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Reply #245 on: March 21, 2020, 10:43:05 PM

It's not that <20 can't get it. It's that 10-20 have very few hospitalizations and 0-9 barely get symptoms. Also, 0-9 are apparently terrible at transmitting it.
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Reply #246 on: March 21, 2020, 10:50:40 PM

Where did you see that they're terrible at transmitting it?  They are less likely to have coughing fits, if that is what you mean, but little kids with the virus put their mouths on everything. 

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Reply #247 on: March 22, 2020, 06:19:47 AM

Any supermarket that isn't sticking a limit on what customers can buy re: toilet paper and a few other things is either indifferent to profiteering or maybe is even involved in it. It's pretty clear that it's flying off the shelves because goons are buying all of it for resale.
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Reply #248 on: March 22, 2020, 08:42:06 AM

Not sure about the US but certainly in the UK the situation is much less down to hoarding or panic buying and actually a symptom of the 'just in time', maximally lean supply chain management system that makes modern supermarkets profitable. Supply is very closely calibrated to normal, seasonal, consumption patterns. A 10% increase because people are grabbing a few extra packs of pasta or suddenly getting an extra couple of tinned beans each trip quickly adds up to empty shelves. The psychological effect of seeing things getting sold out means other people buying crap they normally wouldn't because there isn't anything else and even though deliveries are still coming through, the shelves aren't staying stocked because modern food supply chains cannot easily or quickly adjust for sudden changes in consumption even if those changes aren't especially large.

There are certainly cases of people buying a lot more than they need but, in the UK at least, they aren't impacting things on a systemic level. They're assholes and easy to point blame at but  shelves are empty because of all the people following the sensible advice of stocking up a little bit extra on all your normal shopping trips with durable goods.

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Reply #249 on: March 22, 2020, 09:48:16 AM

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Reply #250 on: March 22, 2020, 11:19:54 AM

UK and Australia both seem to be behind the curve, so to speak.  It is going to get nasty.

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Reply #251 on: March 22, 2020, 11:24:34 AM

Spain looks like it's on a sharper curve than even the UK. It's both impressive and terrifying and leaves me really wondering what the fuck is going on there considering how laissez faire the UK response has been.

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Reply #252 on: March 22, 2020, 11:33:18 AM

Not sure about the US but certainly in the UK the situation is much less down to hoarding or panic buying and actually a symptom of the 'just in time', maximally lean supply chain management system that makes modern supermarkets profitable. Supply is very closely calibrated to normal, seasonal, consumption patterns. A 10% increase because people are grabbing a few extra packs of pasta or suddenly getting an extra couple of tinned beans each trip quickly adds up to empty shelves. The psychological effect of seeing things getting sold out means other people buying crap they normally wouldn't because there isn't anything else and even though deliveries are still coming through, the shelves aren't staying stocked because modern food supply chains cannot easily or quickly adjust for sudden changes in consumption even if those changes aren't especially large.

There are certainly cases of people buying a lot more than they need but, in the UK at least, they aren't impacting things on a systemic level. They're assholes and easy to point blame at but  shelves are empty because of all the people following the sensible advice of stocking up a little bit extra on all your normal shopping trips with durable goods.

While all this is true, it is worth adding that supply chains couldn't cope with these sorts of change in demand in the past either. And would regularly leave shops without random things for no good reason.

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Reply #253 on: March 22, 2020, 11:50:15 AM

Spain looks like it's on a sharper curve than even the UK. It's both impressive and terrifying and leaves me really wondering what the fuck is going on there considering how laissez faire the UK response has been.

I've been ignoring everything except deaths because differences in testing policy seem too big to make the case count useful. On that basis today was a good day in the UK, I was mentally braced for 100 dead following the Italy curve and we only got 47.

On deaths though, Spain has gone from 350 to 1700 in a week. Italy took roughly the same amount of time between those two totals. The UK is on 14 day delay from Italy, Spain is about 7 days behind Italy. But the death curve looks identical in every Western country that has lost enough people to make the data useful.

If you want to explore data and really fuck with your mental health. This site is pretty good.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
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Reply #254 on: March 22, 2020, 01:38:33 PM

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Reply #255 on: March 22, 2020, 02:21:55 PM

the entire recovery metric is a big ol question mark, i guarantee tens of thousands have recovered without ever having even gone to a doctor
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Reply #256 on: March 22, 2020, 02:26:46 PM

True but if they diagnose someone, then don't hear from them or have a death certificate on them in 45 days I would say most likely recovered...
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Reply #257 on: March 22, 2020, 04:27:14 PM

I'm also betting a lot of "recovered" people have fibrosis that is going to shorten their lives dramatically.  Some of the early data out of China indicated that a lot of the people that thought they came through this fairly cleanly have significant fibrosis.

Most of the world is either being fuckwatts or are being cautious - both are old news.  I'm really watching for news on two countries: China and North Korea. 

I want to see what happens in China when they go back to work and this virus is floating around freely in the world (and likely still living in freezers, living in jackasses that snuck past sheltering, etc..)  I'm betting they have a fairly significant resurgence, despite precautions. 

I'm also curious as everything as to what is really going on in North Korea.  If that country goes into a horror story it could create entirely different types of chaos.  Unfortunately, we never know what is going on there until the spy planes catch sight of the mass graves.

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Reply #258 on: March 22, 2020, 04:48:10 PM

Hey, remember how I just helped my kid move five states? Guess who furloughs starting tomorrow.

For bonus fun? He's still registered as an employee in Texas -- he never officially started his new position in his new state. And his address is still Texas, because he hasn't changed it.

I have no idea where he should apply for unemployment legally.
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Reply #259 on: March 22, 2020, 04:57:14 PM

Furloughed employees often don't qualify as they are still officially "on the books" of the company, just not working/getting paid.

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Reply #260 on: March 22, 2020, 05:49:37 PM

Furloughed employees often don't qualify as they are still officially "on the books" of the company, just not working/getting paid.
Furloughed workers qualify in Texas.
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Reply #261 on: March 22, 2020, 07:42:28 PM

Furloughed employees often don't qualify as they are still officially "on the books" of the company, just not working/getting paid.
Furloughed workers qualify in Texas.

Apply in Texas. Why the fuck not who cares. Apply in both places.
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Reply #262 on: March 22, 2020, 08:15:33 PM

Apply in Texas. Why the fuck not who cares. Apply in both places.
The one damn thing Abbot (our moron fucking governor) has done right is waive a lot of the unemployment barriers. He's literally done nothing else about this crisis.
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Reply #263 on: March 22, 2020, 08:16:26 PM

Apply in Texas. Why the fuck not who cares. Apply in both places.
The one damn thing Abbot (our moron fucking governor) has done right is waive a lot of the unemployment barriers. He's literally done nothing else about this crisis.

First state to have drivethrough testing and we were expanding before any other state.

But yeah, it's still a fair statement. He's been utterly useless. The cities have been doing decently though.
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Reply #264 on: March 22, 2020, 08:34:59 PM

First state to have drivethrough testing and we were expanding before any other state.

But yeah, it's still a fair statement. He's been utterly useless. The cities have been doing decently though.
It's been the cities leading on that.
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Reply #265 on: March 22, 2020, 08:38:33 PM

Intensive care doctors and nurses in Italy.





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Reply #266 on: March 22, 2020, 08:49:50 PM

What the fuck? Is that from wearing masks 24/7?

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Reply #267 on: March 22, 2020, 08:58:09 PM

Yes. Full protective gear in intensive care in a non-stop crisis (triaging who lives or dies) where they can barely take a break.
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Reply #268 on: March 22, 2020, 08:58:42 PM

Holy crap.

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Reply #269 on: March 22, 2020, 09:00:18 PM

One more.

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Reply #270 on: March 22, 2020, 09:51:10 PM

Hey, remember how I just helped my kid move five states? Guess who furloughs starting tomorrow.

For bonus fun? He's still registered as an employee in Texas -- he never officially started his new position in his new state. And his address is still Texas, because he hasn't changed it.

I have no idea where he should apply for unemployment legally.


He needs to call the DoL line for claimants, explain the situation, and see.  It does vary state by state.

In many/most states, a reduction in hours or furlough would qualify you to collect unemployment under normal circumstances.  Most states are loosening requirements now anyway.  He needs to find out when the DoL claimants line opens for business and call first thing.

In New York, if you leave a job for a new job and then are let go/furloughed from the new position, you would be eligible for benefits as you were a qualifying employee in New York within the last year and lost employment/hours through no fault of your own.  Benefits would be calculated based on your salary at your prior position.


Or, you know, if you had a regular accountant who handled your affairs this would be a great time to ask them to see what the best approach would be...
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Reply #271 on: March 22, 2020, 10:10:42 PM

What the fuck? Is that from wearing masks 24/7?
Yes, with an N95 mask or equivalent you need an air tight seal around your nose and mouth or as close as you can get for it to be effective. This is one of the reasons why, at least in the West, face masks aren't recommended unless you yourself are sick or you are a caregiver -- you can't get an air tight seal with those types of masks.
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Reply #272 on: March 23, 2020, 01:32:08 AM

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Reply #273 on: March 23, 2020, 04:07:16 AM

The pictures have been faked/altered per photoshop and there’s two versions going around. The original and the version with photoshopped sad eyes and additional wounds.

See https://twitter.com/arscronius/status/1242005457427980288?s=20 for comparisons
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Reply #274 on: March 23, 2020, 05:49:20 AM

Photoshopping that seems unnecessary. The unaltered shot is bad enough.

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Reply #275 on: March 23, 2020, 06:05:02 AM

Yeah it's hard to use the word "faked" when this is how the originals look. Okay, so someone has used Photoshop to turn up the volume on a real thing.

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Reply #276 on: March 23, 2020, 06:10:03 AM

Having worn a respirator in an industrial setting, I am familiar with that look...but not to that extent.

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Reply #277 on: March 23, 2020, 08:01:18 AM

There's 100 surreal things each day about this, but knowing our bus routes are reduced and still not seeing a single person on them as they pass by my house... that's surreal.
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Reply #278 on: March 23, 2020, 11:43:51 AM

A University of Minnesota doctor formed an ad hoc team of engineers and businesses to create a prototype of an emergency ventilator.  He thinks he can scale it up quickly.

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Reply #279 on: March 23, 2020, 12:03:28 PM

Down town Seattle is now starting to look like what it must be like before a hurricane arrives.

Seen three business that have their windows and doors boarded up with plywood.
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