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This game is fantastic, by the way. Only just passed Chapter 1, and I think I am at 5% completion.

Quote from: Teleku on September 13, 2015, 08:02:04 AM

I assumed the one in his pants.

He has a pants in his pants?

I freaked out because I thought the end of Chapter 1 was the end of the game. Breathed a sigh of relief when the Chapter 2 teaser played after the credits although from what I've read the story sort of peters out in the last 10 or so episodes which is a shame. Really enjoying this game though, it's so much fun to mess with the enemy AI, especially in Side Ops where you're not graded based on your performance.

The way the enemy adapt to you is quite fun. I've done all of chapter 1 at night, with lots of tranq pistol/sniper rifle headshots, and the enemy now have loads of NVGs, flashlights and helmets. Gonna have to up my game!

Tempted to buy this, since everyone I know has raved about it. However, $75 is a bit steep; might just wait for the Christmas sale for it to be a bit more reasonable.

Quote from: Ceryse on September 15, 2015, 12:16:37 PM

Tempted to buy this, since everyone I know has raved about it. However, $75 is a bit steep; might just wait for the Christmas sale for it to be a bit more reasonable.

In the same boat myself. I think Konami tends to be a bit inconsistent with the sales, though, unless I'm remembering incorrectly.

Not sure what goes on with all those websites, but you can get a Steam key on a few very reliable (as in totally reliable) and apparently legal alternative websites for 50$

I got it from cdkeys.com for £28. It was a steam key taken from an Nvidia card promotion I think.

I bought this... and then realized how out of the loop I was.

So I fired up Ground Zeroes first.. and then realized how further out of the loop I was..

And now thinking of playing Peace Walker first.

Keifer Snake in Ground Zeroes seemed to talk too much btw. I heard he became the strong silent type again in MGS5.

Even fans of the series tend to suggest watching a video of Peace Walker's story bits rather than actually playing it.

Well, since I have it, I figured I'd play it. I have the compilation on PS3, but never even broke the shrink wrap. This is a good enough excuse to do it.

Peace Walker is not very good.

It has some fun ideas and I enjoyed it, but all of the good parts are then brought back and done better in MGS5.

As someone who's not very invested in the MGS story I didn't care for the Prologue very much. The whole time I kept thinking hey this is kinda like what happened in Wolfenstein! Also, I have no idea why I had to name myself and do a character creation and then it reverted me back to default. I assume that's series joke or that it's used for multiplayer?

Anyways, once I got into the main game it got much better. Not very far yet but seems like there are some cool mechanics in the game. Looting 80's music is pretty great. Screw those skull guys though.

Picked this up on the weekend. Never played a MGS game before. That prologue left me very very confused.

That said, pretty amazing game. I suck at it, but its amazing. I'm worried that all my C results in missions are going to hurt my ability to progress later. Can I just grind areas to make up for the lost resources as needed?
Had one extraction mission I kept getting 90% through before getting in trouble and getting swarmed. After a couple tries I got mad and switched from tranq to Sniping the outer guards and then turning their mortar around on to the base. After blowing up a dozen guards (its almost cheating that your marking still applies after restarting the mission) I sauntered in the front and mopped up. My rating wasn't very good on that one.

Of note: XBone has a glitch that is very swamp poop

. Periodically, the game will go to load assets from the drive while you are in the middle of something. Makes the game stutter for 3-5 seconds, during which you lose control. So Snake just keeps doing whatever you last input - usually resulting in crawling out from behind cover in to the middle of a searchlight. Doesn't happen too often, but hopefully gets fixed.

I also ended up getting it. Prologue was very 'eh, wtf?'. Flaming whale, while awesome looking.. wtf?

Got better once in the actual game, though I was quickly reminded why I dislike checkpoint based save games. Fuck that shit. Give me an actual save system; I don't care about score. I suck at the game (as I do all shooter based games), but there's some fun to be had.. although I'll probably end up cheating to add some resources/flowers instead of farming shit, because there's no way I'm doing that. Still, stealthing in, dropping guards with a tranq pistol, hauling them off to a safe-ish spot to balloon them to base (or death) is amusing.

Load times are a serious peeve, though.. and, ironically, not in the game itself. Everytime I want to quit it takes about 40 seconds to get back to the main menu. Takes me almost a minute and a half to get from launching the game to being able to play.. in-game it's almost seamless or very brief load times.

My biggest problem with the checkpoint save system is knowing whether or not I'm currently saved. I basically have to call in a chopper every time I want to leave the game, just to make sure it saves whatever base management stuff I did after the last mission.

Pro tip: you can ride fultoned cargo containers back to base for free.

But yeah, the save system is a bit bad. Especially on long missions, sometimes it saves sometimes it doesn't.

It's funny to see just how bifurcated the opinions on MGS V seem to be. On one side you have what seems to be the fans of the franchise who obessively follow the gospel of Kojima and who - for the most part - seem to be deeply disaapointed by the game. Especially the supposed lack of a coherent story and meaningful closure. On the other hand you have the people who didn't like previous MGS titles because of Kojima's writing and presentation style that for the most part seem to like it since it's objectively one of the best open world sandboxes yet.

It's especially funny since - narratively - MGS V is probably the open world game that handles story presentation best. Granted the bar is not very high but given Kojima's tendency to meander and prattle on and on about the minutiae of whatever technical or historical topic he's currently enamored with - usually with the grace and sublety of a nerd that thinks his audience consists of barely literate monkeys - MGS V presents the fragmented lore of the MGS universe and the story of V relatively well. Relatively well for an open world game at least.

The whole debate is interesting from several points of view.

The whole discussion about Quiet and how she is presented both as a character and character model for example. A discussion that largely is about the fact that Quiet is blatantly presented as wank material for a certain part of MGS's audience and that is strangely forgetful about the fact that Kojima has always been a dirty fucking perv.

Each MGS game has at least one giant 'Kojima has a real big problem with women' moment. The whole arc of the screaming beauties in 4 for example is basically one big insight into how Kojima sees women. How the emotionality of women basically drives them nuts and makes them unattractive and how they are usually nagging shrews. He literally turns them into shrieking cybernetic harpies that only turn back into beautiful and submissive women once they have been saved by a man. Which then gives the player the opportunity to make lewd pictures of them before he shoots them in the face and they die.

Each game has at least one scene about or allusion to rape and sexual violence. Meryl in MGS 1 basically hides one of the important game items in her vagina, ('women have more ways to hide things than men') after telling you that Liquid's men did in fact do unspeakable things to her and you find her again by scanning the asses of Liquid's goons because you can somehow recognize her because of her butt. Also she's apparently the only female on Shadow Moses or this wouldn't work. You can make your protagonist hide in a locker and wank to pictures of female Kojima Productions employees or Japanese Idols in at least two games. Also the big overbearing mother figure blatantly named "Boss" basically had to die first for Naked Snake to be able to have sex with 'Eva' in MGS 3 and even then she only fucks him to be able to betray him after. That is not exactly suble sub text.

Let's make no mistake Kojima has a huge and deeply concerning complex when it comes to women. Somehow though, probably the least problematic part of Kojima's character design for Quiet gets turned into this big deal while past transgressions are usually handwaved away as if Kojima is some sort of old but lovable scamp or as if it is somehow accepted fact that the Japanese in general are just huge pervs. He named her 'Quiet' and she's basically treated as an animal for most of the game and once she stops being exactly that He also lights her on fire during the tutorial and then she gets thrown out of a window. The most violent 'death' of any of the goons in the prologue that you or Ishmael are directly responsible for. Yet nobody seemed to have picked up on that while people only seem to complain about the fact that she constantly pushes her ass into view.

The whole discussion about MGS's story and game mechanics is also interesting because it is strangely ignorant about the state of open world games in general. Most of the things people passionately discuss about MGS V's supposed failings are failings of large open world or sand box type games in general. Of which MGS V is probably the best. The fact that most content in open world games is just there as filler, to either artificially prolong the time people play the game or to justify the huge develoment budget or to make the world seem less empty than it actually is. How it is hard to present a story or narrative in a game where you can't really control the actions or the path the player takes. That the games feel strangely empty and repetitive after a certain number of hours played. How most of the actual story is told to you via audio tapes or virtual diaries. How tedious travelling becomes once you've opened up the map and need to revisit previous locations

I get that it's a huge departure for a game series that is usually chock full of narrative exposition and infodumps, which constantly takes control away from the player and highjacks his/her attention to push paragraphs upon paragraphs of text walls into your face and that frequently gets criticized for its huge text heavy cut scenes and codec conversations. The failings of MGS V in that area are failings of the whole genre of open world games though. It's a bit strange to see the vitriol with which many people discuss MGS V's story and narrative presentation when it's both very much restrained for a Kojima game and in the context of open world games presented rather well. Especially since those failings don't seem to bother people quite as much in other open world sandbox tpye games like GTA or the Far Cry series.

The most interesting thing about MGS V and the aspect most fans are in reality angry about even though they might not realize it is the way the story concludes. Which is pretty clever in how Kojima always plays with player expectations and the fact that uses game mechanics and tropes so ingrained in our consciousness to screw with them.

It's no surprise that fans get royally pissed off by that.

I want the game to end when Solid Snake comes for you and you die as the boss of boss battle. But I'm pretty sure it won't. I haven't finished the game yet so don't fucking tell me either.

I played one Metal Gear Solid game--MGS 2 Sons of Liberty. Seemed ok to me, but the content never mattered all that much, I mostly just like stealth games.

I kind of hope this one is the same if I get it--I really just want a good open-world stealther.

I really like MGS5 and it's only because of how it plays. I have tried exactly one of the previous games, excluding the NES game. That game I only played for about 15 minutes - where the guards had huge ! signs and the box was mandatory for the level. Hated it.

MGS5 is completely different and I love it for the gameplay systems. I don't care about how insane the story is. I just recognize it's textbook Japanese insanity, nod, and carry on.

I played MGS4 on the PS3, and that was all. The story was irrelevant, it played well.

I feel the same about MGSV, although I don't think it's the awesome sandbox that everyone else seems to think. It's slightly open-worldy, but that's about it. The Quiet character annoys me with it's gratuitousness, but gaming (and most entertainment) is full of gratuitous female sexualisation. Doesn't mean I'm likely to stop calling developers out on it.

Had my first D result on a mission last night. I think I'm just trying too hard not to kill anyone. I either do things so methodically that the first guys I knocked out are waking up before the base is half cleared, or I rush things and end up with negative points because of all the alerts I set off.

I may have to switch to just being a sniper and getting my hero points from tying balloons to sheep.

I do get a kick out of the way the game adapts though - had my first tranq dart go ping off of the shiny new helmet a guard started wearing last night.

I just balloon everyone and fire them later. I play a pretty slow game, though. I sneak in close, pick them off soldier by soldier.. haul them somewhere I can safely balloon them and repeat. More than a few prisoners have been killed because I couldn't get to them in time (which is the only negative for me.. as I don't care about score, though I've been mainly getting A's and B's with the rare C or S thrown in). I'm starting to see helmets, flash lights and supposedly cameras (I've yet to see them, but the warning icon is there on the map for them). I'm not that far in yet, though.. I've only done 8 of the first 10 main missions and a bunch of side missions.

That's exactly how I've been playing it Ceryse. Until I got Quiet with a tranq rifle, and a silenced tranq sniper rifle for me.... now I play it slightly differently awesome, for real

If I'm going to leave someone without ballooning them I usually kick them to wake them up and then CQC kill them. I'm only on Mission 8 as well though so still time to figure out how to do things better. Just got the sneak suit so I'm hoping that will help a bit.

Quote from: apocrypha on September 23, 2015, 09:06:22 AM

That's exactly how I've been playing it Ceryse. Until I got Quiet with a tranq rifle, and a silenced tranq sniper rifle for me.... now I play it slightly differently awesome, for real

Now you spend 90% of your time IDing the ZZZing bodies to see whether or not you want to extract them.

Nah, I fulton everyone and sack 'em later awesome, for real

Got half way through. Quality seemed to drop off suddenly. Got bored.

So is this really good? I ask because the Games for Gold thing on XBox 360 this month is MGS V and I wondered if it's worth pissing away the $10 for one month of Live Gold to get this.

That's not MGS V, that's MGS V: Ground Zeroes which is a prequel.