child laborers in the Third World. Anyway, the bell rings, I walk out and start to address the crowd, and my fucking opponent just starts like punching me and stuff. That fucker. I knew he hated children, but I didn't know he hated them this much.
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Strazos
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I don't know about "deserved", but otherwise I agree with the two point summary. As much as I dislike dumb people though, I hate assholes more, especially ones that act that way purposefully.
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Calantus
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Hmm, my usage of "deserved" was a little weird to be honest. It's not so much that they deserve to be ganked at the funeral, but that I believe people deserve to have fate slap them upside the head when they deliberately and unnecesssarily tempt fate.
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Margalis
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Could they have expected it? Yes. Did they deserve it? No.
In boxing guys often touch gloves before they fight. There are no rules that say you have to do that. You can sucker punch the guy when he comes out to touch gloves. But you NEVER see that. See, I can make stupid analogies too.
When you hurt other people that's "real life." It seems obvious but some of you still don't get it.
Yes it would be annoying if people held player funerals every 2 hours in PvP zones, but that really is not a problem, and pretending that this is some sort of pre-emptive action against that is just a lame justification.
They should have expected it because the world is full of assholes. It takes a special kind of person to think to themselves "hey, someone DIED in real life and her buddies are trying to honor her, let's go kill them all and make sure to kill her avatar first!" Those kind of people deserve to be hit by cars.
There are some people who cannot tell the difference between life and a game. There are also people who pretend that "real life" and games are not related at all, even when a game is populated by other human players. Both are mental deficiencies.
People who can't tell the difference between real life and GTA are certifiably bonkers. People who honestly think that any online game is "just a game" and not connected to real life in any way are as well.
Purposely hurting other people is wrong. Wow, what a novel concept! The intent of this action was to hurt a bunch of people's feelings - that's the definition of being an asshole.
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tkinnun0
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There's one thing to say and then I think I'm done.
Fuck you and your phonetic misspellings. Fuck you for every "there" instead of "their" and "your" instead of "you're". Fuck your for fucking up the beautiful English language. "Seize-fire", indeed. Thank you and fuck you.
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Ironwood
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Arthur_Parker
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Yes it would be annoying if people held player funerals every 2 hours in PvP zones, but that really is not a problem, and pretending that this is some sort of pre-emptive action against that is just a lame justification.
They should have expected it because the world is full of assholes. It takes a special kind of person to think to themselves "hey, someone DIED in real life and her buddies are trying to honor her, let's go kill them all and make sure to kill her avatar first!" Those kind of people deserve to be hit by cars.
We should invent a building in real life, away from the online assholes where family and friends can gather to hold a funeral for the deceased. We could call the building a "Murch".
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Summary: Stupidity versus Assholery, what do you like better?
If the funeral people had just held this quietly, telling only their friends, and it was leaked and they were attacked, I'd be more sympathetic. But writing a post saying "WE ARE HAVING A FUNERAL PLZ DON'T ATK PLZ" tips the scales against them- that seems odd.
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« Last Edit: November 07, 2006, 04:01:15 PM by Triforcer »
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HaemishM
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The anecdotal evidence is that people who are assholes in games are generally assholes in real life as well, or would be if they could. Uh, hi? I've been called an asshole ingame, and I'm not an asshole in real life. In fact, having been given many opportunities to be one, I've chosen not to. Shocking? Not really. No, you really are. You just don't know it.
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HaemishM
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Summary: Stupidity versus Assholery, what do you like better?
If the funeral people had just held this quietly, telling only their friends, and it was leaked and they were attacked, I'd be more sympathetic. But writing a post saying "WE ARE HAVING A FUNERAL PLZ DON'T ATK PLZ" tips the scales against them- that is Darwin award stupidity.
Now, they asked for and expected a sense of honor and decency, a bit of respect for the very human emotion of grieving. It's just that the assholes smell grief and think it is ambrosia of the gods. It is like kitty litter for assholes. Yes, expecting a sense of honor in the most douchebag-populated MMOG ever was stupid. What's disappointing isn't that they were griefed, it was that they were griefed despite asking nicely and respecting the other side enough to say "We won't attack you if you won't attack us." It just proves that most online players know fuckall about sportsmanship or fair play. And yes, it DOES prove that assholes in a game are assholes in real life, because the people on the other end of the keyboard ARE REAL PEOPLE.
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Xanthippe
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It's just that the assholes smell grief and think it is ambrosia of the gods. It is like kitty litter for assholes.
Now that's some sig-worthy material, right there.
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especially if the cars are allowed to hit you.
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Samwise
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There's one thing to say and then I think I'm done.
Fuck you and your phonetic misspellings. Fuck you for every "there" instead of "their" and "your" instead of "you're". Fuck your for fucking up the beautiful English language. "Seize-fire", indeed. Thank you and fuck you.
The grammar snake IS real! 
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The anecdotal evidence is that people who are assholes in games are generally assholes in real life as well, or would be if they could. Uh, hi? I've been called an asshole ingame, and I'm not an asshole in real life. In fact, having been given many opportunities to be one, I've chosen not to. Shocking? Not really. No, you really are. You just don't know it. Logically, there are only three choices: a) you are one in real life, for the aforementioned reason: those are real people on the other end and you are causing them pain of some sort knowingly. b) you have a disconnect and don't really beleive on some level that those cartoons are controlled by real people with real agendas, plans etc. c) the persons calling you out for being a jerk had sour grapes because you beat them in a duel they expected to win or something. Note the close similiarity to real life, where people are also whiny. If you attack a player funeral knowingly, then (Captain Obvious told me) you don't belong to this category.
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Threash
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Could they have expected it? Yes. Did they deserve it? No.
In boxing guys often touch gloves before they fight. There are no rules that say you have to do that. You can sucker punch the guy when he comes out to touch gloves. But you NEVER see that. See, I can make stupid analogies too.
When you hurt other people that's "real life." It seems obvious but some of you still don't get it.
Yes it would be annoying if people held player funerals every 2 hours in PvP zones, but that really is not a problem, and pretending that this is some sort of pre-emptive action against that is just a lame justification.
They should have expected it because the world is full of assholes. It takes a special kind of person to think to themselves "hey, someone DIED in real life and her buddies are trying to honor her, let's go kill them all and make sure to kill her avatar first!" Those kind of people deserve to be hit by cars.
There are some people who cannot tell the difference between life and a game. There are also people who pretend that "real life" and games are not related at all, even when a game is populated by other human players. Both are mental deficiencies.
People who can't tell the difference between real life and GTA are certifiably bonkers. People who honestly think that any online game is "just a game" and not connected to real life in any way are as well.
Purposely hurting other people is wrong. Wow, what a novel concept! The intent of this action was to hurt a bunch of people's feelings - that's the definition of being an asshole.
It IS just a game. If you get hurt by something that happens IN A GAME thats on you, not me. You don't fucking cry when someone takes all your money in monopoly and you are real person, you don't fucking cry when someone dunks on you in basketball, you don't fucking cry when the princess is in another castle in mario. Not even if your grandma just died. People got pvped on a pvp server, thats ALL this fucking boils down too, thats ALL there is to it and anybody that tries to make any more out of it has some serious fucking problems they need to work on before they go online again. You know what would stop shit like this from happening? if people didn't whine and cry and make a big deal out of it when something that happens a million times a day on hundreds of servers in dozens of fucking games happened, all because someone supposedly died and a bunch dorks are so disconnected from real life that they have to show their grief in a game. You can't get those people back, ever. They don't give a shit if they are killed, if kill them they laugh at you for getting you pissed enough to do it, if you camp them they will laugh at you for having pissed you off enough to drop what you where doing to pay attention to them. You can't win as long as you give a shit. People got pvped on a pvp server, its fucking meaningless and making a big deal out of it only reinforces that behavior.
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I'm really surprised to hear you espouse that crap line of reasoning.
I've never heard anyone accuse people who play the markets in MMO's or craft or whatever to make VIRTUAL MONEY be accused of being rich assholes in RL.
Why not just call a horse a horse? Some people attacked a player funeral because they are childish assholes. A lot of you are apparently childish assholes as well. Some people are very amused by making other people feel bad. Do you have any dead siblings? Maybe a dead parent? I'm glad. I hope more die, very soon. Hilarious! Let me repeat myself for the 200th time while pretending that someone here might get over how they were camped one time and it made them break their mouse in frustration... 1. The people who attacked the funeral did so because they are playing on a pvp server (we can therefore assume they want to pvp). In fact due to WoW's overuse of instances and the majority of PvP taking place in the BG's its not a crazy leap to say that people on PvP servers want so-called "world pvp". So lets see, you advertise that a large amount of targets will be somewhere at a certain time, they go there and attack, you know pvp, world-pvp even. Not assholes, playing the game. Here are two examples that actually apply to the situation, in fact I'd say they are rather unbiased ones. I figure this might help you since you seem to have raping and strangling dead women confused with sportsmanship. Example A: Green Bay is playing Tampa, Farve is picked off (I think this was the sitrep sorry if I'm getting anything wrong). The ball is comming the other way and well ahead of the defender returning it up the sideline Warren Sapp absolutely DESTROYS the TE of Green Bay. For some reason this guy wasn't really paying attention, he gets fucking blindsided and injured. GB's coach gets in Sapp's face about it, there is a bunch of sport's media coverage of the incident and debates about whether that is ok. Example B: Typekilling in an FPS. I've heard this fucking argument 100 times, in CS you can see when a person is typing. Some people expect to be not shot if they are typing, others will take the free headshot every time. Sportsmanship is nice, but not required. This applies esp. when we're talking about a lose war recreation. I expect sportsmanship in FPS games, I dont typekill. In an fps I expect people to keep the teams even, I expect clans not to stack one side and I prefer to not hear a bunch of shittalking. This is because FPS games are an environment designed to be fair and test skill. In a MMO where theoretically we are enemies, I dont expect any of that. I dont expect fair fights, I dont ignore people who emote something nice to me. If I was planning on killing them I'm going to kill them. The whole purpose of PVP servers is to provide an open unpredictable combat environment. I see a priest @ half hp, is he alone or are there two rogues sitting there? I dont expect fair fights in Planetside do you?
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HaemishM
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Asshole rationalization See, let's put it another way. You won't get it, because you are a thick-headed douchebag, but I'll try anyway. These people are all friends. They get together in one place to do friend things. That place happens to be an online virtual game place, but it's a place nonetheless. One of their friends dies. He shuffles off the mortal coil. They decide to hold a wake in the only place they can, their place to do friend things, i.e. the game of WoW. While not bothering anyone in that place, their place is burned down, they are ridiculed for using that place for friend things, etc. If you had a clubhouse where your friends got together and someone tossed a Molotov cocktail into, ESPECIALLY when you are commemorating the death of a close friend, you'd be pretty pissed about it. But since that clubhouse where you gather is a fucking online game, you think it's ok to toss that Molotov Cocktail. As for the Warren Sapp play, Hoax, Sapp is a cockbag. He shouldn't have hit the guy like that, and yes, the guy should have had his head on a swivel to avoid that. But it was still a dirty hit, and it wasn't sportsmanlike, I don't give a fuck how you couch it. Just because the guy should have been paying attention doesn't mean you can just coldcock him when he isn't even integral to the play. He was on the other side of the field from the play, so far away he might as well have been a goddamn spectator in the stands. As for the people who say you don't have memorials for players in the middle of a football game, yes you do. There are tons of ceremonies commemorating the players of the game (tributes to Patrick Tillman, retiring someone's number, etc.). And if the visiting team started tackling people in the middle of these ceremonies because they were "on the field" or some other douchebag rationalization, they are assholes, and griefers and deserve to get fucking banned. But I forget, there apparently isn't anyone else in the entire world playing the game at the same time as me. It's only my fun that matters, and intentionally ruining other people's fun WHEN THEY SPECIFICALLY REQUEST TO NOT HAVE THEIR FUN (OR MEMORIAL) RUINED is a perfectly acceptable social response.
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bhodi
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I liken it to knocking down someone's sandcastle, hitting a passerby with the spray from a garden hose or snowball, or possibly those guys that drive around town scaring people with their specially mounted train horn. They're being jerks, but that's ok, it's a phase most people grow out of. Except those guys in their modded truck.
I'm not sure what you want; are you saying there are juviniles playing WoW? (O RLY?) Are you saying people are broken? it's pretty clear after spending 15 minutes on a PvP server that a small but active percentage of the people on it are in that particular mindset. I laughed at the video, but that's OK because I laugh at people's misery all the time. Mostly when they deserve it, like the people in the video.
Edit: it's funnier when you imagine them in guild chat saying "On my ambush, unleash NERD FURY!"
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Threash
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Asshole rationalization See, let's put it another way. You won't get it, because you are a thick-headed douchebag, but I'll try anyway. These people are all friends. They get together in one place to do friend things. That place happens to be an online virtual game place, but it's a place nonetheless. One of their friends dies. He shuffles off the mortal coil. They decide to hold a wake in the only place they can, their place to do friend things, i.e. the game of WoW. While not bothering anyone in that place, their place is burned down, they are ridiculed for using that place for friend things, etc. If you had a clubhouse where your friends got together and someone tossed a Molotov cocktail into, ESPECIALLY when you are commemorating the death of a close friend, you'd be pretty pissed about it. But since that clubhouse where you gather is a fucking online game, you think it's ok to toss that Molotov Cocktail. As for the Warren Sapp play, Hoax, Sapp is a cockbag. He shouldn't have hit the guy like that, and yes, the guy should have had his head on a swivel to avoid that. But it was still a dirty hit, and it wasn't sportsmanlike, I don't give a fuck how you couch it. Just because the guy should have been paying attention doesn't mean you can just coldcock him when he isn't even integral to the play. He was on the other side of the field from the play, so far away he might as well have been a goddamn spectator in the stands. As for the people who say you don't have memorials for players in the middle of a football game, yes you do. There are tons of ceremonies commemorating the players of the game (tributes to Patrick Tillman, retiring someone's number, etc.). And if the visiting team started tackling people in the middle of these ceremonies because they were "on the field" or some other douchebag rationalization, they are assholes, and griefers and deserve to get fucking banned. But I forget, there apparently isn't anyone else in the entire world playing the game at the same time as me. It's only my fun that matters, and intentionally ruining other people's fun WHEN THEY SPECIFICALLY REQUEST TO NOT HAVE THEIR FUN (OR MEMORIAL) RUINED is a perfectly acceptable social response. No its more like this: people got killed on a pvp server then cried about it. Thats all there is to it, im not rationalizing anything, thats exactly what happened. I know damn well those are real people playing the game with me, i just don't see how they can be hurt by something that happens in a game. Yes its god damn ok to toss a molotov cocktail in a game about tossing molotov cocktails, whats fucking wrong with that? ITS A FUCKING GAME I DONT GIVE A FUCK HOW REAL YOU ARE YOU SHOULDNT BE HURT BY A GAME. Im not saying purposely hurting other people is ok, im saying if you are hurt by a game you are the one with the problem not me.
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HaemishM
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You are saying that the people who were killed, who were in some form of mourning for their dead friend, should just suck it up since they are on a PVP server, because no one has any feelings on a PVP server other than RAWWWRRR OWNZED YOU AZZRAPP3!1!1111!!
They have feelings. They were in mourning. The party of mongoloids came along with the purposeful, malicious intent to make them feel bad, knowing that it isn't just a normal PVP death, it's a malicious attack on their REAL LIFE FEELINGS OVER THEIR DEAD FRIEND.
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You are saying that the people who were killed, who were in some form of mourning for their dead friend, should just suck it up since they are on a PVP server, because no one has any feelings on a PVP server other than RAWWWRRR OWNZED YOU AZZRAPP3!1!1111!!
I think that's what he's saying. He's saying it's just a game; it's not real. Anyone who has real feelings about toons in a game is deluded and worthy of derision. They have feelings. They were in mourning. The party of mongoloids came along with the purposeful, malicious intent to make them feel bad, knowing that it isn't just a normal PVP death, it's a malicious attack on their REAL LIFE FEELINGS OVER THEIR DEAD FRIEND.
You're wasting your breath, Haemish, because, for this guy, there is no such thing as an online community. He hasn't experienced it, so he has no clue what you are talking about. It just doesn't exist for him. Other people are just objects, like mobs - they are things to kill in a video game. The idea that a person might have a valid emotional response is alien to him - the idea that a person would have an emotional response at all is hilarious. He has no idea what you are saying. He hears the words. He does not have the capability to piece together the meaning.
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Threash
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Righto... im fucked in the head because i believe nothing can make throwing molotov cocktails wrong in a game called "molotov cocktail throwing online V: now with more 1st degree burninage!" . Fuck off.
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Triforcer
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Righto... im fucked in the head because i believe nothing can make throwing molotov cocktails wrong in a game called "molotov cocktail throwing online V: now with more 1st degree burninage!" . Fuck off.
The last refuge of the PvEers is always "YOU KILL ME INGAME MEANS U HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS IRL". I believe there are also mental disorders flowing from the inability to separate fantasy from real life. So instead of making dumbass psychological arguments that none of us know a flying fuck about because we aren't psychologists and non-dumbasses, maybe we should stop flinging around the idiot diagnoses, k? k.
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All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. This is the truth! This is my belief! At least for now...
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WindupAtheist
Army of One
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If one of your guildmates dies in real life, mail his real-life mother a real-life sympathy card and shut the fuck up. Don't come marching into my fun people-killing game to fag it up with your self-important public mourning. It's not a world, and you don't live there. If your friend died in reality, unplug yourself from the fucking Matrix already and go address it in reality.
Really, one of them buys a sympathy card from the store, and mails it to a guildmate. They sign it, and mail it to the next guildmate, who signs it and sends it on to the next. Eventually it gets mailed back to the first person, who sends it along to the family of the deceased, who receive a nice card signed by their kid's friends from around the country. It's a hell of a lot better than them receiving a bizzare recording of some cartoon fucking trolls bowing in the woods, that they'll scratch their head at and then never look at again.
That's how you handle a real death, in the real fucking world. Don't come into my recreational video game, going on about "This is our virtual worrrrrld! This is where we live and love and laugh and learn! So nobody gank us as we stand around in the Azzrape zone on the Pwnzor server or else you're a SOCIOPATH!" Bullshit, get the fuck off the football field with that shit if you don't want to get tackled out of your fucking shoes.
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"You're just a dick who quotes himself in his sig." -- Schild "Yeah, it's pretty awesome." -- Me
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