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on: June 19, 2019, 05:23:23 PM

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As some of you may know, after some uncertainty and back & forth, radio silence (as far as 2017), being overshadowed by the LOTR tv series, etc. , last october Amazon finally decided to order a series based on the popular Rober Jordan books.  

Showrunner is Rafe Judkins (Marvel's Agents of SHIELD).
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Today, he announced who will play Moiraine Sedai: Rosamund Pike



Yep, she definitely has that "Witch of Tar Valon" look  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

I still have to finish the books, anyway; you know,  yes, they  are exhausting, derivative, repetitive...But I still find myself drawn to them. No matter what you think about RJ talent as a writer, he definitely put his very soul on every single one he wrote.

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Reply #1 on: June 19, 2019, 06:31:14 PM

I'm surprised they got a semi big name for what should be a very long term role.

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Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 07:06:49 PM

I'm surprised they got a semi big name for what should be a very long term role.

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Reply #3 on: June 19, 2019, 07:12:37 PM

I'm surprised they got a semi big name for what should be a very long term role.

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Lol, i had completely forgotten about that and i was the one who posted it. I doubt he is still attached to this.

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Reply #4 on: June 19, 2019, 10:39:56 PM

I'm not sure why anyone thinks that a book series as long and drawn out as the Wheel of Time is going to be able to be filmed. The GOT actors were ready to move on after 5 or so seasons. Do they really think anyone is going to want to play Rand Al'Thor for 24 goddamn years?

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Reply #5 on: June 19, 2019, 11:25:39 PM

Here's the thing.  I think its legitimately possible to go through the entire long mess of work that is the Wheel of Time, and pull out the very best story threads, and weave them together in a 6'ish season long show.  There were plenty of good moments through the series, and you could cull 70% of it, keeping the best parts, and make a pretty fun show.  That is literally the only way forward when somebody thinks they can adapt this.  I doubt it will be done well, and the series will almost certainly be terrible, but that is a way forward with it.

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Reply #6 on: June 19, 2019, 11:40:25 PM

RJ was not known for his exquisite plotting.  His characters just seemed to bumble around until something happened.  This WILL be terrible, UNLESS they unleash some very good TV writers to tighten stuff up.
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Reply #7 on: June 19, 2019, 11:54:20 PM

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Reply #8 on: June 20, 2019, 12:20:29 AM

This is a book series I couldn't finish. I read thousands of pages of braid tugging, women plotting to sex up Rand Al'Thor and the plot just spinning its wheels. Ironically. The last of the books I read I found myself skipping entire chapters because it was just so monotonous. I think there were 4, maybe 5 books after I stopped.

This can only work if they do what the first 5 seasons of GOT did. Look at the books. Keep the good, jettison the pointless bullshit. Which, sadly, Wheel of Time is about 80% pointless bullshit, 15% kind of cool world building and 5% plot movement.

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Reply #9 on: June 20, 2019, 12:23:41 AM

Heh, surprised they got Pike although I guess actors are willing to chase that sweet GoT-ish payday.  Considering they tried Shannara and now this I await the inevitable Dragonlance adaption.

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Reply #10 on: June 20, 2019, 12:46:23 AM

Sure, why not.  If they filter out the boring bits, this could work.

Shannara....I tried, but among other reasons, that show doesn't work for me because it clearly aimed at the Young Adult demo, which makes zero goddamn sense.  Sometimes I can get past that, but it was also pretty cheesy at the same time.

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Reply #11 on: June 20, 2019, 01:12:23 AM

For me, the breaking point was when he brought back Mazrim Taim. The same book saw the return the the Red Ajah, and that was when I realized that he was just not capable of tying off a plot thread and FUCKING LEAVING IT TIED, GOD DAMN YOU WHY CAN'T YOU FUCKING RESOLVE ANYTHING, YOU MONEY CHASING CUM GUZZLER!

I dropped the book mid-reading, something I have literally never done on purpose for anything else. I'm told Sanderson did a decent job of untangling that shit, but I refuse to reward bullshit, even posthumously.

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Reply #12 on: June 20, 2019, 01:24:23 AM

This was originally going to be a trilogy  of books. At the end of writing the first book it was still supposed to be a trilogy.  They could do the entire meaningful core of the series in 3 6 hour seasons.

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Reply #13 on: June 20, 2019, 01:43:48 AM

I read every book in WoT except for the very last book, and I seem to recall it had something to do with Jordan's widow insisting that the e-book version cost the same as the hard cover, like 40 bucks or whatever.  Which I would never, ever, ever, ever go.  Sanderson did indeed do a good job upon taking over, but I doubt I will ever bring myself to dig into the last one.  Probably still costs 40 bucks.

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Reply #14 on: June 20, 2019, 02:57:24 AM

There is no way in hell they could do the entire series in the confines of anything approaching a modern TV series.   I mean, fuck, if they were going to do this for TV, doing it like some kind of Action / Fantasy Soap Opera instead of Game of thrones would be a more realistic approach.

I mean, sweet jesus, to do this "game of thrones" style would require so much editing and plot compression that you might as well just make a TV series based on the Coles Notes version of the books.  Also, not exactly sure how you would handle the cast in this thing, as if you were going to stay true to the books, you would need something like 40+ major character actors, let alone touching on the important minor characters.  Doing the ENTIRE 14 book series would make game of thrones look like a walk in the park....

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Reply #15 on: June 20, 2019, 05:46:45 AM

I await the inevitable Dragonlance adaption.

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Reply #16 on: June 20, 2019, 06:43:39 AM

Not only is this substantially longer than GoT, it's much more fantastical which will require more SFX. The constant magic use, hordes of Trollocs, the numerous alternate dimensions, etc. I'm guessing we get a few mediocre seasons and then it gets cancelled.

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Reply #17 on: June 20, 2019, 07:33:53 AM

I would have guessed - possibly totally off based - that those kinds of effects are relatively cheap today.  At least as opposed to some of the major production costs of GoT and the insane battle scenes.  And most of my memory of WoT is decidely not an action-packed affair.  Small groups roaming around, doing fuck-all most of the time.

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Reply #18 on: June 20, 2019, 07:59:06 AM

Sanderson did do a good job finishing it up.  Except the rat bastard actually
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Reply #19 on: June 20, 2019, 08:45:49 AM

If they hired Sanderson to adapt it for a TV he'd do a great job. He's already shown how good he is at telling the story and leaving out the filler with the last 2 books.
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Reply #20 on: June 20, 2019, 08:47:28 AM

If you cut any reference to the other boys being so much better with girls, you'll trim 6 books right there.

Even the first book - which is by far the most compressed - spends paragraphs and paragraphs describing things that will just be on the screen without any need to spend pages describing the weave of the carpet, where it came from, how many people walked on it on Tuesday, etc.... /

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Reply #21 on: June 20, 2019, 08:51:02 AM

    I would have guessed - possibly totally off based - that those kinds of effects are relatively cheap today.  At least as opposed to some of the major production costs of GoT and the insane battle scenes.  And most of my memory of WoT is decidely not an action-packed affair.  Small groups roaming around, doing fuck-all most of the time.
    The "sitting around doing fuckall" bits are the ones that get cut in favor of packaging this down into a reasonable amount of episodes. In my mind, here's what cutting book 1 down into a season looks like:
    That feels like it would be a lot flashier and action-packed than, say, the first season of GoT and thus, I assume, cost more. Setting a pace of one book per season virtually guarantees it will never get finished, but I don't know how you could cut EotW down into fewer than 8-10 episodes. If they do ~20 episode seasons I could imagine them doing two or more books at once, particularly in the later books when there's more sitting around braid tugging.

    They'll also have the same issue GoT had with minor characters: a lot of folks show up for a scene or two in the first few books before becoming important later (Elaida, Morgase, Elayne and Min all come to mind just from skimming Book 1's summary). How do you get decent actors/actresses to commit to multiple seasons when they'll only be doing cameos early on? Or do you just say fuck it, and recast like Beric, the Mountain, etc.?
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    Reply #22 on: June 20, 2019, 09:47:13 AM

    You can cut out 2/3 of the material simply by cutting out the descriptive passages.

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    Reply #23 on: June 20, 2019, 10:09:08 AM

    Exactly.  And something like Book 1 could fill up a season or two.  Books 5 through 10 can conversely be pressed into 1 or 2.  This is totally doable if they put competent people on it.

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    Reply #24 on: June 20, 2019, 10:12:43 AM

    There are very few competent people though.

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    Reply #25 on: June 20, 2019, 11:06:05 AM

    In spite of opinions of the later seasons, we have been fairly spoiled by GoT.  I would be okay with some decent, campy, fantasy schlock.  Like Shannara could have been if it wasnít starring beautiful young people and to be watched by beautiful young people (I always felt like I was watching an extended commercial for Axe Body Spray or something).

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    Reply #26 on: June 20, 2019, 12:36:43 PM

    One of the reasons I was able to appreciate Game of Thrones the show was that I had been avoiding George R.R. Martin as an author (as opposed to an editor) since the eighties. I tried a few chapters of Game of Thrones the book and tossed it, realizing that he had only gotten worse. So I could watch the show without even in the back of my mind going "that's not how it was in the books!"

    What I am getting at here is that I tried to plow through The Wheel of Time series for long enough that I still feel the emotion scars. I don't think I could watch and enjoy any adaptation of it without having flashbacks, no matter how well they fixed the source material.

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    Reply #27 on: June 20, 2019, 01:55:24 PM

    Now, I'm in a hurry and writing from a sucky tablet, but of you search a bit for articles regarding the latest news about the series, you'll notice that there's going to be a *strong* emphasis on Moiraine: It looks like the story, at least at the beginning, is going to be narrated from her point of view, probably in order to provide a more immediate overview of the overarching lore. That would also avoid a "Shire-like" vibe you would get if they were kicking off by presenting the Emond's Field gang

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    Reply #28 on: June 20, 2019, 02:46:26 PM

    Thatís a weird choice if true. Moiraine knows too much about what is going on.  Part of her function is to delay the plot so itís not over in just one book.  It would be better to use Rand so the audience can absorb the lore along with everyone else.
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    Reply #29 on: June 20, 2019, 03:44:01 PM

    She may be the narrator - allowing them to spend 35 minutes describing the weave of a rug, just like in the books.

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    Reply #30 on: June 20, 2019, 06:26:11 PM

    That doesn't seem like a great choice, but I may be biased because I never liked her in the books. As Brolan said, you don't want a well-informed narrator for a story like this; you want someone who knows nothing, so that the powers that be explain things to them and thus, the audience.

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    Reply #31 on: June 20, 2019, 11:25:00 PM

    Never finished the series, but I'd be interested in watching a "good parts version" TV adaptation that takes the best 30-40% of the material and tosses the repetitive and going nowhere bits.  Seems like an easier thing to deal with than ASOIAF where the back end is just missing entirely.  I've never seen even serious fans of WoT argue that it doesn't drag on and on in the middle, so I doubt you're going to see much outrage cutting it down to something that fits in 3-5 seasons of TV.
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    Reply #32 on: June 20, 2019, 11:34:41 PM

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    Reply #33 on: June 21, 2019, 12:18:03 AM

    You could literally cut 80% of what's in the books and lose nothing except all the hair that's in Nyaneve's braids that she tugs constantly.

    The basic story arc is: hobbit farmboy discovers he must carry the One Ring the powerful spirit of a dead guy to fight the Dark Lord and brings his hobbit farmboy friends along for the ride, whereupon they also become powerful and famous. Plus there's a ranger and a Gandalf with tits and then there's some witch sorcerers.

    The major unique schtick is the scheming/rivalry among the major antagonists, a smart TV writer could probably do some good stuff with that.
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    Reply #34 on: June 21, 2019, 12:27:07 AM

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