Gaymers force Blizzard into submission

[cevik]

Cevik, I ran a 100-person guild in EQ without ever once actively recruiting in an open channel. EVER. I never went into East Commonlands and /shouted "Guild recruiting" or anything of the like. I saw what happened to guilds who did that, they didn't last, and had hordes of training, kill-stealing, shit-starting, drama-queening mongoloids.

Remind me of what happened to that guild again?

I know of which I speak. If you can't recruit 20-40 people into a guild without spamming general chat channels, you shouldn't be running a guild. It isn't hard unless you are a fucking idiot, an anti-social twat, or a raging douchebag.

Yes, because you are a unique and special flower, ohh so much smarter than all the other mouthbreathers on the internet.  I know I know, I hear it from ya every day.

I agree that recruiting people via /1 is a silly idea, but people do it and it's often how the game is played.  The ONLY way I've recruited for a guild is by inviting people that I know, and know well.  Remember HD was "closed for recruiting" while the other guilds tried to amass armies against us by shouting in the Shadowbane cities.  I'm fully aware of what that does to a guild..

I also know that using death coil as an opener is a sure fire way to fuck your battle.  I know that the felhunter is a much better pet to use than a succy when you have soul link, and I know how to get into a hunters dead zone and eat him alive, but I'm not for banning warlocks that fail at these things.  Sometimes gameplay styles that I would never do are just as valid (or more valid) than the things I do.  Sometimes I know better ways to do things than other people, sometimes they know better ways to do things than I do.  It has been the status quo to allow guild recruiting in /1 until now, and I suggest, instead of banning everyone who did it, we ban the people like you who just can't handle it.

Adding a guild recruitment line was a fine UI enhancement.  Banning someone because their lifestyle might make others act like retards in /1 was a stupid move.

[HaemishM]

Cevik, I ran a 100-person guild in EQ without ever once actively recruiting in an open channel. EVER. I never went into East Commonlands and /shouted "Guild recruiting" or anything of the like. I saw what happened to guilds who did that, they didn't last, and had hordes of training, kill-stealing, shit-starting, drama-queening mongoloids.

Remind me of what happened to that guild again?

Still together and spanning multiple games. I left a long time ago because of where I felt the guild was going.

I know of which I speak. If you can't recruit 20-40 people into a guild without spamming general chat channels, you shouldn't be running a guild. It isn't hard unless you are a fucking idiot, an anti-social twat, or a raging douchebag.

Yes, because you are a unique and special flower, ohh so much smarter than all the other mouthbreathers on the internet.  I know I know, I hear it from ya every day.

Yes, so nice of you to notice. I'm comfortable with my snobbery.

I agree that recruiting people via /1 is a silly idea, but people do it and it's often how the game is played.  The ONLY way I've recruited for a guild is by inviting people that I know, and know well.  Remember HD was "closed for recruiting" while the other guilds tried to amass armies against us by shouting in the Shadowbane cities.  I'm fully aware of what that does to a guild..

I also know that using death coil as an opener is a sure fire way to fuck your battle.  I know that the felhunter is a much better pet to use than a succy when you have soul link, and I know how to get into a hunters dead zone and eat him alive, but I'm not for banning warlocks that fail at these things.  Sometimes gameplay styles that I would never do are just as valid (or more valid) than the things I do.  Sometimes I know better ways to do things than other people, sometimes they know better ways to do things than I do.  It has been the status quo to allow guild recruiting in /1 until now, and I suggest, instead of banning everyone who did it, we ban the people like you who just can't handle it.

I'd have never said anything to the person, because yes, I really do ignore most people in the game, which included turning off all the general channels. But I've more restraint than others, especially when the issue is a hot button one like homosexuality.

Adding a guild recruitment line was a fine UI enhancement. 

Yep.

Banning someone because their lifestyle might make others act like retards in /1 was a stupid move.

Yep, it sure as fuck was. Which is what I said earlier. But it was also a lot more efficient than trying to ban the multiples of retards that could have acted like retards when given the opportunity. Ban 1 or ban 20? I'm sure the CSR weighed those numbers and made the call they thought was right. It wasn't, and it caused a minor, forgettable PR ooboo. Again, things I've already said in this thread.

Paelos's point, which started this fight, was that there were somethings he didn't want to hear about in general. I'm the same way. Just because Blizzard doesn't actually give a shit to enforce those rules, even on RP servers, doesn't mean they shouldn't be enforced. I actually look forward to a day when an MMOG can be about the MMOG and not about the hot button political issues of the day. It's called Escapism. It's one of the reasons I play Role-playing games, or at least it was when there was still a chance of having roleplaying in MMOG's. What a week that was.

No one is scarred for life for hearing that someone else is gay, and no one has said that in thread, except you cevik.

[cevik]

No one is scarred for life for hearing that someone else is gay, and no one has said that in thread, except you cevik.

Were you always this stupidly pendantic?

[Lantyssa]

Paelos's point, which started this fight, was that there were somethings he didn't want to hear about in general. I'm the same way. Just because Blizzard doesn't actually give a shit to enforce those rules, even on RP servers, doesn't mean they shouldn't be enforced. I actually look forward to a day when an MMOG can be about the MMOG and not about the hot button political issues of the day. It's called Escapism. It's one of the reasons I play Role-playing games, or at least it was when there was still a chance of having roleplaying in MMOG's. What a week that was.

Until the rules are enforced evenly, it does not really matter what any of us does or does not want to hear in General.  There was never a burning issue until someone got banned for uttering "GLBT" in a neutral manner, which while perhaps well-meaning, was a stupid decision.

If someone wants to raise a fuss over the content of General Chat now, then they have shit for timing.  Like it or not, it lumps you with the homophobes that have no problems discriminating.

Even with solid reasoning for what you want, if it is not enforced equally then in practice it is discrimination.  And let us not kid ourselves, it would never be enforced equally.

[cevik]

Yep, it sure as fuck was. Which is what I said earlier. But it was also a lot more efficient than trying to ban the multiples of retards that could have acted like retards when given the opportunity. Ban 1 or ban 20? I'm sure the CSR weighed those numbers and made the call they thought was right. It wasn't, and it caused a minor, forgettable PR ooboo. Again, things I've already said in this thread.

Just to summarize:

Blizzard finds a person advertising a GLBT.  They decide to ban the person for conviences sake, because it's easier to ban 1 person who is not breaking the rules rather than ban the 20 mythical people who may one day break the rules.  The inevitable shitstorm ensues (cevik's faith in the word++).  Blizzard reverses the decision (cevik's faith in the word++).  The sane people of the world rejoice.  Paelos, the bigot, decides all gays are "deviants" (cevik's faith in the world--).  Krakkrok, in accordance with his name, decides allowing gay guilds means you have to let people cheat (cevik's faith in the world -= 0xFFFFFFFF).  Haemish insists that the right thing to do is to ban the one person who is not breaking the rules because there may in some nebulous future be 20 mythical people who may one day break the rules.. even though that's exactly what Blizzard did in the first place, and it caused a shitstorm, which caused Blizzard to change their minds because they realized they were being mentally deficient (cevik's faith in Haemish = cevik's faith in Haemish (sorry, there was no where for you to sink, so you pretty much stayed the same)).

In the mean time, sarius came along and proclaimed that being "gay" is political, proving to the world that if his side supported gay rights, sarius would gladly let himself be sodomized nightly by well hung young men just to prove those dirty Democrats wrong (cevik's faith in the world += lol)..

Got it.

[Samwise]

cevik's faith in the world -= 0xFFFFFFFF

I hope you're using a long int there.

[Paelos]

Wheels on the bus go round and round.

[Krakrok]

Krakkrok, in accordance with his name, decides allowing gay guilds means you have to let people cheat (cevik's faith in the world -= 0xFFFFFFFF). 

You're advocating freedom of expression. I'm advocating freedom of expression. If your freedom infringes on my freedom then I have a problem. You apparently don't have a problem infringing on my freedom because "You're right!". I, however, am not advocating infringing on your freedom. Which brings us back to "You're a hypocrite!".

Additionally, you seem to be incapable of communicating simple ideas such as this without devolving into personal attacks and seem unable to accept that people have a difference of opinion than your own. You aren't trying to constructively change peoples opinions or even find middle ground. You're trying to bash their heads in with a rock for disagreeing with you even when your own position is flawed.

This fortune cookie brought too you by Willy Wong's Chinese Fortune Company.

[Samwise]

You're advocating freedom of expression. I'm advocating freedom of expression. If your freedom infringes on my freedom then I have a problem.

I must have missed something.  Could you explain which freedoms of yours are being infringed upon?

[Ironwood]

This is why you MUST NOT use the word deviant in a thread unless you're talking about Bruce.

ARg.

8 Pages.  Give it up.

[Dren]

EDIT:  Furthermore I'm not saying that you EVER have to LISTEN TO ANYONE about how they like to "do it".  I'm saying that the 4 letters GLBT and the word Friendly aren't fucking worth getting sand in your vagina you PC whiner.

So just put words into an acronym and their meaning is completely lost?  It still means what it means.

I never said I was bothered by it.  I said I type /leave 1.  End of story.  I haven't seen General chat except for the few times I forget to leave on new alts.  I'm quickly reminded to do so about 15 minutes into leveling though.

I don't think anyone should have been banned.  The guild channel is fine, but not necessary.  General sucks regardless.  Now you'll just have people advertise guilds in General and then listen to them fight with people telling them to go to the guild channel for hours.  Progress.

[HaemishM]

Haemish insists that the right thing to do is to ban the one person who is not breaking the rules because there may in some nebulous future be 20 mythical people who may one day break the rules..

Actually, I said it was stupid yet more efficient. Please learn to read better. I never said it was right.

What's right and what's reality aren't really always the same thing.

I also said it was stupid to advertise for guilds in general chat, and that general chat could use an enema. In every game ever.

And finally, I never really want to hear about who someone else is fucking, or how they are fucking. That's one reason I hate furries, because they feel it their duty to tell me how they fucked a man in a kangaroo costume last night. That's none of my business. A player who I've never met, isn't my friend and isn't in my guild should not be telling me he's gay, straight, a furry or whatever, because that's none of my business and I don't want to know. If I get to know him and he mentions his boyfriend/wife or whatever that's fine, but I don't need to know the particulars of their sex life (such as if he's a furry).

None of that matters in a game, since I'm not going to be cybering any of them ever.

Yes, people should be able to talk about a Gay-friendly guild in public without retards going homo-bashing. But then, if they could do that, they wouldn't really need a GLBT-friendly guild, now would they?

[Hoax]

Paelos's point, which started this fight, was that there were somethings he didn't want to hear about in general. I'm the same way. Just because Blizzard doesn't actually give a shit to enforce those rules, even on RP servers, doesn't mean they shouldn't be enforced. I actually look forward to a day when an MMOG can be about the MMOG and not about the hot button political issues of the day. It's called Escapism. It's one of the reasons I play Role-playing games, or at least it was when there was still a chance of having roleplaying in MMOG's. What a week that was.

Until the rules are enforced evenly, it does not really matter what any of us does or does not want to hear in General.  There was never a burning issue until someone got banned for uttering "GLBT" in a neutral manner, which while perhaps well-meaning, was a stupid decision.

If someone wants to raise a fuss over the content of General Chat now, then they have shit for timing.  Like it or not, it lumps you with the homophobes that have no problems discriminating.

Even with solid reasoning for what you want, if it is not enforced equally then in practice it is discrimination.  And let us not kid ourselves, it would never be enforced equally.

READ HER FUCKING POST THIS THREAD IS OVER


General sucks
-agreed
Guild recruitment in general sucks
-agreed
Guild's spamming stupid RL recruitment adverts annoys me
-fine I understand that position

But this line right here is perfect, and sums up exactly why this thread isn't being dropped:

"If someone wants to raise a fuss over the content of General Chat now, then they have shit for timing.  Like it or not, it lumps you with the homophobes that have no problems discriminating."

Cevik, you are being a obvious fucking tool, Haemish I'm insulted if you think I dont realize he was trolling, but you were also refusing to read my entire posts, or I was failing to make sense.  You continue to do that, and it continues to bother me.  You finish up retorting to my last post with this gem:

No, we are telling people that shit which has nothing to do with the game should be kept in private areas like guild chat, or tells, or group chat. Just like I don't want to hear water cooler chat played over the office intercom, or the descriptions of someone's date played over a loudspeaker at the mall, I don't want to hear whether someone is gay IN REAL LIFE within the confines of a game's general chat channels. Just like I don't want to hear fuckheaded political arguments or shitfits about someone's RP or not-RP name in general chat channels.

This is right after you have finally accepted THAT THERE WAS NO FUCKING GUILD RECRUITMENT CHANNEL IN THE GODDAMN GAME AT THE TIME OF THIS WHOLE THING.

You want that to be a fucking rule?  Fine by me, but it will never be a rule.  People will still bring RL into the game because they aren't fucking RP'ers and they'll do it in general chat.  You want all the Steelers fans banned after the superbowl for spamming up general?  Not going to fucking happen.  Like Lantyssa said, a "No RL references in general non-private (say/general) channels is allowed" would NEVER EVER IN A MILLION FUCKING YEARS be enforced equally.

[HaemishM]

Yes, I'm quite aware cevik is trolling. That was obvious oh, 10 seconds after his first post.

I take exception to anyone considering me a homophobe, or even lumping me in with them. Thus, this post is 8 miles long. As for not shitting up general chat being a rule, yeah I'd love that to be a rule. It isn't even that it wouldn't be enforced equally, it just wouldn't be enforced. Doing so in any manner would take an assload of time and effort that GM's can't and probably won't do.

But I think you start to control the issue by 1) banning motherfuckers you do find breaking the rules of general chat and 2) posting their stupid, dumbass faces and names on the game MOTD's along with a transciption of their crimes. You don't have to ban 100 if one example stops 99 from repeating the mistakes of the past. Perception is reality and if the perception is that people get banned for saying stupid fucking shit in general, there will be fewer incidents. Not only that, the people who don't shit up general chat will then feel more compelled to report stupid shit in general chat because the perception will be that something is actually being done.

But again, this is also why griefers don't get banned. CS is expensive, and until it becomes an issue that hits the bottom line, no one gives a shit except the person being griefed.

[Rasix]

But I think you start to control the issue by 1) banning motherfuckers you do find breaking the rules of general chat and 2) posting their stupid, dumbass faces and names on the game MOTD's along with a transciption of their crimes. You don't have to ban 100 if one example stops 99 from repeating the mistakes of the past. Perception is reality and if the perception is that people get banned for saying stupid fucking shit in general, there will be fewer incidents. Not only that, the people who don't shit up general chat will then feel more compelled to report stupid shit in general chat because the perception will be that something is actually being done. 

Do you know how really batshit insane that sounds?* Reality and context are two aspects of this you need to grasp (can be gathered from posts you're ignoring).

*Yes, I consider Stalin a poor choice for modeling CS practices.

[Triforcer]

But I think you start to control the issue by 1) banning motherfuckers you do find breaking the rules of general chat and 2) posting their stupid, dumbass faces and names on the game MOTD's along with a transciption of their crimes. You don't have to ban 100 if one example stops 99 from repeating the mistakes of the past. 

Not to quibble, but this might actually make things worse.  To a 14 year old cockmuffineteer, all attention is good attention- if you are going to go out, your name and words in MOTD is an incentive to go out big.

[HaemishM]

Yes, I reailze how bad it sounds. And yes, the cockmuffin might like the attention. If he's banned, and you actually make the ban stick by tying account into name/credit card/address combos, it won't matter anyway.

Stalin would have used a bullet. I just let them be someone else's problem.

[Azazel]

Really, we should just remove zonewide chat channels, they only lead to more problems.

Here's a solution for ya. Turn the fucking things off. Then leave them off. Then it's marginally harder for anyone to break your immersion in your role-playing fantasy world with their non-rp, non-orc-related chatz0r and you can continue to RP in peace.


different post:

I don't think anyone has the right to recruit for guilds in general. Him, me, anyone the fuck else. Because that brings up drooling retards to join your guild.
Blizzard let it happen, it caused a minor PR shitstorm, they took it out of general.

I do notice you never made a noise about it or seemed to give a sideways flying shit about it here until teh gayz0rz used it for that purpose. How long's WoW been live and this shit's been happening now? Oh yeah, only 14-15 months. It became a burning passionate issue for you, what? 2 weeks ago?


from another different post:

Cevik, I ran a 100-person guild in EQ without ever once actively recruiting in an open channel. EVER. I never went into East Commonlands and /shouted "Guild recruiting" or anything of the like. I saw what happened to guilds who did that, they didn't last, and had hordes of training, kill-stealing, shit-starting, drama-queening mongoloids.

I know of which I speak. If you can't recruit 20-40 people into a guild without spamming general chat channels, you shouldn't be running a guild. It isn't hard unless you are a fucking idiot, an anti-social twat, or a raging douchebag.

Sure, but EQ1 as you well know had a very different landscape and social feel to it. To echo Braddles, community was important in EQ. You needed groups, you needed guilds once you got to a certain point to do anything. In WoW, not only can you solo to 60 without ever grouping once, the game is infested with people who'd never have touched the game if it were not for Blizzard's hand. The b.net kiddies, the Blizz fanbois that Schild so loves. So many people who've never set foot in one of these games before in their lives. The social/guild norms in WoW are so far off of EQ's that it's not funny. Getting spammed randomly constantly with wordless guild invites for any character over level 5? Shit it happened the other day to 2 of my level 1 mules in IF. Morons shouting for guild recruitment in /1 has been happening since the start, and it's still happening even with the new channel in place.

While you or I or probably most anyone here wouldn't join random_guild_041 who is spamming, the newbies to the game/genre see it and don't know any better, and with 5.5m people in the game, the lowest common denominator is pretty fucking low.

[HaemishM]

Sure, but EQ1 as you well know had a very different landscape and social feel to it. To echo Braddles, community was important in EQ. You needed groups, you needed guilds once you got to a certain point to do anything. In WoW, not only can you solo to 60 without ever grouping once, the game is infested with people who'd never have touched the game if it were not for Blizzard's hand. The b.net kiddies, the Blizz fanbois that Schild so loves. So many people who've never set foot in one of these games before in their lives. The social/guild norms in WoW are so far off of EQ's that it's not funny. Getting spammed randomly constantly with wordless guild invites for any character over level 5? Shit it happened the other day to 2 of my level 1 mules in IF. Morons shouting for guild recruitment in /1 has been happening since the start, and it's still happening even with the new channel in place.

While you or I or probably most anyone here wouldn't join random_guild_041 who is spamming, the newbies to the game/genre see it and don't know any better, and with 5.5m people in the game, the lowest common denominator is pretty fucking low.

The LCD in EQ was pretty fucking low. I know because I was the one usually had to tell them nicely that they didn't fit my guild. The only difference is you'd probably get MORE applications. So long as one guild member is grouping with people not in the guild, AND there are parts of the game where groups are required, you should never have to shout in open channels about guild recruitment.

It wasn't an issue for me before this because 1) I never noticed it because I turned all general chat off after the first day, and 2) no one ever got banned for it. That still doesn't mean it wasn't there, and wasn't spamming up places. Wouldn't it be nice if the gay-friendly guild never had to worry about being gay-bashed in an MMOG? Yeah, it'd be nice in the same way that it'd be nice if I could have general chat channels on without being washed in mongoloid mind-jism.

[Azazel]

Yep it was pretty fucking low. Here, it's even lower. The other thing to remember is social mores. In EQ, people did spam the general channels when recruiting for their guilds, but it seemed to be less prevalent. Probably because by the time that we got Nexus then PoK which gave the playerbse a nice central place (besides Thurgadin) to live, people were already used to recruiting primarily by word of mouth.

In WoW, we started with nice central places to recruit (IF/Org) and no established social mores. Now, a year+ on, and spamming chat is how it's always been and various mixed shit in general has always been this way from EQ1 at the very least and I'd hazard pretty much everything that's gone before or since. That also includes everything before you and (Paelos, and Krakhead, and so forth) ever logged into your first MMOanything.

But, you know, if you want to play games where you "could have general chat channels on without being washed in mongoloid mind-jism" then might I suggest that the MMOG genre is not the one for you. I'm not a fan of the mouth-breathers either, yet, somehow I continue to live. Life sucks like that. Get a helmet or get used to it.

Finally, to quote my old mate Paelos:

Wheels on the bus go round and round.

[cevik]

Haemish insists that the right thing to do is to ban the one person who is not breaking the rules because there may in some nebulous future be 20 mythical people who may one day break the rules..

Actually, I said it was stupid yet more efficient.

Again with the moronic pendantry.  Okay, and you might have had a point that is was more "efficient".. had Blizzard not tried EXACTLY what you say is the "more efficient" thing to do and ended up with a PR shitstorm that wormed it's way into the national media and resulted in weeks of heated debate and rapamant retardation in /1 on EVERY SERVER and on the message boards that eventually resulted in the decision being overturned.

But don't let facts get in the way of your Stupidity.  You keep on saying that being assholes is the "efficient" thing to do.

[HaemishM]

I'm not a fan of the mouth-breathers either, yet, somehow I continue to live.

So do I. Get your own fucking helmet, mine's taken.

[Morfiend]

This thread is AWSOME. Awsome I tell you. Keep it up boys.

Anyway. The only thing I think any one should be banned for in /1 is that god damn fucking stupid ass Chuck Norris shit. ARRRGGGG. Thats gota be one of the worst internet fads ever.

[cevik]

This thread is AWSOME. Awsome I tell you. Keep it up boys.

I consider it my art, much like some people consider shitting on a crayon drawing of Jesus their art.

Anyway. The only thing I think any one should be banned for in /1 is that god damn fucking stupid ass Chuck Norris shit. ARRRGGGG. Thats gota be one of the worst internet fads ever.

Great news!  Chuck Norris is quickly being replaced with MacGyver!

[Lantyssa]

Ugh.  You just had to bring him up, didn't you? 

I have a new solution:  General should be off by default.  Buried through five layers of convoluted interface options to reach.  If you manage to turn it on, you can say what you want.

[ClydeJr]

I don't think I would mind the Chuck Norris crap that much if they were at least somewhat original. Unfortunately I hear the same damn tired quote about him roundhouse kicking his way out of his mother's womb all the time. The worst is when Barrens chat is nice and semi-quiet and some assmonkey says some stupid shit like "Has anyone seen Chuck Norris?" Then is like those seagulls from Finding Nemo take over the keyboards: NorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorris...

[Azazel]

So do I. Get your own fucking helmet, mine's broken.

fixed for you

[Jayce]

I don't think I would mind the Chuck Norris crap that much if they were at least somewhat original. Unfortunately I hear the same damn tired quote about him roundhouse kicking his way out of his mother's womb all the time. The worst is when Barrens chat is nice and semi-quiet and some assmonkey says some stupid shit like "Has anyone seen Chuck Norris?" Then is like those seagulls from Finding Nemo take over the keyboards: NorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorrisNorris...

I blame Conan.

[O'Brien, not the Destroyer]

[tkinnun0]

So how exactly is advertising for a GLBT-friendly guild helping serve the lore? Oh wait, IT ISN'T.

Just a quick nit to pick here.

I was having lesbian kisses with female patrons during the Winter's Veil event and my character is a male in a female's body. Given there's there's a rubber ball you can throw to another player, that makes American football, gays and lesbians all part of the game.

[HaemishM]

FOAD.

You and your characters are not part of the established lore of the game as written by the devs. You can throw all the lesbian kisses you want, or toss around a pigskin, it still doesn't change the established lore. If it did, we'd be talking about an entirely different game here.

Tossing around a pigskin that looks like an American football doesn't make it American football, because there ain't no America in Azeroth.

[tkinnun0]

I'll concede American football.

However, you must have misunderstood the lesbian kisses. During the Christmas event, lesbian kisses rewarded me with http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52346 just as well as straight kisses. Complete with identical particle effects. So not only is being gay, lesbian, straight or bisexual part of game mechanics, it's part of the lore now, and probably always was.

I didn't have time to test it during Valentine's Day event, but I guess wearing cologne (http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52983) instead of perfume (http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52984) would have made me irresistible to the female NPCs.

[Lantyssa]

I didn't have time to test it during Valentine's Day event, but I guess wearing cologne (http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52983) instead of perfume (http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=52984) would have made me irresistible to the female NPCs.

It did.

Since all of Darnassus is guarded by female Sentinals, Iron Forge by male dwarves, and there are only a few female guards in Stormwind, it was required to do the full event.

[HaemishM]

So in other words, the lore doesn't give two fucks about whether you are straight or gay. Gotcha.

Explain to me again how it then helps establish the lore to talk about homosexuality? Oh it doesn't, because the lore makes no differentiation and doesn't care what persuasion you are and neither do I.

[Lantyssa]

Pretty much.

In regards to Lore, I think there is no intention of implying anything one way or another.  Blizzard would simply prefer it never be an issue.  (Ideally I agree, but since things do not work that way, we get the contents of this thread.)

In Darnassus they cannot really change the lack of male guards because the Sentinals are the women left to defend their territory when the druids took a nap.  In the other cities they probably were not going to bother, if they even considered, changing NPCs that have been in place since the game launched for a two week period.

The Valentine's event was about exchanging treats (and stopping a mad alchemist).  We did that in grade school without much care for who gave whom a bit of candy.  The only thing it promoted was having a bit of fun.

[cevik]

The Valentine's event was about exchanging treats (and stopping a mad alchemist).  We did that in grade school without much care for who gave whom a bit of candy.  The only thing it promoted was having a bit of fun.

I assure you that in grade school (much like now in your office), all the guys were secretly hoping two girls would kiss.  A lot. 

Perferably nude. 

Or in skin tight leather.