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							Saw the various videos released, noted how everyone keeps running around all the time, regardless of where their party is, read about how the thief unlocked the chest and got all the loot before anyone else could, and decided it's not going to be DnD after all.  Back in the 80s, I was at a game convention with the singer of my band, we were both avid AD&D players. We both rolled up thieves and poised ourselves as 'scouts' for the party. We'd stay ahead of the group, looking for traps, ostensibly. But really, we were loading up with loot. Then when we'd spot mobs, we'd go tell the party...and hide until the combat was over. It was pretty funny, since the party was pretty green, we got away with most of it...but the DM was  fucking pissed at what we were doing. So...one of my favorite low points of AD&D occured: invisible ninjas. I shit you not. We were assaulted by invisible ninjas. Because the DM lost it and couldn't adapt to our gameplay style. I was crying it was so funny (maybe you had to be there...). Invisible ninjas. That's almost as bad as the old 'wandering damage' tables.  
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							Saw the various videos released, noted how everyone keeps running around all the time, regardless of where their party is, read about how the thief unlocked the chest and got all the loot before anyone else could, and decided it's not going to be DnD after all.  
  I never ran everywhere in DnD, and usually the group moved slowly and together most of the time, and cooperated.
  Don;t confuse the medium with the players.  What you are describing is a result of friends taking a game seriously and playing as a team.  Here's the thing though, there's no reason you CAN"T play DDO that way, or hell, even WoW instances that way.  But I bet you wont in a pickup group unless you get really lucky.  It's not the game, its the people (really, loot sharing it basic group ettique yet how many game have had to implement random loot distribution b/c people just can't play nicely together). BTW, you want people to slow down, throw a lot of traps in the first several dungeons until people learn "running ahead blindly isn't smart, i think ill slow down and let the thief do his job".  Worked in a lot of NWN games I've tried (course, most people play NWN for more rpg reasons than simply loot and exp...) Xilren  
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							I just got my invite yesterday. It looks like another round is going out. 
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							I haven't played in like 3 weeks.
  That's probably not a good sign.
  Let me know if anyone here gets in.  The friend who got me in has been AWOL in China for a while now so I have no companion. 
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							Soln
							
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							how is this going?  Anyone got a good feeling yet?  
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							Sky
							
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							Endeeay. 
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							Good and bad feelings are covered by NDA's now?      
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							Good and bad feelings are covered by NDA's now?     They always have been.  
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							Signe
							
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							Someone let me on their account, thanks.
  I'm sure the  endeeay allows for that!    
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							Nija
							
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							Someone let me on their account, thanks.
  I'm sure the  endeeay allows for that!   Nobody pays attention to that stuff. You can pretend all you want.  
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							Calandryll
							 
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							Someone let me on their account, thanks.
  I'm sure the  endeeay allows for that!   Nobody pays attention to that stuff. You can pretend all you want. I do. :)  
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							Someone let me on their account, thanks.
  I'm sure the  endeeay allows for that!   Nobody pays attention to that stuff. You can pretend all you want. I do. :) Busted!  
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							The strength of the NDA is proportional to the quality of the game.
  The better the game, the stronger the NDA is.  Because nobody cares about breaking the NDA on a game they don't want to play. 
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							I do. :)
  I'm sure you have a few accts to spare. If you're gonna throw money, throw it this-a-way!  
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							Someone let me on their account, thanks.
  I'm sure the  endeeay allows for that!   Nobody pays attention to that stuff. You can pretend all you want. I do. :) Proving once again that having Devs over here to discuss the issues of the day has its own set of problems. Wish I could get in on this.  I'm very keen to find out if its in any way good.  
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							Hey if we are gonna have devs busting us for endeay, I want some benefits to balance it out.  I want my Beta invite beyotch!
  Yes, my name is Dren there too.  :-D 
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							Hey if we are gonna have devs busting us for endeay, I want some benefits to balance it out.  I want my Beta invite beyotch! I was amazed that the thorough and complete profile I submitted did not immediately get me in.   You'd think a guy who singlehandedly wrote and tested every major commercial MOG and owned his own personal cross-competitor test lab would have gotten more respect.Anyway it is below me to beg for beta invites.  I send in cute furry things to do that for me. Cue the cute furry things...   
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							Proving once again that having Devs over here to discuss the issues of the day has its own set of problems.
  Wish I could get in on this.  I'm very keen to find out if its in any way good.
 
  Buy it and find out. Is that so risky? Anything with DnD is worth a $50 gamble. ToEE was a buggy piece of crap (initially) but it was still fun. DDO has my money for a box at the least.  
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							It's out ? 
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							I'll try it out regardless.  I'm too much the target demographic to dismiss it. 
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							 Anyway it is below me to beg for beta invites.  I send in cute furry things to do that for me.
 
 
 
 I didn't beg.  I demanded!  A big difference to me.  A very small one to the devs.  :-(  
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							I didn't beg.  I demanded!  A big difference to me. Right on brother!  Up the Man!  I rescind the cute furry things and send in the big guns!!   
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							 The fucking kittens can take care of themselves.  Fuzzy little bastards.  
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							 The fucking kittens can take care of themselves.  Fuzzy little bastards. Did you quit smoking AGAIN? We might need to start alerting Homeland Security so they can adjust the threat rating. Or maybe you just don't like kittens? That is pure crazy talk, though. Kittens are cute and fuzzy and don't piss on your feet in excitement like puppies do.   
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							Or maybe you just don't like kittens? That is pure crazy talk, though. I thought she was subtly making clear her views on masturbation.  
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							I figured Righ was posting from her account.
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							Someone let me on their account, thanks.
  I'm sure the  endeeay allows for that!   Nobody pays attention to that stuff. You can pretend all you want. I do. :) Proving once again that having Devs over here to discuss the issues of the day has its own set of problems. Wish I could get in on this.  I'm very keen to find out if its in any way good. that's pretty much all I was looking to ask  
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							Signe
							
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							I agree with Soln when he said, "You people are pathetic." 
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							Sky
							
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							I agree with Soln when he said, "You people are pathetic."
  Hey, everything is copathetic?  
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							I agree with Soln when he said, "You people are pathetic."
  Omg, a spanking avatar.  That's really not what I need to see at ten to nine.  
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							Signe
							
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							I agree with Soln when he said, "You people are pathetic."
  Omg, a spanking avatar.  That's really not what I need to see at ten to nine. I didn't do it!  It wasn't me!  I were griefed! I'm innocent.  
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							I think you did! You've been so naughty, you should be...
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