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on: October 20, 2016, 12:17:14 PM

Trailer is out, March 2017 release.

Trailer looks pretty good to me, actually.

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Reply #1 on: October 20, 2016, 03:41:44 PM

Very un-Hollywood of Hollywood to go in this direction. I am optimistic.

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Reply #2 on: October 20, 2016, 03:50:54 PM

The use of Johnny Cash's version of "Hurt" for this was brilliant.

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Reply #3 on: October 20, 2016, 06:12:26 PM

Jackman doesn't get enough credit for his acting chops, I really hope this movie gives him enough opportunity and so far I'm optimistic.

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Reply #4 on: October 20, 2016, 07:58:00 PM

The Cash song over the trailer is insanely brilliant. Whomever did that needs a raise, stat.
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Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 11:51:17 PM

Grim.  Pretty damn grim.  /lawn
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Reply #6 on: October 21, 2016, 12:59:59 AM

Excellent trailer.

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Reply #7 on: October 21, 2016, 01:02:14 AM

I missed a couple movies, but didn't Jean vaporize Prof. X?

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Reply #8 on: October 21, 2016, 01:07:18 AM

I missed a couple movies, but didn't Jean vaporize Prof. X?
Assuming this takes place in the current continuity, then yes, Jean vaporized the Prof, but then all of that was made to have never happened by the events of Days of Future Past

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Reply #9 on: October 21, 2016, 01:49:23 AM

Ah, there you go. I need to see that one then, so I'm not constantly wondering what the fuck.

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Reply #10 on: October 21, 2016, 03:26:44 AM

Basically, it set the continuity back so that the first three movies never happened.  We are back to the nice clean X-men world, were everybody is still alive and happily living at Professor X's school.

Granted, I haven't seen Apocalypse yet, so that could have re-fucked up the universe.
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Reply #11 on: October 21, 2016, 05:14:32 AM

Please don't suck, if only because I adore the Laura Kinney character in comics.

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Reply #12 on: October 21, 2016, 09:25:54 AM

Actually, Days of Future Past isn't what brought Prof. X back. They've actually never explained HOW he came back, he just showed up at the end of The Wolverine, then was inexplicably there in the future part of Days of Future Past. Apocalypse didn't explain how any of this shit works out either.

In short, the X-Men movie continuity is as fucked as the comics.

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Reply #13 on: October 21, 2016, 09:34:40 AM

They also can't make up their fucking minds if his claws are natural (and adamantium encased) or not.
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Reply #14 on: October 21, 2016, 09:58:38 AM

Yeah, it just occurred to me that in the Future of Days of Future past, the Professor is alive still.  But then when Logan appears back in the fixed timeline, he is surprised to see Scott and Jean alive, as though the terrible movie that will not be named had happened.

So, yeah.

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Reply #15 on: October 21, 2016, 10:11:29 AM

Please don't suck, if only because I adore the Laura Kinney character in comics.
Except she's trapped in a continuity by herself so unless they send her back in time or send the First Class continuity forward she's a character dead end.
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Reply #16 on: October 21, 2016, 10:15:39 AM

Prof x came back at the end credits scene of X3.  What we lack is an explanation of why he looks like Patrick Stuart again. (Or does he and that's just a mental projection by the professor as other theories have posited.  They're as legit as any other comic nonsense. )

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Reply #17 on: October 21, 2016, 10:29:13 AM

They also can't make up their fucking minds if his claws are natural (and adamantium encased) or not.


I thought there was a scene sometime that showed him having his natural bone claws removed and replaced with adamantium. Or did I imagine that? It's possible.

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Reply #18 on: October 21, 2016, 10:32:34 AM

They also can't make up their fucking minds if his claws are natural (and adamantium encased) or not.
I thought there was a scene sometime that showed him having his natural bone claws removed and replaced with adamantium. Or did I imagine that? It's possible.
Oh, could be.

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Reply #19 on: October 21, 2016, 10:35:13 AM

Was in the 2009 origins movie I think. That's where you see the adamantium process happen.

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Reply #20 on: October 21, 2016, 11:04:59 AM

They also can't make up their fucking minds if his claws are natural (and adamantium encased) or not.


I recently saw the movie where he went to Japan. His metal claws get cut off at one point and he grows bone ones, I guess from under them.
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Reply #21 on: October 21, 2016, 11:22:56 AM

I think it's fine if they just say, "This is the story we want to tell this time: Old Man Logan, REAALLY Old Man Professor X, and X-23." Then if it works, you make an X-23 movie where she's either still in the Old Man Logan world or she's back with the rest of the mutants. Nobody's working too hard to figure out how Deadpool could be working with a Colossus who is not the the Colossus of the other movies, etc.
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Reply #22 on: October 21, 2016, 11:24:06 AM

He had bone claws before he got taken by Stryker IIRC in the flashbacks. I assumed Stryker encased those in adamantium and not replaced the bone ones with metal.

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Reply #23 on: October 21, 2016, 11:27:10 AM

Right now where I am in comics land, Xavier was killed by Phoenix Cyclops... Also young Cyclops is still around, but out with the Starjammers. Simultaneously.

It's all so silly, really.

Been some good bits in both books (All-New X-Men and Uncanny), but man, so much blah. And I can't even read one of the other books because it's like whatsherface babysitting Shogo. The hell happened to Marvel.

And I'll never like bone claws.

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Reply #24 on: October 21, 2016, 11:51:44 AM

The X-Men comics right now are just fucking awful. They actually get WORSE from the point you are describing. It's like they really just have no clue what the place of mutants in the Marvel Universe is anymore.

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Reply #25 on: October 21, 2016, 11:59:48 AM

Also, having read a couple dozen books, the drop in quality at times is just cringey. Badass revamp of Dazzler as a punk chick then two issues later she's just a terrible cartoon in the hands of a crappy artist.

Anyway, kinda ties into this because outside of iconic storylines, I don't care too much about how they play out these movies as long as they are great bits of cinematography, cool heroes and cool villains.

They almost never make the villains cool.

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Reply #26 on: October 21, 2016, 12:28:02 PM

Dazzler is in A-Force now - the all women Avengers type thing. Her characterization really hasn't improved a whole helluva lot but the book is decent.

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Reply #27 on: October 21, 2016, 01:09:25 PM

Ah, there you go. I need to see that one then, so I'm not constantly wondering what the fuck.

I'm not sure it will stop your stream of what-the-fucks.  But it's an OK movie.

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Reply #28 on: October 21, 2016, 01:27:59 PM

Anyway, kinda ties into this because outside of iconic storylines, I don't care too much about how they play out these movies as long as they are great bits of cinematography, cool heroes and cool villains.

Well said.

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Reply #29 on: October 21, 2016, 03:20:11 PM

Wolverine Claws: He was born with bone claws.  When he was infused with adamantium his claws were covered in the metal sheath and sharpened.  It is assumed they were fixed off screen after being broken in the Wolverine.

Timeline: The current timeline, after the revisions of DoFP, includes the following, in order: X-Men Origins distant past (everything with Wolverine in the Canadian Wilderness and on is gone), X-Men First Class, X-Men DoFP (70s material), X-Men Apocalypse, DoFP (coda), Deadpool.  Everything else is gone.  The use of Angel so differently in Apocalypse and X-Men: Last Stand (as well as Deadpool existing in both present day and the timeline of X-Men Origins: Wolverine that was eliminated) show they are entirely ignoring the old continuity, now, and are doing things quite different.  Logan will likely be set in the future of the current continuity, but it may be its own thing in the end.

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Reply #30 on: October 21, 2016, 03:45:14 PM

Man, the latter part of this thread is why I stopped reading comics smiley

This trailer was fantastic. I don't really care how it ties to anything. Wank doesn't fill theaters. Enjoyable movies do. And they only happen if they can fill theaters.

But then, I'm the guy who liked Man of Steel and most of Affleck's new Batman (as well as Bale's).

So, probably shouldn't be in this conversation anyway.  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #31 on: October 21, 2016, 04:53:27 PM

Wank doesn't fill theaters.

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Reply #32 on: October 21, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

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Reply #33 on: October 22, 2016, 06:39:18 AM

I think figuring out how movies connect is only good if the movies depend upon connection. This film doesn't look as if it does--and it's drawing on a source material that deliberately scuttles its connections to continuity.

As folks are noting, it's not like you gain much from connecting to *any* X-Men continuity now anyway, since Marvel is (deliberately, I think) paying zero attention to those characters (except, curiously enough, X-23/Female Wolverine).
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Reply #34 on: October 23, 2016, 09:47:56 AM

Prof x came back at the end credits scene of X3.  What we lack is an explanation of why he looks like Patrick Stuart again. (Or does he and that's just a mental projection by the professor as other theories have posited.  They're as legit as any other comic nonsense. )

For the people who had left the theater shaking their head and going what the fuck at that stage, what hapens at the end of X3 is that you see a nurse working on a patient, and then a she turns away, and the patient moves and speaks in X's voice. It relates to the beginning of the move where X says there is a patient in England with no conciousness, but is fully alive, and would it be morally right for a Psi to take over his mind when they are about to die, effectively possessing another human to save your life. And the answer he chose when it came to the crunch was "fuck yes."

So yeah he is there becasue is a psychic spirit of a dead guy possessing a brain dead guy. Ethics! IOIYAX!

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