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Reply #175 on: September 13, 2019, 01:21:47 PM

Does Robert Jordan's wife have any creative input in this project?
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Reply #176 on: September 13, 2019, 01:46:20 PM

Does cashing a check count as creative input?

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Reply #177 on: September 13, 2019, 02:13:25 PM

That would be creative output.

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Reply #178 on: September 13, 2019, 02:16:36 PM

She's listed as "Consulting Producer" in the IMDB credits: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3146446/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr8
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Reply #179 on: September 13, 2019, 10:36:39 PM

Seeing them together like that in color, I can totally see Two Rivers as ethnically darker skinned in general and Rand standing out like a sore thumb.  I'm guessing the blond is Moraine?  She and Lan's actor look older enough that it could work.

Rosamund Pike is 40. She was a Bond girl almost 20 years ago.

I don't think you need to worry about her looking old enough to contrast with the tweenagers.

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Reply #180 on: September 17, 2019, 01:46:48 PM

I would prefer that, because then it would probably exclude the possibility of it being an angsty teen drama that plays out more like a commercial for perfume and underwear.  And also because I really like tits.  But wait, which service is even producing this thing?

It's Amazon so if they want tits, they can make it happen. I'm still not sure if I am going to watch this.  I kind of want to but on the other hand, I have a real love/hate relationship with the books and never finished because I wanted to find Jordan and smack him for dragging things out. If the show runners do what early GoT did and cut out extra shit and consolidate characters I think it could work.



This is largely where I am as well. The fact that I don't revere the books means I'd be fine with it getting the GoT treatment, and this time the series is "finished," so there is little danger of the "where do we go now" problem that GoT fans feel plague the ending seasons.

I'm actually looking forward to this, now that I think about it.
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Reply #181 on: September 17, 2019, 04:00:28 PM



This is largely where I am as well. The fact that I don't revere the books means I'd be fine with it getting the GoT treatment, and this time the series is "finished," so there is little danger of the "where do we go now" problem that GoT fans feel plague the ending seasons.

I'm actually looking forward to this, now that I think about it.

"Where do we go now?" isn't the problem.

"Does this road consist of nothing but off-ramps and back roads that lead to dead ends? Will we ever get to the end?" that's the problem.

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Reply #182 on: October 02, 2019, 12:33:41 PM

First wednesday of the month, that means another official update from the Writers Room!!

This time, it's a nice video sneak peek at the very first "table read" the entire cast did back on September 10th:

https://twitter.com/WoTonPrime/status/1179425813327798273  (you can also watch it on Instagram, look for the "wotonprime" account there).
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We know the main cast members, of course, but it's everyone's guess about the rest of the fellas in there; some think they spot Michael McElhatton (GOT's Roose Bolton); others think the other one with white hair and glasses might be Thom's actor. Blond girl next to Marcus Rutherford (Perrin) : Elayne maybe? Doubt it, but hey...
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Reply #183 on: November 08, 2019, 04:18:00 AM

One more actor has been revealed on this month's "WoT Wednesday" :

Michael McElhatton (of "Roose Bolton" fame) will play Tam al'Thor:

Finally, there is a rumor (totally unconfirmed of course) circulating about the possibility that, in the adaptation, instead of Thom Merrilin, Tam will actually depart Emond's Field with the rest of the gang; would that imply that our favourite gleeman has been cut? Or they'll simply find him as they travel (keeping all the subplots involving him untouched, bar any needed adaptation for the TV series) ?

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Reply #184 on: November 08, 2019, 08:00:41 AM

I can see them starting off with Tam and sending him home when Thom shows up. Tam has to be around for when big stuff starts happening in Emond's Field.
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Reply #185 on: November 08, 2019, 08:23:37 AM

Thom showed up at the very beginning of the book.  Would be sad if they cut him.  Also, would take away from the feeling of danger and unknown if Tam is well enough to escort his boy out of the village on their journey instead of what happened.

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Reply #186 on: November 08, 2019, 01:50:20 PM

I could see them getting rid of Thom as they are cutting down so much of the story.  But it would be sad as he adds a lot of color.

Making Tam a major character is a big shift in tone from the books.  It was young people getting thrown into a much larger and complex world.  Tam providing guidance changes all that.
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Reply #187 on: November 08, 2019, 04:39:59 PM

Maybe he's the new Sean Bean

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Reply #188 on: November 08, 2019, 04:53:11 PM

I think I'm going to re-read the first book to see if I still like it, since the series became so awful after Book 5 or so.
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Reply #189 on: November 08, 2019, 04:59:34 PM

I think I'm going to re-read the first book to see if I still like it, since the series became so awful after Book 5 or so.


First book is still pretty decent. Mostly tightly held together.

I am re-reading through the whole thing again and am up to book 7 I think. I am able to ignore a lot of the stuff because it is just annoying fluff between some decently interesting bits of story and I read fast. It is very much a S. Morgenstern-esque tale of high adventure after a few books. Hopefully the TV show will be the "Good Parts version." Too bad Goldman isn't around to adapt it  why so serious?

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Reply #190 on: November 08, 2019, 05:19:30 PM

Regarding Tam, yes, he might offer some more guidance earlier on, but he also might be the one that fights the Fade outside Whitebridge; Rand believes him dead, blames Moiraine for everything (supported by our favourite braid-tugger, of course :D). Then we find out that somehow he survived and gets back to Emond's Field 'til Perrin arrives; plot is somehow restored to the book version. Remember that he and Mat's father also dare to go to Tar Valon to find out where their boys are :P

Thom joins the gang between Whitebridge and Caemlyn, or perhaps even later on in Cairhien. Actually, Cairhien makes more sense if they were to deviate the plot that much: he's just not that welcomed in Caemlyn, no matters how bad he wants to keep an eye on Elayne and Morgase, and also he inevitably likes to get involved in Daes Dae'mar (ugh, can't wait for whole episodes with people all talking like GoT's Littlefinger :P)

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Reply #191 on: November 11, 2019, 05:41:41 AM

It blows my mind how much of this shit you guys even remember.

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Reply #192 on: November 11, 2019, 06:43:00 AM

I read the series up until the "Patch of Badgers" or some such book, and all I remember is endless tugging of braids.
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Reply #193 on: November 11, 2019, 06:59:42 AM

It blows my mind how much of this shit you guys even remember.

I reread the series probably 8 times when I was younger. Every other time a new book came out I probably reread everything. Until maybe the last 4-5 books which I never read until it was all finished. I'm 39 and I read Eye of the World when I was in 5th grade I think?
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Reply #194 on: November 11, 2019, 08:10:41 AM

It blows my mind how much of this shit you guys even remember.

I reread the series probably 8 times when I was younger. Every other time a new book came out I probably reread everything. Until maybe the last 4-5 books which I never read until it was all finished. I'm 39 and I read Eye of the World when I was in 5th grade I think?
Same here. I started EotW in 5th grade as well, and read up through Book 7, then reread them all twice when books 8 and 9 came out. After that I put them down until Sanderson finished them, then reread them again (but skipped book 8 because it was awful).

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Reply #195 on: November 11, 2019, 09:03:44 AM

I don't remember all that much; I do remember quitting in disgust, which was the first time I think I'd bailed out on a fantasy series that I'd become invested in. Hell, I made it through the Shannara books.
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Reply #196 on: November 11, 2019, 10:38:10 AM

Heh, I have read all of it (once) except for the very last book.  I did not read it out of some kind of protest, I think because his widow thought charging 40 bucks for an ebook was a good idea.

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Reply #197 on: November 11, 2019, 11:59:39 AM

I believe I read the 1st 7 or 8 and then just couldn't fathom reading anymore in the series. It's been years so my memories are a bit foggy as I started the series way in late 90s when I ran a website devoted to Age of Empires Deathmatch mode & a poster there highly recommended the series as the greatest books ever.

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Reply #198 on: November 11, 2019, 03:09:33 PM

I don't remember all that much; I do remember quitting in disgust, which was the first time I think I'd bailed out on a fantasy series that I'd become invested in. Hell, I made it through the Shannara books.


#MeToo, including making it through the Shannara books.

Not knocking anybody else's reading interests at all, but it is interesting just how varied one's threshold of entertainment can be.

But as I said, the fact that I did not care much for the whole series means I'm a good target for the show. I liked the idea and world building, but I sure as heck don't care if they want to jazz up the presentation a bit, and even fix a load of the plot development.
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Reply #199 on: November 11, 2019, 03:23:01 PM

I quit then came back when they got an actual ending from a writer i like. The middle books were a total slug, but knowing there was an end in sight instead of another multi year wait helped.

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Reply #200 on: November 11, 2019, 08:21:11 PM

The WoT Wiki is pretty good.  If you search for a character's name you can get a history of what they did in the story.
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Reply #201 on: November 12, 2019, 07:31:37 AM

I read all of the Shannarah books that were out when I got into them (the first two series IIRC) but never went back for more. The series I quit in disgust was Sword of Truth. The first few books were pretty interesting, but once I realized he was just beating us over the head with his ideology and fetishes I put them down and never went back.

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Reply #202 on: November 12, 2019, 08:38:30 AM

You're all Darkfriends, obviously.

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Reply #203 on: November 12, 2019, 08:39:03 AM

At the time of the Shannara books I was in college and was a huge LOTR fanboy. I got about half way through Sword of Shannara before I stopped reading in disgust at how derivative and childish it was compared to LOTR. I've been thinking about giving it another shot. I was a horrible fantasy snob back then and maybe I didn't give it a fair chance.
I made it all the way through WoT although it was an incredible relief when Sanderson took over the series.
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Reply #204 on: November 12, 2019, 09:05:52 AM

I read all of the Shannarah books that were out when I got into them (the first two series IIRC) but never went back for more. The series I quit in disgust was Sword of Truth. The first few books were pretty interesting, but once I realized he was just beating us over the head with his ideology and fetishes I put them down and never went back.

And what the shit on the 200 page jaunt into BDSM around the 2/3 mark on that SoT book. I couldnít take that series seriously after that. The guy was working through something in his life, for sure.
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Reply #205 on: November 12, 2019, 10:24:59 AM

I've read the whole Sword of Truth series and watched the character get ever more powerful and ever more obnoxiously libertarian until at the end he was undisputed god emperor of the world. People had to swear fealty to him or they'd literally be eaten by monsters. :)

The dude has real issues.
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Reply #206 on: November 12, 2019, 11:08:22 AM

I made it most (all?) of the way through SoT, and generally liked it, because the dude has writing talent and I was able to tune out the obvious political shit.  But that said, the dudeís fascination with things like torture and sexual assault were a bit too far beyond the pale.  Bit of a shame he couldnít figure out how to cut out all the crap.

Shannarah was fine for the first few, but it even started to get derivative of itself in some strange way.  Ultimately pretty un-memerable.  I donít think I can name one character off the top of my head.

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Reply #207 on: November 12, 2019, 11:59:38 AM

Shannarah was fine for the first few, but it even started to get derivative of itself in some strange way.  Ultimately pretty un-memerable.  I donít think I can name one character off the top of my head.

This. Every single book eventually became Druid wakes up, puts together a crew to find the mcguffin, several of them die but they succeed, big battle in the end. They were still entertaining books, but that was the plot of every single one.

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Reply #208 on: November 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM

Which I guess was the point, but it didnít manage to stay interesting beyond the first two or three.

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Reply #209 on: November 12, 2019, 12:37:58 PM

I made it most (all?) of the way through SoT, and generally liked it, because the dude has writing talent and I was able to tune out the obvious political shit.  But that said, the dudeís fascination with things like torture and sexual assault were a bit too far beyond the pale.  Bit of a shame he couldnít figure out how to cut out all the crap.

Shannarah was fine for the first few, but it even started to get derivative of itself in some strange way.  Ultimately pretty un-memerable.  I donít think I can name one character off the top of my head.

I think what you consider writing talent and what I do are very far apart.

The sheer amount of ridiculous logical inconsistencies in the Goodkind books is nearly as bad as his Ayn Rand fetish. The events of the first 4 books somehow take place in the span of something like a year. Yet the characters somehow WALK across the entire world, engage in battles with "hundreds of thousands" of troops on each side. Rest for a few weeks here and there to be BDSM tortured or turned into a lizard man or whatever.

When you look at his picture on a bookjacket you can FEEL the "this guy is a colossal prick" just oozing off the page.

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