Gaymers force Blizzard into submission

[Margalis]

Again, the shittalkers ARE WRONG. But that doesn't stop them from talking shit, causing trouble and bringing an entire line of stupid shit into a game that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME.

It does when that's against the terms of service and your account can be terminated for it.

[Lantyssa]

The only reason this is an issue is because homosexuals are the only minority that is still repressed and denied rights in places like the U.S. (On a large scale.) Name any other minority that can be called names in public and that is denied access to things every other minority has. (like marriage.)

If you want to get techincal, then transsexuals.

While most of the gay-movement has adopted them due to overlapping concerns (and strength in numbers), there are a lot of differences between them.   To the point that some gays react with a lot of hostility towards transfolk.  Many places that have protection clauses for sexual orientation lack one for gender identification.  There are other aspects in the law that differ as well, some that actually benefit a couple with one being a TS over a gay one.

On a more emotional level, most people understand homosexuality even if they have a knee-jerk reaction to it.  Almost no one can comprehend what the transsexual is feeling and only a whole lot of dialog, which requires a rather open mind, is going to change that.

Being a much smaller minority ([very] roughly 1/10 versus 1/300 from what I remember), they also make a less tempting target to bash.

[tkinnun0]

go into Ironforge and say, "Brokeback Mountain deserves all the Oscars."

I tried that, but either no-one noticed or cared, there only seemed to be some talk about football. Could be that the movie is just not very known, because frankly, wild wild west and cowboys just suck. Yay, dust, shantytowns and the daily threat of violence.

Just seems to me that you'd like speech to be as free or freer on European and Asian servers than on American servers.

I have to try a line about abortion later tonight. Is "No woman should be denied abortion" good enough?

[Azazel]

I'm still posting because Haemish is doing a great Schild impression and refusing to admit when he's wrong.

The funny thing here is that Haemish is usually such a good anti-Schild.

The saddest thing is that black people have no problem hating gays, and women had no problem hating black people. You would figure that a formerly oppressed group would have sympathy for other oppressed groups - but you'd be dead wrong. They can turn right around and hate with the best of them. Everybody wants somebody below them they can pick on.

Maybe I'll go retro: I hate black people. I'm 50s style! Now call me a bigot and I'll get all offended! How dare you call me a bigot for hating blacks!!!! Ruffians!

Well, for the moment as well as Gay people, you also have Islamic people specifically and all people of Mid-eastern descent in general to go hatin' on. Though the fuckin' A-rabs have legal protection.

Anyway, it happened, and Blizz created the GLBT recruitment channel as a response. Game Over. Why are we still talking about this shit? If we're beating off dead horses, can we talk about that SOE Forum Chick turned flavour-of-the-week porn slut instead? How's her website traffic and blogging going now that noone gives a toss anymore?



Oh, and it's so nice to be posting back on this forum. I was just on one of my Warhammer/Miniatures forums, and you have to play nice with the fucking idiot element there. Also, no foul language or flaming.

[cevik]

Thanks to an interesting error in quote tags, there is a quote in the post above this that is attributed to me, that I didn't actually say.  Though it is something I agree with, I just didn't say it.  I did, upon reading the quote do a quick inventory of my stash, to see if any of the more esoteric pills (the ones that can result in large amounts of lost time and posts that I do not even remotely recall) were missing. 

Thankfully, they are all still there, ready for a nice long weekend in Vegas.. right next to the halloween lizard tail and the tape recorder..

[Margalis]

Yeah that was me, not you.

It just gets tiresome to see people make the same mistakes over and over and over again in all walks of life. Work, politics, civil rights, etc. People can be amazing blockheads - be wrong about something 100 times in a row then convince themselves that the 101st time they just *must* be right even though they are using the exact same logic as the first 100 times. There is always some group to hate for whatever reason that makes no sense. In this case it's men taking it up the ass. Wow, that really makes a HUGE difference in my everyday life damn those homosexuals and their radical agenda!

More on-topic, creating a gay recruitment channel is silly. A solution in search of a problem. What was the original problem here anyway? That gay people were advertising a gay-friendly guild.

What about oldsters advertising a guild for people that can only play on Saturday nights?

I don't see how this was ever an issue other than Blizzard stupidly made it an issue for no good reason. I doubt it was because they are anti-gay though -  just dumb.

It's really sad to think that gay players need a dedicated channel because they would get harrassed if they didn't have it. Of course the right thing to do would be ban the harassers but that would mean lost $.

[Azazel]

Yeah, that's my quotetag fuckup there. Also the last bit attributed to margalis is my own text.

Also, it's not a gay recruitment channel. It's a guild recruitment channel. For anyone and everyone..

[Margalis]

That's what I thought they said they were going to do. Having a dedicated recruitment channel is not bad but this being the catalyst is still a bit odd.

[Mesozoic]

More on-topic, creating a gay recruitment channel is silly.

I dunno, I was starting to wonder where they were all coming from.

[sarius]

Arg.  Gassing Jews.  Why does it always come back to Gassing Jews.

 

Guilt? 

[Ironwood]

"In Govan we do not gas our Jews."

I have no guilt.  I don't think the current generation should have any guilt either.  I do not believe in Sins of the Father.

[cevik]

I do not believe in Sins of the Father.

You only share those sins if you do not learn from them...

[sarius]

"In Govan we do not gas our Jews."

I have no guilt.  I don't think the current generation should have any guilt either.  I do not believe in Sins of the Father.

Agree.  But I also don't agree with someone continually pushing their sexuality in my face to the point where it defines everything that they are as a individual.  Do I really need to know who or what you have sex with in a video game?

Oh, and when you racist motherfuckers really get enlightened, I'll introduce you to my girlfriend from Orion!

[Ironwood]

I do not believe in Sins of the Father.

You only share those sins if you do not learn from them...

I totally agree.  Which is why jailing that British Fuck (TM) who denied the holocaust was so important.

[Azazel]

Agree.  But I also don't agree with someone continually pushing their sexuality in my face to the point where it defines everything that they are as a individual.  Do I really need to know who or what you have sex with in a video game?

Oh, and when you racist motherfuckers really get enlightened, I'll introduce you to my girlfriend from Orion!

This is my girlfriend, don't tell whatsisname the Starwars/UO fanboi though, he'll be upset and jealous.


I've also got a problem with anyone pushing their anything into my face, but letting teh gays have their own guild isn't something I take offence to any more than teh Jesuphiles doing the same. Their guildchat isn't in general chat, so what the fuck do I care?

And yes, I'm only posting this continuation of the dead horse as an excuse to post the pic of the half-naked green starwars chick...
note the firm grip she has on the shaft. of the lightsaber. Hm.. pointy starwars nipples, too.


edit - spellings ftw!

[Margalis]

Kind of a butterface. And definitely a butterhead.

[Azazel]

Haven't heard those terms before. They mean....?

[Margalis]

"Butterface" is a play on "but her face" as in "everything on her is nice but her face". I tend to use it on girls that do look kind of buttery. (A shiny face with some babyfat)

Butterhead is just a dumb term I just made up as a play on butterface. Because her head has those tubes growing out of it.

[Ironwood]

I am given to understand that the actress is question is actually prettier without the transition into Twi'lek.

[Azazel]

Having just now done some "research" on said actress, she comes up as looking alternately attractive and hideous in the various photos. I did have to ask about "butterface" though, because some guesses on WTF it meant were ..less classy than others.

[HaemishM]

I am given to understand that the actress is question is actually prettier without the transition into Twi'lek.

You just caused strokes in 30% of the Star Wars fanbois out there.

[Lantyssa]

Agree.  But I also don't agree with someone continually pushing their sexuality in my face to the point where it defines everything that they are as a individual.  Do I really need to know who or what you have sex with in a video game?

Oh, and when you racist motherfuckers really get enlightened, I'll introduce you to my girlfriend from Orion!

Thank you for pushing your sexuality on me.

Amazingly, It works both ways.

[Ironwood]

I am given to understand that the actress is question is actually prettier without the transition into Twi'lek.

You just caused strokes in 30% of the Star Wars fanbois out there.

Which means I may have killed Nutsack.  Which is like the letter that comes in telling me I may already be a winner in the Bookclub Sweepstake.

[sarius]

Agree.  But I also don't agree with someone continually pushing their sexuality in my face to the point where it defines everything that they are as a individual.  Do I really need to know who or what you have sex with in a video game?

Oh, and when you racist motherfuckers really get enlightened, I'll introduce you to my girlfriend from Orion!

Thank you for pushing your sexuality on me.

Amazingly, It works both ways.

Ah, exactly where did I describe what my sexual leanings were?  I simply stated she was my girlfriend.  I'm sure you've many girlfriends without having sex with them...?  You cannot reasonably even discern my orientation from that passage.  That was really the point of my quip.

Point is, I never, and neither do most I know, see the need to walk into a MUD, MOO, or MMOG and spout off personal information, much less who or what I have sex with, on any level.  There are plenty of 'adult' entertainment centers throughout the Internet.  Just check into any IRC and see how they've all gone to hell in the last 20 years.  WoW or any MMOG that doesn't cater to an exclusively adult audience should be able to set standards of conduct that exclude sexuality being introduced into their game.  Just because someone may believe being homosexual grants you 'rights' doesn't mean it grants you ownership of Blizzard.

We had a new person join the guild the other night who wanted to describe their past 5 years of love history to someone else in the EQ2 section of our ventrilo during play.  Collectively, a good 10 people told them to make a channel because it was TMI.  'We' wanted to play a game.  'We' are not there to be their counselor, boy/girlfriend, or confidant.  Take it, and the recruitment of people based upon whatever 'it' is, somewhere else, IMO.

[Ironwood]

  I'm sure you've many girlfriends without having sex with them...? 

Yes.  All of them.  Bitches.

[cevik]

Ah, exactly where did I describe what my sexual leanings were?  I simply stated she was my girlfriend.  I'm sure you've many girlfriends without having sex with them...?  You cannot reasonably even discern my orientation from that passage.  That was really the point of my quip.

So to summarize:

Mentioning your Boyfriend is "ZOMG STOP PUSHING YOUR SEXUALITY ON ME"

Mentioning your Girlfriend is "perfectly acceptable behavior"..

And not respecting your right to hate gays is "intolerant"..

I love bizarro world.. it's my favorite world of them all..

[Lantyssa]

Thank you for pushing your sexuality on me.

Amazingly, It works both ways.

Ah, exactly where did I describe what my sexual leanings were?  I simply stated she was my girlfriend.  I'm sure you've many girlfriends without having sex with them...?  You cannot reasonably even discern my orientation from that passage.  That was really the point of my quip.

Point is, I never, and neither do most I know, see the need to walk into a MUD, MOO, or MMOG and spout off personal information, much less who or what I have sex with, on any level.  There are plenty of 'adult' entertainment centers throughout the Internet.  Just check into any IRC and see how they've all gone to hell in the last 20 years.  WoW or any MMOG that doesn't cater to an exclusively adult audience should be able to set standards of conduct that exclude sexuality being introduced into their game.  Just because someone mat believe being homosexual grants you 'rights' doesn't mean it grants you ownership of Blizzard.

We had a new person join the guild the other night who wanted to describe their past 5 years of love history to someone else in the EQ2 section of our ventrilo during play.  Collectively, a good 10 people told them to make a channel because it was TMI.  'We' wanted to play a game.  'We' are not there to be their counselor, boy/girlfriend, or confidant.  Take it, and the recruitment of people based upon whatever 'it' is, somewhere else, IMO.

I suppose the half of my quip being tongue-in-cheek was lost, however your rebuttal kind of fuels my real point.

Someone saying they are gay has no more meaning than saying "I am male and attracted to men" (or "female attracted to women" or what have you).  Nothing more is implied.  They may not have had a relationship, may be celibate, may be like most couples and have sex once a week, or they may fuck like bunnies.  But none of us know that from simply saying they are gay.

It is not akin to giving you their sexual history.

As for your use of "my girlfriend", the vast majority of people are going to interpret that statement as "this is my female partner".  Given the context of only what you said, whether correct or not in the assumption, further most will think "Sarius is male and this is his female partner".  Given the proper context they might take it as "female friend".  To give that impression you need to use "female friend" or "girl [space] friend".  As one word it implies a relationship.

Sure you may be technically correct, but people do not think that way.  What it comes down to is the only difference in your statement and someone saying they are gay is the genes of whom the speaker is attracted to.

Out of curiosity, when you wrote it, although probably off-hand and without much thought, were you thinking "girlfriend" as in a trophy babe hanging off your arm or as in a gal pal you hang out with?

[Margalis]

The average hetero male probably makes it perfectly clear that they are hetero 20 times a day. They just don't realize it because it seems normal.

[sarius]

I suppose the half of my quip being tongue-in-cheek was lost, however your rebuttal kind of fuels my real point.

Someone saying they are gay has no more meaning than saying "I am male and attracted to men" (or "female attracted to women" or what have you).  Nothing more is implied.  They may not have had a relationship, may be celibate, may be like most couples and have sex once a week, or they may fuck like bunnies.  But none of us know that from simply saying they are gay.

It is not akin to giving you their sexual history.

Guess we'll agree to disagree here.  Until I commonly see rampant guilds running around WoW screaming, "recruiting for heterosexual friendly guild here!", it is a statement of your sexuality.  It's almost 3pm here in the day, I've probably met eight new people today, and I cannot remember having the need to tell anyone my sexuality once.

As for your use of "my girlfriend", the vast majority of people are going to interpret that statement as "this is my female partner".  Given the context of only what you said, whether correct or not in the assumption, further most will think "Sarius is male and this is his female partner".  Given the proper context they might take it as "female friend".  To give that impression you need to use "female friend" or "girl [space] friend".  As one word it implies a relationship.

Sure you may be technically correct, but people do not think that way.  What it comes down to is the only difference in your statement and someone saying they are gay is the genes of whom the speaker is attracted to.

Out of curiosity, when you wrote it, although probably off-hand and without much thought, were you thinking "girlfriend" as in a trophy babe hanging off your arm or as in a gal pal you hang out with?

No, I was thinking of baiting the same trap that I see so many 'ual'/'ism' personalities desire in order to fulfill their place in the universe apparently.  Call me odd-out, but I fail to see if someone believes that it is typical to have homosexuals in existence how they then believe that the need for overt drama based upon a person's sexuality is justified.

[cevik]

No, I was thinking of baiting the same trap that I see so many 'ual'/'ism' personalities desire in order to fulfill their place in the universe apparently.  Call me odd-out, but I fail to see if someone believes that it is typical to have homosexuals in existence how they then believe that the need for overt drama based upon a person's sexuality is justified.

Wait just a minute, you are the one causing the overt drama.  We are saying "let them say they are gay, it doesn't hurt anything" you are saying "OMGZ WTF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT PUSHES THEIR SEXUALITY IN OUR FACE!! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH STOP BEING SO DRAMATIC!!!!"

None of us are saying wether or not we believe homosexuality is normal, typical, abnormal, peachy keen or any other adjective.  None of us are being dramatic.  We are saying "let the person say 'I am gay' and stop freaking out you closet homo"..

You can't go around throwing big dramatic fits then demanding everyone else stop being so dramatic all the time..

[Lantyssa]

Thank you, Cevik.

[Hoax]

Seriously, Sarius, fuck you.

This thread was probably one of the better things that ever happened on the internet, people learned, forgave, and dropped their stupid semantic laden arguments.

[Azazel]

Unfortunately, this was the hottest male Twi'Lek I could find. If you look, he's bulging in all the right places though...

[HaemishM]

No, I was thinking of baiting the same trap that I see so many 'ual'/'ism' personalities desire in order to fulfill their place in the universe apparently.  Call me odd-out, but I fail to see if someone believes that it is typical to have homosexuals in existence how they then believe that the need for overt drama based upon a person's sexuality is justified.

Wait just a minute, you are the one causing the overt drama.  We are saying "let them say they are gay, it doesn't hurt anything" you are saying "OMGZ WTF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT PUSHES THEIR SEXUALITY IN OUR FACE!! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH STOP BEING SO DRAMATIC!!!!"

None of us are saying wether or not we believe homosexuality is normal, typical, abnormal, peachy keen or any other adjective.  None of us are being dramatic.  We are saying "let the person say 'I am gay' and stop freaking out you closet homo"..

You can't go around throwing big dramatic fits then demanding everyone else stop being so dramatic all the time..

You are the one saying that we are homophobic, when I've said no such thing. I clearly stated that I didn't give a fuck if they were a bunny fuckers guild, I just thought their use of "WE'RE LE GAY!" was idiot-bait for mongoloid retards in the WoW community, and thus was going to cause problems. It's chum in the idiot waters. That doesn't make me homophobic, that makes me intelligent.

You are the one who says that suddenly I'm gassing Jews and restricting the rights of homosexuals. That's hyperbolic and doesn't help the discussion.

[Lantyssa]

So the best solution is for them to shut-up and stay in the closet, obviously.  Dealing with the idiots is too much work, they bring so much to the game after all, so it is better if we just keep the gays gagged.

Sorry, but for some reason that logic does not sit well with me.