Gaymers force Blizzard into submission

[HaemishM]

I still hope for that. Today even.

Preferably with video cameras.

[cevik]

I still hope for that. Today even.

Preferably with video cameras.

I assure you that in grade school (much like now in your office), all the guys were secretly hoping two girls would kiss.  A lot. 

Perferably nude. 

Or in skin tight leather.

The parts in parens are important too..

[Lantyssa]

So you are promoting lesbianism now?  I thought you didn't want to see such things.

...

And y'all really thought that way in third grade?

[cevik]

And y'all really thought that way in third grade?

Yes.

EDIT:

So you are promoting lesbianism now?  I thought you didn't want to see such things.

He never once claimed to be an equal opportunity bigot.  He only cares about the Brokeback Mountain guys.  Chicks kissing is a totally different thing.  It's wholesome..

[Lantyssa]

I see.  Well there are plenty of women that think two men kissing is wholesome, too!

[cevik]

I see.  Well there are plenty of women that think two men kissing is wholesome, too!

Just for the record, in case you've forgotten, I've taken the stance that "People should screw who they want to screw, and they should not screw who they don't want to screw, and they should be damn proud of it" throughout this thread..

If a chick digs two guys kissing, and the guys enjoy the kissin'.. well then more power too all of them!

[Lantyssa]

I know you do, Cevik, and I appreciate your stance.  (Is capitalizing your name okay, or does that fall under the not being able to spell it clause?)  You're just the one providing the dialog I can have some fun with.

[cevik]

I know you do, Cevik, and I appreciate your stance.  (Is capitalizing your name okay, or does that fall under the not being able to spell it clause?)  You're just the one providing the dialog I can have some fun with.

It's really not meant to be, I've grown out of being annoyed by that a long time ago (mainly because 99% of mmogs do not let me have a lower case name)..

[Simond]

In Darnassus they cannot really change the lack of male guards because the Sentinals are the women left to defend their territory when the druids took a nap.

Which indirectly makes me think of Sparta.
Only, you know, with female elves who dance like Alizée instead of sweaty Greek men.

[Triforcer]

I've seen a lot of retarded arguments on this board, but somehow the debate about whether female NPCs kissing each other due to the Valentine event means homosexuality is in WoW lore wins Teh Stupid Prize by a healthy distance.

[Ironwood]

Yeah, but you started most of those retarded arguments on the boards, you muggins.

[tkinnun0]

It isn't a little insinuation in some obscure quest text, it's an integral part of game mechanics. What is there to debate? Besides of whether it's OK to discuss sexual orientations and not football in general chat, given that the former are in game and the latter isn't.

[HaemishM]

I've never heard two, one or really any NPC's in quest text discuss their need to have sweaty man-sex with their male cowboy friend. Hell, I've not really heard much that would indicate there's even heterosexual reproduction, and the only children I remember seeing are human. I guess all the other races reproduce asexually.

Two women kissing is sexy. Two men kissing is acceptable, but it isn't something I'll go out of my way to see. Matter of fact, it's something I really would rather not see. YOUR TASTE MAY VARY.

That said, you don't see me yelling in general chat that the wimmenz should get busy, nor do you see me telling the fairies to keep it in their pants. I don't want to know who you fancy in general chat, no matter who you are. Keep it zipped, keep it in tells, keep it away from the general hustle and bustle of stupid, so that I can more effectively ignore the discussion about whether protection specs generate more efficient rage-to-damage calculations.

[cevik]

I've never heard two, one or really any NPC's in quest text discuss their need to have sweaty man-sex with their male cowboy friend. Hell, I've not really heard much that would indicate there's even heterosexual reproduction, and the only children I remember seeing are human. I guess all the other races reproduce asexually.

There is an orphanage in Org full of orc children.

That said, you don't see me yelling in general chat that the wimmenz should get busy, nor do you see me telling the fairies to keep it in their pants. I don't want to know who you fancy in general chat, no matter who you are. Keep it zipped, keep it in tells, keep it away from the general hustle and bustle of stupid, so that I can more effectively ignore the discussion about whether protection specs generate more efficient rage-to-damage calculations.

Okay Mr. Pendantic.  Not one single person in this entire thread has even remotely indicated that the overblown hyperbole (the EXACT same thing you keep chastiing me for doing to your posts) you are proposing is acceptable.

We've simply said, saying GLBT Friendly doesn't hurt you in any way.  It doesn't even remotely let you know who the person is sleeping with.  In fact, the Guild Leader of one of the guilds in the articles is straight, so even thinking that you can infer who the person is sleeping with by them saying "GLBT Friendly" is absurd. 

[HaemishM]

I never said that saying there was a GLBT-friendly guild in general would hurt me. I said recruiting in general chat pisses me off, AND that recruiting in general chat for a GLBT-friendly guild was likely to cause a shitstorm of stupid homophobia in general chat, therby further poisoning an already odorous well of stupid.

It just so happened the homophobia was from Blizzard instead of the general retards of the WoW population. Yay Blizzard. Guild recruitment channel created, problem solved. Or just, you know, not mentioning what type of guild you were recruiting for in general, using private tells to really expound on it, and moving the fuck on with your life instead of crying like a wounded drama queen about how your special, unique gaylight was being hidden under a bushel. When it really wasn't.

I don't care who or what anyone fucks (within legal limits... unless you are a furry, then I hate you with the white-hot passion of the sun). I just also don't really care to fucking hear about it. EVER. ANYWHERE. Unless I ask for it.

Or pay for it.

[cevik]

I don't care who or what anyone fucks (within legal limits... unless you are a furry, then I hate you with the white-hot passion of the sun). I just also don't really care to fucking hear about it. EVER. ANYWHERE. Unless I ask for it.

And saying "in our guild, you can't say the words 'fag' or 'queer'" doesn't in any way let you know who anyone is fucking.

[HaemishM]

That's hardly all that is implied by saying "GLBT-friendly guild."

[cevik]

That's hardly all that is implied by saying "GLBT-friendly guild."

No, it's really not.

[Lantyssa]

There are also a couple of orc children scattered through the Barren's farms.  One kid and his mother have a real sad dialog...  In Ashenvale there is a sick night elf child as part of a quest line.  I am not sure how one could tell a gnome child from an adult.  I am sure dwarves just pop out of a rock.

There is the male Tauren /silly, which is perhaps a little questionable in taste.  Several of the other jokes poke fun at stereotypes though, so I cannot say I have been personally offended.

Not that these are in-your-face examples.

[HaemishM]

That's hardly all that is implied by saying "GLBT-friendly guild."

No, it's really not.

Yes, it really is.

[cevik]

That's hardly all that is implied by saying "GLBT-friendly guild."

No, it's really not.

Yes, it really is.

No, it's really not.

[Nevermore]

That's hardly all that is implied by saying "GLBT-friendly guild."

No, it's really not.

Yes, it really is.

No, it's really not.

It's nice to see the entirety of this thread summarized so succinctly.

[schild]

Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender.

Fag and Queer don't even scratch the surface. Point to Haemish.

[cevik]

Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender.

Fag and Queer don't even scratch the surface. Point to Haemish.

Yeah..

That was his point..

Suuuuuuuuurrrrrreee...

[Lantyssa]

Transgender tells you nothing about that person's sexual orientation.

The other three still do not tell you who they are sleeping with since that may very well be no one.

[schild]

Transgender tells you nothing about that person's sexual orientation.

Other than they don't like their own.

[Samwise]

You snotty-nosed heap of parrot droppings!

Oops, sorry, wrong thread.  I was looking for Abuse.

[Dren]

Perhaps I take things too literally, but I view the terms gay and lesbian the same way Haemish does.  When somebody mentions those terms to me I take them quite literally meaning:

Gay:  (Usually male) Men that have or would like to have sex with other men.
Lesbian: Women that have or would like to have sex with other women.
Straight (for comparison): People that have or would like to have sex with the opposite sex.

In either case it has everything to do with their sexual activities.  Even when those terms are used as describing Gay friendly, I still attach those definitions so now I hear:

"I am tolerant of men that have sex with other men."

If the complaint is that the way these people advertised their guild was with strictly sexual descriptions, I would have to agree.  Those terms are sexual in nature.  If people are using them as some new asexual term to describe partnership preference or something, I'm out of the loop.  I suggest they find some new words.

Before I get flamed on this, I will restate I could care less about banning anyone for this.  I don't think it was the right step and they got called on it.  However, my stance is that it would have been better to focus on the tolerance part rather than go into specifics about being gay or lesbian friendly because I do feel that leads many towards a conclusion that may not have been meant.

[cevik]

In either case it has everything to do with their sexual activities.  Even when those terms are used as describing Gay friendly, I still attach those definitions so now I hear:

"I am tolerant of men that have sex with other men."

That is exactly what the term Gay Friendly means.

I am Gay Friendly.

Now tell me the gender of the person I am sleeping with.

You can't, because THE ONLY THING THAT IS IMPLIED BY GLBT FRIENDLY IS THAT THE THE GUILD IS TOLERANT OF THOSE PEOPLE.

[Azazel]

Are we taking this one to 70 pages as well?

I hear that same-gender sexual acts are performed in a "twitch" style of gameplay.



Schild thinks this is a good thing (tm) and that we should all try it.

This in turn will bring down civilization as we know it.

[Dren]

In either case it has everything to do with their sexual activities.  Even when those terms are used as describing Gay friendly, I still attach those definitions so now I hear:

"I am tolerant of men that have sex with other men."

That is exactly what the term Gay Friendly means.

I am Gay Friendly.

Now tell me the gender of the person I am sleeping with.

You can't, because THE ONLY THING THAT IS IMPLIED BY GLBT FRIENDLY IS THAT THE THE GUILD IS TOLERANT OF THOSE PEOPLE.

You can scream all you want, but gay means gay and that is the focus of your statement.  You wanting people to think like you is great and all, but...  Why single out GLBT?  Why specifically state that?  Are they not tolerant of Asians?  Of Mexicans?  When they specifically state GLBT it says to me, "We have a special place in our hearts for these folks so that is what we are about."  I don't know if that is true or not, but that is what it says to me without looking into the guild charters and webpages.  It is a soundbite and I treat it as such by jumping to wild guesses and opinions.

I'm just telling you what my knee jerk thought in my head is to statements like GLBT friendly are, not what my actual response is.  My response is "/leave 1."  I'll state that ever so popular, "I have lots of friends and acquaintances that are gay."  When we are around them, they talk about being gay.  They let you know with every other phrase that they are gay, or that person over there is gay, that they plan to go to the gay bar later, etc.  Great.  Super.  Now, my instant reaction to hearing GLBT friendly is that the chat in that guild will be filled with talk about gay activities.  I am probably way off base, but that is my initial thought.  My initial thought is not going to change no matter how many capitalized words you through my way.

[cevik]

I am probably way off base, but that is my initial thought.  My initial thought is not going to change no matter how many capitalized words you through my way.

That's the interesting thing about initial thoughts.  They are often wrong.

[HaemishM]

What does GLBT Friendly mean when someone says it to me?

It means that that's probably going to be a guild full of people who are gay, bi, lesbian or transgender (or more transgender than not actually being able to know the gender of anyone you are playing with online, like you know, everyone esle). It sounds to me like a guild saying "Here we are my gay brothers and sisters, a place where gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people can be themselves and no one will mind."

It doesn't mean everyone is GLBT, but it does suggest to me there will be a higher proportion of OVERT GLBT's in the guild than in a regular guild. It suggests to me that the very identity of the guild is about being GLBT. Which is fine, all well and good, but would turn me off immediately, not because I have anything against any of those segments of people, but because I don't really care about the sexual preference of my guild members. I don't want to know, just like I don't want to know what most of you motherfuckers look like in real life. I just don't fucking want to know. Just like I never wanted to know about Bruce's furry luv, or Redfox's gay furry luv. It's stuff not relevant to the game.

If you are going to try and tell me that saying "I'm a gay man" is saying nothing about someone's sexual preferences, then you truly have turned Gay into a political identity. That's a very bad thing.

[cevik]

If you are going to try and tell me that saying "I'm a gay man" is saying nothing about someone's sexual preferences, then you truly have turned Gay into a political identity. That's a very bad thing.

I'm certainly not saying anything like that at all.  I'm saying that saying "GLBT Friendly" is NOT the same as saying "I'm a gay man"..

You sure don't stick to that pendantry you've been preaching the last few pages.  Interesting double standard.

[HaemishM]

GLBT friendly, as I said, implies a home for gay men, bisexuals, transgenders and lesbian women, and anyone who doesn't find that too icky. It most certainly does imply that somewhere in there will be a higher proportion of gay men than straight men. Which in essence makes the guild a "gay guild" because that's what they advertise as.

If the sexual preference part of the "friendly" wasn't the important bit, it wouldn't be in there. Otherwise, you'd just say a "tolerance" guild, or one that doesn't accept people who discriminate or some such. Maybe Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition guild.

Seriously, what would you expect if you heard an "African-American friendly" guild? Maybe you wouldn't, but I would expect that the majority would be African-Americans, or at least playing African-Americans on the Internet.