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Reply #70 on: August 07, 2017, 05:31:13 PM

I feel like if Ridley Scott had thought he was creating a universe, they would have been.
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Reply #71 on: August 07, 2017, 05:54:39 PM

I feel like if Ridley Scott had thought he was creating a universe, they would have been.

He didn't create a universe, he created an anthology series where 4 different directors did their take on Ripley vs. Xenomorph and each of those takes is in a completely different subgenre from the rest. Now he's just making fanfic level backstory that should have been relegated to a chapter of some Alien art book or something. Instead Scott thinks he's making the Silmarillion of the Alien franchise or something because he thinks paying lip service to the ideas of gods and creation is somehow the same as actually having something to say about the subject.
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Reply #72 on: August 07, 2017, 09:11:39 PM

I feel like if Ridley Scott had thought he was creating a universe, they would have been.

He didn't create a universe, he created an anthology series where 4 different directors did their take on Ripley vs. Xenomorph and each of those takes is in a completely different subgenre from the rest. Now he's just making fanfic level backstory that should have been relegated to a chapter of some Alien art book or something. Instead Scott thinks he's making the Silmarillion of the Alien franchise or something because he thinks paying lip service to the ideas of gods and creation is somehow the same as actually having something to say about the subject.
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Reply #73 on: August 08, 2017, 01:27:26 AM

Doesn't mean you're wrong.

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Reply #74 on: August 08, 2017, 05:05:10 AM

I feel like if Ridley Scott had thought he was creating a universe, they would have been.

He didn't create a universe, he created an anthology series where 4 different directors did their take on Ripley vs. Xenomorph and each of those takes is in a completely different subgenre from the rest. Now he's just making fanfic level backstory that should have been relegated to a chapter of some Alien art book or something. Instead Scott thinks he's making the Silmarillion of the Alien franchise or something because he thinks paying lip service to the ideas of gods and creation is somehow the same as actually having something to say about the subject.
When I say this about Star Wars, people split a fucking lip.

I have a lot of the same issues with Rogue One that I have with Alien: Covenant.
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Reply #75 on: August 27, 2017, 03:49:05 AM

Rented this last night, knowing very little except "it's related to Prometheus" thinking "oops, I forgot to see that new Alien movie; at last some proper sci-fi to watch!"

I've enjoyed every previous Alien movie. I should confirm that I like Alien 3, Alien:Resurrection, and Promethius.

Alien: Covenant was fucking awful. A story that detracted from all the others, made bad use of aliens, and was stupidly predictable at every turn. Not even worth a rental. I wish I'd waited until it turned up on an SVOD service, and even if it does I'd recommend re-watching The Expanse instead.

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Reply #76 on: September 02, 2017, 06:36:37 PM

Yeah this isn't a good movie.

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Reply #77 on: September 03, 2017, 06:02:45 AM

I saw it recently too, borrowed it from someone whose friendship I am now doubting.

It was fucking awful, and I was watching it with very low expectations to start with.
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Reply #78 on: September 30, 2017, 03:44:02 AM

Had to switch if off, was that bad.

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Reply #79 on: October 02, 2017, 04:18:37 PM

I'm pretty sure Ridley Scott peaked with Blade Runner. I have a pet theory on this, but I'm pretty sure that I'm right.

As far as Covenant: lol. Literally burst out laughing during the slip-on-blood scene. Worst part is, one can't even blame the actors. I liked McBride, his character was the only one who actually did something that related to his character's skill set. The rest were just given nothing to work with. It was like someone read the wiki synopsis of Alien, and decided to make a movie based on the synopsis.

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Reply #80 on: October 03, 2017, 05:46:18 PM

I thought it opened well but basically everything from after the lander got blown up was dogshit and then kept getting worse and worse and cornier and cornier and stupider and stupider.

I mean sure he peaked with Blade Runner but that's like one of the best movies ever so idk. He did make good movies after that though most of his stuff is def watchable all the way to like Body of Lies. After that... Counselor was an bizzare thing that I guess sort of kept me watching? Then his brother... and I mean I think now he's phoning it in completely. There's no excuse for whatever the fuck Covenant was.

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Reply #81 on: October 03, 2017, 07:02:46 PM

The movie he directed before Alien: Covenant was The Martian.
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Reply #82 on: October 03, 2017, 09:23:11 PM

I suspect the quality of his movies depends a lot on who he has working for him.



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Reply #83 on: October 04, 2017, 03:23:17 AM

The movie he directed before Alien: Covenant was The Martian.


I will hear nothing against The Martian.  It was awesome.

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Reply #84 on: October 04, 2017, 07:53:56 AM

I thought it opened well but basically everything from after the lander got blown up was dogshit and then kept getting worse and worse and cornier and cornier and stupider and stupider.

That's actually where I switched it off, sounds like the right decision. Thought it opened well aswell, everything after landing on the planet for me was ridiculous. Also the gore seemed unnecessary.

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Reply #85 on: October 05, 2017, 08:00:28 AM

The movie he directed before Alien: Covenant was The Martian.


I will hear nothing against The Martian.  It was awesome.


I agree, the Martian was great, but his other output this century has been awful. Prometheus and Robin Hood especially are movies that are literally painful to watch. I haven't watched Covenant but suspect it will be more of the same.

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Reply #86 on: October 05, 2017, 08:08:26 AM

I will hear nothing positive about Prometheus.  It was Awful.


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Reply #87 on: October 05, 2017, 08:24:15 AM

The visuals in Prometheus were fantastic.  BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Reply #88 on: October 05, 2017, 12:10:03 PM

The movie he directed before Alien: Covenant was The Martian.
I will hear nothing against The Martian.  It was awesome.
I agree, the Martian was great, but his other output this century has been awful. Prometheus and Robin Hood especially are movies that are literally painful to watch. I haven't watched Covenant but suspect it will be more of the same.
This century includes Black Hawk Down.
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Reply #89 on: October 05, 2017, 12:57:28 PM

And Gladiator.

This thread prompted me to download the movie and sort of fast forward skip watch it.  Yes, the opening was actually quite fine.  It got really fucking stupid really fast.  Like, laziest cliche "It's hard to setup scenes, we're just going to write it that everybody acts conveniently stupid" writing ever.  And the twist at the end was really badly done.  Just, what the fuck is the point of these movies!?

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Reply #90 on: October 05, 2017, 03:37:17 PM

Endless, endless gazing at Michael Fassbender.

And creating a deep philosophical... something.

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Reply #91 on: October 05, 2017, 03:52:33 PM

I feel like somewhere out there in a parallel universe there is a version of Prometheus where he wears the big head from Frank through the whole film.  In fact, that's just what Fasbender does all of the time in this universe.
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Reply #92 on: October 05, 2017, 05:01:59 PM

The movie he directed before Alien: Covenant was The Martian.
I will hear nothing against The Martian.  It was awesome.
I agree, the Martian was great, but his other output this century has been awful. Prometheus and Robin Hood especially are movies that are literally painful to watch. I haven't watched Covenant but suspect it will be more of the same.
This century includes Black Hawk Down.


I did not like that film at all.

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Reply #93 on: October 05, 2017, 11:10:08 PM

I suspect the quality of his movies depends a lot on who he has working for him.

This is basically my theory. With excellent actors (i.e. Theron, Pearce, Elba, Fassbender in Prometheus) he has a chance of getting a movie carried through. It wasn't enough to save Prometheus from being insulting, but it was enough to lull people into watching it. It is notable that no big actors other than Fassbender signed up for the movie (presumably Fassbander is going with the Jeremy Irons school of picking movies in this case). For example, same thing with Kingdom of Heaven - questionable writing made watchable by excellent actors (only Legolas is miscast) and good cinematography.

But if you take Fassbender out of the two latest movies, you essentially get some kind of b-grade effort like Pandorum. Not bad in theory, but not really worth all the fuss. In fact, things like Pandorum are immensely more watchable because at least they understand what they are as a movie, have the courage to do their own thing.

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Reply #94 on: October 05, 2017, 11:17:32 PM

And Gladiator.


I forgot about Gladiator. Add it to his "win" column this century for me. That's a great movie.



But if you take Fassbender out of the two latest movies, you essentially get some kind of b-grade effort like Pandorum. Not bad in theory, but not really worth all the fuss. In fact, things like Pandorum are immensely more watchable because at least they understand what they are as a movie, have the courage to do their own thing.

Total side note: Pandorum as a movie has entered my "Good-bad" movie list along with Event Horizon and other movies that I really enjoy despite not thinking they're great films.

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Reply #95 on: October 05, 2017, 11:30:02 PM

This century includes Black Hawk Down.


I did not like that film at all.


I like it when it starts. I like it when it's happening. I am not quite sure about it afterwards.

Alien: Covenant I didn't like at any point.

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Reply #96 on: October 06, 2017, 01:31:17 AM

The movie he directed before Alien: Covenant was The Martian.


I will hear nothing against The Martian.  It was awesome.


I agree, the Martian was great, but his other output this century has been awful. Prometheus and Robin Hood especially are movies that are literally painful to watch. I haven't watched Covenant but suspect it will be more of the same.

I actually really like the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven. It was the first movie I'd seen Eva Green in though so that helped a lot.
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Reply #97 on: October 06, 2017, 08:18:30 AM

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I actually really like the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven. It was the first movie I'd seen Eva Green in though so that helped a lot.

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