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Reply #70 on: November 19, 2017, 04:19:44 AM

It also does a good job of highlighting everything I hate about their current iteration of Batman.  
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Reply #71 on: November 26, 2017, 08:45:57 AM

Bad. BvS bad. The few things that they got right were things they should have had right all along and all of the problems that they've carried from prior films continue to annoy the heck out of me. They don't even understand their characters. If I were them, I would accelerate into a Crisis on infinite Earths storyline and use that to jettison everyone except Superman and Wonder Woman. Then I'd replace the entire creative team except Jenkins.
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Reply #72 on: November 26, 2017, 01:48:22 PM

Prior films?  Or Richard Pryor films?

Or was there someone else named Pryor involved with the films.

So confused right now.
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Reply #73 on: November 26, 2017, 05:03:37 PM

I haven't even really felt the desire to see this. That's saying something. It's not even hate or anger, it's just, "Oh, meh, I'm busy and I'm tired and it just isn't interesting."
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Reply #74 on: November 27, 2017, 12:03:49 AM

Prior films?  Or Richard Pryor films?

Or was there someone else named Pryor involved with the films.

So confused right now.
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Reply #75 on: November 27, 2017, 12:05:47 AM

I haven't even really felt the desire to see this. That's saying something. It's not even hate or anger, it's just, "Oh, meh, I'm busy and I'm tired and it just isn't interesting."

Don't bother. I had hopes after WW and Whedon coming on board to doctor the film that it would be a decent film. It was bad. There were perhaps 4 or 5 moments I enjoyed over the two hours.

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Reply #76 on: November 27, 2017, 11:09:05 AM

I disagree with what you said.

As for the portrayal of Batman, it's not necessarily my choice, but it does have precedence in the comics. This is essentially Zak Snyder's film version of the Batman from Dark Knight Returns, big tank and all.

The movie was better than it deserved to be, mainly because the actors played their characters well, and Whedon got some of the Snyder grimstank off of it. It's not as good as the Marvel movies, true, but it is not as bad as jgsugden makes it out to be, and it's worlds better than BVS.

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Reply #77 on: December 11, 2017, 05:34:28 PM

Felt pretty middle-of-the-road to me overall.  Not as bad as I was worried it would be.  The thing that kept battering my suspension of disbelief was
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Reply #78 on: December 12, 2017, 02:56:45 AM

Coworker mentioned that with the money Warner was throwing at this thing, and the probable expected difference in budget and potential earnings between League and the movie Cavill had grown the mustache for, Warner should have just commanded him to shave the fucking thing hand had their hair and wig department make Cavill the most realistic fake mustache they could for the remainder of his shoot on the other movie.  The fake mustache would likely have been WAY more convincing and less noticeable in his other movie than the fucking hatchet job they did trying to remove it with CGI for league, not to mention that between the two options, the fake mustache would have been a hell of a lot cheaper.

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Reply #79 on: February 25, 2018, 06:17:42 AM

We watched this on cable last night.

I think it was worse than BvS, really. We actually gave up 3/4 of the way in. It felt like a bad videogame, not an actual story. Steppenwolf was utterly unmenacing and uninvolving. The opening is idiotic--the world is in mourning for a guy they barely knew whose major achievement was contributing to the destruction of a major city? Post-WWs own movie, the idea that she's been in hiding for a century feels really wrong--she doesn't feel like the character who was so engaging in her own film. I actually kind of like Affleck's version of the character but he also doesn't really make sense in this cobbled-together patchwork of a universe. Cyborg is not a character here, he's a plot device. Flash and Aquaman are funny and engaging but in very disjointed ways.

Just bad. What a waste of characters, money, you name it.

Mark Millar has just been blathering about how DC can never make a good movie because their superheroes aren't interesting for films, they don't have real personalities. That's a dumb position. These characters can work--but their need someone like Kevin Feige as the master of ceremonies, someone who gets the characters and has real affection for them. They really should just push out the James Wan Aquaman movie and then just scrap the rest and start over--keep making Wonder Woman movies with that production team and then rebuild everything else up.
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Reply #80 on: February 25, 2018, 01:43:10 PM

The problem with DC's movies aren't the characters, it's the writers they put in charge of those characters (Zak Snyder) and the execs who have no patience for anything that isn't an immediate commercial hit. Just in the 5 years since Man of Steel was a modest success at the box office, they've changed direction on the entire range of DC movies multiple times, mostly because they just clearly do not have a coherent plan or the patience to let their current plan play out past the last weekend's take.

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Reply #81 on: February 25, 2018, 04:35:28 PM

I was honest to god surprised that it was as bad as it was.
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Reply #82 on: February 25, 2018, 04:48:03 PM

I liked it and was surprised it wasn't worse. They managed to piece together a coherent film that mostly held together despite clear structural issues (thanks to Warner's inability to keep a plan together), divergent tonal shifts (two directors) and the legacy narrative bits it had to deal with from the Snyder movies.

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Reply #83 on: February 25, 2018, 04:52:52 PM

I'm just going to go ahead and shove my two cents in here :  Sure, writers and people who give a shit helps, but DC heroes are not very interesting.  Especially the JL big forerunners.  They're supposed to be 'as Gods' and, frankly, Gods are boring as SHIT.

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Reply #84 on: February 25, 2018, 05:01:12 PM

I'm just going to go ahead and shove my two cents in here :  Sure, writers and people who give a shit helps, but DC heroes are not very interesting.  Especially the JL big forerunners.  They're supposed to be 'as Gods' and, frankly, Gods are boring as SHIT.

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It all comes down to the people in charge. Thor is a shit character, a literal god, and they made Ragnarok some sort of slapstick horseshit. Which is great and watchable. Comic book characters are pretty universally miserable, DC just suffers more because they used up their entire power vocabulary with Superman.
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Reply #85 on: July 22, 2018, 06:45:02 PM

I saw this last week on HBO and even with my expectations at rock-bottom.  Fuck, this was bad.  A complete snooze fest as I nodded off about hour into it.   

And why did some of the characters have fake CGI faces?  WTH was up with that?
 
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Reply #86 on: July 22, 2018, 06:49:10 PM

Superman was under contract to do another movie, in which he had a mustache.  Rather than buy out his contract, or negotiate for a delay, they decided to CGI-ify away the 'stache.

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Reply #87 on: August 22, 2018, 03:42:58 AM

As said already, fake mustaches aren't a new thing, I suspect you can get some pretty convincing ones cheaper than a single CGI manipulated frame.

Not that the mustache would have saved this movie. It had more problems than you can count. They even reduced Wonder Woman from a hero in her own movie to a vessel for sexual innuendo, coworker harassment, and individual body parts to be gazed at by the camera (ass cheeks mostly.) Not that I complain about the last part, her body is the best thing about the movie, but still. That must have hurt after a film that was lauded for its female empowerment.
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Reply #88 on: August 22, 2018, 10:16:43 AM

I didn't know about the moustache, but it is a better story than the one they filmed.

On the personality/god thing. They don't have to have no personality and they don't have to be gods. These films are made by professional film makers who are supposed to be capable of creating a character with a personality and selling that character in <120 minutes. It is literally their job.

Fuck sake Lois and Clark managed it.
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Reply #89 on: August 22, 2018, 10:40:17 AM

Marvel can animate each individual hair on a god damn raccoon and DC can't manage to wipe off a mustache.

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Reply #90 on: August 22, 2018, 12:29:08 PM

Marvel can make you believe in a talking raccoon as a legitimate character in the first place.

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Reply #91 on: August 22, 2018, 04:34:11 PM

To be fair, I doubt Marvel could do it with Zac Snyder directing.

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Reply #92 on: August 22, 2018, 04:40:40 PM

I just couldn't get past the baby mouthed Superman. I bowed out before they even showed anything else. It's just so jarring that a major motion picture company to leave that garbage in.

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Reply #93 on: August 22, 2018, 04:59:15 PM

I mean, shit, have Superman grow a scraggly beard to go with the stache while he's dead and then have him be Hobo Superman for the rest of the film until he redons the suit at the very end, why not? Anything but what they did.
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Reply #94 on: August 23, 2018, 02:37:13 AM

As said already, fake mustaches aren't a new thing, I suspect you can get some pretty convincing ones cheaper than a single CGI manipulated frame.

The other movie that he needed the mustache for was Mission Impossible. Fake mustaches don't really cut it quite as well when they need to stay firmly on during stunts and fight scenes.
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Reply #95 on: August 23, 2018, 03:29:43 AM

I don't really care about the Scientologist Supremes beards, so why should I care about the mustaches in his movies.  Rimshot
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