D&D online beta begins

[e_bortion]

Make rogues useful please.

Yeah, that is an interesting issue that few (if any) games have successfully pulled off. I prefer playing rogues, but in a forced grouping atmosphere where you can't get anywhere solo, rogues normally suck. If they cannot be made a valuable asset to a group (and hold their own) then they should be made soloable at LEAST.

[Nija]

[POST DELETED BY SHOCKEYE]

I had to think long and hard before I removed this post. Even though I and some other people with the power to remove/edit this post are bound by the NDA, we do not have a duty to remove NDA-breaking information we didn't post. I hate NDAs as much as Nija and I wish I could post my thoughts on the game, but frankly I can't. It would be great if all developers stood up and pissed on their NDAs and allowed us to write whatever we wanted, but the real world doesn't work that way. A non-disclosure agreement is a legally binding contract. Big boy words, big boy responsibilities. I'm sure there'll be cries of censorship and those cries would be right insofar as I did censor something that was breaking a legal contract. As for those of you who will cry freedom of speech, that doesn't apply here. You only have the rights the admins give you. You do not have the right to post things that willfully break NDA. You also can't post tubgirl, but that's for a completely different reason. If you want to talk about things that are covered by a NDA, go to where you are allowed to do that which in this case is the Turbine beta forums. Don't be a dick and neither will I. - Shockeye

[HaemishM]

Dude, did you just entirely forget the whole fucking NDA thing?

[Nija]

 

[Merusk]

Nija hates a level-based progression MMO.  In other news the price of gas has gone up and Leno has a GWB joke in his monologue.

[Hoax]

That was fucking awesome, and I really dont know what the breaking heart is supposed to tell me as a response to Haem's post.

The idea that DDO sucks is not something shocking to me though and I will be giving my next MMO beta key to Nija.

[Nija]

I don't necessarily hate level-based progression as I've done more than my share of catassing. (Rasix can attest to this)

I just hate the whole idea of the NDA. Here's a tip for those rednames creating games.

Make something good, and create a buzz in the beta. Don't have a NDA, put out a GOOD BETA. People are stupid. You think my ideas are stupid. You don't want people like me to have access to your tight lipped beta early on, and chances are people like me will get access.

Internally test that shit, bring in some local gamers who like similar stuff to what you're making. If Flagship studios asked me to drive over to SF and tell them what I thought about Hellgate, I'd approach it like I would approach a $80/hr contract job.

If they let me into a beta in an awful state, they'll just get hazed on an internet forum somewhere.

And yeah, I'm not in the DDO beta. Still not approved! (Doubt I'll get in for real, like it matters now.)

Cliff notes: Your beta should kick ass. You should have a stellar intro to the game that generates POSITIVE INTERNET BUZZWORDS. A good buzz in beta is worth more than $10 million spent in marketing. Look at the WoW beta buzz. They didn't need an NDA, why does Turbine? Think about it.

Or don't. Like I said, I'm stupid.

[HaemishM]

Or you could be Wish, which had no NDA, sucked monkey nuts and got shitcanned a week into beta.

[Nija]

Wish technically got shit canned a week into the 2nd beta. The first one was about 6 weeks long, and there was a 2-3 month break between the first and 2nd betas.

Nothing changed during those few idle months. Lots of people saw the shit-canning happening in slow-motion, so to speak.

[Signe]

I tell you... you should be  :-D he chooses to  his s  here.  It will make popular with the  kids.

[Furiously]

I tell you... you should be  :-D he chooses to  his s  here.  It will make popular with the  kids.

i call game you mew look for day not all level up a fun game a game in game you 1 win wow go mew to win  and a game go on b fun

[Nija]

Actually, the  was well used.

I bet it's  :heartbreak:ing that I spread bad words around that could drive red-named people away.

As for  kids, that's the SWG thread.  is the "Everyones problems with MMORPGS" thread.

[HaemishM]

It's got nothing to do with driving red names away. It's got to do with not spreading NDA-covered shit around, because we don't need the fucking hassle. Don't be a cockmonkey. I'd rather this site not turn into some kind of exploit-filled, Dr. Twister-esque, Ebonlore fag-whacking shithole.

[Nija]

Truth hurts!

Fine, I won't tell you the Contra code. Be that way.

[El Gallo]

I tell you... you should be  :-D he chooses to  his s  here.  It will make popular with the  kids.

You are a magnificent creature.

[Shockeye]

Actually, the  was well used.

I bet it's  :heartbreak:ing that I spread bad words around that could drive red-named people away.

As for  kids, that's the SWG thread.  is the "Everyones problems with MMORPGS" thread.

Don't shit where you eat.

[Sky]

Truth hurts!

Your opinion is truth, now? Yipes.

[schild]

Lol. Internet.

[AOFanboi]

NDAs for MMOGs are weird beasts anyway:
1) As if the developers have any original ideas in their heads.
2) The beta testers don't get to spill the beans, because that's left for a Gameshit(tm) Exclusive!!one!
3) That "exclusive" will make wild claims neither supported by the beta nor at release. The beta players under NDA will not be able to correct the rose-tinted view of whatever PR shill makes the hollow promises. (Yes, Funcom, Clan vs. Omni warfare from launch. Whoops, just pointless shootouts in 25% suppression zones? Underwater cities that would make sense of the Water Vehicle skill? Not there either.)
4) Yes, the beta experience will have lag, instability and bugs, and NDA breakers will give off the impression the game is worse than planned if they complain about that. However, why are most games released with this lag, the instability and the bugs intact? What happened to the "plannned" fixes, the bug reports from the beta testers? Balance issues? Hello?

Bah on the industry.

[Trippy]

Or you could be Wish, which had no NDA, sucked monkey nuts and got shitcanned a week into beta.

Or you could be like WoW and have no NDA during Beta and go on to crush your competition. It helps if your game is actually fun before you do that though.

[Samwise]

I suspect it's a bit easier to go the no-NDA route if your game doesn't do anything "risky" (feel free to read that as "innovative" if you like, or not).  Fewer surprises means fewer things for catassy retards to blow out of proportion.

[Megrim]

Dammit i missed what he said! I mean, i'm actually looking forward to this game, and i need to know.

Someone pm me or something.

 - meg

[Signe]

He just made some criticising comments that were no biggie, but it trashed his NDA. He didn't, like, sink Shadowbane or anything. I don't much care for post deletion, however, and consider it a compromise that shouldn't happen.  Throwing something in the den, yeah... but deleting member's posts gives me negative feelings.  It makes me envision f13 turning into a dev ass kissing vanilla place like MMORPG.com or IGN.  That's not the sort of thing I come here for.  Please don't yell 'integrity' at me because that works both ways and totally depends on which side of the censorship fence you live on.

Anyway, it's not my site and the powers who be are free to run it anyway they like.  This is just my opinion and I realise I have some weird ones.  I bet everyone wishes I'd just shut up now so I will!

[Rasix]

Common courtesy should never be mistaken for ass kissing.  It was the right thing to do given the circumstances.  It's not like we're going to start editing out people calling devs "pigfuckers".  This was merely a case of someone breaking a legally binding contract, whether they agree with it or not.  Tossing it into the den still makes it exist and it's still readable there, thus bad!

As an aside, I really doubt Nija gives a fuck.

We all have our wishes, but reality is what it is. There's an NDA in place, do your best to respect it.

[Hoax]

Still I think the point about beta NDA's are a solid one, and I was happy to read something that confirmed what I suspected the whole time, DDO is same old same old and sounds worse then WoW by a mile.

[Margalis]

Beta NDAs are stupid as hell but you do agree to it and should respect it.

Of course, what you should do is watch your friend play *then* complain.

[JoeTF]

Oh fuck!
I forgot that I'm in XX beta and beta testing window started hours ago because of that stuuupid topic!
Damn! damn! damn!

[Lt.Dan]

The way I see it, if it's hard to get into a beta, the game is good.  If the game is arse, then I'll get a beta spot.

[Signe]

The way I see it, if it's hard to get into a beta, the game is good.  If the game is arse, then I'll get a beta spot.

You are wrong.  They are all made of smeg and smelly cheese.  (no offense to Cheddar) ALL of them.  People are just so bored they fool themselves into THINKING they're having fun.  It's just denial.  You lot should all stop deluding yourselves and start acting like the miserable old wankers you really are.

[dEOS]

Or you could be Wish, which had no NDA, sucked monkey nuts and got shitcanned a week into beta.

Or you could be like WoW and have no NDA during Beta and go on to crush your competition. It helps if your game is actually fun before you do that though.

You mean like making it a finished product ? like having respect for your customers? hell, no!

[HaemishM]

Still I think the point about beta NDA's are a solid one, and I was happy to read something that confirmed what I suspected the whole time, DDO is same old same old and sounds worse then WoW by a mile.

Without breaking the NDA, let's just say that if you haven't seen it, you wouldn't know. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups.

[SuperPopTart]

All I will say about DnD is - Wow Wow Wowwy Wow. Me likes. Me will play it.


Uh huh.

[Signe]

I like it, too, strangely.  I thought I would hate it.  Just goes to show how much I know about what I like.

[Megrim]

Sooooo... i take it the overall consensus is that it's pretty good, and that Nija was just venting?

 - meg

[HaemishM]

Sooooo... i take it the overall consensus is that it's pretty good, and that Nija was just venting?

 - meg

No, the overall consensus is 

Also, the other consensus is that you shouldn't assume something will play a certain way from pre-release hype documents. We tend to do that in the negative (it will never be as good as they say) but not in the positive sense (it plays completely differently than we were expecting).