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Reply #350 on: May 04, 2018, 03:39:32 AM

Its the best Star Wars film ever made.  Which I guess for many people can still be interpreted as not a great film.

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Reply #351 on: May 04, 2018, 05:16:25 AM

Its the best Star Wars film ever made.

It's not. Stop trolling.

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Reply #352 on: May 04, 2018, 05:21:10 AM

You said it's not a great film, but others are trolling ?

This one really boils down to your personal opinion, so everyone should butt out.  It's a pointless argument.

Mostly solved by the 'How Much Money Did It Make' crowd.


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Reply #353 on: May 04, 2018, 08:09:00 AM

I think I like Empire better, but R1 is a close second.

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Reply #354 on: May 04, 2018, 08:18:10 AM

This one really boils down to your personal opinion, so everyone should butt out.

Well, of course people can have different personal tastes, but I saw this as one of the areas where there is a canon of right and wrong opinions one cannot go outside if one wants to be a serious person.

Examples would be:

OT > Prequells
PC Users > Console Users
Linux Users > Windows Users
Apple users are brainwashed sheep / arrogant assholes
WoW: Warriors players > Paladin players
WoW: Warlock players > Mage players
Dune and LOTR are great.
The sequel was good but the didn't match the first film.
The film adaption was good, but have to read the book. [With the exemption of film "xyx"]
etc etc.

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Reply #355 on: May 04, 2018, 10:08:43 AM

Empire was better than Rogue One, but only by a little. It's a better film than every other Star Wars movie including Star Wars and it's not even close.

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Reply #356 on: May 04, 2018, 10:42:46 AM

Empire was better than Rogue One, but only by a little. It's a better film than every other Star Wars movie including Star Wars and it's not even close.

Sigh...ok. I set up an online poll:




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(note that the Lucas-prequels aren't listed, because...No, not on my watch!)
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Reply #357 on: May 04, 2018, 01:14:46 PM

Empire is the best.

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Reply #358 on: May 04, 2018, 01:19:42 PM

5, 4, R1, 7, 6, 2, 8, 1, 3.

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Reply #359 on: May 04, 2018, 01:40:42 PM

I really enjoyed Rogue One at the theater, but I have to admit part of the reason might have been that I wasn't expecting it to be.

That said, it really does hold up on rewatch, IMHO. The characters achieve a very natural chemistry with each other pretty early on, and I still find myself looking forward to more movies chronicling their continued adventures....

 Ohhhhh, I see.


I do think that aforementioned chemistry is what makes or breaks a Star Wars film. The original trilogy had that, and it carried them through whatever other bad decisions were made plot and story and even acting wise (even Ewoks). The prequels really didn't, to say it mildly.
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Reply #360 on: May 04, 2018, 01:48:12 PM

I really enjoyed Rogue One at the theater, but I have to admit part of the reason might have been that I wasn't expecting it to be.

That said, it really does hold up on rewatch, IMHO. The characters achieve a very natural chemistry with each other pretty early on, and I still find myself looking forward to more movies chronicling their continued adventures....


Just to be clear, R1 is perfectly (re-)watchtable!  But interesting that you say chemistry, which I thought was one of the things exactly lacking. I found the main character girl extremely "meh" and that goes for the entire good guygirl cast.

The only one who seemed to really care and have emotion and thus shined for me Krennic. And what confirms it to me right now is that I can remember several moments/quotes with him that stand out. But none for Jyn.


Edit: And for all the flaws the sequel films have, that they did right: I liked both Rey and Radar Technician Matt. In my sexy-time head-canon they are making out together before going off to rule the galaxy!
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Reply #361 on: May 04, 2018, 02:00:11 PM

Empire was better than Rogue One, but only by a little. It's a better film than every other Star Wars movie including Star Wars and it's not even close.

Sigh...ok. I set up an online poll:




https://doodle.com/poll/zki4995vu97s38si


(note that the Lucas-prequels aren't listed, because...No, not on my watch!)
Just like our elections, this poll needs ranked choice voting. why so serious?

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Reply #362 on: May 04, 2018, 02:06:08 PM

Just like our elections, this poll needs ranked choice voting. why so serious?

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I changed the poll, you can select more than one film now (even if you already voted). Just click on the "Pen" symbol to re-open the selection, then pick one more film.



There is no hard limit, but Id say best to pick just 2 or max 3 films to have a sort of meaningful result.
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Reply #363 on: May 04, 2018, 02:13:08 PM

updated, but I think its just going to homogenize your poll. Unless there's actually anyone out there that doesn't think the three best were 4, 5 and R1.

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Reply #365 on: May 04, 2018, 04:25:28 PM


Sky, I fucking hope you don't mean me with this. Ohhhhh, I see. At worst I drunk-post, but I don't troll.


And - just re-watched R1 - I have to somewhat correct myself. If you take it as a non-main-story-film that is playing in the SW universe it captured the "classic Star Wars Feel" much better than Force Awakens & Last Jedi. Both of which are good, but go somewhere different. Especially the 2nd which is just, all over the place.

My dislike of R1, I think, stems from seeing it first in cinema:

"Beginning, good style, story starts, good visuals, you meet Krennic. Then the rebel, Jyn, Forest Whitaker, etc etc, parts. All boring and non-engaging. Only good things are the scenes with Imperials. *boreddom boredom* Final battle scene on Scarif. Vader pwns, high-point of the film" ---> You leave the film not hating it (like prequels), on sort of a high note due to the ending, but when digesting it the day after...sort of "meh".

Compared to that:

The Force Awakens:
A lot more uneven then R1, which didn't really have glaring mistakes. Some jaring things, the Empire got defeated, but now there is that order, and the Republic are still the Rebels? No sense of distance and time. But on the other hand you have two engaging main characters. An Emo-Villain which is sort of new and cute. Really probably a "worse film" but also a bit more engaging, which allowed to be more lenient with obvious issues. While in Rogue 1 I zoned out to a point were I thought "Oh, those Rebel soldiers uniforms look (and their helmet with open chinstrap) much like US Vietnam era soldiers and then..."What? This machine gun in the shuttle looks totally like an M60 from "Full Metal Jacket" and now its killing an AT-AT leg even if the in ESB fighters couldn't hurt them?"

All totally silly complains, but the stuff that happens when you zone out and don't care anymore.

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Reply #366 on: May 04, 2018, 04:26:29 PM

5, 4, R1, 7, 6, 2, 8, 1, 3.

So Attack of the Clones is better than 8, 1 and 3?

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Reply #367 on: May 04, 2018, 04:31:17 PM

5, 4, R1, 7, 6, 2, 8, 1, 3.

So Attack of the Clones is better than 8, 1 and 3?

I'm completely suspicious of all your opinions going forward.

This is actually really hard, because the order depends sort of on what your own priority is.  

If I rankt it by "these films I enjoyed most" rather than "this films are cinematically  best" Id go: 4, 5, 7, 6, 8, R1, 3, 2, 1
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Reply #368 on: May 04, 2018, 04:42:30 PM

5, R1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 1, 2, 3

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Reply #369 on: May 04, 2018, 05:26:29 PM

I don't care which is the best. I started this by saying Rogue One is really great and stands up for me on a second viewing. No need for a pecking order.
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Reply #370 on: May 04, 2018, 11:18:53 PM

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Reply #371 on: May 05, 2018, 10:49:49 AM

It's hard to just pick an order, easier to go by tiers. Rogue One and Empire are on tier 1, the rest the originals the sequels and Revenge of the Sith on tier 2 and Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on tier crap.

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Reply #372 on: May 05, 2018, 11:19:52 AM

I would need a Tier Megacrap for Attack of the Clones, which just has no virtues of any kind. Even the scenes that should be fun aren't.

I think I'd probably have some important ranking order within Tier 2 as well. Return of the Jedi near the bottom, Last of the Jedi near the top.
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Reply #373 on: May 05, 2018, 12:26:52 PM

I would need a Tier Megacrap for Attack of the Clones, which just has no virtues of any kind.

Probably true, at least the Phantom Menace gave us "duel of the fates" and this poster.

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Reply #374 on: May 13, 2018, 02:43:01 PM

5, 4/R1,

honestly who cares about the other ones they are all pretty regrettable. The only bit I remember is the 2v1 lightsaber fight and the music for it in 1.

So 1 & 6 can sit here, embarrassingly bad on rewatch but there was some cool stuff at the time.

Fuck the rest of them. I've basically regretted seeing them before my eyes even adjusted to leaving the theater & there's 3 that much like 9 I'm was/am so turned off I didn't see it in theaters and I'm not even sure I've sat through it in a single sitting on tv.
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Reply #375 on: May 13, 2018, 05:27:17 PM

I've only watched 2 and 3 by occasionally lipreading on Christmas day while the family was making tons of noise and I was sitting there bored. I think I was better off not actually hearing the dialogue as the acting was fucking dreadful, and if whatsherface and whatsisname were a passionate love story, then stacking chairs on one another counts as porn.

I saw 1 in the theater and after a few days thinking about it I decided not to waste my money on a Star Wars movie ever again, and to dismiss the claims of internet nerds as the screaming "IT ACTUALLY WAS GOOD IT WAS IT WAS IT WASSSS" had already started, which continued till the Revenge of the Shit was released. Which caused my choice to give the finger to Star wars in general to be continuously reinforced becasue fuck fans who are unable to say when something is actually dogshit.

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Reply #376 on: May 13, 2018, 06:20:52 PM

Rogue One is a weird movie for me. I'm going to catch a lot of shit for this but it reminds me of how I feel about the Phantom Menace. Both movies have some really great moments interrupted by rookie screenwriting mistakes and other issues.  Rogue One is undeniably better than any of the prequels, don't get me wrong, but it has some glaring flaws. Probably its worst flaw is that Jyn is a very, very passive protagonist.

Gets rescued.
Gets told to go meet Saw
Meets Saw
Sort of kind of pushes to save her dad.
Gets dragged back to the rebel base.

Part of why the last half hour or so of Rogue One is good is because that is when Jyn finally gets active in her own movie. If she wasn't in the first hour and a half, you probably wouldn't even notice.

This however is somewhat marred by a pretty bad character arc that happens in roughly 5 minutes. You go from "Those were Rebellion missiles that killed my dad!!!!" to "Rebellions are built on hope now I'm going to go risk my life to get those data plans for you even though you won't lift a finger to help me."

I'm sorry. Rogue One is an hour and a half of meh with a last half hour of pure awesome.

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Reply #377 on: May 13, 2018, 06:33:53 PM

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Reply #378 on: May 13, 2018, 10:02:25 PM

I'm sorry. Rogue One is an hour and a half of meh with a last half hour of pure awesome.

Kind of describes the first Home Alone movie.

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Reply #379 on: May 14, 2018, 04:20:33 AM

The one valid criticism if R1 is that Jyn doesn't earn the suicide squad who follow her. They just needed to give her a little more agency either on the yellow planet or on the blue one. Have her show things can be achieved even if the wider rebellion then fucks it up.

I don't have a problem with her not flouncing off when the rebels kill her dad, because for her the point of the big damn showdown is to follow through on her Dad's sacrifice. She isn't risking her life for the rebellion hierarchy, she is demanding they help her and calling them out when they don't.
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Reply #380 on: May 14, 2018, 09:04:50 AM

4, 5, R1, 7, 6, 3, 8

4 Gets the bonus points for the origin factor.

From what I hear, I expect Solo to end up between 6 and 3.

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Reply #381 on: May 14, 2018, 09:22:53 AM

Responding to my earlier list: for me Attack of the Clones was at least fun. It was bad, but it was fun bad. I absolutely thought it was the best of the prequels, on an entertainment level. Was it better than The Last Jedi? Eh... it might have been more entertaining. I'm still up in the air on that.

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Reply #382 on: May 14, 2018, 10:37:49 AM

Probably its worst flaw is that Jyn is a very, very passive protagonist.
While I overall disagree with your take on it, this in particular is the one thing I've been saying. I loved the movie as it was cut ("rebellions are built on hope"), but I also have a feeling there was a much more interesting cut left on the floor ("this is a rebellion, I rebel"). I believe a lot of the Saw stuff and the play on freedom fighter vs terrorist would have made a great movie.

Anyway, I think the edits and reshoots weakened her because they tried to shift her to being a nicer/more publicly consumable character, rather than the antihero she should have been.

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