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Reply #35 on: July 24, 2015, 01:40:18 PM

Tbh, the reasons in that article are pretty small reasons. Ok, if you are running a Jurassic computer with a serial db9 cable to remotely control your 1950s Bakelite mixer, then ya, sure skip it. You are probably running Windows 3.1 anyway.

Desktop gadgets? Really?

Windows Media Center. Possibly the worst media center ever invented, abandoned by MS itself in 2009.



Yeah... I ran down the list and marked them all off as no.
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Reply #36 on: July 26, 2015, 10:27:43 PM

Well, at least according to this article, video drivers are considered to be one of those things Win 10 takes it upon itself to automatically "update."

Not surprisingly, this is causing problems...
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Reply #37 on: July 26, 2015, 10:37:32 PM

Well, at least according to this article, video drivers are considered to be one of those things Win 10 takes it upon itself to automatically "update."

Not surprisingly, this is causing problems...

How the hell could they think that's a good idea? Picking the right driver version is already a black art, especially now that nVidia is going out of their way to "optimize" drivers for specific new games (e.g., GTA V) in ways that often break other games.
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Reply #38 on: July 27, 2015, 11:44:28 AM

Oh boy. If it updates to the latest "Microsoft Certified" drivers over whatever you've got installed that's fucked. The MS-cert driver for our cards is 18 months behind the latest version of Nvidia's driver. Older drivers are fucked when doing 3d because of some kind of updates MS has made in those 18 months.

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Reply #39 on: July 27, 2015, 01:39:10 PM

Pretty sure they'll sort it out. The hue and cry would be audible from Pluto otherwise.

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Reply #40 on: July 27, 2015, 01:47:57 PM


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Reply #41 on: July 27, 2015, 03:15:17 PM

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Reply #42 on: July 27, 2015, 03:20:31 PM

This keeps getting mentioned around the internet and has to be constantly debunked on why it's not that big of a deal.  This one comment has a good explanation:

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Ok, to clear a little bit of this so itís not a complete freak out. This WiFi Sense has been known about for a while now and has been in various tech preview builds. Plus Windows Phone. Second thing is that WiFi networks are not shared by default. I just checked this on my Surface Pro 3. The WiFi Sense service is indeed enabled by default, but you must specifically pick which of your saved networks get shared.

Non of your saved WiFi networks are shared automatically without your knowledge. When you connect to a new network, there will be a check box you can select to share the network after connecting. It is not checked by default. The Outlook, Skype, and Facebook friends are checked by default, but that only means that they are enabled for sharing. You still have to pick which networks are shared first.

Also WiFi Sense needs you to grant it permission your Facebook first before any sharing takes place.

I hope this clears some of this up a bit. The article made it seem like this is a huge deal to freak out about when itís really not.

In reality it's an extremely useful feature allowing you to not have to constantly pull out pieces of paper for most house holds that don't change their wifi password from their default gibberish and are having someone over who you would like to use your wifi.
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Reply #43 on: July 27, 2015, 05:01:54 PM

My god, yes that's an incredibly useful feature in office environments as well.  We keep a "Guest Wi-Fi" that's in the DMZ and it's always a pain in the ass getting Clients/ Consultants and the like connected. 

SO MANY user complaints that the first 5-10 minutes of an on-site meeting are getting people hooked into the wi-fi. This handles that without us needing to hand out cards and manage the process? Awesome. This does the same thing that Cisco's Spark/ Proximity solution does, but without the additional hardware and software outlay? Even fucking better.

This is a boon to collaborative networking in many fields. It sounds awesome. Does it mean more work for the company Network Admin? Yes, but fuck those guys they don't work enough.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #44 on: July 29, 2015, 02:03:26 PM

Looks like I landed safely on the other side, but the process wasn't without a....ahem, "minor" hiccup  swamp poop

You know, I have a powerful PC, but apparently my screen decided to stay pitch black for more than 3 and a half hours during the update process with only the blue LED of the monitor blinking. So I decided to try my luck and do a hard reset: result is that the screen remains black and I can't even access the BIOS. I press some buttons on the monitor proper (an '07 Samsung 245B), to no avail. So I start diggin' up some info with my other incredible PC, an 2010 ASUS Netbook (yep, not a typo :P), and see others are in my same position, with also some solutions being offered.

I open up the case, try to disconnect the graphic card and also pressing the reset button on the motherboard. Nothing. Oh yeah, I also tried rebooting with the Win 8 CD.

So....umm, "hey, let's try pressing those monitor button aga....." BANG!!! Monitor lits up with the motherboard BIOS screen.

Yeah well, apparently it was the only button I didn't think about pressing, umm...3-4 hours ago. And yes, it was the "reset monitor settings" button I actually THOUGHT I had already pressed.

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Reply #45 on: July 29, 2015, 02:38:53 PM

I am also crazy and upgraded straight away, and so far it has been utterly painless. It carried over all my previous Win7 preferences and junk and like 98% of the install process was automated and hands free. I walked away, made and ate lunch, came back to the new Win10 login screen.

There's some stuff I'm still trying to get used too and figure out, but that's just par for the course with a new OS.


I'll let you know if anything explodes.

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Reply #46 on: July 29, 2015, 04:54:49 PM

The only issue I had was the first boot used the Microsoft display driver (which didn't detect my 2nd monitor or anything).  I tried to install NVIDIA's drivers and they kept failing.  On a hunch I restarted and on restart everything worked (with NVIDIA's driver already installed).
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Reply #47 on: July 29, 2015, 06:51:09 PM

Mine is just using whatever drivers I had going on Win7. I should probably find new 10 drivers or something, but it's all working so fuck it for now  awesome, for real

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Reply #48 on: July 30, 2015, 05:08:35 AM

Beside the "hiccup" I mentioned yesterday, everything else worked fine. No data loss, no problem with drivers. I already modified some settings and removed some of the default "fluff" from the Start Menu and application bar (like that HUGE search bar).

The new browser, "Edge" ,  is not bad: scrolling down seems smoother compared to the other competitors. With 100% zoom, some pages are a bit hard to read, while at 125% (there is no in-between those two) some look slightly too big and off. Also, AFAIK, the zoom setting is global, no way to save it for single pages and later use. Hopefully they'll implement extensions sooner rather than later. It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing.


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Reply #49 on: July 30, 2015, 05:40:21 AM

It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing.

Heh.  Of course.

I find Bing is great for porn searches, though.

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Reply #50 on: July 30, 2015, 07:10:43 AM

The only issue I had was the first boot used the Microsoft display driver (which didn't detect my 2nd monitor or anything).  I tried to install NVIDIA's drivers and they kept failing.  On a hunch I restarted and on restart everything worked (with NVIDIA's driver already installed).

Mine went exactly the same, error until reboot then everything was perfect.

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Reply #51 on: July 30, 2015, 07:50:04 AM

It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing.

Heh.  Of course.

I find Bing is great for porn searches, though.

You can add it - just go  to google.com first, then it will show up on the list of available search engines.

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Reply #52 on: July 30, 2015, 08:28:22 AM

It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing.

Heh.  Of course.

I find Bing is great for porn searches, though.

You can add it - just go  to google.com first, then it will show up on the list of available search engines.

Ah, thanks, now it works :)

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Reply #53 on: July 30, 2015, 01:06:29 PM

Windows key + tab is my new favorite thing ever....

and yes I understand Macs have had it forever.....
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Reply #54 on: July 30, 2015, 01:40:12 PM

Ran through the update on a work Dell XPS laptop. Only hicup that I ran into is you cannot a full reinstall with a key that is stored in the bios. Seems Microsoft doesn't recognize it as a valid key until you upgrade and change the key. So I had to reinstall windows 8.1 off of a restore disc get all the drivers fixed that didn't install properly. Once that was done I was able to run the upgrade to windows 10 without any real issues in  about 35 - 40 min. So far so good I think the reinstated start menu is a tad busy for my liking but its nice that it is back.

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Reply #55 on: July 30, 2015, 02:46:19 PM

Windows key + tab is my new favorite thing ever....

and yes I understand Macs have had it forever.....

How did it change from Win +Tab of 7? (That was apparently missing in 8, based on my Surface) It's not the scrolling wheel of open applications anymore?

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Reply #56 on: July 30, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

I think it is like Expose (or whatever Apple changed the name to on OSX) where it is a number of tiny windows for all open applicator spread out in a checkerboard on the screen now.

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Reply #57 on: July 30, 2015, 07:32:49 PM

I think it is like Expose (or whatever Apple changed the name to on OSX) where it is a number of tiny windows for all open applicator spread out in a checkerboard on the screen now.

Yeah, but the bigger part of it is it's spread out based on what monitor the app was last active on, which makes it a crap ton easier to find the application you are looking for, assuming you tend to put applications on the same monitor.
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Reply #58 on: July 30, 2015, 11:54:11 PM

I've spent more time then I care to admit customizing the little tiles on the start menu.  why so serious?

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Reply #59 on: July 31, 2015, 12:27:50 AM

I upgraded the wife and kid's notebook. It went pretty well, about an hour to backup everything and then maybe 90 minutes to install.

Their machine was running really darn slow prior to the update, and it's still pretty slow after. I ran through memtest, cputest and hdd tests and nothing is erroring. So I think I might do a fresh install tomorrow to see if it's just the system specs bottlenecked or what.

It's a major improvement over 8.1 though regardless.
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Reply #60 on: July 31, 2015, 05:10:44 AM

So is there any word on if you can make a full out "install disk" with this thing once you upgrade to it?  I would bite the bullet now and dump this thing on my current pc, but I am figuring i will probably end up buying an almost completely new set of core components sometime around boxingday this year, and if it is going to be a bitch to migrate to a new pc, I will just wait.

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Reply #61 on: July 31, 2015, 07:21:34 AM

So is there any word on if you can make a full out "install disk" with this thing once you upgrade to it?  I would bite the bullet now and dump this thing on my current pc, but I am figuring i will probably end up buying an almost completely new set of core components sometime around boxingday this year, and if it is going to be a bitch to migrate to a new pc, I will just wait.

Yes they have a option for a full installer and you can either create a ISO or create a bootable USB stick. You can get it here.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
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Reply #62 on: July 31, 2015, 07:43:22 AM

Installed this on my old Sony Vaio laptop.  Four or so clicks and I was downloading.  Runs good, I like the layout.  No problems.
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Reply #63 on: July 31, 2015, 10:32:13 AM

Damn you people, I was getting my smug all worked up for a good self-righteous "Told you so, lemmings", and you ruined it for me. Instead, I am going to assert that all the many people who had problems have had all of their internet devices confiscated by MS's PR staff, and congratulate myself on evading the conspiracy, again.

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Reply #64 on: July 31, 2015, 10:43:55 AM

Some of our clients went ahead and installed it on their own, causing all kinds of headaches.  Assholes.


Meanwhile, I went and installed it on a beat- up old test laptop and it froze at 99% for about 12 hours, but hard rebooting got it working.  Seems stable since then.
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Reply #65 on: July 31, 2015, 11:26:04 AM

Some of our clients went ahead and installed it on their own, causing all kinds of headaches.  Assholes.


Meanwhile, I went and installed it on a beat- up old test laptop and it froze at 99% for about 12 hours, but hard rebooting got it working.  Seems stable since then.

You know, I have heard about this a lot. Is this just an issue of the code not containing a line to auto-reboot? I would be very skittish about rebooting as the install was running since that type of behavior is usually a no-no.

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Reply #66 on: July 31, 2015, 11:49:56 AM

After our install, I rebooted it and left it sit overnight. My wife was pretty happy - a lot of the existing programs she was using on 8.1 would take a long time (2+min) to boot. However, on win10 there's a significant performance increase.

I dislike notebooks because they have such finicky drivers and some of them are baked-in or required for the notebook to function. I don't usually spend too much time optimizing it, but win10 has really been good on her machine.
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Reply #67 on: July 31, 2015, 11:51:21 AM

Runs fine on my laptop. Surprisingly good.

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Reply #68 on: July 31, 2015, 11:58:23 AM

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Reply #69 on: July 31, 2015, 12:25:30 PM

Fuckers are even cheaping out on bandwidth for required updates? How is it Microsoft can continue to do the right thing in the most wrong way possible?

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