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on: October 30, 2019, 04:22:41 AM

Naomi Watts Got prequel scrapped, but Miguel Sapochnik (and some other guy) is showrunning a Targ focused prequel that has got an order. I do not understand for the life of me how Sapochnik has basically no cv despite making all the good post-wedding GoT episodes - so happy to see this.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/game-thrones-prequel-house-dragon-gets-hbo-series-order-1250974

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Reply #1 on: October 30, 2019, 12:07:44 PM

I hope they get Naomi Watts, she needs to be in stuff.

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Reply #2 on: May 05, 2022, 05:47:29 PM

They dropped a trailer today.  Not sure what to make of it just yet but I will watch it.

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Reply #3 on: May 05, 2022, 09:22:37 PM

I'll give it 3 episodes to become interesting.

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Reply #4 on: May 06, 2022, 05:38:20 AM

I expect that if the production values are more or less on par with the original, it will be watchable for that reason alone (for me).  A quick thought I had watching the trailer....the original, for all its many flaws, had a LOT of very interesting and well-acted characters.  Most of these guys look like wet toast.  I like Matt Smith, but he looks pretty bland here so far.

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Reply #5 on: August 21, 2022, 11:20:11 PM

Didn't hate it.

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Reply #6 on: August 22, 2022, 08:03:21 AM

Only problem i had was trying to take Matt Smith seriously.

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Reply #7 on: August 22, 2022, 09:18:03 AM

Didn't hate it, but I agree with the "wet toast" comment.  So far I don't love or hate any of these characters enough to be really invested in their success or demise.  Well, except maybe Matt Smith because he's a cop.  I'm looking forward to him getting eaten by a dragon, I guess?

But by this point in Game of Thrones, we'd already seen the white walker threat, and spent enough time with the Starks to already be rooting for them, and set up Ned's big inner conflict (duty to his family and the North vs duty to his friend and the realm) that would drive the whole season, and met the charismatic-yet-obviously-untrustworthy Lannisters, and it ended with the cliffhanger of Cersei and Jaime throwing Bran out a window.  Whole lot of stuff going on to make you care about what's going to happen to the different characters and want to tune in next week.

Mostly what I'm looking forward to next week from this show is having King Wifeslayer the Dull die of not being able to either sit on a chair correctly or take his primary care physician's advice, so that maybe the plot can finally start grinding along with the marginally more interesting characters.

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Reply #8 on: August 23, 2022, 09:02:11 PM

It was fine. I'm at least now going to hold off on reading the book, so it doesn't cloud my opinion of the show. But yah, bunch of blank slates outside of Matt Smith.

It is quite pretty.

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Reply #9 on: August 23, 2022, 09:34:01 PM

As I'm just hanging around with family for weeks, I ordered the book last week and blew through it in a day or three.  I actually enjoyed it, but just so you are perfectly clear, it is basically a 700 page wiki entry.  There is nothing POV or anything, just random quotes some of the characters said at points, in between long narration.  It literally reads like one long wikipedia entry.  Which is totally fine for me, I love Wiki and can read it all day long, but I can see how other people would hate that.

As for the story I read, it has a lot of potential to be very entertaining, but as we only got a description of everything that happened lined out, its very much up to the show runners to craft characters with interesting personalities and dialog.  They have almost nothing to adapt from except a description of the actions the various characters took, and one or two lines about if a given character was brave, or craven, or sneaky, or slutty, ect.

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Reply #10 on: September 16, 2022, 12:39:40 AM

I am quite enjoying this compared with the other fantasy show.
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Reply #11 on: September 16, 2022, 01:45:28 AM

That's a very low bar to clear.
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Reply #12 on: September 16, 2022, 04:52:18 PM

It needs a Bronn/Tyrion type character, everyone is too serious. And it's own damn theme song. Other than that it is fun.

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Reply #13 on: September 17, 2022, 09:03:21 AM

Yeah, I've been thinking it's a bit too Masterpiece Theater Game of Thrones--nothing that's down in the muck or closer to everyday life. Could use a sassy dragon handler or something.
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Reply #14 on: September 17, 2022, 10:20:01 AM

I guess that's the problem with basing it on a book that was more about the birds-eye history and less about the personal stories.  The ASoIaF books were very much down in the muck and while GRRM has his flaws as a writer, he did a good job writing characters that feel relatable and are fun to root for. 

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Reply #15 on: September 21, 2022, 10:35:16 AM

To be fair the series is about to do a big time jump next episode, so they could introduce some characters like that.  But overall, yeah.  This is very much Game of Thrones, lords slaughtering lords drama story.  Not to spoil but there is a small group of characters who aren't lords and could fit in with what you are looking for, but at the current pace they most likely wont be introduced until next season.  Also the writers could make them not fun and suck also.

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Reply #16 on: September 21, 2022, 04:26:54 PM

I thought the most recent episode was well crafted, especially the way they shot the very end. They built up a variety of tensions and political intrigue, so that there were numerous pots ready to boil over in an environment of polite celebration. Like, I dunno, a good Game of Thrones episode.
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Reply #17 on: September 22, 2022, 03:11:29 PM

Ya, the editing in the wedding dance scene was really well done to ramp up the tension.

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Reply #18 on: September 22, 2022, 04:08:41 PM

Agreed.
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Reply #19 on: October 05, 2022, 03:47:46 PM

This is seriously good shit. Completely different vibe than the good GOT stuff, but good in a different way. Before this I don't think I could have told you what an old dragon is supposed to look like, but they fucking nailed it.

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Reply #20 on: October 07, 2022, 01:35:29 PM

I'm really enjoying this and I didn't actually expect to.
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Reply #21 on: October 07, 2022, 02:00:43 PM

The show has gotten way way way better since the time jump.

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Reply #22 on: October 10, 2022, 12:58:09 PM

Just give Paddy Considine all the Emmys.

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Reply #23 on: October 10, 2022, 05:24:13 PM

He's done a fantastic job giving depth to a character who might otherwise have come off like a dull chump.
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Reply #24 on: October 10, 2022, 05:32:31 PM

That said I certainly hope he is actually fucking dead this time, I've thought he died every single episode since week 2.

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Reply #25 on: October 10, 2022, 10:04:23 PM

It took me a while to even notice in a previous episode that he had lost an arm.
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Reply #26 on: October 10, 2022, 10:08:25 PM

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Reply #27 on: October 11, 2022, 10:44:38 AM

Yeah, this is better than any of the other fantasy shit that's come out in the last year or so by miles.  I read the book earlier this year so knew it was going to start slow because there is a lot of setup involved to get all the characters and factions into place.  But just as I hoped, it's getting better episode by episode as they speed towards the main event.  The book format of being a historical narration of what happened really does make it great adaptation material.  Martin sketched out a very War of the Rose's succession battle with lots of fun back and forth, and now the show runners have all the leeway to fill in the details while following that plot.  Having said that, I'm pretty bummed that Miguel Sapochnik announced he's stepping away as show runner.  Other than the fact it's always concerning to see the show runner get changed on a show you like, he was the guy who directed all the the best action episodes in the last season or two of GoT's, and season 2 would be glorious with him in charge.  Oh well, maybe they can bring him back to direct.

And yes, Paddy Considine did a great job with the character.  You really feel for him, even though he obviously was not the right man for the job.  Also liked how they were consistent in that no matter how brutal and envious Daemon has been over the years, even after getting pushed out from being next in succession despite that being the norm under law, he always remained faithful to his brother.  Faults and all.  Good character building.

Though I swear to god I feel like I'm watching John Adams as played by Paul Giamatti, but now he's been made a king.  Character and acting seem really similar to me.

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Reply #28 on: October 11, 2022, 06:59:57 PM

Took me until yesterday to realize that PC was one of the Andy's.


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Reply #29 on: October 14, 2022, 03:17:29 AM

Just binged to get up to date on this.

Surprised me how good it is.

The one thing I really did not like is the very last scene in episode 8.

I don't think they needed miscommunication as a plot device.

Throughout I'd say they sometimes put one line of dialog too many to explain the plot or someone's thoughts. But on the whole it's great.

Confidence with which they handle the time jumps is especially great.

I think they are going to miss Sapochnik though. Every episode has his rhythm running right through it. It isn't just that he did many of the best action episodes on GoT, hes also great at pacing the rest of the show, and his ability to present KL as an actual place and avoid it feeling like a thing that only exists to serve plot is a real asset here.

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Reply #30 on: October 14, 2022, 03:46:47 AM

Yeah, I'm nervous about him leaving, but oh well.

And agree on that last scene.  I really hope they don't make shit hit the fan because the two girls made up, but then suddenly one misunderstands a prophecy she heard from a dying old man.  In the book it's just the increasing tension, hatred, paranoia, and bouts of violence over two decades between the two sides of the family which leads to irrevocable differences by the time of succession.  And they've been building up to that very well, but then this....

Also, lol, I only just realized that was Laenor running off with Qarl at the end of the other episode, and they faked his death.  Qarl actually killed him in the book.
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Reply #31 on: October 14, 2022, 04:57:09 AM

Yeah, I'm nervous about him leaving, but oh well.

And agree on that last scene.  I really hope they don't make shit hit the fan because the two girls made up, but then suddenly one misunderstands a prophecy she heard from a dying old man.  In the book it's just the increasing tension, hatred, paranoia, and bouts of violence over two decades between the two sides of the family which leads to irrevocable differences by the time of succession.  And they've been building up to that very well, but then this....

Also, lol, I only just realized that was Laenor running off with Qarl at the end of the other episode, and they faked his death.  Qarl actually killed him in the book.

The fact the princess and queen had personally made up didn't remotely prevent them going to war in my view.

I think they can turn it around if they play it as Alicent using it as an excuse rather than becoming a true believer.

The whole show has a done a really good job with everyone loving and hating everyone else at the same time.

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Reply #32 on: October 14, 2022, 09:15:26 AM


Also, lol, I only just realized that was Laenor running off with Qarl at the end of the other episode, and they faked his death.  Qarl actually killed him in the book.

They have apparently done a few things to whitewash the blacks, which is understandable as Rhaenyra is really the main character.

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Reply #33 on: October 16, 2022, 08:36:41 AM

I didn't think the miscommunication mattered all that much because the two factions are completely aligned for war otherwise. Otto Hightower and his two grandsons would override Alicent in any event. Alicent wants to be convinced to fight.

This last episode was terrific. The scene in the throneroom was just great ("he can keep his tongue" is going to become one of Those Quotes that everyone remembers) and so was the dinner scene.

One thing I appreciate is that in a subtle way the show is also demonstrating how badly things have run down by the time of the main Song of Fire and Ice books--everybody is MUCH more reluctant to engage in poisonings, assassinations, murder and so on; the power and majesty of the Targaryens overall looms over everything in Westeros. Alicent is genuinely horrified and disgusted by her eldest son; compare to Cersei's relative indifference to Joffrey's conduct (well, Cersei is no stranger to perversity, after all).
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Reply #34 on: October 16, 2022, 09:39:31 AM

Yeah, the show has done a really good job with that.  The book also emphasized that this point (actually, basically right up to this last episode) is the absolute height of Targ power in Westeros.  It's all down hill from here, even if the downhill takes another few hundred years to hit bottom.

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