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on: November 02, 2015, 09:30:35 AM

CBS announces a new Star Trek series to be broadcast on their streaming service in Jan 2017: http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

Not many specifics in the announcement but Alex Kurtzman is set to produce.

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Reply #1 on: November 02, 2015, 09:31:23 AM

Yup, they're going to make a new series, on CBS. Showrunner is one of the screenwriters for the last two films, but he's also worked on Fringe and Sleepy Hollow, so I guess that's a bit more hopeful. New characters also, not the reboot Old Cast.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-tv-series-works-828638
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Reply #2 on: November 02, 2015, 09:39:34 AM

Yup, they're going to make a new series, on CBS.

It's going to be on CBS' streaming service so not on the network proper.  It'll likely be the flagship for that product along with NCIS: Qo'noS.  Posted the same news in the movie thread.

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Reply #3 on: November 02, 2015, 10:07:27 AM

CBS announces a new Star Trek series to be broadcast on their streaming service in Jan 2017: http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017

Not many specifics in the announcement but Alex Kurtzman is set to produce.

$6/mo for the CBS streaming channel? No thanks.

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Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 10:12:13 AM

The 'beginning' of the end of network TV - a major network putting a 'highly anticipated' show behind a paywall.  OK, so HBO was probably the beginning way back in the 80s, but this is another big step and this is the networks themselves pulling out of the free space. 

It seems wrong that such a hopeful tv franchise should be the show putting the dagger in network tv.  Hopefully they'll put in on CBS proper after a few week/month delay...

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Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 10:13:48 AM

How this makes sense for a network who's viewers average age is over 55 I don't know.

 why so serious?

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Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 10:15:06 AM

How this makes sense for a network who's viewers average age is over 55 I don't know.

I guess we know what Shatner will be doing.  why so serious?

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Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 10:19:37 AM

CBS still owns the first right of refusal, I suppose. They're scrambling for properties and want to hop on the Mouse's Star Wars bandwagon.  Much as we saw a reboot of ST after 1980 and a poorly-executed attempt to pickup fantasy movies after LOTR.

Plus, the majority of people who give a flying fuck about ST are over 55. Painful but true.

Their biggest problem is that the paywall is half the cost of Netflix per month for one channel's content. Fuck that. Millennials will say the same and that's who they're trying to cozy up to.

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Reply #8 on: November 02, 2015, 10:23:50 AM

I'm betting their paywall will end up including movies, CBS shows, and CW shows.  I'm betting we'll also see a "combo" package come into being where you can get Amazon Prime, Netflix, CBS, ABS, etc... pay services for about 25% off if you get all of them.

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Reply #9 on: November 02, 2015, 10:29:15 AM

Ah combo services. The start of Cable 2.0.   awesome, for real

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Reply #10 on: November 02, 2015, 10:34:27 AM

CBS still owns the first right of refusal, I suppose. They're scrambling for properties and want to hop on the Mouse's Star Wars bandwagon.  Much as we saw a reboot of ST after 1980 and a poorly-executed attempt to pickup fantasy movies after LOTR.

More than that, CBS owns Paramount, which owns Star Trek.  They don't have to scramble for anything as they've owned the property for some time.  A new Star Trek series was never not going to be on something CBS owned.

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Reply #11 on: November 02, 2015, 10:42:15 AM

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Reply #12 on: November 02, 2015, 10:45:17 AM

I'm sure they are working on hows to break up the stream with adverts as we speak.

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Reply #13 on: November 02, 2015, 11:02:09 AM

CBS still owns the first right of refusal, I suppose. They're scrambling for properties and want to hop on the Mouse's Star Wars bandwagon.  Much as we saw a reboot of ST after 1980 and a poorly-executed attempt to pickup fantasy movies after LOTR.

More than that, CBS owns Paramount, which owns Star Trek.  They don't have to scramble for anything as they've owned the property for some time.  A new Star Trek series was never not going to be on something CBS owned.

Ah right, I forgot that. The syndication of everything TNG on instead of trying to put it on CBS proper had me thinking it was only distributed through CBS/ Paramount.

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Reply #14 on: November 02, 2015, 03:19:43 PM

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Reply #15 on: November 02, 2015, 03:50:12 PM

They'd better not just call it "Star Trek".

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Reply #16 on: November 02, 2015, 04:44:18 PM

I'm wondering how many episodes will be made per year - 10 to 13 like other pay services or 22 to 24 like network TV.... Also, wondering if they'll change their tune at all once they hear the backlash and people realize it is pay only. 

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Reply #17 on: November 02, 2015, 04:47:29 PM

I'm wondering how many episodes will be made per year - 10 to 13 like other pay services or 22 to 24 like network TV.... Also, wondering if they'll change their tune at all once they hear the backlash and people realize it is pay only. 

This isn't stopping Starz, HBO, Netflix, and Hulu from making projects.
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Reply #18 on: November 02, 2015, 04:49:39 PM

I'm wondering how many episodes will be made per year - 10 to 13 like other pay services or 22 to 24 like network TV.... Also, wondering if they'll change their tune at all once they hear the backlash and people realize it is pay only. 
The January start time implies the first season is a "half-season".
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Reply #19 on: November 02, 2015, 05:27:17 PM

I guess this is the shape of things to come but there is a limit to the number of subscription TV services I'm willing to join.

Hopefully before long the show will end up on one of those services that let you pay a one-off fee to watch things.
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Reply #20 on: November 02, 2015, 05:51:56 PM

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This isn't stopping Starz, HBO, Netflix, and Hulu from making projects.
But they started out as pay for play entities. CBS did not. If Netflix had been the new home for Star Trek I would not expect much, if any, backlash for having to pay for a new series. However, having CBS bill you after putting only the pilot on broadcast tv will hit people a bit like their spouse charging a prostitutes rates.
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Reply #21 on: November 02, 2015, 07:25:16 PM

I guess this is the shape of things to come but there is a limit to the number of subscription TV services I'm willing to join.

Hopefully before long the show will end up on one of those services that let you pay a one-off fee to watch things.

Wouldn't it likely be cheaper to just pay $6 for one month of access and then cancel?
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Reply #22 on: November 02, 2015, 08:02:14 PM

I dunno.  I'm kinda glad it's behind at least some kind of sub service.  The reality is, the show is going to likely be the most expensive on TV (if it's done correctly), and despite the naysayers in the thread who say it's only for 55+, it'll largely be watched by the <50 crowd.  TNG is still wildly popular (just ask Netflix) and Gen-X salivates at the idea of another Trek (hopefully better than Enterprise).  Having a new StarTrek hold a traditional network model afloat doesn't appeal to me.  Costs are more easily spread in an online model, levels of interaction are better, and on-demand services are automatically included.  They'll need the direct revenue, rather than hoping advertisers play ball... which increasingly they are not.

I foresee it being another BSG if it can garner the same level of commitment by the network.

Lastly, realize that a newer version of Trek will likely require a solid hour of time per epi.  Recall, TNG was at a time when advertisements were tolerable.  NOW?  Half the show would have to be ads in order to pay for it.  Given the genre, that's impossible to do and create a quality product.
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Reply #23 on: November 02, 2015, 09:15:46 PM

I guess this is the shape of things to come but there is a limit to the number of subscription TV services I'm willing to join.

Hopefully before long the show will end up on one of those services that let you pay a one-off fee to watch things.

Wouldn't it likely be cheaper to just pay $6 for one month of access and then cancel?

True. If that's all you're after and they it could be worth the price for a month of binge watching. I'm not signing up for another subscription service, myself. I've got three already, I don't need another dollar vampire to keep track of.

I recall hearing either a freakonomics or marketplace report talking about the same thing happening to other latecomers to subscription services. People had already reached their mental cap on things to keep track of and didn't sign-up even if it was a better service. Wish I could find it.

Anyway, I disagree about Gen-X salivating about the idea of another Trek. Voyager was a dud to me and Enterprise killed the last vestiges of my enthusiasm. Anecdotal evidence and all, but I was also the last of my peer group to hang on. I don't think the two guys who hung on until season 5 of Voyager even watched Enterprise at all, I'll have to ask the next time we have lunch.

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Reply #24 on: November 03, 2015, 10:07:18 AM

Gen X is waiting for a "real" Trek.  People were tired of Star Trek when we got Enterprise and Voyager.  I think people will be looking forward to this series - and angry that it is behind a CBS paywall. 

Personally, I think I'd watch Trek if it were on TV, but I will not pay for another subscription service.  I'll watch the pilot, and if I like it, I'll at most wait for there to be a bunch of episodes available and then I'll subscribe for a binge and then drop off.

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Reply #25 on: November 03, 2015, 07:42:06 PM

Gen X is waiting for a "real" Trek.  People were tired of Star Trek when we got Enterprise and Voyager.  I think people will be looking forward to this series - and angry that it is behind a CBS paywall. 

Personally, I think I'd watch Trek if it were on TV, but I will not pay for another subscription service.  I'll watch the pilot, and if I like it, I'll at most wait for there to be a bunch of episodes available and then I'll subscribe for a binge and then drop off.

It's a $6 paywall. Chances are you're paying around twice that if you want to go see the next Trek movie in the theater. It's more likely to inspire apathy rather than anger. The effort it takes to sign up and download an app or whatever is probably a bigger blocker than the actual money.
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Reply #26 on: November 03, 2015, 08:14:50 PM

Right. Reason will prevail and there will not be a lot of complaints about paying for a cbs show. Sure.

Time will tell.

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Reply #27 on: November 03, 2015, 08:23:53 PM

Without even looking at any of the comments made on the original story, I'd be willing to bet that there will be more nerd rage about this being set in the Abrams Star Trek universe rather than the original timeline than anything paywall related.
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Reply #28 on: November 03, 2015, 09:51:59 PM

Without even looking at any of the comments made on the original story, I'd be willing to bet that there will be more nerd rage about this being set in the Abrams Star Trek universe rather than the original timeline than anything paywall related.

It's not clear which universe it's set in. That said I'm not interested in more Abrams Star Trek. This isn't nerd rage - Star Trek was about classic science fiction themes, writers who wanted to explore a variety of interesting topics rooted in Roddenberry's vision, etc. (Including writers like Harlan Ellison) Nu Trek is just poor man's Star Wars. It's science fiction in that it has spaceships and space guns and such, but it's just space opera.

The Abrams universe has no real interest in the type of stories that are considered Trek classics.

I suppose it could be set in the Abrams universe and still embrace the classic Trek style of science fiction - theoretically which universe it's set in doesn't really matter. But Orci and Kurtzman making a Trek series based in Abrams Trek doesn't fill me with excitement.

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Reply #29 on: November 04, 2015, 05:11:59 AM

Yeah. Partly because they've shown no interest not only in Trek themes but even in some of the basic underpinnings of Trek storytelling. Space being vast and much of it being unknown; captains who need autonomy because they're often too far away from Star Fleet to get direct instruction anyway. There's no sense of distance or exploration in Abrams Trek, and that almost has to be fundamental to a series approach to the property.
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Reply #30 on: November 04, 2015, 06:53:19 AM

Shit, that possibility was one I hadn't even considered. I just realized that I find the nuTrek so far from the originals that mentally I consider them a different IP entirely.

Fuck, that'd kill any interest I've got in the series.

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Reply #31 on: November 04, 2015, 09:24:18 AM

You've got the writers of the Abrams Trek movies making this show, and the last time Old Trek did the numbers at the box office that these movies are doing (adjusted for inflation) was Star Trek IV. From a business perspective, I can't see any reason why they'd set the show in anything other than the Abrams Trek timeline. That the old stuff had been run so completely run into the ground with the last few movies and tv series is what made the reboot necessary in the first place.
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Reply #32 on: November 04, 2015, 09:42:11 AM

nuTrek is almost entirely about the relationships between the principal characters, not much about the life aboard the Enterprise and even less about exploration and contact with other cultures. It's also way more centered on Earth and on Starfleet and also on ship-to-ship combat. nuTrek is more like a Star Fleet Battles miniature game than it is like Trek the RPG; a series has to be more the latter than the former and I actually have some hope that they'll see that simply because they have to see that in the format they're going to be working in. But even if it's sort of nuTrek or they don't make a big deal about the continuity, they'll need to completely forget some of the conceits of the two films (beaming across star systems, travel between distant points that takes an hour or two, etc.) because those totally destroy the story-telling of almost any space opera setting. Distance and time are crucial staging platforms for long-form serial storytelling.
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Reply #33 on: November 04, 2015, 09:48:02 AM

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Reply #34 on: November 04, 2015, 10:25:28 AM

I kind of hope they do a show where it's not even obvious to the viewer which universe it's based in, and it doesn't matter. Have a new crew which actually goes and seeks out new life and new civilisations rather than worrying about continuity. You'd still have the Federation, a ship called Enterprise and some nice nostalgic nods to the past (a passing reference to previous ships called Enterprise or whatever) but make it a show that people who have never heard of Star Trek before can get into. I actually think that would be more attractive to fans too.

And if at some point we learn whether or not a planet called Vulcan exists or was blown up then that's okay, but don't make it a storyline. Make new stories.
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