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Big Gulp
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Are you going to try to tell me that Titanic WASN'T a steaming pile of shitty performances, awful script-writing and 20 minutes of decent special effects?
What most pissed me off about Titanic the most was how the rich were treated in that movie. Without fail they were shown to be craven scumbags who'd kick an old lady in the teeth to get a spot in a lifeboat, and it just wasn't that way. This was the cream of US and British society, some of the richest people in the world, and the men willingly gave up their seats to the women and children, even the "lower class" ones in steerage. Nowadays I can see people having an "every man for himself" mentality, but 100 years ago it just didn't happen. The men were stoic about their fates and went down with the ship. Some of them even sat in the wardrooms and toasted each other as they went down. It was a different era, then. For someone with the amount of money that hack Cameron has, he shows a lot of chutzpah to fabricate that kind of bullshit just for "drama". Shit, it would have been more dramatic to show what actually happened. |
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El Gallo
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Never saw the movie, but the death rates of 3d class children was about the same as first class adult men. Almost all the 1st and 2d class women and children lived, most of the 3d class women and children died. No doubt some people behaved honorably, just as there is no doubt that others behaved dishonorably. Just as would happen today. The idea that they were universally stoic about their fates is just aristocratic nonsense, especially considering the things one typically needed to do to become a plutocrat in that era. Class was a very, very powerful fact of life back then.
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« Last Edit: March 21, 2005, 09:48:42 AM by El Gallo »
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This post makes me want to squeeze into my badass red jeans.
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Big Gulp
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The idea that they were universally stoic about their fates is just aristocratic nonsense, especially considering the things one typically needed to do to become a plutocrat in that era. Class was a very, very powerful fact of life back then.
No, I have no doubt that there were some pussies in the mix, but the vast majority of them just sucked it up. Shit, the richest man on the boat was John Jacob Astor, and he didn't get on a lifeboat. Neither did a huge amount of the other plutocrats. Likewise, the way they portray that first officer has got to be the worst case of posthumous character assassination I've ever seen in a movie. Let's see, he's shown taking a bribe, shooting a passenger, completely losing his shit, and generally being a bastard. The reality is that he stayed calm the whole time, never shot anyone, got as many people on the lifeboats as possible, threw deck chairs off the deck so people would have something to float on, and finally went down with the ship. That's not how he'll be remembered though, because Cameron decided that turning him into a cardboard villain was high drama. |
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HaemishM
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Wait, you took the entire non-ship-sinking part of the Titanic story as anything other than vague, out of the ass storytelling? That was the part of the movie that completely ruined it. It was Romeo and fucking Juliet, except without any real pathos, some sweaty car sex, and Billy Zane as Montescrew.
See, my theory is that Cameron told his producers, "I really want to film the Titanic going down. That would be a fascinating technical challenge!" And the producers told him, "You can't make a movie about thousands of people drowning without some kind of story. Make it a love story."
Then he got drunk, passed out and his monkey wrote it by banging his dick on the typewriter. When Cameron woke up, he saw a completed, shit-stained script, sent it to an editor and started working on the special effects.
Stoopid monkey.
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WindupAtheist
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Man, these pics remind me of how awesome it was when Leonardo DiCaprio cut Billy Zane's head off with some giant scissors.
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« Last Edit: March 21, 2005, 04:27:00 PM by Shockeye »
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MaceVanHoffen
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What most pissed me off about Titanic the most was how the rich were treated in that movie. Without fail they were shown to be craven scumbags who'd kick an old lady in the teeth to get a spot in a lifeboat, and it just wasn't that way. This was the cream of US and British society, some of the richest people in the world, and the men willingly gave up their seats to the women and children, even the "lower class" ones in steerage. Nowadays I can see people having an "every man for himself" mentality, but 100 years ago it just didn't happen. The men were stoic about their fates and went down with the ship. Some of them even sat in the wardrooms and toasted each other as they went down. It was a different era, then.
Most of what you claim about the rich of the 19th century is just an Edwardian fantasy, akin to the notion of chivalry in the Middle Ages. It was a different era: an era of the privileged class(es) living with their boots on the necks of the poor. And "poor" often had less to do with money and more to do with social standing or one's heritage. That said, Cameron's Titanic did exaggerate greatly. There were amazing heroics on board when the ship went down, including actions by the wealthy elite. This is just my guess, but Cameron evidently took the reports circulated by WR Hearst as the basis for most of his movie. If you haven't read WR Hearst's stuff, I recommend it to get a well-rounded picture of the time. The man was the founder of yellow journalism and a despicable person. Ironically, WR Hearst's attitudes of social privilege were much more typical of the 19th and early 20th century rich, yet he misrepresented many on board to such an extent that many Titanic urban legends persist to our day. There's a great article on the Titanic Historical Society website that lists common myths surrounding the ill-fated vessel, including the conduct of the ship's captain and Bruce Ismay (played by Jonathan Hyde in the movie), the White Star executive on board. |
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Aenovae
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Fucking dammit, WUA.
Link that shit with a spoiler warning and stop being an ass.
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stray
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Fucking dammit, WUA.
Link that shit with a spoiler warning and stop being an ass.
/agreed Heh, kinda sad that I'm pissed about a Star Wars scene being spoiled, but so be it. |
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Merusk
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Fucking dammit, WUA.
Link that shit with a spoiler warning and stop being an ass.
... yeah agreed. I knew it was going to happen, but not in that manner. Damnit. Yes, I'm still SW fanboi enough to be excited about EP3, despite being shit on the previous two movies. What can I say.. I actually enjoyed them from a filling-out-the-story perspective. |
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DarkDryad
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Straight from the horses mouth
"It's not like the old 'Star Wars,' " Lucas told theater owners at the ShoWest convention. "This one's a little bit more emotional. We like to describe it as 'Titanic' in space. It's a tearjerker."
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BWL is funny tho. It's like watching a Special Needs school take a field trip to a minefield.
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Sky
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Well, someone was jerking something.
I'm pretty sure I'll cry, but not for the reasons Lucas intended.
And thanks alot WUA you fucking douche.
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We like to describe it as 'Titanic' in space. If I can see Leonardo DiCaprio decapitated by an angry Wookiee, I might go see it. |
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schild
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We like to describe it as 'Titanic' in space. I'm never seeing this movie. I wouldn't sit through it if you gave me 10x the ticket cost. Meh. Fuckit. I'm going to trade in my Star Wars DVDs right now to EB. They're giving $10 extra for every 3. Maybe I'll trade in some of that shit my ex-girlfriend asked me to buy too. |
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Paelos
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Lucas sucks, I'm taking my ball and going home.
Lucas said the last movies would be good, and they sucked. We all know Titanic sucked. Him calling it Titanic could go two ways. One, it could suck like no movie has ever sucked since the beginning of sucking. Or two, he could double negative himself into a winner by modelling what could be a sucky movie after a sucky movie and having it cancel to a good. Do two wrongs make a right? |
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Shockeye
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Lucas sucks, I'm taking my ball and going home.
When did schild become Lance Armstrong? |
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Biobanger
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Lucas said the last movies would be good, and they sucked. We all know Titanic sucked. Him calling it Titanic could go two ways. One, it could suck like no movie has every sucked since the beginning of sucking. Or two, he could double negative himself into a winner by modelling what could be a sucky movie after a sucky movie and having it cancel to a good.
Do two wrongs make a right?
For the average 40-year old mom, yes. For the people that read these forums, no. |
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WindupAtheist
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Or it could be that a director referencing the most profitable movie ever, while speaking to a convention of theater owners, is a meaningless bit of promotional fluff. And that a movie which begins with a decapitation and ends with the protagonist murdering his pregnant wife isn't really much like Titanic at all.
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Murgos
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I'm going to go ahead and say no. It almost was but didn't quite make the transition. |
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Big Gulp
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I'm going to go ahead and say no. It almost was but didn't quite make the transition.
Stop TKing, you fag!!! was actually pretty amusing. |
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Roac
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It got a smile, but not a "heh". |
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Riggswolfe
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Just to add to the "debate" Lucas has recently made noise about remaking the entire sage in 3-d. Article on AICN |
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HaemishM
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Yeah, 3-D that's what I want to see, George. I want JUB-JUB plastered into my face 30 miles high in more than 2 dimenions. Not the original theatrical releases, unfucked with, on DVD or anything.
George Lucas reaches new heights of assclownery.
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Sky
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Ehh...I can't bring up any bile when Lucas tries to push technology forward. I can see 3d movies being very cool once we can get past it being a gimmick to make stuff jump in your face.
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MaceVanHoffen
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Yeah, 3-D that's what I want to see, George. I want JUB-JUB plastered into my face 30 miles high in more than 2 dimenions. Not the original theatrical releases, unfucked with, on DVD or anything.
George Lucas reaches new heights of assclownery.
Now if George Lucas made a 3-D film of horrible things happening to Jar Jar, I would be so there. An alien bursting from Jar Jar's chest with him shouting "I spect mese gonna die!" would be cinema gold. Perhaps Jar Jar getting assraped by a horde of monkeys while shouting "Mese just dropped bar of soap!" would be a close second. |
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Biobanger
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WindupAtheist
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Minor spoiler leaked from the novel, dealing with C3PO's memories of Anakin and company.
"I'm placing these droids in your care," the Senator said. "Have them cleaned, polished, and refitted with the best of everything; they will belong to my new daughter."
"How lovely!" C-3PO exclaimed. "His daughter is the child of Master Anakin and Senator Amidala," he explained to R2-D2. "I can hardly wait to tell her all about her parents! I'm sure she will be very proud!"
"Oh, and the protocol droid?" Senator Organa said thoughtfully. "Have its mind wiped."
The captain saluted.
"Oh," said C-3PO. "Oh, dear."
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SurfD
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GOD. Even the NOVELS have crap ass writing.
Droids dont have MINDS.......it's MEMORY WIPE, mother fucker. MEMORY WIPE!!
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Sky
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Whatever you say, meatbag.
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Merusk
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GOD. Even the NOVELS have crap ass writing.
Droids dont have MINDS.......it's MEMORY WIPE, mother fucker. MEMORY WIPE!!
You'd have preferred, "Format it and reinstall the OS." Mind, memory.. perhaps it's just insight into senator Organa's view on droids.. they're beings, just beings that're owned beings, slaves. So in reality he's pro-slavery. No wonder Vader wanted to blow the fuck out of the planet.. buncha slaving sons of bitches. |
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SirBruce
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But he doesn't wipe R2-D2's memory, and R2-D2 doesn't mention any of these facts to C-3PO, Luke, or anyone else. Oh, he claims Obi-Wan used to be his Master, but Obi-Wan doesn't remember it, and in any case it was just an excuse for delivering Princess Leia's message.
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Samwise
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Maybe they wiped Obi-Wan's memory too. With MIDICHLORIANS!
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Triforcer
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Maybe they wiped Obi-Wan's memory too. With MIDICHLORIANS!
I may be wrong on this, but didn't one of the novelizations or movies themselves say that midichlorians wer an effect, not a cause, of force sensitivity? I never got the impression you could become a Jedi by sticking a syringe full of the things in your arm. |
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Samwise
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I believe the explanation from Qui-Gonn in Ep 1 was that midichlorians are endosymbiotic life forms (like mitochondria) that allow you to feel and use the Force. However, that's not necessarily "canon", since not all Jedi agree with him, apparently. Here's a writeup. |
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HaemishM
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So in reality he's pro-slavery. No wonder Vader wanted to blow the fuck out of the planet.. buncha slaving sons of bitches.
Toldja that goddamn Republic always tryna' keep a brotha down. |
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