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Trailer is out, March 2017 release.

Trailer looks pretty good to me, actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Div0iP65aZo

Very un-Hollywood of Hollywood to go in this direction. I am optimistic.

The use of Johnny Cash's version of "Hurt" for this was brilliant.

Jackman doesn't get enough credit for his acting chops, I really hope this movie gives him enough opportunity and so far I'm optimistic.

The Cash song over the trailer is insanely brilliant. Whomever did that needs a raise, stat.

Grim.  Pretty damn grim.  /lawn

Excellent trailer.

I missed a couple movies, but didn't Jean vaporize Prof. X?

Assuming this takes place in the current continuity, then yes, Jean vaporized the Prof, but then all of that was made to have never happened by the events of Days of Future Past

Ah, there you go. I need to see that one then, so I'm not constantly wondering what the fuck.

Basically, it set the continuity back so that the first three movies never happened.  We are back to the nice clean X-men world, were everybody is still alive and happily living at Professor X's school.

Granted, I haven't seen Apocalypse yet, so that could have re-fucked up the universe.

Please don't suck, if only because I adore the Laura Kinney character in comics.

Actually, Days of Future Past isn't what brought Prof. X back. They've actually never explained HOW he came back, he just showed up at the end of The Wolverine, then was inexplicably there in the future part of Days of Future Past. Apocalypse didn't explain how any of this shit works out either.

In short, the X-Men movie continuity is as fucked as the comics.

They also can't make up their fucking minds if his claws are natural (and adamantium encased) or not.

Yeah, it just occurred to me that in the Future of Days of Future past, the Professor is alive still.  But then when Logan appears back in the fixed timeline, he is surprised to see Scott and Jean alive, as though the terrible movie that will not be named had happened.

So, yeah.

Except she's trapped in a continuity by herself so unless they send her back in time or send the First Class continuity forward she's a character dead end.

Prof x came back at the end credits scene of X3.  What we lack is an explanation of why he looks like Patrick Stuart again. (Or does he and that's just a mental projection by the professor as other theories have posited.  They're as legit as any other comic nonsense. )

I thought there was a scene sometime that showed him having his natural bone claws removed and replaced with adamantium. Or did I imagine that? It's possible.

Oh, could be.

Was in the 2009 origins movie I think. That's where you see the adamantium process happen.

I recently saw the movie where he went to Japan. His metal claws get cut off at one point and he grows bone ones, I guess from under them.

I think it's fine if they just say, "This is the story we want to tell this time: Old Man Logan, REAALLY Old Man Professor X, and X-23." Then if it works, you make an X-23 movie where she's either still in the Old Man Logan world or she's back with the rest of the mutants. Nobody's working too hard to figure out how Deadpool could be working with a Colossus who is not the the Colossus of the other movies, etc.

He had bone claws before he got taken by Stryker IIRC in the flashbacks. I assumed Stryker encased those in adamantium and not replaced the bone ones with metal.

Right now where I am in comics land, Xavier was killed by Phoenix Cyclops... Also young Cyclops is still around, but out with the Starjammers. Simultaneously.

It's all so silly, really.

Been some good bits in both books (All-New X-Men and Uncanny), but man, so much blah. And I can't even read one of the other books because it's like whatsherface babysitting Shogo. The hell happened to Marvel.

And I'll never like bone claws.

The X-Men comics right now are just fucking awful. They actually get WORSE from the point you are describing. It's like they really just have no clue what the place of mutants in the Marvel Universe is anymore.

Also, having read a couple dozen books, the drop in quality at times is just cringey. Badass revamp of Dazzler as a punk chick then two issues later she's just a terrible cartoon in the hands of a crappy artist.

Anyway, kinda ties into this because outside of iconic storylines, I don't care too much about how they play out these movies as long as they are great bits of cinematography, cool heroes and cool villains.

They almost never make the villains cool.

Dazzler is in A-Force now - the all women Avengers type thing. Her characterization really hasn't improved a whole helluva lot but the book is decent.

I'm not sure it will stop your stream of what-the-fucks.  But it's an OK movie.

Well said.

Wolverine Claws: He was born with bone claws.  When he was infused with adamantium his claws were covered in the metal sheath and sharpened.  It is assumed they were fixed off screen after being broken in the Wolverine.

Timeline: The current timeline, after the revisions of DoFP, includes the following, in order: X-Men Origins distant past (everything with Wolverine in the Canadian Wilderness and on is gone), X-Men First Class, X-Men DoFP (70s material), X-Men Apocalypse, DoFP (coda), Deadpool.  Everything else is gone.  The use of Angel so differently in Apocalypse and X-Men: Last Stand (as well as Deadpool existing in both present day and the timeline of X-Men Origins: Wolverine that was eliminated) show they are entirely ignoring the old continuity, now, and are doing things quite different.  Logan will likely be set in the future of the current continuity, but it may be its own thing in the end.

Man, the latter part of this thread is why I stopped reading comics :-)

This trailer was fantastic. I don't really care how it ties to anything. Wank doesn't fill theaters. Enjoyable movies do. And they only happen if they can fill theaters.

But then, I'm the guy who liked Man of Steel and most of Affleck's new Batman (as well as Bale's).

So, probably shouldn't be in this conversation anyway.  :oh_i_see:

Is that a challenge?  :drill:

 ;D

I think figuring out how movies connect is only good if the movies depend upon connection. This film doesn't look as if it does--and it's drawing on a source material that deliberately scuttles its connections to continuity.

As folks are noting, it's not like you gain much from connecting to *any* X-Men continuity now anyway, since Marvel is (deliberately, I think) paying zero attention to those characters (except, curiously enough, X-23/Female Wolverine).

For the people who had left the theater shaking their head and going what the fuck at that stage, what hapens at the end of X3 is that you see a nurse working on a patient, and then a she turns away, and the patient moves and speaks in X's voice. It relates to the beginning of the move where X says there is a patient in England with no conciousness, but is fully alive, and would it be morally right for a Psi to take over his mind when they are about to die, effectively possessing another human to save your life. And the answer he chose when it came to the crunch was "fuck yes."

So yeah he is there becasue is a psychic spirit of a dead guy possessing a brain dead guy. Ethics! IOIYAX!

Holy fuck that's reaching. I'm glad I've never read Xmen comics. I can accept all your weird abilities as long as you aren't fucking timelines.

Old Man Logan in the comics is a fun standalone story which you can buy in graphic novel format if you're minded. It's set in an alternative reality cut off from the main Marvel reality and I'm guessing the easiest thing will be to assume the movie is the same.

(There was apparently a new Old Man Logan mini series in 2015 but it was part of the terrible Secret Wars storyline so I haven't read it).

I also like Laura Kinney. 

The Secret Wars Old Man Logan was almost better in a way--less nasty than the original, but still tough.

The new one is...ok. It's too caught up in the hideous mess that the current X-Men comics are.

I didn't know the Old Man Logan was a standalone - I only knew the Secret Wars version, which was decent. The current series is just... well, it's fucked really because the need to put Logan in the goddamn Limbo X-men and to try to explain without explaining how he still exists from the Secret Wars in a universe that was never his. I'd wager about half of the books that bother to acknowledge the Secret Wars do so in a way that isn't completely cackhanded. Incidentally, none of those books are X-Men books, which are all pretty uniformly terrible right now.

The Avengers books post-Secret Wars, however, are all good.

Well it was part of the Wolverine book but it was a standalone story stretched over a few issues which you can buy as a graphic novel (though the trailer for this film gives the impression it's very loosely based on the book, so it may be a bit of a spoiler?)

Sounds like the Secret Wars version might be worth checking out.

New trailer is here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbrHKTboKU).

I'm fucking in.

well then... that, was... impressive.

Has any franchise ever been pulled out of a hole as deep as Wolverine? this might be the best come back ever.

Ghostbusters?  :why_so_serious:

It's a case of the greatest casting ever wasted--two crappy solo movies, 1 terrible team movie, 3 decent team movies. I'm glad they're going to use him well for one last go-round.

The red band trailer has Picard's best line from the movie though, the other one is nowhere near as good. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Bm5i0nHSg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Bm5i0nHSg)

I can't understand what he's saying.

There are two claws?

"Two days on the road, only one meal, I haven't had any sleep, she's eleven, I'm fucking 90."

--Charles Xavier

For X-23? Yes.

Two claws on her hands, and a single claw on each foot.

That was a damned good trailer.

Doubt you could fit another one in those wrists. And seriously, who the hell would do that to an 11 year old kid?

Well it's a natural mutation like Logan, she has bone claws in the trailer.

Hard to tell in the trailer, and the sound effects sure don't make it seem like they are bone.

She was born with the bone claws, but got the metal claw upgrade, but not the metal bone upgrade, as she still needed to grow into her bones.


Comic Origin (that will probably spoil some of the movie):

Probably my favorite movie in the X-men franchise although I've never really loved any movie in the series before. Logan has a bit of an Unforgiven vibe to me (within the movie itself though they draw some parallels to another Western).

Yeah, this was fucking great.

This is really great.  I had no idea I would enjoy watching an 11 year old girl murder 100 people that much.

So I shouldn't bring my 4 year old daughter?

No, take her. It'll be great.

I give it a 7/10, only because it couldn't keep the interest of the 20-something kids to either side of me so we had to shush both groups. It moved slower than I expected but was a good sendoff.

Probably not appropriate for a four year old.

It was great. I loved that it had some time for the characters to breathe in between the action. Gave it real emotional stakes.

I hate that movies have to have shit blowing up and fists flying every second. Downtime isn't a bad thing as long it's thoughtful.

Holy Fuck, this Movie.

No shit.

As I pondered the performances after the movie...  The girl who played X-23 is about to become quite the known celebrity.  No doubt.  It was a HomeAlone level of small child performance, easily... and if she doesn't get an award nod, I would be extremely surprised.  Helluva performance in a role that basically has NEVER been done on the bigscreen for a kid that age; ever.  Or at least I can't think of any.

As for it being the best X-men movie?  Don't think so.  Mainly because this movie is not really a supers flick.  It stands on its own more like Dark Knight did.  Also, it more so ushers in a new genre of movie, while closing the chapter on the "old x-men" timeline.  As a point of film art?  It is the best of all the supers movies ever really; or at least a close 2nd to Dark Knight - mainly because Heath Ledger. 

My one gripe being the cinematography wasn't quite what I wanted; the landscapes of NM (and the american southwest) and more fascinating intimate camera angles being mis-represented really.  They could have done a better job there for sure.... it's almost like the framing just wasn't right or there was clipping but this is a minor gripe given the movie is still by its nature an action flick.

I know this is in jest, but a couple things, one funny, and the other observational.

Apparently movie theaters have been putting up very large signs to warn parent to not bring their children to this, mainly because of the whole hilarious problem with parents being too stupid to realize that Deadpool is not an age appropriate comic book movie for small children.

Quite a lot of the most gruesome violence takes place out of the view of the camera, but you do see the adorable murder machine slice and stab a whole lot of people.  Probably not a good movie for anyone under the age of 17.  Possibly 14.

The very first word of the movie is fuck and the very first scene is the most gruesome fight in the entire movie so anyone who brings their children will know in the first 2 minutes that they should get out.  On the other hand Laura sounds just like Dora the Explorer so your 4 yo might like it!

(http://i.imgur.com/o0joAT9.png)

Um.  We differ clearly on what you think is 'out of the view of the camera'.  The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that's obscured is X-23 severing a head.  The rest is pretty fucking explicit and IN YOUR FACE.  Logan in the Hallway pretty much the definition of in your face.

When we went today, two wee bawbags were getting refused entry because they were clearly underage.  I'm glad of it, because this is frankly a grown up film in every sense of the word, bar the sexual one.  I suspect those going in simply for superhero pew pew wouldn't even enjoy it for that reason and also because at heart it's a Western.  Think more of 3:10 to Yuma with X-Men.

But God, what a great film.  That wee lassie that played Laura was absolutely mesmerising.  Some real talent there, I think.

Glad I went.

There was a mom (maybe grandma) with two pre-teen daughters, probably barely 10yrs old if that, right behind me laughing it up excitedly before the movie started; like they were about to see a Pixar film.  She seemed clueless from the start (for a variety of reasons).  I looked dead at her, smiled, and giggled and went about my business.  Didn't warn them or anything.   I heard not a hair drop from them the entire movie... once the opening Deadpool2 trailer happened, the mic had been dropped.

End credits role, I look back again and the lady looked like she had literally lost a pint of blood.  Ghostly.  Aghast.  Kids were just sitting there like they just learned Santa Claus wasn't real, or they were adopted, or something.  I felt bad at that point.  But also good.   :awesome_for_real:   That family will never be the same.  

I was more fearful of the crazy-eyed, rather attractive lady next to me on her date.  She was laughing maniacally during a great many scene (like she forgot her Zoloft), while her date was all like "who the fuck is this next to me."  The girl on the other side of me (also on a date) was a Wolverine fanatic and was crying voluminously at the end while her man "consoled" her.

Moral:  this is not the Avengers

Man you got all the interesting people.

I still think Ghambit is a gimmick account.

Reminds me of a girl I saw Blar Witch with.  She was laughing really, really hard at all the times nobody should be laughing.  Pretty sure everyone around us found her creepier than the movie.  We stayed friends until we could become acquaintances.


I thought Logan was about as good as Days of Future Past.  There's an even better movie in there, but it would probably require a longer cut.  The violence was crucial to the story, but the scenes between were even more important and should have been expanded.  I could watch an entire movie of Wolverine, Charles and Laura going to the mall, for instance.

The showing I went to had a bunch of 9-10 year olds in it. I *might* have brought a mature 11 or 12-year old. It's not really the violence, it's the serious menace to children in a way that feels more real than Hunger Games etc. plus the fairly painful and adult emotional stuff going on between Logan and Xavier, which is about one thousand times more real than any superhero movie before ever ever. Like, almost human.

The comparison to classic westerns is invited extremely (almost too) explicitly and it largely fits. This is not a superhero movie. It is a superhero movie. It shows a good way forward for them.

I am the biggest comics geek ever and even I'm like, "Fuck another by the numbers spandex-fest: it's got to do something different or I don't want it."

Good.   :grin:

It was not the movie I expected to see by any means. I think the scene I enjoyed the most was dinner scene at the Munsons.

I went to see a matinee of this after seeing all the raving in this thread and I'm glad I did.  How did this movie manage to be so much better than any other movie in the series?  Fuck.

It has just been pointed out to me that the chap who did this also did 3:10 to Yuma.  I did not know this when I posted, but clearly I picked up on the influence.

This was a good ending to the Hugh Jackman run as wolverine and Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier. Some of the fights were a bit of a cgi fest but they worked well. It was a fun movie / sad movie. The little girl rocked her part. 

Also for whatever reason the showing I went to last night brought the weirdos out. We had one of those people laughing out loud at all the wrong times. He was on the other side of the theater and we could hear almost every word he was saying and his cackling was just a tad nutters. His poor date kept looking down shaking her head. There were several children with one being around 6. His father was rather pale when I saw him in the lobby after the show.

What kind of fucking idiot takes a 6 year old to that ?

Same type who buys GTA games for their grade-schoolers, I imagine.  I used to think it was that all those parents who complain about the violence they expose their children to by buying them violent video games weren't sharp enough to understand that ESRB ratings work about the same as the MPAA ratings they grew up with; I've since revised my opinion to be that all those parents aren't sharp enough to be allowed out of their houses unsupervised.

Comparable to Chloe Grace Moretz as Hit Girl in Kick Ass? Keeping in mind that Chloe was 11 when she filmed Kick Ass.

I'm a big fan of Chloe ;  this performance blew any of hers out the water.

Honestly I think this was more violent than Kick Ass. Or at least a far less tongue in cheek movie, although I guess from a physical acting perspective it's pretty similar.

Holy fuck this movie was good although minor grip: (plot spoiler)
Everything else about it really, really worked though. I'm not sure how it fits in the X franchise, is it the Third Wolverine movie or is it the follow up to Days of Future Past and Apocalypse? Because in the Wolverine movies it's notable that the series went from bad, to mediocre to awesome for me. Either way it's impressive they've managed to make the final installment one of, if not probably the, best of the whole series.

The same sort of idiot who sits there the WHOLE movie with said 6-year old and doesn't just wander out to another movie or see how understanding the management is about refunds that night.

I often wonder how often the people with kids go to the self-serve kiosks vs. the ticket windows. I have a giant "R" with red background next to the movie name AND a pop-up that says "This movie is Rated R and we may check IDs"  If they're getting that and still pale afterwards they deserve the therapy bills for the kids.

The same guy that leaves his cell phone ringer on high and cannot figure out how to mute it. (Yep he did that as well)

That said, obviously that stuff wasn't the point of the movie, so whatever.

Nah, I thought Chloe also.  Close, but not quite up to par with X-23 imo (Chloe's char in KickAss was more generic regardless; though an original overall concept).  Keen was probably just a tad younger as well.  I mean, they asked a 10yr old to be X-23... basically for real.  In a rated-R version of Wolverine wherein she is basically the main character.  Her parents were already in film and such; so obviously that helped.

I can't think of any other instance of such a role for a 10yr old, but would like to dig to find out though.  Regardless, she needs an award.  She, like Chloe did, defined a new space in film as the film itself did.

Natalie Portman was 12 in The Professional.

Apples and oranges.

Ah, probably not.  Lots of gruesome deaths and liberal use of fuck, mostly by Logan...and Professor X. :awesome_for_real:

I am relatively certain that it does not fit in any of the existing timeline.  It does not appear to directly follow DoFP / Apocalypse, as if it did, one would expect at least a small appearance from Sinister, based on the after credit scene in Apoc.  My personal opinion is that it is probably at best an "alternate timeline" story. 

Honestly, if its a good movie who cares where it fits in the timeline.

Haven't been to a movie in ages and haven't seen any of the rest of the Xmen crap since X men 3, but I may go see this. The comparison to a western, and Unforgiven in particular, has me intrigued.

Definitely go see it.  It is worth it for the interactions between Jackman and Stewart alone.  The acting was goddamned phenomenal.

It is the current timeline's future... or at least one of them.  I do not think the world without mutants will fit with Deadpool's continuities.

 :uhrr:

Thats an appropriate emoji response, I agree.

A+.

Great to see Wolverine finally really be Wolverine (aka R-rated not Pg13 crap)

Also Disney, Joss Wheedon, etc this is how you fucking do an action movie. Not with a million quick cuts and over the top special effects (I've fallen asleep in several marvel movies when they descend into that shit) but some good stuntwork, some emotion and real impact. The fight at the end had me holding my breath. So good.

Also on the point of taking 6 year olds to a R-RATED MOVIE, isn't it also on the movie theatre staff to say 'um sir, I can't help but notice that the person with you is not near 17 years old in age'?

Yes, it totally is, which is why I was happy when the staff at the place we were at did this multiple times.

Because apparently parenting is hard.

It also depends on the theater. With the exception of the manger, the staff of my local theater is all under the age of 21 and probably wholly under 18. They're not likely to be comfortable confronting people 2x their age.

They only need to be 17 years old if not accompanied by a parent or guardian. Some theaters have their own rules as well but ultimately if the kid isn't being disruptive it's a parenting issue, not a movie theater staff issue. By all means though feel free to approach a complete stranger someday and tell them you think they're failing in their role as a parent and let me know how it goes for you. I'm pretty sure Ironwood is the only one here who could pull it off.

It's also not usually worth the huffing screaming hissyfit you inevitably get from at least one parent every couple of hours when you do that because how dare you try to tell them how to parent their children.  It's bad enough when you have dumbasses trying to argue with you that they don't have to accompany their child into the movie because their say-so is all the authorization their 14 year old wanker needs to go watch by himself, while you patiently try to explain what a fucking 18A rating means in terms of legal consequences for you as a theater employee.

I have actually seen parents erupt into a practically frothing rage at some of our theater staff when questioned about weather they really should be bringing their 6 year old to a particular movie.  And that movie was way beyond what got Logan a 18A rating.

It's not as hard as you think.  The trick is to be right and not give the remotest fuck about anything the other person says.

In this particular case, there's no problem in just talking to them and saying 'Not sure you're aware, but this movie is hugely, hugely, hugely violent and you might be better off going to something else and avoid the nightmare problems and the kid disturbing you at night because Evil Logan is in her wardrobe.  Yes, I'm sure the desk will allow you a refund because not telling you this at the desk was their error.'

If they then go on to say anything beyond 'thanks', just walk away from that fucking dumpster fire. On a personal note,  I'm still in awe of my mother tapping some bloke on the shoulder during Lord of the Rings and saying 'Would you like me to take your daughter out for an ice-cream, since this movie is making her shit scared ?'  4 years old and terrified of the orcs.

Some people don't get kids and that's fine.  It's hard.  They assume they're just little copies of them.  Then they don't remember the first time they snuck downstairs to watch Night of the Living Dead when they shouldn't have and couldn't sleep for fucking weeks.  Because people are fucking stupid.

For me, I can get why some parents would get all huffy and egotistical about advice, but as long as you're not a cock about it and you're sympathetic to their point of view (however fucking WRONG they may be), then it'll probably be ok.

And then Iain will show you the story of the parents treating the Pertussis kid with Titrated and Diluted Water and you just want to grab some parents and FUCKING MURDER THEM.

But hey, that's Classic Iain.   :heart:

My local theater has one teenager selling tickets and he has to ask you if you want snacks when you buy your ticket because they don't have anyone to man the popcorn stand or check tickets.  The most people i saw at the theater was like six for the force awakens premiere.  You think they are going to turn down one single ticket sale just because some kid might get traumatized for life? hah.

Our closest theater just automated away at least 5 jobs, replaced with kiosks. They're down to 1 ticket attendant and 1 concessions stand, from 2 and 3 before. Last time we were there, they were totally overwhelmed because the kiosks were confusing older people--one touch screen that didn't seem like it should be a touch screen, and one big "PICK YOUR SEATS" display that showed a map of the theater with open seats, but the display was not a touch screen.

Unless the ticket display had a 64-point font popup of "WARNING-DISMEMBERMENT AHOY!" it looked like the only info was an icon-sized version of the movie poster, the rating, title, and showtimes, with the times in the biggest font by far. I think the let's-all-go-to-the-movies family crowd was just poking at the screen at random until they got tickets. I hope their kids enjoyed Fences. At least it was probably less traumatic than Logan would have been.

Logan was a good sendoff, and I'm glad he finally got an R-rated movie. Wolverine is not a nice guy who cares about the well-being of his opponents, unlike most heroes. Violence aside, the R rating let them do more than Baysplosions and 5-second scenes.

It was a truly awesome movie.

My eight year old could probably handle it, on the TV. I got her started early with zombie and vampire movies, and now her only problem at them is inappropriate laughter ("Look at the vampire running down the street with his head on fire! Silly vampire, you can't walk outside in the daylight.").

But in the theater, with blood splashes and gaping wounds 6 feet tall? No, even I am not that bad at parenting.

--Dave

The thing with this movie, is it's not just gore.  It's the context the gore is used.  Most kids can handle lopped off heads and so forth; but the other interactions in the movie are extremely complex, moving, and mature.  It will leave most kids under 10yrs. old pretty awestruck and dumbfounded unless they're used to it for some reason.  This is exactly what the kids' behind me looked like at the end... and they sat there while the credits rolled and didn't move (there is no stinger afterwards either).

The most disturbing parts of the movie weren't even the gore, it was the flashbacks to the laboratory.

I would say things like the nice family they stayed with  would also do a lot to fuck kids up.

I would almost say that's the one thing that isn't disturbing for kids compared to the overall tonality of the film.

Agreed.

I finally saw this today.

Holy fuck, this movie is an absolutely appropriate response. This may have been the most dramatic movie that happened to be about a superhero that's been done. Just the right amount of grit and naturalism without being idiotically over the top grimdark (hello, BVS:DOJ). Insanely good acting jobs by Jackman, Stewart and the kid.

My daughter was scared during Moana. She was less scared during Force Awakens. She was terrified during the first episode of Super Girl with the fight scene at the end.

Kids.

This is really good and studios are gonna try and imitate it and fail miserably.

Yeah, apparently Sony wants to reclaim Spider-Man now after loaning him to the MCU because they've gone back to the "we will build an entire franchise around Spider-characters and most of them will be R-rated villain pics" plan. As usual, your average studio executive has no idea why a distinctive, original film actually works, and so they decide it must be the most superficial things they can easily identify about it. "It's R-rated! It's violent! So that's what people want!"

You know, they couldn't pick a worse hero to do that to either.  That would be retarded beyond the highest level.

More or less retarded than the fact that they're talking about following that with a Black Cat/Silver Sable movie? Actually these ideas are so horrible it's a bit comforting. The harder these movies tank the more of an upper-hand Marvel with have when it comes to re-upping their deal later.

Yeah but this makes me uneasy that Marvel will start slacking off without any surefire competition or even the threat of any. Then again, they've done ok so far in the vacuum.

It's not a football game. Marvel is racking in billions of dollars of the MCU, they are not taking their foot of the pedal on this gravy train regardless of what Sony or Fox do.

True but some of those movies have been dog shit that get a pass because Marvel.

None of the marvel movies have been dogshit. Closet you can get to dogshit is some of the Netflix stuff and then it was just mediocre.

Meh, boils down to opinion I guess... sorry to fail to tack on the IMHO qualifier.

So I just watched this on demand in the comfort of my living room, having some how managed to not see it in the theatres.

Holy fuck was that good.

Apparently, the first draft of the story began with the .  You saw it, you saw who did it, you saw their reaction to realizing exactly what they'd done - and that was the start of the movie.  That would have drastically changed the movie.  I'd have loved to have seen that scene for the spectacle of it, but it was so right to exclude it.

Yeah, massively right. The whole point is that we're not entirely sure what Professor X remembers, or how bad it was. You don't do a moody Western with a broken-down hero and start it with a flashback that shows you exactly how he got that way. It gives away everything.

Yeah, it would be majorly shit.  I mean, was the Preacher alive or dead ?  Enquiring minds can fuck right off.

I would have liked to see it, but yeah it would make the movie worse.

I'm going to dredge this back up, because I finally got to see this. This movie was incredible, and was probably the most "realistic" hero movie I've ever seen. Very well done.