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Reply #280 on: October 23, 2017, 11:53:17 PM

Anecdotally, most people I know IRL who know what Trek is but aren't hard core Trek nerds really like this series.  That pretty much describes myself as well.  This doesn't seem any more or less retarded than other Trek series I have seen.  Visually, it is actually quite impressive.

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Reply #281 on: October 24, 2017, 01:39:07 AM

I think I'm most amused by the people who are *so mad* that the ships, etc, are fancier than the 60s era sets from TOS and *that's* what ruins it for them.
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Reply #282 on: October 25, 2017, 01:54:17 AM

Anecdotally, most people I know IRL who know what Trek is but aren't hard core Trek nerds really like this series.  That pretty much describes myself as well.  This doesn't seem any more or less retarded than other Trek series I have seen.  Visually, it is actually quite impressive.

Same. Still happy.

I'm quite happy in this universe.

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Reply #283 on: October 25, 2017, 05:19:07 AM

I think I'm most amused by the people who are *so mad* that the ships, etc, are fancier than the 60s era sets from TOS and *that's* what ruins it for them.

I haven't seen any of it but I'm mad that they pussied out and made another prequel instead of advancing the timeline.

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Reply #284 on: October 25, 2017, 08:22:43 AM

At this point they're in the same uncomfortable space as Lucasfilm was with that. Years and years of garbage material and infill that conflicts with each other and fans are rabid about.

Not to mention the questions of "where the fuck do we go from here" with all the legacy crap from the actual TV series. Voyager dodged a shit ton by not being in the Alpha Quadrant, but any "future" Trek has to deal with Voyager's shit, Gamma Quadrant shit and the rest. Because fans will demand it.

Better to do a prequel and punt, creatively, than to be guaranteed to piss off your fan base by ignoring it all. Or worse; decide to dump it all as garbage.  Disney took (and takes) a lot of flack from that, but being that they're movies they can dodge the most rabid fans and go to the general public for the 3-4 weeks it takes to make the money back.  TV series don't have that luxury and have to keep those rabid fans who'll erode long-term ratings by shitposting.

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Reply #285 on: October 25, 2017, 06:27:51 PM

Star Trek's basic ideas are sound; there is a good argument for just starting over in order to move past the naive New Fronterism. I just rewatched the TOS one with the two guys who are half-face black and white and folks who have long eye-rolled at it are right--it is essence of smug 60s liberalism. Imagine G'Kar and Londo on Babylon 5 reduced to just being complete moral mirrors of each other in a simplistic way and having Sheridan mock them as unevolved dummies who just need to luv each other. The reason that whole thing works is that it takes the bleak history of the relationship between the Centauri and the Narn. The dumb episode with the Draal on B5 got close to that but at least it was for laughs, compared to the deathly serious TOS presentation of the same. Voyager could have been a version of that (namely: once the security blanket of the Federation is removed, do these people become even slightly more interesting and resonant with our own times?) but they really fucked that one up.

So if you don't reboot to make the ST universe a more dramatically interesting and complex one (while keeping the optimism), you have to figure out some post-Voyager rupture that soft-reboots the established universe. Say, the replicators and the translators and the transporters and the post-scarcity shit stops working and the Federation has to start making harder choices again. Or you go the other direction and push the entire ST universe into a genuinely post-scarcity frame and start doing really really visionary storytelling (e.g., Banks' the Culture novels) about that. That is WAY harder. So I am sympathetic to various reboots, soft or otherwise.
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Reply #286 on: October 26, 2017, 12:43:38 AM

Or they could keep Star Trek's (utopian) society and keep exploring while emphasizing the non-interference rule more strongly (maybe after a terrible mishap from too much meddling). The moral preaching could be done not from being superior but from telling about earth's past failures (there's stuff like eugenic wars and world wars in earth's past in trek timeline).

In some ways Orville is scratching my trek itch so there's that (with interesting and likable characters trying to do the right thing) and Discovery is getting better especially if you try to forget that it's trek instead of a separate scifi ip.
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Reply #287 on: October 26, 2017, 08:34:47 PM

God, I would love some "Culture" movies or TV.  awesome, for real I think. ACK!

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Reply #288 on: October 26, 2017, 08:56:55 PM

God, I would love some "Culture" movies or TV.  awesome, for real I think. ACK!
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Reply #289 on: October 28, 2017, 05:02:14 PM

So if you don't reboot to make the ST universe a more dramatically interesting and complex one (while keeping the optimism), you have to figure out some post-Voyager rupture that soft-reboots the established universe. Say, the replicators and the translators and the transporters and the post-scarcity shit stops working

TNG worked just fine. The enterprise moves around solving problems that don't threaten to sunder the galaxy in two, but were a big deal for the people involved, despite replicators existing.

I have no issue with show runners choosing to do trek in wartime or on over-epic quests, but I hate the argument that they 'have' to.

TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and even Discovery each have a perfectly fine premise, a reasonable budget, and casts that vary from more-than--adequate to excellent. They didn't stand or fall for any more complex reason than some had better writers and directors than others.

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Reply #290 on: October 28, 2017, 07:51:28 PM

God, I would love some "Culture" movies or TV.  awesome, for real I think. ACK!
I would commit a minor felony to get a Player of Games or Consider Phlebas miniseries made. Nothing too violent, maybe Assault With Intent.

I can't find it, but somewhere there's a Banks interview where he says he'd agree to any treatment for Consider Phlebas just so long as they did justice to the escape from the Vavatch Orbital -- one scene he really really wanted to see on the big screen.

I'd love to see the final confrontation in Excession where the Sleeper Service shows what it's been up to in the back half of the book...
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Reply #291 on: October 30, 2017, 06:59:44 PM

Episode 7


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Reply #292 on: October 30, 2017, 10:12:39 PM

I really liked episode seven.  It was *fun* and I appreciate that.  I like that the writers clearly realized that the viewers were familiar with the concept the episode was built around, didn't waste much time revealing what was going on, and then proceeded to play with it a lot.  And Stamets was a riot.
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Reply #293 on: November 01, 2017, 05:15:27 AM

I really liked episode seven.  It was *fun* and I appreciate that.  I like that the writers clearly realized that the viewers were familiar with the concept the episode was built around, didn't waste much time revealing what was going on, and then proceeded to play with it a lot.  And Stamets was a riot.

Agree with you. Good episode, want more. 

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Reply #294 on: November 01, 2017, 06:19:14 AM

EP7 felt more like Orville than previous episode of STD and I liked it. Maybe the show can now concentrate on being trek instead of forcing more of the main plot which I can't seem to care about.
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Reply #295 on: November 01, 2017, 06:50:09 AM

The ending was  swamp poop ... the guy murders and pillages his way through the whole episode and then his punishment is he has to marry that girl ? I get that he did not kill anybody in the final timeline, but he still is a sociopathic asshole that I would not let run around free.

Also, how convenient that his father in laws ship was just around the corner.  awesome, for real

Still a fun episode, it is getting better.

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Reply #296 on: November 01, 2017, 07:05:13 AM

The ending was  swamp poop ... the guy murders and pillages his way through the whole episode and then his punishment is he has to marry that girl ? I get that he did not kill anybody in the final timeline, but he still is a sociopathic asshole that I would not let run around free.

Also, how convenient that his father in laws ship was just around the corner.  awesome, for real

Still a fun episode, it is getting better.

I think part of it was the fact that Mudd didn't kill anyone in the last iteration of the time loop.

(but then again had this been the Lorca of previous episodes who left Mudd to be tortured in the first place then a summary execution would have been in line with the character)
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Reply #297 on: November 01, 2017, 10:18:56 AM

I haven't even seen the episode yet, but from the description it sounds like they are simply calling back to the original Mudd episode (TOS) where Kirk's punishment for him was to strand him on planet with robot versions of his ex wife.

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Reply #298 on: November 03, 2017, 10:34:35 AM

Well I really enjoyed it.  It was more of a self-contained episode, which I'd like to see sprinkled in among the more serialized ones.  It was pretty fun.

I know Mudd comes off as really murdery but he knows they don't really count. And yeah the end was pretty convenient, but I'm ok with it.  The somewhat TOS-style civilian outfits at the end were pretty cool.

<spoiler>Between this episode and "I, Mudd" that is a rough looking 10 years for Stella</spoiler>



re: ep 6. Whether it was by accident or design they ended up with some pretty good in-show marketing.  I know a lot of people that want 'DISCO' shirts now.
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Reply #299 on: November 13, 2017, 05:13:26 AM

Re the ending of the latest episode: never was a telegraphed thing so telegraphed. "One last time" and "no more after this" and "we'll do all these things after this final time" etc etc.

Which followed "these things we are wearing will make us undetectable" and "confirming our things that we are wearing are making us undetectable". Write better!

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Reply #300 on: November 13, 2017, 06:08:07 AM

Once again Lorca goes against orders and makes a nice speech about how "the crew were scientists but now they are warriors!" keeping up with the Trek ethos. again they teleported the people on board the Ship of the Dead proving that Klingons should be easy fodder for Federation (nothing to stop beaming a few bombs in instead)

bonus psycho points for saying:"do whatever you have to do to keep him alive until he finishes the jumps"  why so serious?
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Reply #301 on: November 14, 2017, 03:06:19 AM

To be fair beaming across a bomb wouldn't have provided a general solution for cloaking.  I didn't feel the need for a line of bad exposition in which star fleet engineers spout technobabble at each other that they already know to explain why the materials in a bomb won't make it across in the window while shields are going up.

I just assumed Klingons used tachyons somehow.

It is always tachyons.

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Reply #302 on: November 15, 2017, 10:45:48 AM

When doing a clandestine mission to infiltrate an enemy ship to plant sensor beacons, you might want to use something a little less conspicuous than a large cylinder that announces itself with bright blue lights.  You might not want to stamp a return address on it too.  why so serious?

That was pretty busy episode.  It had some ups and downs, but overall I'm liking the show quite a bit now.  

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Reply #303 on: November 16, 2017, 02:00:07 AM

The sensors did make me laugh.

I could believe he did the thing in your spoiler to go investigate the anomoly more readily than for the reason you wrote.

But I think it is even more likely this is a plot mechanic to reintroduce albino-klingon-dude now that stripy-klingon-dude is dead.

Remember sneaky-torture-klingon-lady is aligned to albino-klingon and is still on the discovery for some reason.

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Reply #304 on: November 16, 2017, 07:22:25 AM

Finally, nude female Klingons ... that took them forever.  ACK!

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Reply #305 on: November 16, 2017, 07:24:33 AM

How big were their... tentacles?

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Reply #306 on: December 08, 2017, 06:28:59 AM

I just finished the first 9 episodes. I thought it was fantastic.
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