Star Wars : Into Spoilers - The Spoiler awakens.

[Draegan]

I'll have to listen when I see it again, but what I've read is that Ewan McGregor's voice says something about "first steps". Which could mean--first steps into the Force. Or it could mean a grandfather speaking to a toddler granddaughter...

Apparently Yoda says something as well.

You can watch the link above, it's in there. When she transitions to the forest scene you hear "These are her first steps". It would be interesting if we find out who is talking to who.

[RhyssaFireheart]

The part when she's a little girl - the voice that says "quiet girl" almost sounds like Vader's, but we know it can't be.  It's definitely got that "speaking through a mask" sound though.

[Khaldun]

I thought it was that nasty guy in the scavenger's market. Looks like his meaty hand grabbing her.

[DraconianOne]

I thought it was that nasty guy in the scavenger's market. Looks like his meaty hand grabbing her.

It was. That was Simon Pegg's character.

The other voices in the vision, incidentally, belonged to Frank Oz (as Yoda), and both Ewan McGregor and Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-reveals-obi-wan-and-yoda-are-star-wars-force-awakens

[Draegan]

Apprently Ewn McGregor said the line "Rey these are your first steps". That's from a JJ interview.

edit: oops someone beat me to it by a few seconds.

[Merusk]

Ohh.. I'd heard it was McGregor saying "Rey.." and then Alec Guiness' line from ANH "..your first steps.." dubbed in.  (from his time with Luke on the Falcon)

[HaemishM]

The most bizarre Rey theory I've seen so far is that she is Anakin reincarnated in a female body to "get it right this time." Still, being Obi-Wan's grand daughter is pretty high up on that list. The most reasonable I've seen is that she was either Luke's or Han's/Leah's and after Kylo Ren turned on him he hid her and then mind wiped everyone else. Kylo Ren definitely shows an interest when they mention a girl is helping Finn.

http://sendvid.com/i0q9ybuc

This is Rey's vision sequence when she touches Luke's Lightsaber. You can hear a lot of Darth Vadar breathing. Also when you see the little girl being pulled away at the end you can hear old Obi Wan (Alec) saying "rey.."

I totally missed that when I watched in in the theaters.

On that video, you hear someone in a kind of Darth Vader/Kylo Ren with helmet voice saying "Quiet, Girl!" when she's on the desert planet. And that's clearly Obi-Won's voice saying "These are the first steps" and "Rey" at the end.

[Merusk]

The Quiet Girl line is the Junk Trader, Unkar Plutt. It's the same voice as when he says "1/4 portion" or whatever, they just have overmodulated it so it sounds mechanical, the same as when he's onscreen.

Yoda says: "Its energy..."
Luke screams "noooo" as someone else mumbles something like "Don't ... fear"
Rey screams "No, come back"
Unkar says, "Quiet Girl"
Then the ripped Guiness "Rey" followed by "these are your first steps" by McGregor

Which reminds me: I wonder how much of that floor footage is of the Sherriff guy. They made a figure and a bit of a big deal out of him in some of the prerelease articles, and he gets barely 1/4 second on-screen as Kylo offs him with a lightsaber in the vision. It seems like they might reuse some of that stuff in EP8 if they recount the story of Ren's inital fall.

[01101010]

As an aside, why do these kids always seem to get dropped off on some desolate planet with questionable guardians? Anakin, Luke, now Rey. Leia got a posh guardian, but other than her... the Skywalker line has been screwed.

[MediumHigh]

Well this movie had my gf clapping like a seal during the obvious toy commercial parts and falling asleep anywhere else.


The people cried out for a star wars movie that didn't suck and we got one that wasn't great instead.

I also like how Rey is so strong and independent that she don't need no parents, no man, no rescuer and even no jedi master. Cause...

I like how no one told Ren that Darth Vader chose the light side of the force in the end. Like nobody.

Did they forget about force ghost?

Oh fuck why did Finn survive the first 5 minutes of this movie. I thought the whole point of storm troopers were that their blind obedience to orders. Yet here this guy clearly freaking out not doing jack shit but hyperventilate and clearly not following orders. To the point that Ren notices and doesn't kill him on the spot. I mean the fuck? Funny thing is they make a big deal about him being a traitor throughout the movie, but for all intent and purpose you morons let a guy clearly having a moral crisis just roam around free.

I like how Finn is basically Jar Jar Binks, and no one is like offended. Like actually having a black guy be the clumsy loud moron instead of a CGI character representing all those racist undertones is ok. And while Finn's character can be argued to follow the tradition of regular bad ass normals doing the right thing despite coming from less than ideal backgrounds like Han Solo, he really just channeling Jar Jar.

Speaking of Finn, I find it funny that JJ Abrams decided that he rather have us assume we're going to see a black storm trooper jedi. As if the threat of this movie being labeled feminist propaganda was so great he had to take special pains to make it seem like the girl with all the similarities with anakin and luke is definitely not going to be the jedi the force "awakens" for.

Is it me or is the "best pilot the resistance" is the squared jaw blue eyed sub for Rey. Because having her fly the millennium falcon to destroy the death star and defeat a sith apprentice in a single 20 minute action set piece would have been too unbelievable.

Did I mention unbelievable? Like pepper pots becoming a flaming ninja of vengeance after her fake out death, this chic is officially better than Anakin, Luke, and hell Obi Wan. In fact she out phantom menaced obi wan flipping over sith lord maul and slicing him in half...except without the awesome. You see while obi wan may have had actual training and years of guidance and tutelage under his belt and maybe the motivation to avenge his master, this girl, this girl needs none of that. Within 3 minutes of being declared a force user she;
 
*masters the jedi mind trick
* she beats Ren in a force contest. Ok, lets rewind, she beats the guy who can rag doll a grown man, who can remove the friction of an incoming blaster bot as its fired, has actual jedi training to back his abilities. She beats him in the force. She beats him in the force.  
*'She beats Ren in a light saber contest. She out duels Ren. With a light saber. The guy trained by Luke. Trained by Luke Skywalker. She beats him. With the force.  

The dark side is fucked.

Oh btw did anyone laugh there ass off when they revealed Ren/Ben Solo's face. Like  the boy looks like a sith lord for the CW.

Funny how they declare the EU to be non cannon...only to rip the movie plot right out of the EU. Way to stay classy Disney.

[sickrubik]

Did they forget about force ghost?

They're in there. They speak to Rey when she has her Force Nightmare.

Oh fuck why did Finn survive the first 5 minutes of this movie. I thought the whole point of storm troopers were that their blind obedience to orders. Yet here this guy clearly freaking out not doing jack shit but hyperventilate and clearly not following orders. To the point that Ren notices and doesn't kill him on the spot. I mean the fuck? Funny thing is they make a big deal about him being a traitor throughout the movie, but for all intent and purpose you morons let a guy clearly having a moral crisis just roam around free.

These aren't your fathers storm troopers, as was pointed out throughout the movie.

[MediumHigh]

Did they forget about force ghost?

They're in there. They speak to Rey when she has her Force Nightmare.

What happened to Vader force ghost. Something like
"Grandson...your too stupid for the dark side!"
Or Obi Wan
"Ren, this is not your destiny!"
Or Yoda
"This is not the right path, it is."

[sickrubik]

Do we have any examples of the ghosts talking to Sith?

I'm honestly asking. I've read like two books from the EU ever.

[Lakov_Sanite]

A whole lot of wrong.

So much baggage.

[HaemishM]

MediumHigh, you have leveled to max. Your name is now ExtremelyHigh.

[Surlyboi]

Pretty fucking much.

[MediumHigh]

So you guys were cheering when Rey downloaded her jedi skills like neo from the matrix.

[Lakov_Sanite]

You live in a world where the force is a real thing.  You've heard stories about luke skywalker, han solo and the rebellion. You idolize to the point you've made little rebellion dolls.  You have likely heard of the force, of jedi and the things they can do.  Now, someone is in your mind, using this force to probe you for info but you feel something inside yourself pushing back.  You realize you are doing this, you have this in you and you push back.  Turns out you're still trapped in a detention cell, knowing you have this magic power in you and you DON'T try and use one of those mind tricks you've heard about in legends to get out?

Now the final fight.  They established Rey already knew how to fight without a lightsaber. They established how chewie's bowcaster sent stormtroopers flying through the sheer force of laser blasts.  The antagonist had suffer what to many would be a mortal wound and also gone through the mental anguish of killing his own father, not to mention a brief fight with a novice in which he took another wound.  Even after all that Rey still had a hard time until she focused on using the force to fight which is you know, in every god damn star wars movie ever. 

...Just because there wasn't a blue ghost whispering in her ear....for fuck's sake.

[sickrubik]

...Just because there wasn't a blue ghost whispering in her ear....for fuck's sake.

But, there was.

[jgsugden]

I'm not going to assume Ren is a powerful Sith Lord.  He is Leia's son and she was not strong with the force.  He did a new trick by freezing the blaster shot, but that doesn't mean he is powerful - different Jedi excel at different tasks.

I'm also not assuming that Rey had no training.  I'm betting we get the reveal that she is Luke's daughter, she was being trained by him at a young age, he left her with someone (Lando?, Ezra?, Kanan? - Rebels characters are unlikely, but possible) when he went into seclusion to protect her from Ren and the First Order (Driver is 9 years older than Ridley - if he were a teen when he betrayed Luke, the timing is about right for their biological ages), the person he left her with had to abandon her when he was discovered, and that the reason why there was no dialogue in the last scene is that she recognizes him.  Luke is almost crying for a reason there and it isn't because he missed his widdle wightswabber.

As for who Rey's mother could be: a version of Mara Jade, Sabine Wren, or someone entirely new.  Based upon the timing, if Rey is Luke's daughter and Daisy's biological age is an indicator of when the character was born, she was born a few years after Jedi ends.  That allows a few years for Luke to set up everything and for it all to fall apart.  

[Threash]

Luke is almost crying for a reason there and it isn't because he missed his widdle wightswabber.

Maybe he's almost crying because billions of people just got wiped out? or because his failure lead to his friends death?

[MediumHigh]

You live in a world where the force is a real thing.  You've heard stories about luke skywalker, han solo and the rebellion. You idolize to the point you've made little rebellion dolls.  You have likely heard of the force, of jedi and the things they can do.  Now, someone is in your mind, using this force to probe you for info but you feel something inside yourself pushing back.  You realize you are doing this, you have this in you and you push back.  Turns out you're still trapped in a detention cell, knowing you have this magic power in you and you DON'T try and use one of those mind tricks you've heard about in legends to get out?

Now the final fight.  They established Rey already knew how to fight without a lightsaber. They established how chewie's bowcaster sent stormtroopers flying through the sheer force of laser blasts.  The antagonist had suffer what to many would be a mortal wound and also gone through the mental anguish of killing his own father, not to mention a brief fight with a novice in which he took another wound.  Even after all that Rey still had a hard time until she focused on using the force to fight which is you know, in every god damn star wars movie ever. 

...Just because there wasn't a blue ghost whispering in her ear....for fuck's sake.

So basically she better than Luke. Cause even Luke knowing of the existence of jedi, of there skills and powers and fascinated with the old republic and the jedi order couldn't so much as retrieve his own light saber without proper training. Couldn't even deflect lasers from a practice drone without some form of instruction. Nope she good, she jedi now. Dear fuck christ I know the villain is pathetic and wasn't even competent enough to kill jar jar binks 2.0 but please don't pretend that Rey not only winning but almost killing the kid wasn't an ass pull. I know your standards are pretty damn low but damn.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Dear fuck christ I know the villain is pathetic and wasn't even competent enough to kill jar jar binks 2.0 but please don't pretend that Rey not only winning but almost killing the kid wasn't an ass pull.

Your own comments aren't even consistent with themselves. 

[MediumHigh]

Dear fuck christ I know the villain is pathetic and wasn't even competent enough to kill jar jar binks 2.0 but please don't pretend that Rey not only winning but almost killing the kid wasn't an ass pull.

Your own comments aren't even consistent with themselves. 

A pathetic villain in a star wars movie is not at all a positive.

[Lakov_Sanite]

In the same sentence you called the villain pathetic but found it incredulous that he was defeated? In fact all of your posts have made the same level of sense as that. 

[Lucas]

LOL at this last page, bring it on folks 

Movie also made me realize I still have to start watching Clone Wars, Rebels and read the new "canon" book series (only "A New Dawn" came out so far, right?).


And...yes, I resubbed to The Old Republic. Fuckin' Star Wars.

Shame

[Phildo]

[Merusk]

Dude said Luke was upstaged by Leia at one point in a ramble. I wouldn't argue too much with him.  

[Surlyboi]

So basically she better than Luke. Cause even Luke knowing of the existence of jedi, of there skills and powers and fascinated with the old republic and the jedi order

Except Luke was none of those things. Luke was a bored farm boy with a bit of a knack for flying and the idea that his father was a navigator on a spice freighter during the Clone Wars. But hey, you keep fucking that chicken.

[Riggswolfe]

I want to know where I can get the same drugs MediumHigh is on. I'm on pain meds after a hernia surgery and haven't had the same kind of incoherent rants as he has. Clearly my doc is holding out on me!

[jakonovski]

This is pretty great, been a while since I've witnessed a Star Wars nerd fight.

To join in for a bit, I do feel that Rey got her powers kind of undeservedly, she just became super badass without much explanation at all. That in turn made the fight seem anticlimactic as it was clear everything was at the mercy of Abrams Ex Machina. It would have been better to focus a bit on her inevitable destiny (of being Luke's and Leia's shameful yet super powerful offspring ), instead of bait and switching with Finn.

[Phildo]

If I'd seen this as a child, it would be perfect.  There were a lot of little things that my brain picked at during the film, though, like how distance didn't seem to matter at all.  It felt like our heroes could be anywhere in the Universe within a few hours.

[Rishathra]

My one niggling complaint is that even though I enjoyed Finn's character, and his chemistry with the other actors, at no point did he come across as someone raised from a young age to be a Stormtrooper.

[Yegolev]

As an aside, why do these kids always seem to get dropped off on some desolate planet with questionable guardians? Anakin, Luke, now Rey. Leia got a posh guardian, but other than her... the Skywalker line has been screwed.

Go with what works.

I am now a Star Wars fan.  Saw this twice.  I like how it was put together.

[jgsugden]

The Secret Formula for ultrapowerful Jedi is lots and lots of sand in their early diet.