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Pococurante
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I'm signed up. The main page says this is an alpha signup. The graphics seem pretty good for an alpha.  |
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Strazos
Greetings from the Slave Coast
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Make rogues useful please.
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Fear the Backstab!
"Plato said the virtuous man is at all times ready for a grammar snake attack." - we are lesion
"Hell is other people." -Sartre
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stray
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Make rogues useful please.
They actually use shadows. What a novel idea. My only worry is: After Guild Wars, I realized just how much I hate instancing......And supposedly DDO makes heavy use of it. |
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Viin
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I like how they send you an email to verify your email address and then once you verify they ask you for your email address again. Haha! Frackers! You'll get a bogus email address now, lazy bastards!
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Sky
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Make rogues useful please.
That's why I'm onboard. Make thieves (hey, I'm 1st ed, beyotch) nasty cunning mofos that can run solo adventures Sam FisherGarrett-style. Then I'm onboard for the retail, too. But I'd like to see how they handle it through pre-release either way. Edit: Sam Fisher? What the heck was I thinking...I meant the MASTER of stealth gaming, Garrett. I gotta reload Thief:DS and finish it someday. Or maybe just go play Thief 2 yet again. |
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Sky
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JESUS SAVES!
all the rest of you take damage Heh. |
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ahoythematey
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I'm signed up. The main page says this is an alpha signup. The graphics seem pretty good for an alpha.
They should be good, they are the one good thing Turbine produced when creating AC2(the engine their up-and-coming games are running on). |
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Murgos
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Make rogues useful please.
That's why I'm onboard. Make thieves (hey, I'm 1st ed, beyotch) nasty cunning mofos that can run solo adventures Sam FisherGarrett-style. Then I'm onboard for the retail, too. But I'd like to see how they handle it through pre-release either way. Elder Scrolls IV has one of the Thief guys doing the stealth portions. One of the BIG reasons I'm excited about it. |
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Strazos
Greetings from the Slave Coast
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I haven't been able to truely get myself into the Thief franchise...I've always had a distinct dislike for FPS melee. Depth perception can be kind of tough.
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Fear the Backstab!
"Plato said the virtuous man is at all times ready for a grammar snake attack." - we are lesion
"Hell is other people." -Sartre
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Pococurante
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My hangup as well - I rarely enjoy true FPP. I like the current games where I can zoom in and out as needed. The WoW wideview is about right for me.
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Yegolev
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I haven't been able to truely get myself into the Thief franchise...I've always had a distinct dislike for FPS melee. Depth perception can be kind of tough.
I will hazzard a guess that you dislike Thief because you are trying to fight things. You need to be hiding and not being seen. If you are spotted, run. If it is the perspective you hate, T3 (or Thief: DS to you outsiders) has a girly, cheating third-person view with rotatable camera. It also has the emasculating "loot glint", but beware: you can't knock someone unconscious by blackjacking them in the ankle anymore. |
Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
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Strazos
Greetings from the Slave Coast
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I can deal with stealth just fine....but trying to Backstab someone with a longsword, and having them not die, is frustrating.
EDIT: I only played a demo of Thief (2?).
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Fear the Backstab!
"Plato said the virtuous man is at all times ready for a grammar snake attack." - we are lesion
"Hell is other people." -Sartre
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Samwise
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I can deal with stealth just fine....but trying to Backstab someone with a longsword, and having them not die, is frustrating.
"Your sword? Even with triple damage, that's not going to take out a guy Hunk's size!" "Wait... I have a better idea!" (creak creak creak) "You're going to backstab him with a fucking SIEGE WEAPON?" "Uh-huh." "...............there's got to be something in the rules against this..." |
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Roac
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"You're going to backstab him with a fucking SIEGE WEAPON?"
"Uh-huh."
"...............there's got to be something in the rules against this..."
You could backstab castle walls with siege weapons in SB :) Edit: Just one of those things that's fixable, but merely silly and not unbalancing. |
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"Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don't learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us." -SC
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shiznitz
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I haven't been able to truely get myself into the Thief franchise...I've always had a distinct dislike for FPS melee. Depth perception can be kind of tough.
Problem #1: You are thinking about combat. Yes, Thief 1 had some unavoidable combat but combat was hardly the point. Most of the time if your sword was drawn, you fucked up. |
I have never played WoW.
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Yegolev
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I can deal with stealth just fine....but trying to Backstab someone with a longsword, and having them not die, is frustrating.
Use a dagger, n00b. Even better, use the blackjack so that you don't leave bloodstains. Bad enough if you have to haul a body off, washing the blood away is just more work and exposes you further. Garrett doesn't even have a sword in T3. |
Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
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Strazos
Greetings from the Slave Coast
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For the record, I have the same problem with the Elder Scrolls series.
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Fear the Backstab!
"Plato said the virtuous man is at all times ready for a grammar snake attack." - we are lesion
"Hell is other people." -Sartre
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Yegolev
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For the record, I have the same problem with the Elder Scrolls series.
That comment hurt my head. |
Why am I homeless? Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
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Dren
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Can I play the big spider dude? He seems like he could win that fight.
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Pococurante
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Ugly non-humanoids never win in the AD&D world...  |
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Samwise
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Can I play the big spider dude? He seems like he could win that fight.
He's getting flanked six ways from Sunday. Getting flanked in D&D 3E = teh suck. |
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kaid
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Being large and flanked is even worse pretty much a free hit unless its chitin is REALLY strong.
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Merusk
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The rogue is a noobler.. she's going for the front attack instead of flanking for the sneak-attack mod. Silly rogue.
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Can I play the big spider dude? He seems like he could win that fight.
If the Rock couldn't pull it off as a scorpion-drider in the Mummy Returns, what chance do you have, even if you get pointly drow ears... Xilren |
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Furiously
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The rogue is a noobler.. she's going for the front attack instead of flanking for the sneak-attack mod. Silly rogue.
I thought that 3rd edition wise you could sneak attack from the front - it just has to be unexpected. |
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MrHat
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Can we get Schild or someone to chum up with the DDO team so we can help out..?
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Merusk
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The rogue is a noobler.. she's going for the front attack instead of flanking for the sneak-attack mod. Silly rogue.
I thought that 3rd edition wise you could sneak attack from the front - it just has to be unexpected. Not unexpected, per-se, but in a situation where you lose your DEX bonus, or the rogue has you flanked. Opponents on 3 sides MIGHT count, I'm not sure. Usually it only happens due to spells or being caught 'flat-footed' (unaware) |
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Signe
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Can we get Schild or someone to chum up with the DDO team so we can help out..?
Yeah! Come on, S-Child! Just pretend it's a big, salty lollipop! |
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schild
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Pffft. Only Cheddar deserves fun right now.
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Cheddar
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I remember getting a beta e-mail from these guys a month or two ago. If F13.net ever gets Alpha/Beta accounts sign me up! From what I read before it seems interesting how they will deploy the game. I will have to research it some more though to refresh my memory (does it not have the same instancing as GW?)
Edit. It was an accidental invite BTW. I believe everyone and their brother got one.
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No Nerf, but I put a link to this very thread and I said that you all can guarantee for my purity. I even mentioned your case, and see if they can take a look at your lawn from a Michigan perspective.
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Samwise
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The rogue is a noobler.. she's going for the front attack instead of flanking for the sneak-attack mod. Silly rogue.
I thought that 3rd edition wise you could sneak attack from the front - it just has to be unexpected. Not unexpected, per-se, but in a situation where you lose your DEX bonus, or the rogue has you flanked. Opponents on 3 sides MIGHT count, I'm not sure. Usually it only happens due to spells or being caught 'flat-footed' (unaware) Being flanked causes the target to lose its Dex bonus against *all* attackers - regardless of which way the spidey is facing, that rogue gets the sneak attack bonus. There's an optional rule (it might even just be a house rule I saw somewhere, but I like it) that if this happens, the creature being flanked has the option to ignore all but one attacker, which negates the flanking bonus for that one attacker because the creature's attention is no longer being divded. However, every other attacker then gets even more ridiculous bonuses since now there's not even a half-assed attempt being made to defend against them. I ran an adventure a long while back in which a group of high-level PCs had a brawl with an equally sized group of mid-to-high level rogues. It would have been an easy fight, but one of the PCs withdrew from the melee in the first round (wussy mage), which meant that one of the rogues was completely free to go and get a flanking bonus on the cleric. Instead of fighting a single rogue with no bonuses (an easy fight even with no magic help), the cleric was suddenly fighting TWO rogues, both of them with flanking bonuses, and he died in a single round from sneak attack damage. Like I said, being flanked is bad news.  |
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Descended
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Being flanked causes the target to lose its Dex bonus against *all* attackers - regardless of which way the spidey is facing, that rogue gets the sneak attack bonus.
Ah, this isn't RAW (rules as written). Being flanked doesn't cause you to loose your dexterity bonus against anyone, including the flanking entities. See: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35. Look up Flat-Footed in 'Combat I (Basics)'. Look up Flanking in 'Combat II (Movement, Modifiers, and Special Actions)'. This is to be expected since the definition of the rogue's sneak attack ability specifically seperates the conditions under which it can be used into 'target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC' and 'when the rogue flanks her target'. Not trying to be a hard ass; this is just a common mistake for people who grew up with AD&D and are still learning 3.x rules. |
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Dren
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Can I play the big spider dude? He seems like he could win that fight.
If the Rock couldn't pull it off as a scorpion-drider in the Mummy Returns, what chance do you have, even if you get pointly drow ears... Xilren  |
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Samwise
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Being flanked causes the target to lose its Dex bonus against *all* attackers - regardless of which way the spidey is facing, that rogue gets the sneak attack bonus.
Ah, this isn't RAW (rules as written). Being flanked doesn't cause you to loose your dexterity bonus against anyone, including the flanking entities. See: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35. Look up Flat-Footed in 'Combat I (Basics)'. Look up Flanking in 'Combat II (Movement, Modifiers, and Special Actions)'. This is to be expected since the definition of the rogue's sneak attack ability specifically seperates the conditions under which it can be used into 'target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC' and 'when the rogue flanks her target'. Not trying to be a hard ass; this is just a common mistake for people who grew up with AD&D and are still learning 3.x rules. Ah, thanks for catching that. Really, though, the presence or Absence of a Dex bonus pales in comparison to that +9d6 damage from each attack. :-D |
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