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Title: Windows 10 Post by: luckton on July 16, 2015, 02:03:37 PM New version, new thread.
Been using it for the last few weeks. Definitely feels like Windows 7 2.0, which I think is what MS was going for. UI improvements for app/program management, cleaner and more organized control panel, all of the under-the-hood fixes, and I don't have to worry about the cheesy Metro interface on my desktop. Can't comment on DX12 stuffs yet, but the benchmarks from others look promising. Will be interesting to see if mobile game/app developers start to port their stuff over to Windows now that the Windows app marketplace will soon have a much larger market of people to reach. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on July 16, 2015, 02:10:57 PM I've been informed that thanks to fucking Edge, my work machine HAS to be upgraded to 10. I so love being a guinea pig, but at least it will let me know if I want to do it to my home machine yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: luckton on July 16, 2015, 02:15:35 PM Edge is actually alright. Who knew that deleting 15+ years of useless ActiveX and Java Machine code, along with following industry standards for HTML and all, would make things dramatically faster? :roll:
That said, Edge was still used to dig it's own grave in downloading and installing Chrome. Maybe when uBlock Origin or AdBlock Plus puts out an Edge plugin, I'll give it a go. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on July 16, 2015, 07:03:28 PM Several days ago I got my brand new 500GB ssd to replace my painfully full 128gb SSD. I've been holding off on putting it in though since i might as well wait for Windows 10 RTM to come out and just start fresh with it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on July 17, 2015, 05:03:22 AM How are they going to charge for this? I'm wary that I upgrade and then they fuck me with some sort of subscription.
IT'S FREE! Except that in 12 months we charge you monthly. Fuck that. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on July 17, 2015, 06:17:46 AM How are they going to charge for this? I'm wary that I upgrade and then they fuck me with some sort of subscription. IT'S FREE! Except that in 12 months we charge you monthly. Fuck that. DLC all the things. :grin: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Evildrider on July 17, 2015, 06:22:06 AM How are they going to charge for this? I'm wary that I upgrade and then they fuck me with some sort of subscription. IT'S FREE! Except that in 12 months we charge you monthly. Fuck that. Pretty sure they make most of their money off businesses, universities, etc. Home users aren't their biggest clients. At least I know this was definitely true with like Office. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 17, 2015, 07:35:17 AM You won't be able to move that "free" copy to a new computer so they will get their money from you eventually. They will save a lot more in development costs in the long term for updates on older operating systems than they would have gotten from "upgrade" sales since most people just keep their existing OS.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on July 17, 2015, 07:55:55 AM Sounds like you are saying that the Win10 upgrade is basically to invalidate my Win7 key, unless I want to go back to Win7.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 17, 2015, 08:03:41 AM Sounds like you are saying that the Win10 upgrade is basically to invalidate my Win7 key, unless I want to go back to Win7. No, your Windows 7 key is only valid for the computer it was originally activated on. (And it stays valid for that machine) Though it is technically possible to move a key between hardware, it requires getting Microsoft to reset your activation key which they are not required to do. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on July 17, 2015, 08:10:28 AM I've been lucky so far with hardware upgrades.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Riggswolfe on July 17, 2015, 08:17:11 AM As a gamer my number one concern is that Windows 10 won't work well with some of my favorite games, including some MMOs I play. Have any of you had a chance to try gaming on it?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on July 17, 2015, 12:18:04 PM As a gamer my number one concern is that Windows 10 won't work well with some of my favorite games, including some MMOs I play. Have any of you had a chance to try gaming on it? This is also a concern from a Steam standpoint. I will only move if forced at gunpoint. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: angry.bob on July 17, 2015, 06:27:15 PM I still use XP. I plan building a new computer at Christmas time and that newfangled windows desktop kerjigger gives me the vapors. Is there an option to make it look like the windows I've used for 20 years?
Also, are hybrid drives reliable? or should I just stick with a stand alone SSD drive and regular HD for storage. I figured with a Hybrid I can get one more physical drive in there and save space or something. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on July 17, 2015, 07:11:19 PM It ain't worth it. It sort of made sense when getting an SSD big enough for the OS plus all the games you're actively playing was prohibitively expensive, with 256GB's under $100 and 1TB models within reach, it just doesn't make any sense any more. Get the biggest SSD you can stand the pain of, and a standard HDD big enough for all your bulk data (it doesn't need to be fast), and the result will be cheaper *and* faster than a hybrid of the same combined capacity.
--Dave Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Evildrider on July 17, 2015, 07:11:36 PM That was only Windows 8 and the hate is strong for it. Which is why they are giving free Win 10 upgrades.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on July 18, 2015, 05:38:01 PM Win10 will more than likely work perfectly fine with anything that ran in win7.
WinXP stuff, and any game that required a rain dance to get working in Win7 might be a different story. Win10 so far seems a lot less super fucked up like Win8 was at release. I'm just biting the bullet and buying a full license since i'm tired of fucking around with upgrades. Thank god for working in Academia. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: luckton on July 19, 2015, 12:51:22 AM I still use XP. I plan building a new computer at Christmas time and that newfangled windows desktop kerjigger gives me the vapors. Is there an option to make it look like the windows I've used for 20 years? Not really, no. 10 looks more like 7 in that they brought back a revitalized Start menu for non-touch screen desktop/laptop usage, but UI changes always abound in Windows upgrades. Also, good luck trying to find XP drivers for new hardware in the year 2015. Most manufacturers have moved on to having 7 as their baseline for support, and even that's going away in the next few years. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: angry.bob on July 19, 2015, 06:24:56 AM Also, good luck trying to find XP drivers for new hardware in the year 2015. Most manufacturers have moved on to having 7 as their baseline for support, and even that's going away in the next few years. Yeah, I haven't bought any new hardware except hard drives since I built this computer in 2007 and don't plan on buying any for it. It's run everything I've wanted to do just fine, including the games I play so I haven't felt the need I used to for having a high end machine. I've been starting to run into wanting to use medical software that won't work on XP so it's time to upgrade. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on July 19, 2015, 10:50:28 AM Ars Technica just ran an article exploring the "can't stop the update" issue with Win 10.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-updates-to-be-automatic-and-mandatory-for-home-users/ I gotta run out to catch Ant-Man right now, but in short even pro users don't entirely escape the problem, and this and other issues seems to be stemming from the "Windows as a service" philosophy du jour that Microsoft is playing with. Real Edit: thanks chimpy for debunking the monthly charge FUD. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 19, 2015, 11:04:43 AM Speaking of, I keep hearing that the free "upgrade" we're being offered is only good for a year, and then Microsoft could start billing Win 10 users monthly. Any truth to that? The monthly charge thing is 100% false. The "free upgrade for only a year" thing means that they will for a year allow people with a valid windows license to upgrade to 10 for no cost. Once that year lapses, they will need to purchase a full copy (or maybe an upgrade, but I am thinking they might eschew even offering an upgrade SKU at all since they gave people a year grace period). They have released the SKUs/pricing already and the price is pretty much the same as Windows 8. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on July 21, 2015, 11:44:13 AM You can get an OS with an Intune subscription though, so I would imagine Win10 would be the weapon of choice there.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: shiznitz on July 22, 2015, 12:52:09 PM I saw a few lists of "New Things in Windows 10" around the internet and none of them listed anything worth any effort on my part at all. If I bought a new PC today, I would pay the $50 to have Win 7 pre-installed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 23, 2015, 08:18:47 AM We're avoiding it at work, and I don't intend to use it at home until I know it won't break the things.
At work, it definitely breaks the things and would mean several rounds of new licenses for other software for no reason. Also, the forced updates kinda fucks with the whole disk protection thing. If I had the time I'd set up some automagic updating while we're closed, but with an IT dep't of 'me' and tons of new tech being integrated, I just don't have time for it and Win 7 works fine. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on July 23, 2015, 08:27:13 AM I believe "Win7 works fine" is the core of everyone's complaint here.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2015, 10:04:35 AM Users hate change? Naaah that's unpossible.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on July 23, 2015, 10:28:25 AM Windows 8.1 works fine, once you strip away everything that makes it different from Win7 and add back the functional Start button. Perhaps even a bit better than Win7 as far as stability/performance goes.
Of course, you realize the entire purpose in the "Free" Win10 is to justify an early sunset for 7 and 8. --Dave Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: kaid on July 23, 2015, 01:08:19 PM As a gamer my number one concern is that Windows 10 won't work well with some of my favorite games, including some MMOs I play. Have any of you had a chance to try gaming on it? Only real compatibility issue I know of off the top of my head is archage and I think one or two other games by trion use a hack detector that refuses to allow those games to run on windows 10. I assume that is fixed or will be fixed by the time win 10 is fully released but that is an issue current testers of win 10 have encountered. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: shiznitz on July 23, 2015, 06:23:20 PM http://www.computerworld.com/article/2945195/microsoft-windows/9-reasons-not-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-yet.html
9 Reasons Not To Upgrade to Windows 10 Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on July 24, 2015, 11:09:24 AM Tbh, the reasons in that article are pretty small reasons. Ok, if you are running a Jurassic computer with a serial db9 cable to remotely control your 1950s Bakelite mixer, then ya, sure skip it. You are probably running Windows 3.1 anyway.
Desktop gadgets? Really? Windows Media Center. Possibly the worst media center ever invented, abandoned by MS itself in 2009. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on July 24, 2015, 11:13:42 AM Tbh, the reasons in that article are pretty small reasons. Ok, if you are running a Jurassic computer with a serial db9 cable to remotely control your 1950s Bakelite mixer, then ya, sure skip it. You are probably running Windows 3.1 anyway. Desktop gadgets? Really? Windows Media Center. Possibly the worst media center ever invented, abandoned by MS itself in 2009. Yeah... I ran down the list and marked them all off as no. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on July 24, 2015, 11:33:13 AM Install Media Player Classic, or if you want to make people who pirate anime really mad with your choice in video player install VLC.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on July 24, 2015, 12:01:26 PM Media Center was good as a DVR/PVR -- i.e. capturing OTA or cable TV broadcasts. There are other programs that can do that but MC had better support for CableCARDs. So removing it will be a loss.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on July 24, 2015, 12:58:18 PM The only thing I am iffy about with Win10 is that forced updates on Home versions. I still don't know the actual details of how that is supposed to work. Is it going to give you a little leeway so you can schedule it for the middle of the night or whenever, or is it just going to download/install/reboot in the middle of whatever I'm doing without real warning?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Viin on July 24, 2015, 01:14:46 PM It does this now with Windows 8. I haven't noticed anything funny. It seems to do it while the computer is idle and just lets you know that the next time you restart the updates will be installed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on July 24, 2015, 01:40:18 PM Tbh, the reasons in that article are pretty small reasons. Ok, if you are running a Jurassic computer with a serial db9 cable to remotely control your 1950s Bakelite mixer, then ya, sure skip it. You are probably running Windows 3.1 anyway. Desktop gadgets? Really? Windows Media Center. Possibly the worst media center ever invented, abandoned by MS itself in 2009. Yeah... I ran down the list and marked them all off as no. --Dave Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on July 26, 2015, 10:27:43 PM Well, at least according to this article (http://betanews.com/2015/07/26/windows-10s-automatic-updates-for-nvidia-drivers-could-break-your-computer/), video drivers are considered to be one of those things Win 10 takes it upon itself to automatically "update."
Not surprisingly, this is causing problems... Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on July 26, 2015, 10:37:32 PM Well, at least according to this article (http://betanews.com/2015/07/26/windows-10s-automatic-updates-for-nvidia-drivers-could-break-your-computer/), video drivers are considered to be one of those things Win 10 takes it upon itself to automatically "update." Not surprisingly, this is causing problems... How the hell could they think that's a good idea? Picking the right driver version is already a black art, especially now that nVidia is going out of their way to "optimize" drivers for specific new games (e.g., GTA V) in ways that often break other games. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 27, 2015, 11:44:28 AM Oh boy. If it updates to the latest "Microsoft Certified" drivers over whatever you've got installed that's fucked. The MS-cert driver for our cards is 18 months behind the latest version of Nvidia's driver. Older drivers are fucked when doing 3d because of some kind of updates MS has made in those 18 months.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on July 27, 2015, 01:39:10 PM Pretty sure they'll sort it out. The hue and cry would be audible from Pluto otherwise.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: shiznitz on July 27, 2015, 01:47:57 PM And this is a gem:
http://reviews.gizmodo.com/why-the-hell-is-windows-10-sharing-my-wi-fi-passwords-1719900675?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=mondayAM#_ga=1.135867185.1647807608.1417808527 Why the Hell is Windows 10 Sharing my WiFi Passwords? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on July 27, 2015, 03:15:17 PM :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on July 27, 2015, 03:20:31 PM This keeps getting mentioned around the internet and has to be constantly debunked on why it's not that big of a deal. This one comment has a good explanation:
Quote Ok, to clear a little bit of this so it’s not a complete freak out. This WiFi Sense has been known about for a while now and has been in various tech preview builds. Plus Windows Phone. Second thing is that WiFi networks are not shared by default. I just checked this on my Surface Pro 3. The WiFi Sense service is indeed enabled by default, but you must specifically pick which of your saved networks get shared. Non of your saved WiFi networks are shared automatically without your knowledge. When you connect to a new network, there will be a check box you can select to share the network after connecting. It is not checked by default. The Outlook, Skype, and Facebook friends are checked by default, but that only means that they are enabled for sharing. You still have to pick which networks are shared first. Also WiFi Sense needs you to grant it permission your Facebook first before any sharing takes place. I hope this clears some of this up a bit. The article made it seem like this is a huge deal to freak out about when it’s really not. In reality it's an extremely useful feature allowing you to not have to constantly pull out pieces of paper for most house holds that don't change their wifi password from their default gibberish and are having someone over who you would like to use your wifi. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 27, 2015, 05:01:54 PM My god, yes that's an incredibly useful feature in office environments as well. We keep a "Guest Wi-Fi" that's in the DMZ and it's always a pain in the ass getting Clients/ Consultants and the like connected.
SO MANY user complaints that the first 5-10 minutes of an on-site meeting are getting people hooked into the wi-fi. This handles that without us needing to hand out cards and manage the process? Awesome. This does the same thing that Cisco's Spark/ Proximity solution does, but without the additional hardware and software outlay? Even fucking better. This is a boon to collaborative networking in many fields. It sounds awesome. Does it mean more work for the company Network Admin? Yes, but fuck those guys they don't work enough. :grin: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lucas on July 29, 2015, 02:03:26 PM Looks like I landed safely on the other side, but the process wasn't without a....ahem, "minor" hiccup :uhrr:
You know, I have a powerful PC, but apparently my screen decided to stay pitch black for more than 3 and a half hours during the update process with only the blue LED of the monitor blinking. So I decided to try my luck and do a hard reset: result is that the screen remains black and I can't even access the BIOS. I press some buttons on the monitor proper (an '07 Samsung 245B), to no avail. So I start diggin' up some info with my other incredible PC, an 2010 ASUS Netbook (yep, not a typo :P), and see others are in my same position, with also some solutions being offered. I open up the case, try to disconnect the graphic card and also pressing the reset button on the motherboard. Nothing. Oh yeah, I also tried rebooting with the Win 8 CD. So....umm, "hey, let's try pressing those monitor button aga....." BANG!!! Monitor lits up with the motherboard BIOS screen. Yeah well, apparently it was the only button I didn't think about pressing, umm...3-4 hours ago. And yes, it was the "reset monitor settings" button I actually THOUGHT I had already pressed. Proud PC Master Race alpha specimen representin', yo! :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on July 29, 2015, 02:38:53 PM I am also crazy and upgraded straight away, and so far it has been utterly painless. It carried over all my previous Win7 preferences and junk and like 98% of the install process was automated and hands free. I walked away, made and ate lunch, came back to the new Win10 login screen.
There's some stuff I'm still trying to get used too and figure out, but that's just par for the course with a new OS. I'll let you know if anything explodes. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on July 29, 2015, 04:54:49 PM The only issue I had was the first boot used the Microsoft display driver (which didn't detect my 2nd monitor or anything). I tried to install NVIDIA's drivers and they kept failing. On a hunch I restarted and on restart everything worked (with NVIDIA's driver already installed).
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on July 29, 2015, 06:51:09 PM Mine is just using whatever drivers I had going on Win7. I should probably find new 10 drivers or something, but it's all working so fuck it for now :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lucas on July 30, 2015, 05:08:35 AM Beside the "hiccup" I mentioned yesterday, everything else worked fine. No data loss, no problem with drivers. I already modified some settings and removed some of the default "fluff" from the Start Menu and application bar (like that HUGE search bar).
The new browser, "Edge" , is not bad: scrolling down seems smoother compared to the other competitors. With 100% zoom, some pages are a bit hard to read, while at 125% (there is no in-between those two) some look slightly too big and off. Also, AFAIK, the zoom setting is global, no way to save it for single pages and later use. Hopefully they'll implement extensions sooner rather than later. It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on July 30, 2015, 05:40:21 AM It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing. Heh. Of course. I find Bing is great for porn searches, though. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Bunk on July 30, 2015, 07:10:43 AM The only issue I had was the first boot used the Microsoft display driver (which didn't detect my 2nd monitor or anything). I tried to install NVIDIA's drivers and they kept failing. On a hunch I restarted and on restart everything worked (with NVIDIA's driver already installed). Mine went exactly the same, error until reboot then everything was perfect. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: murdoc on July 30, 2015, 07:50:04 AM It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing. Heh. Of course. I find Bing is great for porn searches, though. You can add it - just go to google.com first, then it will show up on the list of available search engines. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lucas on July 30, 2015, 08:28:22 AM It doesn't look like you can add Google to the automatic search engines, for now, so you're stuck with Bing. Heh. Of course. I find Bing is great for porn searches, though. You can add it - just go to google.com first, then it will show up on the list of available search engines. Ah, thanks, now it works :) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on July 30, 2015, 01:06:29 PM Windows key + tab is my new favorite thing ever....
and yes I understand Macs have had it forever..... Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hammond on July 30, 2015, 01:40:12 PM Ran through the update on a work Dell XPS laptop. Only hicup that I ran into is you cannot a full reinstall with a key that is stored in the bios. Seems Microsoft doesn't recognize it as a valid key until you upgrade and change the key. So I had to reinstall windows 8.1 off of a restore disc get all the drivers fixed that didn't install properly. Once that was done I was able to run the upgrade to windows 10 without any real issues in about 35 - 40 min. So far so good I think the reinstated start menu is a tad busy for my liking but its nice that it is back.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 30, 2015, 02:46:19 PM Windows key + tab is my new favorite thing ever.... and yes I understand Macs have had it forever..... How did it change from Win +Tab of 7? (That was apparently missing in 8, based on my Surface) It's not the scrolling wheel of open applications anymore? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 30, 2015, 02:59:18 PM I think it is like Expose (or whatever Apple changed the name to on OSX) where it is a number of tiny windows for all open applicator spread out in a checkerboard on the screen now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on July 30, 2015, 07:32:49 PM I think it is like Expose (or whatever Apple changed the name to on OSX) where it is a number of tiny windows for all open applicator spread out in a checkerboard on the screen now. Yeah, but the bigger part of it is it's spread out based on what monitor the app was last active on, which makes it a crap ton easier to find the application you are looking for, assuming you tend to put applications on the same monitor. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on July 30, 2015, 11:54:11 PM I've spent more time then I care to admit customizing the little tiles on the start menu. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hawkbit on July 31, 2015, 12:27:50 AM I upgraded the wife and kid's notebook. It went pretty well, about an hour to backup everything and then maybe 90 minutes to install.
Their machine was running really darn slow prior to the update, and it's still pretty slow after. I ran through memtest, cputest and hdd tests and nothing is erroring. So I think I might do a fresh install tomorrow to see if it's just the system specs bottlenecked or what. It's a major improvement over 8.1 though regardless. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on July 31, 2015, 05:10:44 AM So is there any word on if you can make a full out "install disk" with this thing once you upgrade to it? I would bite the bullet now and dump this thing on my current pc, but I am figuring i will probably end up buying an almost completely new set of core components sometime around boxingday this year, and if it is going to be a bitch to migrate to a new pc, I will just wait.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hammond on July 31, 2015, 07:21:34 AM So is there any word on if you can make a full out "install disk" with this thing once you upgrade to it? I would bite the bullet now and dump this thing on my current pc, but I am figuring i will probably end up buying an almost completely new set of core components sometime around boxingday this year, and if it is going to be a bitch to migrate to a new pc, I will just wait. Yes they have a option for a full installer and you can either create a ISO or create a bootable USB stick. You can get it here. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Tannhauser on July 31, 2015, 07:43:22 AM Installed this on my old Sony Vaio laptop. Four or so clicks and I was downloading. Runs good, I like the layout. No problems.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on July 31, 2015, 10:32:13 AM Damn you people, I was getting my smug all worked up for a good self-righteous "Told you so, lemmings", and you ruined it for me. Instead, I am going to assert that all the many people who had problems have had all of their internet devices confiscated by MS's PR staff, and congratulate myself on evading the conspiracy, again.
--Dave Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Phildo on July 31, 2015, 10:43:55 AM Some of our clients went ahead and installed it on their own, causing all kinds of headaches. Assholes.
Meanwhile, I went and installed it on a beat- up old test laptop and it froze at 99% for about 12 hours, but hard rebooting got it working. Seems stable since then. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on July 31, 2015, 11:26:04 AM Some of our clients went ahead and installed it on their own, causing all kinds of headaches. Assholes. Meanwhile, I went and installed it on a beat- up old test laptop and it froze at 99% for about 12 hours, but hard rebooting got it working. Seems stable since then. You know, I have heard about this a lot. Is this just an issue of the code not containing a line to auto-reboot? I would be very skittish about rebooting as the install was running since that type of behavior is usually a no-no. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hawkbit on July 31, 2015, 11:49:56 AM After our install, I rebooted it and left it sit overnight. My wife was pretty happy - a lot of the existing programs she was using on 8.1 would take a long time (2+min) to boot. However, on win10 there's a significant performance increase.
I dislike notebooks because they have such finicky drivers and some of them are baked-in or required for the notebook to function. I don't usually spend too much time optimizing it, but win10 has really been good on her machine. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on July 31, 2015, 11:51:21 AM Runs fine on my laptop. Surprisingly good.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on July 31, 2015, 11:58:23 AM Your Windows 10 machines are now serving torrents (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/windows_10_torrent_updates/) :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on July 31, 2015, 12:25:30 PM Fuckers are even cheaping out on bandwidth for required updates? How is it Microsoft can continue to do the right thing in the most wrong way possible?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: eldaec on July 31, 2015, 12:31:41 PM Your Windows 10 machines are now serving torrents (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/windows_10_torrent_updates/) :awesome_for_real: If I read that right, as well as telling you how to stop torrenting patches, the MS link in that also tells you how to turn off auto update if you want. Just set your internet connection to 'metered connection' and you're good. This might be bloodworth news idk. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Phildo on July 31, 2015, 12:46:45 PM You know, I have heard about this a lot. Is this just an issue of the code not containing a line to auto-reboot? I would be very skittish about rebooting as the install was running since that type of behavior is usually a no-no. Fortunately, this is a test machine and I've got Windows 7 restore disks out the ass here. If I accidentally brick it, it's lived a good life and I'll remember it fondly. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on July 31, 2015, 04:50:47 PM I just manually updated to win 10 and it took me about 30 minutes. Strange...
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 01, 2015, 06:22:51 AM As a gamer my number one concern is that Windows 10 won't work well with some of my favorite games, including some MMOs I play. Have any of you had a chance to try gaming on it? Windows 10 Games Compatibility List (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/windows-10-games-compatibility-list/a31335a8-730f-4ac9-8c19-7c8c3a664ced?auth=1). Edit: I have extensively checked the list for all of the games I play and I think I'm good to go. Quote Minecraft - Playable. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on August 01, 2015, 10:06:52 AM Btw, snapping to quadrants is fucking great.
Widnows + left/right then up/down. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on August 01, 2015, 03:45:12 PM Huh. I didn't know about Windows + Left/Right Arrow. That's going to make things a lot easier on this ultra-wide.
--Dave (I may have gone a little drunk with power, I currently have 4 screens running from my laptop) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Senses on August 01, 2015, 04:36:15 PM Going from win 7 to win 10 for free and it only took a couple minutes of giving a crap...Props to Microsoft on this one.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Xuri on August 01, 2015, 05:04:27 PM Quote The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing - Not Playable. (Crashes after a period of time. Tested by Deadeyez.) Not acceptable! I need to finish this game before I can upgrade ;PTitle: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on August 01, 2015, 05:41:30 PM Can't wait for it to come out that Win10 is just a reskinned 7. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on August 01, 2015, 06:08:01 PM If you didn't dig through 13 screens of privacy options, by default Windows 10 will apparently send every keystroke, every website, and all app usage data to Microsoft. Oh, and your location data, everything you say or write with an input device, and device details (software/hardware) and usage. It also assigns a unique ID to your device and user which is shared with advertisers, and shows ads in the start menu if not elsewhere too. Some of these things you cannot disable except in the Enterprise edition.
Amusingly enough, these things are much more invasive than what they accused Google of doing in their "Scroogle" ad campaign. ExtremeTech article (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/211208-windows-10s-default-privacy-settings-and-controls-leave-much-to-be-desired) has details about the new anti-privacy defaults, along with a link to more screenshots. Or use Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 01, 2015, 08:14:18 PM They were also defaulted to "off" for the most part if you hit "customize my install" vs. being click-happy.
Finally got the upgrade done today. Aside from a few issues with drivers (yay Nvidia) and games (wtf Marvel heroes) it's been smooth. I love the ability to have different backgrounds on each monitor. The UI looks a lot crisper than it did in 7, even on the old monitor that's dying. The OS starts up like a dog, though. I thought it was supposed to be faster, but it seems to be going slower than before. Any idea how to do a clean install since you don't get a key when you upgrade. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on August 01, 2015, 08:19:50 PM What problems did you have with Marvel Heroes? Driver issues? I haven't played for any marathon sessions yet but I've run a few instances and it was fine for me.
There's a option to do a clean install in the settings. Just ask Cortana for Recovery settings and it should bring up the section. I have no idea how it works though, so maybe it's not what you need. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hammond on August 01, 2015, 08:30:42 PM My understanding is once you upgrade successfully to windows 10 and it shows as activated Microsoft stores a unique hash identifier of your system setup. So the hardware should stay activated if you ever need to reinstall. How that works in practice once you swap something I have no clue.
http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-make-sure-your-free-copy-windows-10-activated (http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-make-sure-your-free-copy-windows-10-activated) So theoretically you should be able to do a complete reinstall using the installer I linked above since you already upgraded without any issues. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 01, 2015, 09:42:55 PM What problems did you have with Marvel Heroes? Driver issues? I haven't played for any marathon sessions yet but I've run a few instances and it was fine for me. There's a option to do a clean install in the settings. Just ask Cortana for Recovery settings and it should bring up the section. I have no idea how it works though, so maybe it's not what you need. Looks like it was two things. One, the patcher .exe requires you to flag it "run as admin." which is weird. Two I had a corrupted patch install and kept getting the metafile error. Uninstall/ reinstall fixed that. Still needs to be run as admin. My understanding is once you upgrade successfully to windows 10 and it shows as activated Microsoft stores a unique hash identifier of your system setup. So the hardware should stay activated if you ever need to reinstall. How that works in practice once you swap something I have no clue. http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-make-sure-your-free-copy-windows-10-activated (http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-make-sure-your-free-copy-windows-10-activated) So theoretically you should be able to do a complete reinstall using the installer I linked above since you already upgraded without any issues. Cool, thanks. I'm going to be swapping so my smaller SSD is the primary drive and couldn't prior to upgrade because it needed a key. Lots of "should" in that article, though. I might just give it a shot without wiping out the install currently on my physical drive. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on August 01, 2015, 10:21:27 PM Ahh the infamous meta file error. I see that one A LOT on the forums. Do you use the stand alone patcher or steam?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Furiously on August 02, 2015, 04:24:58 PM I don't get having to install directx9 on a directx12 thingie... Seems like they should package all the shit everything needs with the system. VC++ stuff also needed to get downloaded.
Biggest pain was getting Nvidia drivers to work. Still not sure I have all my system devices working. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rasix on August 03, 2015, 01:16:22 PM You can put DX9 back on Win10?
I've had to change FFXIV to DX11 and for some reason that doesn't alt tab very well with my system. It just shoots into this windowed mode instead of tabbing into another program. Annoying as hell, but I can live with it. Before Win10 it'd being in DX11 mode would just make the game completely unstable and alt tab would lock it up. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 03, 2015, 01:43:02 PM I did register for the update but this thread isn't selling me on it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 03, 2015, 02:17:56 PM I upgraded at home and like it a lot now that I've got it going. Machine is definitely acting better now that I've got it cleaned-up a bit.
If you've got a 2nd device like a laptop, upgrade that then decide if you like it. I had an advantage in that I could test it on my work surface 3 first. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rasix on August 03, 2015, 02:18:25 PM They also didn't have the theme I was using for Windows 7.
:tantrum: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: veredus on August 03, 2015, 02:43:04 PM After upgrading had some severe lag/response issues trying to play FM 15 but updated my Nvidia driver to a win 10 version and that fixed it. That was the only game I tried without upgrading my driver. No other issues so far and definitely loads things faster. Also upgraded my wife's low end cheap laptop from 8.1. This was the one I was most worried about having issues with but it actually runs noticeably better too. Overall I like it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hawkbit on August 03, 2015, 07:08:00 PM Also upgraded my wife's low end cheap laptop from 8.1. This was the one I was most worried about having issues with but it actually runs noticeably better too. Overall I like it. This was my big concern, and like you, our low end notebook on 8.1 is performing noticeably better. I can't recommend the upgrade for all yet, but between the performance increase and the reduced navigation confusion, this has been positive so far. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 04, 2015, 05:22:35 AM Took me about an hour to upgrade on my main PC. Only real problem so far is that my old monitor calibration device and the associated software don't seem to be working properly any more. That's quite a major problem for me unfortunately and since my calibrator is a discontinued product I suspect I'm just going to have to shell out for a new one.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on August 04, 2015, 08:43:11 AM Oddly enough Chrome has been quite annoying since upgrading to Windows 10. All plugins I had (flashblock, adblock, lastpass) had major rendering problems making them useless or very close to useless. I got annoyed and switched to Firefox, but then got annoyed at how slow it is. I then got annoyed that Edge doesn't allow plugins, which makes it useless to me.
I then uninstalled chrome and reinstalled it, and now Chrome is working well again (except for being extremely (extreeemmelllyyy) annoying recently about bad ssl certificates on localhost). So, if you are having trouble with Chrome, might be good to reinstall it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on August 04, 2015, 09:17:00 AM I then got annoyed that Edge doesn't allow plugins, which makes it useless to me. This. I mean really in this day and age, wtf is Microsoft doing? Explorer is a joke and they go and fuck up the next generation of their browser right out of the box. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on August 04, 2015, 09:17:45 AM Microsoft. Internet browser. How could you expect them to do anything BUT fuck it up?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on August 04, 2015, 09:44:37 AM For what it's worth they've said all along the first version wasn't going to have plugin support but that's the highest priority once it ships. And honestly, Edge feels pretty good so far outside of no plugin support.
Apparently Windows 10 wasn't supposed to ship until October originally, but then they decided to push it up to July to meet back to school leaving all hardware vendors (including their own Surface team) screwed. That's why hololens was originally said to be "in the Windows 10 timeframe" and they mentioned a few times about Windows 10 launching with unique PC builds that take advantage of the new Windows 10 features that apparently has yet to materialize. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Raph on August 04, 2015, 12:52:08 PM Upgraded my arcade cab. Causes the front-end to crash when the screensaver turned on... so I just turned it off (the screen turns off after a little while anyway). Also had an issue with the desktop background randomly turning into mush, hasn't happened since I made the above fix.
So far the biggest annoyance is that Settings and Control Panel are both there, and are duplicative, and not 100% overlap. There's stuff you can only change in one or the other. For example, adding and removing programs via one or the other will show different lists (!). Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on August 04, 2015, 03:23:14 PM Pretty typical windows stuff.
Incidentally I bet progman (which is from windows 3.1) is still present in some form too. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Furiously on August 04, 2015, 10:50:25 PM You can't change the download directory on edge....
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Bunk on August 05, 2015, 07:38:10 AM I'll never quite understand why they put out new apps that don't have basic functionality of past ones. Had to reassociate all my picture file types to the Windows 7 picture viewer. The new Photo app works great at first glance: reads my Canon RAWs automatically, responds quite well. Then I noticed if I'm scrolling through a folder and get to the end, it just stops, doesn't wrap around. Minor but annoying. Then I tried to open a picture to edit it...
No fricking right-click menu functionality. None. Wtf? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on August 05, 2015, 08:47:45 AM No fricking right-click menu functionality. None. Wtf? It's in the miracle patch. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 05, 2015, 09:04:59 AM Having some more teething troubles. My tablet (a cheapo Linx 8) updated to win 10 fine, although it's a bit sluggish in use. To be fair it was sluggish with win 8.1 too. Anyway, the auto-rotate doesn't work any more, which is highly annoying. The searching I've done suggests it's a graphics driver problem, so I'll have to wait for Intel to sort it out.
Also, I use WMP to stream music to a network media player in the kitchen. Since installing Win 10 it lists all tracks in albums alphabetically rather than bu track number. It's OK on the desktop, it's just the streaming that's fuct. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on August 05, 2015, 09:24:25 AM Past two days I am getting a weird reboot error. I set Windows to sleep after 1 hour and turn the monitor off after 30 minutes. It works 80% of the time. The other times, I hit my spacebar or click my mouse to wake it up just like I always do but it just stays in sleep mode. I have LEDs in my mouse that flicker when I click it so I know the mouse clicks are working to send a signal. I have to hit the reset button on the box to get anything to reboot which then boots, bios screen, windows loading screen, reboot by to bios screen, windows loading, logon screen. When I get to the desktop, my icons are all back to default positions.
It is not consistent so I have no idea what is tripping it up. For now, I am manually sleeping it which doesn't seem to error out. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on August 06, 2015, 01:39:48 PM Edge is being a dick. It will close itself when I click on different tabs. First time, you can reopen it with the tabs remembered, second time you can go screw yourself because it's closing your shit.
This is really, really annoying. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lantyssa on August 06, 2015, 08:01:32 PM It is not consistent so I have no idea what is tripping it up. For now, I am manually sleeping it which doesn't seem to error out. Windows has always had problems with sleep. The icons resetting is likely due to the fact that Windows has never saved its desktop until you log off. Since you're hitting reset, they're not saved.Try getting them where you want them and logging out. If Win 10 behaves like previous versions, those should keep their locations even if you reset. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 06, 2015, 10:57:15 PM WIndows 10 has a new bluescreen. It has a sadface on it. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Tebonas on August 06, 2015, 11:03:24 PM Don't I know that. I get that sadface every two to three hours on my gaming rig (Internal Power Error). Now I either have to clean up all the drivers and hope its an incompatibility there or I revert back to Windows 7. Guess depends ont he weather this weekend.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on August 07, 2015, 12:42:59 PM Welp, I've finally taken the plunge on my work computer. Chrome does seem a bit zippier, though the fonts also seem a little smaller/harder to read. I do dig Edge's clip/notes feature which my office may have to start using for edits on the web sites we do (too bad there's no Edge for Macs since half the computers in this place use Macs).
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on August 07, 2015, 12:49:47 PM The little Calendar app refuses to open anymore, as does the little built in onenote. They just freeze up on their loading screens then close themselves.
The windows store app was doing that, but a reboot seems to have fixed it... except it won't download anything. It will queue shit up, but won't make any progress. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Bunk on August 07, 2015, 01:26:22 PM So I realized that due to me setting it up once years ago, I actually have quite a bit of free space on One Drive (~130 GB). I found some photos on an old drive recently that I don't trust, so thought why not, lets back em up on One Drive. About 27 GB worth.
Started that a few days ago. Anytime I wanted to use anything requiring the net, I'd have to go in to One Drive's settings and turn off batch transfer, or I couldn't do anything. As in online games would timeout trying to log in. I'd turn that batching back on after. Two days later, it had synched over 6GB. At that point I just turned it off. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on August 07, 2015, 01:53:04 PM OneDrive synching is utter shit. I speak as a chap who sells this particular turd.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on August 08, 2015, 08:35:30 AM So I realized that due to me setting it up once years ago, I actually have quite a bit of free space on One Drive (~130 GB). I found some photos on an old drive recently that I don't trust, so thought why not, lets back em up on One Drive. About 27 GB worth. Started that a few days ago. Anytime I wanted to use anything requiring the net, I'd have to go in to One Drive's settings and turn off batch transfer, or I couldn't do anything. As in online games would timeout trying to log in. I'd turn that batching back on after. Two days later, it had synched over 6GB. At that point I just turned it off. Use Cloudberry for Azure. It's free and worked great for my to move my 71gb of Amazon Glacier backups to my personal Onedrive. Took me a while since I only have 2Mbps upload (fucking dsl) but I was able to control the bandwidth so it didn't destroy my internet while I was at home and full blast it at night when I was sleeping. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on August 08, 2015, 08:40:57 AM Cloudberry is, indeed, the shit for getting stuff to an fro.
Interestingly, Microsoft Azure Storage tools are also really quite good if you need to shift shit directly up to Azure. Not so much for OneDrive. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on August 08, 2015, 02:47:00 PM I have like 300GB of space on OneDrive due to stuff from work but the client is complete trash compared to Dropbox which is kinda shocking.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on August 09, 2015, 12:28:31 AM Every user of Office365 gets a free terabyte of storage space. I have a client that decided rather than spend money on SharePoint Storage, they'd use the OneDrive, call one user 'Server' and share all the files out from there. It would be great except for the OneDrive client. We get calls from them all the fucking time.
They also get confused because there's OneDrive, OneDrive for Business, Personal OneDrive on the Microsoft Live accounts on the devices and finally SharePoint. So when they go to save, they continually fuck it up. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Signe on August 09, 2015, 09:58:30 AM So I did this. I did! Minimal problems. I took care of the wifi sharing and a TESO #209 error and VOILA! all done. It's SO much faster which is always nice.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 09, 2015, 05:15:53 PM Every user of Office365 gets a free terabyte of storage space. I have a client that decided rather than spend money on SharePoint Storage, they'd use the OneDrive, call one user 'Server' and share all the files out from there. It would be great except for the OneDrive client. We get calls from them all the fucking time. They also get confused because there's OneDrive, OneDrive for Business, Personal OneDrive on the Microsoft Live accounts on the devices and finally SharePoint. So when they go to save, they continually fuck it up. You're continually making me sad my boss won't move our storage to the cloud. It would solve SO MANY problems with file sharing with clients. So. Many. Now, if only there were a collaboration e-mail interface so that you could file e-mails from a team per job and per client. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: rattran on August 09, 2015, 08:53:51 PM Windows 10 didn't activate, the fine Microsoft Phone Drone said I had to upgrade to 8, then 10 from 7. :uhrr:
I reverted to 7, tried again, and it's working fine now. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on August 10, 2015, 12:49:16 AM Every user of Office365 gets a free terabyte of storage space. I have a client that decided rather than spend money on SharePoint Storage, they'd use the OneDrive, call one user 'Server' and share all the files out from there. It would be great except for the OneDrive client. We get calls from them all the fucking time. They also get confused because there's OneDrive, OneDrive for Business, Personal OneDrive on the Microsoft Live accounts on the devices and finally SharePoint. So when they go to save, they continually fuck it up. You're continually making me sad my boss won't move our storage to the cloud. It would solve SO MANY problems with file sharing with clients. So. Many. Now, if only there were a collaboration e-mail interface so that you could file e-mails from a team per job and per client. 365 will do that. Sorry. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 10, 2015, 05:51:42 AM Wife's Surface upgraded itself to 10. First bothersome moment was not being able to save a PDF via Edge. Luckily there was a "Open in IE" context menu item.
She only uses the Surface to RDP into her work computer. Before anyone says anything. She hates it like Hobbitses. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 10, 2015, 05:54:48 AM I have a surface pro 3 and love it. I had a 2 pro prior to that and it was great for taking notes in meetings but I found the screen too small for anything beyond that. Why's she hate it?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 10, 2015, 06:01:05 AM Mostly because she's a keyboard lady, I guess. It's sort of tablety and sort of PCish, and she just has a better browsing experience on her Kindle Fire. She finds the pen to be a bit fiddly. With Win10 not eliminating the schism between New and Old interfaces, it's not likely to be an overall improvement.
If I ask too many questions, she might want me to do something about it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on August 10, 2015, 06:29:24 AM I like the 3, but I don't think I could use a Surface without the keyboard cover.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 10, 2015, 06:37:20 AM Every user of Office365 gets a free terabyte of storage space. I have a client that decided rather than spend money on SharePoint Storage, they'd use the OneDrive, call one user 'Server' and share all the files out from there. It would be great except for the OneDrive client. We get calls from them all the fucking time. They also get confused because there's OneDrive, OneDrive for Business, Personal OneDrive on the Microsoft Live accounts on the devices and finally SharePoint. So when they go to save, they continually fuck it up. You're continually making me sad my boss won't move our storage to the cloud. It would solve SO MANY problems with file sharing with clients. So. Many. Now, if only there were a collaboration e-mail interface so that you could file e-mails from a team per job and per client. 365 will do that. Sorry. Direct me to more info, please. We're using Newforma which has industry-specific uses like RFI and Task management, but we don't use half of them. If I can facilitate move to a combination of 365 & Bluebeam this might be a better (and cheaper) workflow. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on August 10, 2015, 06:40:14 AM Mostly because she's a keyboard lady, I guess. It's sort of tablety and sort of PCish, and she just has a better browsing experience on her Kindle Fire. She finds the pen to be a bit fiddly. With Win10 not eliminating the schism between New and Old interfaces, it's not likely to be an overall improvement. If I ask too many questions, she might want me to do something about it. I like the 3, but I don't think I could use a Surface without the keyboard cover. Yeah, 100%. Covers are cheap, give her one as a surprise present. I like this one: http://tinyurl.com/o65bqub Physical keys instead of the tactile keys. The touchpad gets obnoxious so I turn that function off and use a bluetooth mouse instead. I use it as a tablet only in meetings when I'm taking notes by hand or drawing things. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 10, 2015, 07:56:40 AM She has that keyboard in blue. I don't like it much either because I always press a few keys while folding it back. Then I have to bring it out again depending on which Windows shows up that minute. This is klunky in real-world situations where a tablet-thing is used. I don't find myself near a clear and flat surface very often, and I suspect she doesn't either, since that is exactly the situation in which someone would use a tablet.
My disclaimer is that I tend to use either a desktop or my phone for everything and don't find myself in situations where I wish I had a laptop or tablet, so I probably can't be trusted here. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on August 10, 2015, 04:23:27 PM I'm still waiting on my full Pro license which for some reason only ships at the end of this week. Coolio.
I keep wanting to buy a new case but can't work up the energy to bother wanting to take the guts out of my PC and move it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on August 11, 2015, 08:47:23 AM Ran into the "Windows doesn't actually recreate your Start Menu > All Programs it just hunts out EXE files and shits them onto your All Apps" thing yesterday. One of my clients requires a VPN client for me to make changes to their site and SURPRISE! Windows 10 didn't see that program. Hunting for it found me the exe only to discover shit doesn't work with Windows 10. Even a reinstall and regedit doesn't make the goddamn thing work. Fuck you Cisco.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 11, 2015, 09:42:44 AM I am glad that I seem to be getting mostly trivial problems in comparison to the far more serious sound things you guys are having.
For instance, the calculator doesn't work properly for me. I have a Microsoft keyboard, with a calculator button, and when I press it sometimes it opens Calculator, sometimes it doesn't. When it does open it doesn't automatically get focus and doesn't accept keyboard inputs. It's entirely useless. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on August 11, 2015, 09:42:50 AM Oh if it's Cisco Anyconnect that's shit and you should just dig up the manual settings for the VPN.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Evildrider on August 11, 2015, 10:30:22 AM Got drunk and apparently upgraded to Win 10. No problems so far. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on August 11, 2015, 12:05:24 PM Oh if it's Cisco Anyconnect that's shit and you should just dig up the manual settings for the VPN. It isn't, it's an earlier VPN client (like VPN 5) or some shit that their host requires us to use to FTP into their web site. Did I mention I fucking HATE VPN clients? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Phildo on August 11, 2015, 12:12:41 PM The client of ours who had a bunch of users upgrade to Windows 10 encountered a compatibility error with Microsoft CRM. Whoops!
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 11, 2015, 12:28:11 PM So far, I'm glad I haven't upgraded.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on August 11, 2015, 12:30:37 PM Thing is, as upgrades go, specifically MICROSOFT OS UPGRADES, it's not really been all that damn bad. The IT guy at my company did have a situation where Internet Explorer popped up when he tried to view something instead of Edge. You may think that motherfucker is gone, but IT WILL NOT DIE.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 11, 2015, 12:45:47 PM That's fine since I don't see how to right-click-Save-As a link in Edge, nor does it seem to understand what to do with a PDF link.
As for historical MicroSoft shenanigans, sure, it's not the worst upgrade. I think the upgrade itself would be A-OK but I just don't think I'm going to be happy with the end product. Or end products, as it seems. Maybe I'd better wait for the next iteration of Win Server. Or maybe I should just fuck off to Ubuntu and emulate any Steam games that aren't native. Choices, choices. Regarding Phildo's observation, I think internal incompatibility at MS is the main problem here. You have the OS designers with decades of experience, and you have those fuckers that want everything in little squares. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on August 14, 2015, 05:51:25 PM The little Calendar app refuses to open anymore, as does the little built in onenote. They just freeze up on their loading screens then close themselves. The windows store app was doing that, but a reboot seems to have fixed it... except it won't download anything. It will queue shit up, but won't make any progress. :why_so_serious: The latest update has fixed this for me as far as I can tell. So good job Microsoft! Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: eldaec on August 17, 2015, 11:26:26 AM Does this automated updates thing mean windows 10 force restarts me at 10 minutes notice with absolutely no way to prevent it?
I ask because windows 8 did that to me for the first time today (and windows update is now set back to manual as a result). Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on August 17, 2015, 01:05:01 PM Ia there a way to disable the "Please upgrade to Win 10" popups? I'm only getting them on one machine; both of my boxes are running Win7 and I'm happy to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on August 17, 2015, 01:13:06 PM I don't think so. It's annoying because I can't upgrade my laptop due to my contract's Windows 8 "store/metro/wtf ever" app being completely broken in Windows 10 and thus I need 8.1 installed to make my money on that contract.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on August 17, 2015, 01:57:17 PM You want to uninstall update KB3035583, rerun Windows update, find that update and then hide it before it has a chance to reinstall itself when you aren't looking (sneaky bastard).
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: jth on August 17, 2015, 02:17:13 PM Ia there a way to disable the "Please upgrade to Win 10" popups? I'm only getting them on one machine; both of my boxes are running Win7 and I'm happy to keep it that way. I used this procedure (http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-7-to-10-gwx-how-to-remove.html) which should get rid of them for good. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on August 17, 2015, 02:57:55 PM Does this automated updates thing mean windows 10 force restarts me at 10 minutes notice with absolutely no way to prevent it? I ask because windows 8 did that to me for the first time today (and windows update is now set back to manual as a result). No you can set it to ask you when to reboot, with multiple day delay if desired. So the little notification will show up and ask you 'updates are ready, need to reboot, when would you like to do that?' and you set it for whatever is convenient for you. This was my concern as well initially, would it just randomly reboot on me to install new updates. It's not THAT stupid thankfully. There's also a round about way to have it not update at all, if you set it so your system has 'limited bandwidth' in settings or whatever. I believe that's actually for phones or whatnot, but I hear it works for this too. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 17, 2015, 06:30:25 PM The 'metered connection' setting?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on August 17, 2015, 06:34:55 PM I think so, but I haven't fooled with it myself so maybe it's all coming out of my ass and the internet. Don't know for certain.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 17, 2015, 10:37:51 PM Does this automated updates thing mean windows 10 force restarts me at 10 minutes notice with absolutely no way to prevent it? I ask because windows 8 did that to me for the first time today (and windows update is now set back to manual as a result). Win 10 hasn't done that to me since the technical preview. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 18, 2015, 06:02:18 AM The metered connection is real. It lives in the Metro half of the network configuration. I set this on my wife's Serfase 3.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Signe on August 18, 2015, 08:45:12 AM Firefox is slow and clumsy since I upgraded but I'm not entirely sure it's Windows 10. It might be time to sort out a new browser. Bleh. I hate doing that.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on September 07, 2015, 10:47:49 PM I decided to wipe my PC and do a clean install of Win 10 yesterday, so I can confirm that it does indeed automatically activate it after you originally did the free upgrade from win 7/8/etc. It does ask you for your product key a couple of times during installation but you just skip it.
It's also fixed my issues with both the calculator and WMP and it now boots up really quickly too. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: rattran on September 08, 2015, 05:15:41 AM Uninstalling/Reinstalling both chrome and firefox on 10 made them work better. Firefox is still snappier for me.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Signe on September 08, 2015, 07:55:18 AM I did that, too, and it's working fine. My noScript acts a little wonky though.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on September 08, 2015, 08:03:02 AM Chrome is having a little fight with noscript/ adblock right now which might be part of the problem. Google is upset you're bypassing their way to make money.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on September 10, 2015, 07:32:30 AM Well, with google suddenly ending their web hosting without giving recourse, fuck google.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 13, 2015, 02:56:12 PM If you have Windows 7, have not opted into the Free upgrade, but did not uninstall their stupid nag ware:
DO NOT ALLOW YOUR COMPUTER TO AUTO-UPDATE TONIGHT I checked my pending windows updates and there were no important updates selected and the "Optional" update for Upgrade to Windows 10 was selected. Luckily I caught it before it went and installed on me. Now I have to dig through and remove the update that started nagging about it. Angry as fuck at Microsoft right now. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on October 13, 2015, 02:57:46 PM They put that back in last week. It is annoying.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2015, 03:47:59 PM I might be in trouble.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 13, 2015, 03:58:19 PM I might be in trouble. Now, I may have over-reacted slightly. It did not actually pre-download the update (which since I had automatically install selected it should have done for something it was ready to install automatically) so maybe it would not have installed without my interaction. But the fact that I was unable to hide the Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro "Optional" update that was pre-selected makes me still think I erred on the proper side of caution in setting WU to notify my but not download and let me choose when to install, as well as uninstalling the KB3035583 and hiding it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2015, 04:09:53 PM I might have overreacted as well, but I've had the weekend from hell and am currently still at work and a wee bit stressed.
I had the usual weirdness you get when your W7 needs a reboot due to pending updates and I shut her down without looking at what they are. I previously removed and hid KB3035583 so hopefully when I turn her on ... I'll be greeted by a familiar face. (http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/archer/images/7/74/VirtualGirlfriend.png/revision/latest?cb=20110405023448) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 13, 2015, 05:46:31 PM I've now updated my home computer as well as my work one to Windows 10 and I must say - it has been the smoothest upgrade of an OS I've ever seen. They may have done some things wrong, but the update to Windows 10 is not wrong at all. My computer even boots up faster now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 13, 2015, 05:51:35 PM Been my experience too. Upgraded the main PC at the office and my home PC. Everything's working smoothly now that everyone has Win10 drivers out there. No Regerts.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2015, 06:05:06 PM "It was better than Cats. I'll watch it again and again."
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on October 13, 2015, 06:08:58 PM Well, you may have saved me. It was set to install Win10 on the next reboot, even though it was listed as an 'optional' update it had automagically checked it (it's already been downloaded for everyone who had opted into the 'optional' update months back).
I will probably do the upgrade in the next month or so, anyway. But something as major as an OS version change should not happen 'silently'. --Dave Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2015, 06:10:28 PM It's the principle. Also today I found out that Diablo III will run on OSX.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 13, 2015, 06:21:11 PM I've now updated my home computer as well as my work one to Windows 10 and I must say - it has been the smoothest upgrade of an OS I've ever seen. They may have done some things wrong, but the update to Windows 10 is not wrong at all. My computer even boots up faster now. I have some hardware (my computer is 8 years old) that doesnt even have win 8 drivers, and since I have Ultimate, some of the features I "own" are no longer available in any version of Win10. I have been using 8.1 at work for over a year and will run 10 when I get around to building a new machine. I just don't like the fact that MS is being underhanded in the way they are pushing this upgrade out. It is obvious that they are using this as s method to drive up their "win 10 adoption" numbers. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 14, 2015, 06:51:23 AM What happened was the "Get Windows 10" icon returned.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Goreschach on October 14, 2015, 09:09:38 AM Those bastards.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Phildo on October 14, 2015, 09:20:12 AM I went to install windows updates on my home machine yesterday and instead of telling me which updates I as missing, it had a big green box that said "Update to Windows 10". You have to skip past it to do any regular patch updates now.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ragnoros on October 14, 2015, 12:40:37 PM Did the upgrade myself today. So far painless.
Best part so far: more SSD space. Windows 7 = 30GB Win 10 = 16Gb Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on October 14, 2015, 01:57:29 PM Ugh you guys are making it hard for me not to upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 15, 2015, 06:39:37 AM Fortunately, I'm full of spite and bile which is great for combating logic and empirical observation.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 15, 2015, 07:15:07 AM Ugh you guys are making it hard for me not to upgrade. Unless your computer just can't handle the memory requirements or you have a particular program that you need to work that somehow doesn't work with Win 10 (like my aforementioned VPN issues), there's really not a reason to hold off on upgrading. It's really a pretty painless process and with the exception of a few little tics, it's just as good as Win 7 only a little faster in my experience. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 15, 2015, 07:18:01 AM It's like watching people resist moving off of Xp for 7 all over again.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 15, 2015, 07:37:48 AM I don't remember underhanded vendor manipulations during that era. Spite and bile!
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Selby on October 15, 2015, 09:48:43 AM It's like watching people resist moving off of Xp for 7 all over again. Some of us still use XP and refuse to move... because our computer hardware is too old...Although I am liking Windows 10 on the new laptop I just got. I'm wondering if I can use it to replace all of my gaming needs and eliminate the 10 year old desktop once and for all. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 15, 2015, 10:08:38 AM I don't remember underhanded vendor manipulations during that era. Spite and bile! You're a macboy now anyway. Nobody cares what you think. :drill: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 15, 2015, 12:18:45 PM Yes, pretty much that in terms of work. Unfortunately, Path of Exile does not appear to have a OSX port.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on October 15, 2015, 01:25:51 PM I'm still "that guy" holding out over privacy concerns and the lack of control over my operating system.
Yeah. Well, it's a comfy rocking chair on a comfy porch. Get yer "it's a service not a purchase" offa my lawn!! Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on October 15, 2015, 02:49:46 PM That privacy concern, I presume, is the latest kerfuffle in Germany over the Trusted Platform 2.0 stuff placed in Windows 8 and beyond. Don't worry, it seem there are plan to put it in Windows 7 too. I also think that its clear to everyone that the aliens have been coordinating with the CIA/PRC axis to leverage the knowledge needed to infiltrate your underwear drawer, so its just too late all around.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 15, 2015, 02:52:54 PM Yeah, there's no avoiding any of that at this point. The only way around it is to buy and use items created prior to 2000.
Hell, your car is going to report you soon enough. Never mind that personal tracking & recording device everyone carries these days. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on October 15, 2015, 04:23:57 PM Microsoft through Windows 10 is basically trying to be Google. It sends as much data about what you are doing on the computer it possibly can by default. Seriously.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 15, 2015, 04:54:48 PM http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/windows-10-upgrade-installing-automatically-on-some-windows-7-8-systems/
And Microsoft says that it being checked by default "was a mistake". Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on October 15, 2015, 04:56:37 PM Good job Microsoft. Now I have to turn off Automatic Updates on all of my Windows boxes.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on October 15, 2015, 05:05:08 PM Guess the age old "apologies are easier than asking permission" applies... :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on October 15, 2015, 09:05:43 PM Ya, we got a note from our main campus Microsoft 'person'. Not officially with MS, but he's such an advocate that he borders on the cultist. Today he berated the whole university IT staff for not immediately upgrading to Windows 10. He honestly tried to shame sys admins across the entire campus into ditching Windows 7 'unless there's a known compatibility' as soon as humanly possible because of 'reasons'.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Pennilenko on October 16, 2015, 06:16:06 AM Seriously, he is right. If you have no legacy compatability issues and you are still refusing upgrade you are just a stubborn grognard.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lantyssa on October 16, 2015, 07:24:12 AM Sometimes you don't know there is a compatibility issue until you upgrade...
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 16, 2015, 07:41:30 AM Seriously, he is right. If you have no legacy compatability issues and you are still refusing upgrade you are just a stubborn grognard. I'm a stubborn grognard and don't trust Microsoft any more than Trojans bearing free gifts. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 16, 2015, 08:06:29 AM Seriously, he is right. If you have no legacy compatability issues and you are still refusing upgrade you are just a stubborn grognard. For personal users, I'd agree with this. For IT level sys admin dudes? Fuck yes, I'd be hesitant to allow an entire network to upgrade without the user's knowledge. The shit that could break organization wide is just goddamn frightening. My sys admin only allowed a few of us to upgrade as guinea pigs. No way he was letting the whole operation just upgrade wily-nily. And he's only dealing with about 50 users or so. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on October 16, 2015, 08:24:27 AM The thing is that while Windows 10 is awesome and everyone should probably upgrade their personal machines, they are spoiling the good will by being annoyingly over aggressive (nag me once a week, not every damn day) and doing amateur shit that makes people lose confidence in them (the optional update that's checked by default).
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on October 16, 2015, 08:34:22 AM Given the amount of fuck stupid patching and security blankets quilted into the network here in my dept at this university, I am still shocked we are on WIN7. WIN10 would break everything in the dept given the amount of bullshit that happens when system administrators release normal WIN7 updates to our computers. It is astounding how long it takes now to get network drives up on my work PC after a restart (hours now).
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on October 16, 2015, 08:44:45 AM MS has never been particularly careful to ensure compatibility with anything other than its own products. Email clients, for example. We use an IMAP unix based system that worked just fine till Outlook 2013. Although still technically having IMAP support, it doesn't allow folder selection for sent mail. You have to use their default folder name or you can't. Naturally, unix based mail has its own named folder for that, and its been this way since at least the 90s, possibly as far back as the 80s, so we're holding most of the staff back from using Office 2013, never mind 2016.
The sad part is that its clearly intentionally done. It wouldn't take much to use the older system where you could direct your sent mail to whatever folder on the server you'd like, but they don't do it, because they want to push everyone onto their exchange platform. Lastly, I don't -like- Windows 10. I use it at work, alternating between it and Linux Mint as my desktop, and I so prefer Windows 7. Stop putting system settings in 2 different places. Either kill the Control Panel or don't, but don't muck it up with a new Settings section that's entirely divorced from it. That said, I don't doubt for a moment that Windows 10 works better with existing hardware, knows how to take advantage of emerging hardware better than Windows 7 will; it is, after all, the leading edge of OS platform development. But don't tell me that the UI is better. Not only is that a somewhat subjective evaluation, I can demonstrate quite quickly that something I can do in 2 steps in Windows 7 takes 4-8 steps in Windows 8-10. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 16, 2015, 08:44:56 AM The thing is that while Windows 10 is awesome and everyone should probably upgrade their personal machines, they are spoiling the good will by being annoyingly over aggressive (nag me once a week, not every damn day) and doing amateur shit that makes people lose confidence in them (the optional update that's checked by default). Or in other words, being Microsoft. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on October 16, 2015, 09:58:14 AM Lastly, I don't -like- Windows 10. I use it at work, alternating between it and Linux Mint as my desktop, and I so prefer Windows 7. Stop putting system settings in 2 different places. Either kill the Control Panel or don't, but don't muck it up with a new Settings section that's entirely divorced from it. That said, I don't doubt for a moment that Windows 10 works better with existing hardware, knows how to take advantage of emerging hardware better than Windows 7 will; it is, after all, the leading edge of OS platform development. But don't tell me that the UI is better. Not only is that a somewhat subjective evaluation, I can demonstrate quite quickly that something I can do in 2 steps in Windows 7 takes 4-8 steps in Windows 8-10. I was wondering if it was just my lack of knowledge of WIN10 and not knowing the shortcuts to stuff. I guess not and it actually does take a fishing expedition to find anything in WIN10 pertaining to control panel stuff. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2015, 11:22:19 AM It really just took an attempt to configure a wireless connection in W10 for me to dislike the whole thing. This was before I became OSXified, so that wasn't a factor.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 16, 2015, 11:33:23 AM Finding the control panel in Win 10 is a goddamn pain in the ass, this is utterly true.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2015, 12:39:17 PM You mean control panels, yes? Plural.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 16, 2015, 01:13:42 PM You mean control panels, yes? Plural. The funny thing is, when the MS sales engineers gave us a presentation of the preview in June, they said all of that would be unified and there would only be one location at the time of general release. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on October 16, 2015, 03:23:00 PM Yeah, and they told me I'd have a OneDrive client worth a fuck by now.
Don't listen to them. Ever. They're a bunch of lying dickbags. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 16, 2015, 03:37:32 PM People forget that sales engineers are salesmen first.
Salesmen do nothing but lie. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on October 16, 2015, 03:48:05 PM Right click the Windows button on the task bar for quick access to the usual shit.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Pennilenko on October 16, 2015, 04:06:01 PM Right click the Windows button on the task bar for quick access to the usual shit. No man, don't make it easy for them.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on October 16, 2015, 04:30:57 PM Cortana will drag out settings for you as well if you ask her, she's fairly clever.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 16, 2015, 08:55:41 PM Right click the Windows button on the task bar for quick access to the usual shit. What in the fuck gives any indication that you can do that? I had never seen that until I read your post. Now I want to cockstab someone at Microsoft. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on October 16, 2015, 09:09:54 PM I thought "when in doubt, Right Click the shit out of everything" had been a fairly standard thing in windows since XP? Context menus and options for stuff has been on right click for ages.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 16, 2015, 09:15:36 PM Right click the Windows button on the task bar for quick access to the usual shit. What in the fuck gives any indication that you can do that? I had never seen that until I read your post. Now I want to cockstab someone at Microsoft. That was what they put in for Win 8.1/Server 2012R2 to make it usable as a desktop OS. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Tannhauser on October 17, 2015, 04:16:10 AM I didn't know about the right-click either. But I'm not a code monkey. Makes me like 10 even better.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Strazos on October 17, 2015, 07:01:07 AM So perhaps a silly question, but how much of my configuration would I lose from upgrading to 10 - is it essentially like an OS wipe? Am I going to lose the other non-Windows 8.1 data on my OS partition?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: disKret on October 17, 2015, 10:08:30 AM So perhaps a silly question, but how much of my configuration would I lose from upgrading to 10 - is it essentially like an OS wipe? Am I going to lose the other non-Windows 8.1 data on my OS partition? You lose nothing. Everything will stay the same except "the look". Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on October 17, 2015, 10:51:47 AM Finally pushed the button on the home game machine. I've had my laptop and work machine on 10 for a while, so I was ok with the process and the newness of it. Upgraded to pristine clean Win10 in around 15 minutes and now my gronky games are actually flying in terms of performance.
I'm a happy chappie right now. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on October 17, 2015, 11:07:18 AM Finally pushed the button on the home game machine. I've had my laptop and work machine on 10 for a while, so I was ok with the process and the newness of it. Upgraded to pristine clean Win10 in around 15 minutes and now my gronky games are actually flying in terms of performance. I'm a happy chappie right now. Well that is it guys, the first seal has been broken. We're all doomed. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on October 17, 2015, 07:27:22 PM So perhaps a silly question, but how much of my configuration would I lose from upgrading to 10 - is it essentially like an OS wipe? Am I going to lose the other non-Windows 8.1 data on my OS partition? You lose nothing. Everything will stay the same except "the look". Yea, I went from 7 to 10 and it kept everything as I left it, the only difference was the actual 'style' to the task bar and stuff. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 18, 2015, 06:45:40 AM Why are they doing this rollout this way? Where's the $$$ coming from in this deal?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Hawkbit on October 18, 2015, 07:12:25 AM My #1 annoyance is that sticky corners between multiple monitors can't be disabled. If anyone knows of a fix, please let me know.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: RhyssaFireheart on October 18, 2015, 07:15:21 AM Anyone know off-hand if Photoshop CS5 (or rather, the whole creative suite) works fine on 10? I'd rather not find out after the fact that it doesn't. I think that's the only thing I'm running regularly that I'd have a question about. Other than maybe iTunes.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on October 18, 2015, 07:50:22 AM Anyone know off-hand if Photoshop CS5 (or rather, the whole creative suite) works fine on 10? I'd rather not find out after the fact that it doesn't. I think that's the only thing I'm running regularly that I'd have a question about. Other than maybe iTunes. Photoshop, Illustrator and Lightroom all work perfectly. I've had some issues with Bridge but I don't think many people use that any more. iTunes also works fine according to my wife. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on October 18, 2015, 08:13:49 AM Why are they doing this rollout this way? Where's the $$$ coming from in this deal? DLC. They barebones'd a lot of regular WIN10 so everything costs extra to have any functionality. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 18, 2015, 10:52:47 AM I'm not using Photoshop CS5, I'm on the latest version of the Creative Cloud thing, CC2015. But it works fine. I don't see why CS5 wouldn't work if it already worked on Win 7.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 18, 2015, 11:40:35 AM I'm not using Photoshop CS5, I'm on the latest version of the Creative Cloud thing, CC2015. But it works fine. I don't see why CS5 wouldn't work if it already worked on Win 7. Don't be so quick to say that. Adobe creative suites are notoriously bad about being forward compatible. Since CS5 stopped being available before Windows 8 was released, it is entirely likely that something won't function properly. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on October 18, 2015, 11:47:00 AM Why are they doing this rollout this way? Where's the $$$ coming from in this deal? Apparently, almost no one bothers to upgrade their old computers anyway. Almost all sales revenue comes from the licenses attached to new machines. As I understand it, they are losing very little by giving away the upgrade but still selling new Home/Pro packages. And it seems they are going to (once again) show their powers of innovation by copying Google -- Win10 is set to be adware/spyware. They are at the moment testing pushing ads on Windows Insider, and they are openly mining sale-able information from all Win10 machines right now. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fordel on October 18, 2015, 02:06:22 PM I'm positive it's almost entirely to avoid another XP situation, worth it for them to miss out on whatever upgrade revenue might generate to just have their user-base on a OS that isn't old enough to drink.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 19, 2015, 05:52:14 AM Sounds like the CPU/RAM performance will go up but my network bandwidth will suffer from all my personal info being stolen and advertisements supplanting it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Viin on October 19, 2015, 08:59:04 AM I tried to upgrade to 10 from 7 but got a random unknown failure. I think it has to do with the fact that I've moved my Users folder to another partition (another drive, actually). And now I can't get into Recovery Mode to move it back ... hmm.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 19, 2015, 09:10:50 AM I tried to upgrade to 10 from 7 but got a random unknown failure. I think it has to do with the fact that I've moved my Users folder to another partition (another drive, actually). And now I can't get into Recovery Mode to move it back ... hmm. In place upgrades pretty much always freak out when things are not in their default places. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Viin on October 19, 2015, 09:23:17 AM Yeah and I was planning on doing a clean install anyways - but as far as I can tell, I have to upgrade my 7 to 10 before I can do a clean install - which means I now have to undo random registry hacks etc. Blah.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: shiznitz on October 19, 2015, 11:26:11 AM Finally pushed the button on the home game machine. I've had my laptop and work machine on 10 for a while, so I was ok with the process and the newness of it. Upgraded to pristine clean Win10 in around 15 minutes and now my gronky games are actually flying in terms of performance. I'm a happy chappie right now. I jumped off this bridge this weekend as well. Easy and I like how my machine is running. No issues with any of my games/programs. Then I did it to my son's Win 8 laptop. Hallelujah what a nice change. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 19, 2015, 11:29:12 AM Viin reminds me I need to see if I can remember any junctions I put in place. I'm sure there is at least one.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 22, 2015, 05:44:27 AM I just have one junction that I put in place, moving the burn-temp folder to a larger drive. I think all that is left is spite and bile.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 22, 2015, 10:13:08 AM Upgraded the gaming rig and the network settings are jacked up. My gateway is not the lowest IP on my LAN. I managed to add the correct gateway but I need to do something fancy to remove the bad one. Sheesh. Diablo 3 had better fly like an eagle after this.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ragnoros on October 28, 2015, 10:13:52 AM Found my first fun Windows 10 / AMD bug. My TV is hooked up to a Gaming/HTPC over HDMI with a R200 series card and anytime you turn the TV off or it goes into sleep mode the PC apparently forgets that sound is supposed to be being sent over HDMI and you have to go into device manager and disable/enable the Audio Device or restart. Apparently it's been a known Windows/AMD bug for a while.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on November 02, 2015, 03:13:59 PM Microsoft through Windows 10 is basically trying to be Google. It sends as much data about what you are doing on the computer it possibly can by default. Seriously. And can not be completed turned off. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/)Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Severian on November 07, 2015, 08:53:53 AM And can not be completed turned off. Thus third-party solutions: Spybot Anti-Beacon (https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Viin on December 29, 2015, 02:26:59 PM For those of you who were waiting to install Windows 10 with a clean install, you are now in luck! The Windows 10 install process now accepts Windows 7 and 8 keys for a clean install from the get-go.
(The mysterious disappearance of my moved-but-hardlinked Users folder prompted me to do a clean install that wiped out my Win7 install, just took several tries to download Windows 10 onto a bootable USB for a brand new install). Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: brellium on December 29, 2015, 03:29:51 PM And can not be completed turned off. Thus third-party solutions: Spybot Anti-Beacon (https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Phildo on December 29, 2015, 08:54:15 PM Well, Spybot does make edits to the Hosts file...
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on January 21, 2016, 07:39:00 AM The 10 phoning home things runs directly against our confidentiality policies. And the auto-updating runs directly against a public computing setting with disk protection software (MS had bought the Gates Foundation tool, improved it to be actually really awesome, then killed it). So I've been avoiding 10 like the plague, but the new nagware strategy is getting to be a huge hindrance. I've had to add a whole process to my install procedure just to get around MS's nagware (and part of it is I can't let the computers update at night, since one of the updates installs the nagware...which seems super shady to me).
But really, it doesn't hold a candle to how badly they're mishandling the Office OEM situation. Luckily as a non-profit I have a channel for low-volume VLKs, but this ended up being $600 down the drain for the library. Short story: DO NOT buy Dell OEM licenses, they're all most likely stolen by a piracy ring. Snippet of an example post from the MS 'help' forum: Quote Title: Install Office 2016 OEM without Live account Reply: I manage IT services for several small businesses and periodically need to purchase new computers with Office. I just purchased a new Dell laptop with the OEM version of Office 2016 Home & Business. It will not let me activate it without adding it to a MS account. I know this is a perennial question, beginning with Office 2013, that is a major headache for independent technical consultants that support small businesses, as I do. But I have never seen a solid answer as to how to get this installed on the computer without the MS account--just a lot of try this, try that. This is NOT Office 365, just Office H & B 2016! I will not: Add it to my MS account, or it will be forever stuck to me--which is inappropriate, since I will not own the computer or software once I am paid for the system by my client. Make my client set up a MS account just for this. Pry into my client's information to get his MS account information (if he even has one). But I must have Office installed, activated, and updated before I give the system to my client. The activation dialog, in fact, gives me the option of using a product key instead of a login, but then proceeds to "Redeem Online"--which I believe will end up with the same result that requires a MS account. At this point, I now have a bigger issue. I backed up the Program Data folder that contains the cached Office installation files, then uninstalled MS Office, hoping that a reinstall would give me some option to truly install without being forced to figure out a MS account for my client. The uninstallation removed the original setup folders. Good thing I backed it up, but then when I reinstall from any of those, it installs Office 2013, not Office 2016. And while it still validates the key when I click the option to use a key instead of a logon, it (as before) takes me to "Redeem Online". Hello, Microsoft: this issue alone has just eliminated my entire profit from this project, given the time I have already spent trying to get this done, then uninstalling and attempting to reinstall. I know there are versions that can be activated without a MS account, but I do not buy in bulk and can never seem to figure out which is which. How do I get this installed for my client without being required to use a MS account? Your post is GOLD I had my first experience with 2016 last night when configuring a new PC for a client. Had to reinstall Win7 and then needed to install 2016. Like you I don't want it on my account, I don't want to create a new account everytime I Build/sell a box. I don't want to force this on the client or do it on his behalf. Parts of Sydney even still get 3Mbs internet, how long to I sit on site whilst that download happens! I have now also chewed up all the (little) profit I would have made on this box. MICROSOFT LISTEN - thousands of us service small businesses who don't want to deal with you. They want us to hand them a WORKING solution. They want it delivered,installed, loaded, activated, unpacked, switched on, updated and a waiting LOCAL login screen They want it to work when they have no internet, They know you offer no support to them so they want us to wade through the ambiguous and overburdened search results to fix their problems. They don't want Microsoft accounts, they don't want Microsoft even knowing their name. They don't want their Start menu to disappear, and in fact they don't want any change. The PC is a TOOL they use to do their business and re-tooling is disruptive. Until now we to have had good businesses supplying this service to clients. MICROSOFT UNDERSTAND these clients are the engineer with 3 staff, the small motel with 2 PCs, the Financial Adviser alone on a laptop. We are their lifeline when they cannot work and its usually because you changed something. You are now removing OUR tools and our ability to run our businesses efficiently. You have forced us to re-train ourselves at a pace which saps our resources, downtime and sleep. If we stop, you won't have a business either. MICROSOFT WORK WITH US!!! ....... the techs who sell your products with no profit Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on January 21, 2016, 07:48:24 AM His lasat bit is shouting into the dark.
The entire Software Industry has bought-in to the idea of always-on connections and phoning-home with information. There's a huge market space for companies that avoid these processes opening but nobody's jumping on it. Nobody's got the time, gumption, or money to compete against "big software." Those that even show an inkling get so many dollar-signs thrown at them that they can't say no to being bought-out. As a business owner you must accept it or learn *nux so you can manage things on your own. We know the latter isn't going to be a thing. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on January 21, 2016, 08:09:22 AM Microsoft have it fucked both ways though. The amount of problems that 365 chaps have trying to get Live Accounts to co-exist is amazing. I mean, these are things on the same place at the same company and are just not joined up in any way shape or form. Even worse when the whole of Azure for Live is separate for the whole of Azure for 365.
And then you get to OneDrive. Don't. Even. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on January 21, 2016, 08:39:59 AM But but Azure-AD and federation will magically fix things!
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on January 21, 2016, 08:51:09 AM Oddly, they do fix most things; But that's NOT an option that any non-business will ever, ever, ever look at. It also doesn't fundamentally fix the Live Vs OnMicrosoft issue because, well, they're separate AD's unless you work to bring them together and, even then, well fuck that.
(Azure AD is really nice btw. But it doesn't fix everything.) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on January 21, 2016, 08:54:46 AM The entire Software Industry has bought-in to the idea of always-on connections and phoning-home with information. Setting aside the digital divide issue, the ET phone home working directly against our mission (which is NYS law) means I may have to sit down with an attorney to discuss whether I can even install Windows 10 on a public computer. It's sad that the kids today don't even consider privacy issues anymore, but there are legal issues on the table. And honestly, it's cool to work someplace where that's the case. Also, it's the law.Quote NEW YORK STATE CIVIL PRACTICE LAW & RULES 4508, CHAPTER 112, LAWS OF 1988 Library records, which contain names or other personally identifying details regarding the users of public, free association, school, college and university libraries and library systems of this state, including but not limited to records relating to the circulation of library materials, computer database searches, interlibrary loan transactions, reference queries, requests for photocopies of library materials, title reserve requests, or the use of audio-visual materials, films or records, shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed except that such records may be disclosed to the extent necessary for the proper operation of the library and shall be disclosed upon request or consent of the user or pursuant to subpoena, court order or where otherwise required by statute. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on January 21, 2016, 09:17:32 AM Sky, if you update your machines through WSUS the nag updates and the upgrade itself are not pushed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on January 21, 2016, 10:27:16 AM The entire Software Industry has bought-in to the idea of always-on connections and phoning-home with information. Setting aside the digital divide issue, the ET phone home working directly against our mission (which is NYS law) means I may have to sit down with an attorney to discuss whether I can even install Windows 10 on a public computer. It's sad that the kids today don't even consider privacy issues anymore, but there are legal issues on the table. And honestly, it's cool to work someplace where that's the case. Also, it's the law.I get that, totally. However the industry has decided two things. 1) The potential the loss of your dollars because you have to drop the platform is a worthwhile trade-off vs. the amount of revenue they can make. Either by selling off your information or by being sure everyone is compliant. 2) That compliance isn't their problem. You're the guy that has the liability exposure, they made the info public. What's that, another library didn't have someone like you to catch this? Too bad. Same thing with games and always-on high speed requirements. The very tone-deaf answer is, "well pay up and join the big boys table it's the 21st century." I don't agree with it, but that IS the sentiment. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on January 21, 2016, 11:40:19 AM Sky, if you update your machines through WSUS the nag updates and the upgrade itself are not pushed. Yeah, looks like I finally have to get that set up. Also need to start with group policies. The nice thing about the Gates tool is that it (and the MS version, Steady State) obviated the need for me to learn and dick with that stuff. I like simple, I've got enough shit on my plate. So back to the point about MS costing the library more by way of my time (which could be better spent implementing new technology rather than just, you know, making something work like it did before they changed it).Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on January 21, 2016, 11:50:16 AM While we're bitching about stuff related to Win8/10, can someone explain to me why UEFI was such a grand idea? I know, there's this whole secured boot sector thing, which allegedly protected us from the Red Army or Aliens, but was it that needed in practice, for the average user?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on January 21, 2016, 12:22:57 PM While we're bitching about stuff related to Win8/10, can someone explain to me why UEFI was such a grand idea? I know, there's this whole secured boot sector thing, which allegedly protected us from the Red Army or Aliens, but was it that needed in practice, for the average user? I got the impression it was for anti-piracy somehow. Or to prevent people from running OSes which aren't sold by one of the cabal members. Something like that. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on January 21, 2016, 03:15:52 PM While we're bitching about stuff related to Win8/10, can someone explain to me why UEFI was such a grand idea? I know, there's this whole secured boot sector thing, which allegedly protected us from the Red Army or Aliens, but was it that needed in practice, for the average user? It adds a really great place for persistent spyware (http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/lenovo-pcs-and-laptops-seem-to-have-a-bios-level-backdoor.html) and rootkits (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2948092/security/hacking-teams-malware-uses-uefi-rootkit-to-survive-os-reinstalls.html) that exist independently of the operating system. It can still be used for invasive DRM, though, that prevents the owner of hardware from running what they want. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on January 21, 2016, 03:34:16 PM Ok, so I'm not crazy. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on January 21, 2016, 04:34:57 PM UEFI does have some important features that allow modern CPU/Memory/Disk to be utilized fully that the 40 year old BIOS architecture was just not capable of handling. But, like everything these days, you have to take the good with the (lots of) bad.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on January 22, 2016, 05:55:41 AM UEFI... the Congressional Omnibus of hardware?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Quinton on January 25, 2016, 08:29:25 PM Well, UEFI does not imply Secure Boot and Secure Boot does not imply DRM and lockdown. And regardless, DRM can't prevent you from playing content or running software that is not DRM encrusted (and since DRM inevitably fails to prevent piracy by actual pirates, even content that is only delivered so encrusted doesn't stay that way for log). I'm sure there are companies and governments that dream of computers that only play blessed content, but in a free market that kind of shit just doesn't survive (remember DIVX, the self-destructing DVD-alike format? exactly).
Secure Boot and Trusted Computing is actually useful stuff -- providing a mechanism for the system to detect tampering, if implemented well (sadly this is not always the case) -- allows for protection from a lot of attack vectors. Honestly the thing that I think is the scariest feature of modern Intel CPUs is the "Management Engine" (and the AMD equivalent) -- a smaller core that runs opaque, closed firmware, which has complete access to all the hardware in the system, including the network interface. I predict that thing is going to be a treasure trove of persistent and remote exploits as people unravel it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on January 26, 2016, 08:06:46 AM I think if I were to try to gain control of a system, the Management Engine would be a great place to enter.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on January 26, 2016, 07:55:28 PM I think if I were to try to gain control of a system, the Management Engine would be a great place to enter. There were already published reports in late 2013 about persistent malware at that level. It's pretty much a guarantee that there are "state level" exploit kits that use it as well--it's just too useful for that, much like UEFI. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Goreschach on January 31, 2016, 01:58:54 PM Finally got around to installing this after a motherboard died. DPI scaling is a fucking mess now, apparently because Microsoft is still under the delusion that people will someday want to use windows on a handheld. I shouldn't have to use regedit just to make everything be not-blurry.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Jeff Kelly on February 02, 2016, 10:29:14 AM The bigger issue is that it is still buggy when the resolution changes. I use my laptop for gaming. Both on the integrated display and to output video to a TV.
The UI and the DPI scaling is always completely fucked after several resolution changes. Additionally the task bar vanishes because if you switch from a higher to a lower res and back the task bar is technically "off screen" and won't reappear until you kill the explorer process. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on March 14, 2016, 02:28:19 PM Windows 10 auto-install update changed from Recommended to Important, may cause your system to install Windows 10 depending on your update settings.
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4a0asv/warning_windows_7_computers_are_being_reported_as/ Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on March 15, 2016, 06:35:04 AM What a bunch of dirtbags. Actively pissing off your customer base is awesome. At least I've got mostly macs for the staff, I guess updating the public computers just got a whole lot more shitty. Not to mention the flood of people who will be coming to the library because of this. (We run OSX server, so no domain for the staff windows and I know a few people will mess theirs up).
I take small consolation in the marketing genius who thought a national tv ad showing off bugs on Windows 10 was a good idea. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on March 15, 2016, 01:01:05 PM it's so utterly retarded. If they pulled this shit on Windows 8 then whatever, everyone considered that a pretty terrible OS.
But Windows 10 is actually good and it's dumb they are shooting themselves in the foot over it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on March 15, 2016, 02:09:56 PM Yeah. That's all I have to say about that.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on March 16, 2016, 10:04:50 AM I have to wonder about the motive. Is it that they're trying to minimize having to provide updates for Windows 7, are they trying to ferret out pirated Windows 7 copies, is there a secret NSA backdoor so that the aliens can riffle through our pron?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on March 16, 2016, 11:10:20 AM Those are all likely.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on March 17, 2016, 05:36:07 AM The aliens are going to be there a good long while.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on March 17, 2016, 07:39:11 AM The aliens are going to be there a good long while. (http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000025690490-ndm6qo-original.jpg?30a2558)Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ginaz on March 27, 2016, 10:26:50 PM So, against my advice, my mother decided to "upgrade" to Windows 10 because she was tired of getting a pop up message asking to do so every time she turned on the computer. Predictably, her laptop is now fucked because Windows 10 somehow screwed with the wifi and now she can't connect to the internet. It's a known issue, apparently, with older wifi hardware/software and I wasn't able to fix it. So now I have to take it somewhere and hopefully get it fixed. Eat my ass, Microsoft.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on March 28, 2016, 08:12:59 AM Things I see every day at the library.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on March 28, 2016, 11:27:56 AM So, against my advice, my mother decided to "upgrade" to Windows 10 because she was tired of getting a pop up message asking to do so every time she turned on the computer. Predictably, her laptop is now fucked because Windows 10 somehow screwed with the wifi and now she can't connect to the internet. It's a known issue, apparently, with older wifi hardware/software and I wasn't able to fix it. So now I have to take it somewhere and hopefully get it fixed. Eat my ass, Microsoft. Is there not a rollback option? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: brellium on March 28, 2016, 08:41:50 PM So, against my advice, my mother decided to "upgrade" to Windows 10 because she was tired of getting a pop up message asking to do so every time she turned on the computer. Predictably, her laptop is now fucked because Windows 10 somehow screwed with the wifi and now she can't connect to the internet. It's a known issue, apparently, with older wifi hardware/software and I wasn't able to fix it. So now I have to take it somewhere and hopefully get it fixed. Eat my ass, Microsoft. Is there not a rollback option? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ginaz on March 28, 2016, 10:32:54 PM So, against my advice, my mother decided to "upgrade" to Windows 10 because she was tired of getting a pop up message asking to do so every time she turned on the computer. Predictably, her laptop is now fucked because Windows 10 somehow screwed with the wifi and now she can't connect to the internet. It's a known issue, apparently, with older wifi hardware/software and I wasn't able to fix it. So now I have to take it somewhere and hopefully get it fixed. Eat my ass, Microsoft. Is there not a rollback option? Yeah, I tried to roll it back but there was nothing there. There was no previous back up available even though I know there was one because the laptop was mine before I gave it to my parents. It just pisses me off because she only uses it for email and to play Facebook games for maybe an hour a day at most. It's often the only bit of time she gets to herself because she has to look after my father who is stuck in bed all day with ALS. She doesn't have time to screw around and try and fix it or take it somewhere to be fixed, which is why I'm doing it. She's an old woman who can barely use the mouse or turn the laptop on so when she saw a message like "upgrade now before it's too late!!!" she thought she needed to do it. It's annoying for me to click on the pop up to dismiss the message every time I turn my computer on but for people like her that don't know any better (even though I told her not to upgrade) it pisses me off that Microsoft pushes that shit on people. I'll fucking upgrade when I want to, stop spamming every time I turn on the computer and stop making it a default update that I have to manually uncheck. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ironwood on March 29, 2016, 04:47:57 AM Yeah. That's all I have to say about that. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sir T on March 29, 2016, 06:22:58 AM I'll fucking upgrade when I want to, stop spamming every time I turn on the computer and stop making it a default update that I have to manually uncheck. Try this http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ Select GWX Control Panel - Allow you to turn off the annoying Win10 upgrade, delete the downloaded files, etc. Allows you to turn it all back on whenever you decide to make the jump. Done it on my Laptop that only has 4 gigs of RAM so I imagine W 10 would be a bit tight in there. Pretty much at the point of doing it on my gaming rig becasue I really really dont want to upgrade. Anyone want to try and persuade me to? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on March 29, 2016, 06:23:51 AM Things I see every day at the library. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on March 29, 2016, 06:34:24 AM Too be less Scottish-snarky (just found out I'm half scot on Sunday, looks like mom got Ancestry).
I've been running W10 on one laptop here that is minimal impact and it's fine. For the most part my interaction with it has been fine. It seems like a decent OS. Hopefully in SP1 :why_so_serious: they fully bake the control panel so it's both the new UI and fully functional (vs half the old panel, which is a good thing because they've obscured a lot in the new UI panels). But holy shit do people hate Windows 10 with a fervor I haven't seen since I get why they're pushing it, the very people who are most screwed by it are the ones who need to upgrade the most. But it does show a certain disconnect from reality, similar to the assumption that everyone has broadband, or even Internet connectivity at all. Which is incorrect, given the poverty and ignorance in this country. 'Merca. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on March 29, 2016, 09:47:21 AM It hoses the recovery partition on laptops, purposefully. Learn something new and awesome about Windows 10 everyday! My own adventures in "upgrading" have gone from absolutely smooth to absolutely not smooth across the range of my admittedly quirky collection of machinery. ...And I get that annoying popup as I am typing this very message. Thank you Microsoft, but every time I attempt to upgrade this micro-PC it fails on final boot thank you very much. Problem is that the "fix" (maybe) is to remove all external devices (including even inserted SD cards) while installing. Of course, to a micro-PC *everything* is an external device, plus without the SD card I don't have the memory storage to hold the downloaded upgrade plus operating system plus temporary files... :argh: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on April 14, 2016, 09:57:34 AM Installed W10 fresh, which is annoying, but so far less annoying than the frequent hangs and assorted jackassery. Fresh installs of various crust-covered utilities (Firefox) will probably also be a good move. Need to figure out where the sleep controls are, since I seem to be the last bastard on earth using a tower.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on April 14, 2016, 10:16:56 AM I did a fresh install of W10 pro a while back and I've had basically 0 problems outside of its dogged insistence on rebooting my computer for updates when I don't want it to.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on April 14, 2016, 12:50:22 PM I was offered to choose either Home or Pro and without any research whatsoever I chose Pro.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on April 14, 2016, 04:20:44 PM Wasn't a promised feature of some Windows release or another an end to the ceaseless rebooting?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: eldaec on April 15, 2016, 05:41:39 AM I don't know whether MS promised that, but I think I waa lied to in this thread about it at some point.
But I doubt MS promised it. Rebooting is what windows is for. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on April 15, 2016, 06:08:43 AM I don't know whether MS promised that, but I think I waa lied to in this thread about it at some point. But I doubt MS promised it. Rebooting is what windows is for. To that end, the computer industry as a whole is unknown for turning it off and turning it back on again. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on June 01, 2016, 08:02:07 AM Had a weird one today. User was on our wifi and I reset the password (we change it monthly and I was 15 minutes late today!). Now she can't connect, getting a 'Can't connect to network' error (windows 10, obviously since I'm in this thread!).
Tried a slew of basic shit, nothing working, everyone else is connected just fine. Had to send her away pissed at the library, I really hate that. The upside to my job is making everything work for people so they can just focus on their tasks (in her case, getting her nursing degree online in peace and quiet away from her kids). She had to take the week off for school work and now she can't work here. Now, there is some slight chance she messed with some setting before she asked for help. But I have a suspicion about it being W10 fuckery at work, since everything looked right to me. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: rattran on June 01, 2016, 08:14:15 AM Had that happen with the wife's laptop, telling it to 'forget' network and then reconnecting it worked. It just defaulted to the stored password and failed each time until then.
So I suspect user fuckery. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Selby on June 01, 2016, 08:32:24 AM Had that happen with the wife's laptop, telling it to 'forget' network and then reconnecting it worked. It just defaulted to the stored password and failed each time until then. Same here. Laptop will usually have issues with the wifi, forgetting & retrying 2-3 times usually fixes it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on June 01, 2016, 08:54:18 AM My gf's laptop started acting like this a few months ago. It would connect to the university wifi just fine then all the sudden it would disconnect and not reconnect. A month after that, it started doing it at home, 10ft from the router with clear line of sight. I checked it, tried the forget/reconnect, tried airplane mode, tried a full driver uninstall... finally she sent it back to HP. We just got it back so we'll see...
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on June 01, 2016, 09:11:18 AM Had that happen with the wife's laptop, telling it to 'forget' network and then reconnecting it worked. It just defaulted to the stored password and failed each time until then. No, that's a usual scenario. I have to show a slew of people how to do this every month. I don't even consider that troubleshooting :)Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on June 01, 2016, 09:21:31 AM So you forgot the network and it didn't work? I assume you tried an ipconfig /release /renew as well.
That's what the Win10 Surfaces all needed me to do when last I encountered this error. Forget the network, try reconnecting, then to a /release. Fucker should have forgotten the Ip after the network but it didn't. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on June 01, 2016, 10:16:56 AM Sounds like the old "cached networks" issue from Vista/7.
Need to Merge/delete networks in those cases to fix the issue. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on June 01, 2016, 11:10:17 AM Sounds like the old "cached networks" issue from Vista/7. Grumble grumble; probably, should've thought of it.Need to Merge/delete networks in those cases to fix the issue. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on July 15, 2016, 05:52:50 PM Quick question: Planning on a fresh install of Win 10 on the new PC i just got.
If I create a Win 10 install USB using their Installer Creation Tool thing, and install it fresh on the new machine, will I still be able to activate it using my current Win 7 key? Or would I have to jump through stupid hoops like installing Win 7 on it first, and then "upgrading" over that to Win 10? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 15, 2016, 05:59:19 PM Quick question: Planning on a fresh install of Win 10 on the new PC i just got. If I create a Win 10 install USB using their Installer Creation Tool thing, and install it fresh on the new machine, will I still be able to activate it using my current Win 7 key? Or would I have to jump through stupid hoops like installing Win 7 on it first, and then "upgrading" over that to Win 10? You might not be able to use your old key on new hardware as Windows licenses are not portable. Your mileage may vary, of course. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on July 15, 2016, 06:21:33 PM Damn. I was hoping to be able to migrate the licence from the Old pc to the new one, as the old one will nolonger be in use once the new one is up and running.
Hmm, according to this article (http://www.howtogeek.com/226510/how-to-use-your-free-windows-10-license-after-changing-your-pc%E2%80%99s-hardware/) I might be able to get it activated through their service department as I have a Retail copy of 7 Pro, and should be able to get the old PC "removed" from the licence so it can be added to the new one. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on July 15, 2016, 07:11:50 PM Damn. I was hoping to be able to migrate the licence from the Old pc to the new one, as the old one will nolonger be in use once the new one is up and running. Hmm, according to this article (http://www.howtogeek.com/226510/how-to-use-your-free-windows-10-license-after-changing-your-pc%E2%80%99s-hardware/) I might be able to get it activated through their service department as I have a Retail copy of 7 Pro, and should be able to get the old PC "removed" from the licence so it can be added to the new one. Pretty much every time I've migrated a license I've had to make that call. They good news is that it was relatively quick and painless. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 15, 2016, 08:32:17 PM Told the old lady we should upgrade her old laptop, but make sure she finds her key before she does anything. Next thing I know I see her laptop on the end table running the upgrade.
It's a Dell refurb, no idea where the key is, or if she got one with it. I'd have her shell out for a key, but the idea was to upgrade it this year, hate to blow a c-note on a crappy old doorstop. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Venkman on July 16, 2016, 08:27:47 AM I don't think you need the key to upgrade. Or at least, I didn't.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 16, 2016, 08:48:54 AM Hmm. Now that you mention it, I made an assumption based on my install...which I did clean on a new drive.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on July 16, 2016, 10:49:06 PM Well, pleased to say that my new PC is now up and running on Win 10, and the OS claims it has been properly activated, so looks like i am good.
Now, to spend the next few days transferring shit from the old pc to the new one, and re-installing shitloads of things that probably need updating. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Azazel on July 18, 2016, 06:02:40 AM So at this point - is it worthwhile changing from Win7 to XP?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: rattran on July 18, 2016, 07:26:48 AM Only if you're completely mad.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 18, 2016, 07:29:32 AM GUIs are for pussies.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on July 18, 2016, 11:00:45 AM So at this point - is it worthwhile changing from Win7 to XP? Downgrading from 7 to XP? Or did you mean going up from 7 to 10?Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 18, 2016, 11:06:25 AM I decided to go for the upgrade from 7 to 10 and so far everything seems to be running fine. I didn't let it do the express install though and selected the options I wanted, which means I haven't had any problems with still using FF and Chrome and haven't even opened Edge yet. I did have to completely uninstall my Avast AV though, otherwise I kept getting an error message.
I'm just happy that Photoshop is still working. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Azazel on July 18, 2016, 01:45:18 PM So at this point - is it worthwhile changing from Win7 to XP? Downgrading from 7 to XP? Or did you mean going up from 7 to 10?Whoops - yes. 7 to 10. Derp. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on July 19, 2016, 09:52:29 PM So, any suggestions on a good music player app for win 10? Before I go slapping my ages old version of Winamp on it, is there anything slightly more modern out there I should take a look at? Same goes with video. Just stick with the oldies, or is there anything new?
Which reminds me, am i going to need to hunt up a good codec pack for all of my old anime eps, or does win 10 come with most of the codecs and stuff already bundled in? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Viin on July 19, 2016, 11:02:43 PM Winamp? What is this, 2002?
Spotify all the way baby. (No idea on video stuff, sorry!) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 19, 2016, 11:45:16 PM If you have to have something not Windows media player, use VLC.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Pennilenko on July 20, 2016, 03:30:04 AM If you have to have something not Windows media player, use VLC. This.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mosesandstick on July 20, 2016, 02:01:25 PM Do you want something that just plays music, or something that sorts and organises a library as well? I use foobar and it's worked well for me.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Azazel on July 21, 2016, 08:37:13 PM Winamp? What is this, 2002? Spotify all the way baby. (No idea on video stuff, sorry!) Winamp seems a better choice for a music player. https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/21/spotify-is-now-selling-your-information-to-advertisers/ Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on July 21, 2016, 10:27:38 PM Video - MPCHC. I switched from VLC a whil ago because VLC was giving very choppy playback over the LAN. MPCHC has so far worked flawlessly with every single file type and size I've thrown at it.
Music - Similarly, I was having issues with WMP and/or VLC and gave MusicBee a try. Been using it ever since. It's not perfect but it's pretty close for me. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Viin on July 21, 2016, 10:45:17 PM Winamp seems a better choice for a music player. https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/21/spotify-is-now-selling-your-information-to-advertisers/ No different than Pandora and all those other free offerings (I pay for premium though, no ads for me!). Surprise? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 22, 2016, 09:44:43 AM If it has an account login then they're selling your information. This may be one of the only sites left that isn't selling it in some fashion.
Store accounts, social media, even your paid cable account. They're selling that data because there's a shit-ton of money in it as traditional advertising venues die. All that magazine, newspaper and other dead-tree revenue went straight into direct-buying data. You can accept this and that there's a whole shadow profile about you built in many marketing databases or you can go dark. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on July 22, 2016, 12:08:29 PM I might be unusual in that I appreciate advertisements targeted to my wants and needs. Assuming I'm going to deal with advertisement anyway, which I am because I live in America.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Raph on July 22, 2016, 12:18:39 PM Windows 7 on my machine is now putting a little alert icon on the upgrade button saying "Oh no, we're sorry but you CAN'T upgrade because your PC isn't compatible." Nothing, of course, has changed. But when I click the report to find out why, it says "oh, you're fine, upgrade now!"
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 22, 2016, 12:55:19 PM I might be unusual in that I appreciate advertisements targeted to my wants and needs. Assuming I'm going to deal with advertisement anyway, which I am because I live in America. I feel the same way, but didn't seem like it was worth mentioning against the, "OMG THEY"RE SELLING MY INFO" concern. I'm happier getting ads targeted to my geeky, netflix-watching, candy-loving, Toyota-driving, metal-listening self than I am ads targeted to, "42 year old white male, married with kids... here's ads for Viagra, that new Rom-Com your wife's demo will like, and khakis on sale at Sears." Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 22, 2016, 09:47:29 PM FUKKIN KHAKIS ON SALE AT SEARS!?!
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: schild on July 23, 2016, 12:28:10 AM I've been on Windows 10 for months now. At this point I'm confused by how much people give a shit. It seems to be every bit as good as 7.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2016, 04:56:52 AM Change is evil
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on July 23, 2016, 07:30:59 AM What Merusk said. Moving around UI bits for the sake of moving them around annoys me to no end. I still haven't
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: WayAbvPar on July 23, 2016, 11:25:13 AM I haven't made the leap yet, but I guess I will upgrade. Headed out of town Monday morning, so maybe I will kick off the upgrade before I leave so I can pick up the pieces when I come home :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Azazel on July 23, 2016, 04:32:56 PM I might be unusual in that I appreciate advertisements targeted to my wants and needs. Assuming I'm going to deal with advertisement anyway, which I am because I live in America. I feel the same way, but didn't seem like it was worth mentioning against the, "OMG THEY"RE SELLING MY INFO" concern. I'm happier getting ads targeted to my geeky, netflix-watching, candy-loving, Toyota-driving, metal-listening self than I am ads targeted to, "42 year old white male, married with kids... here's ads for Viagra, that new Rom-Com your wife's demo will like, and khakis on sale at Sears." You assclowns can have your collective overblown idiot reaction to my post, but the simple fact is for a simple music player, Winamp works just fine. Of course there are targeted ads and user demographics bought and sold, then again -If you want to spread your personal info wider than it already is, then go right ahead. Post your email address on reddit and the chans. That should help you get some more useful ads because 'murica! :oh_i_see: I appreciate an adblocker on my browser and slightly fewer unwanted or untargeted advertisements over more of them, so I'll continue to use the "2002" music player that still works just fine and does what I need, thankyaverymuch Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on July 23, 2016, 06:53:17 PM wheee lol
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on July 24, 2016, 05:33:49 PM I don't really have any problems with Win10 so far. As for all of the "telemetry" stuff that has been patched into Win7 I think.
Also Europe is apparently opening a can on Microsoft over it so we'll get to see exactly what they take and how they use I think. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on July 24, 2016, 08:38:49 PM I don't really have any problems with Win10 so far. As for all of the "telemetry" stuff that has been patched into Win7 I think. Also Europe is apparently opening a can on Microsoft over it so we'll get to see exactly what they take and how they use I think. A lot of the telemetry has been patched into Win7 (and later) but so far it's been delivered as non-critical (optional) upgrades, and is capable of being disabled. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 24, 2016, 09:00:36 PM What Merusk said. Moving around UI bits for the sake of moving them around annoys me to no end. I still haven't It's just the way it is. Be the rock in the river and let it flow around you.The thing I tell people at work is, "This new interface you hate will be the one you wish you were still using when you get the next version in a couple years." It's completely true. Only gripe I have about W10 is the DVD/BR thing. And that only because I lost my installer for whatever I was using for BR in W7 because even that OS was a dick about movies. *shrug* Currently booting into W7 for the 1 time I may need to watch a DVD/BR every couple months. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: eldaec on July 27, 2016, 06:09:36 AM The ribbon is now a decade old, and it is still terrible.
:geezer: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: calapine on July 27, 2016, 06:41:54 AM AFAIK at the moment it's only the french privacy authority.
Here are the points they are objecting to: Quote Irrelevant or excessive data collected: The CNIL found that the company was collecting diagnostic and usage data via its telemetry service, which uses such data, among other things, to identify problems and to improve products. To this purpose, Microsoft Corporation processes, for instance, Windows app and Windows Store usage data, providing information, among other things, on all the apps downloaded and installed on the system by a user and the time spent on each one. Therefore, the company is collecting excessive data, as these data are not necessary for the operation of the service. A lack of security: The company allows users to choose a four characters PIN to authenticate themselves for all its on-line services, notably to access to their Microsoft account, which lists purchases made in the store and the payment instruments used, but the number of attempts to enter the PIN is not limited, which means that user data is not secure or confidential. Lack of individual consent: An advertising ID is activated by default when Windows 10 is installed, enabling Windows apps and other parties’ apps to monitor user browsing and to offer targeted advertising without obtaining users’ consent. Lack of information and no option to block cookies: The company puts advertising cookies on users’ terminals without properly informing them of this in advance or enabling them to oppose this. https://www.cnil.fr/en/windows-10-cnil-publicly-serves-formal-notice-microsoft-corporation-comply-french-data-protection Nothing earth shattering, but the the 4-digit PIN without limiting attempts is lol-worthy. I am surprised big companies keep making such mistakes. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Raph on July 27, 2016, 10:33:42 AM I upgraded. It took some effort; the incompatibility warning was because LogMeIn was a video driver, and it decided it was incompatible. Then I also had to deal with upping the system partition, because it would fail due to lack of space even though there was plenty.
It seems to have fixed my search service, my iCloud in Outlook, my Firefox acting up, and a bunch of other random shit that had piled up. So far so good. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on July 27, 2016, 12:40:30 PM Nothing earth shattering, but the the 4-digit PIN without limiting attempts is lol-worthy. I am surprised big companies keep making such mistakes. What you call a mistake they call a billion-dollar+ reduction in Customer Service calls when someone forgets their PIN and locks themselves out. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on July 27, 2016, 02:03:59 PM Finally bit the bullet and finished upgrading all the units here that could be upgraded. Smooth, if lengthy, process in most cases. Also had to play with partitions in two units, and immediately had to deal with Windows insisting on installing its own broken device driver over the working one I already had. But other than that sort of thing, there were no issues so severe that I felt like I needed to nuke any drive and do a full re-install.
Got Spybot Anti-Beacon running, Cortina is lobotomized, active tiles are turned off or uninstalled if possible -- still having a problem with blocking updates. Even hacking the registry isn't working, so I think I'm just going to have to turn off the Windows Update service. Get's the job done I guess. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Xuri on July 29, 2016, 01:37:12 PM 13 hours and 23 minutes left to decide if I should bite the bullet and upgrade my two Windows 7 machines. Came close yesterday, until this happened: http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/ (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/)
After that patch hits (on Aug 2nd) I will not - as a Win 10 Pro user - be able to disable the lockscreen (I want to go directly to login screen, thx), cannot turn off the Microsoft Consumer Experience to stop Candy Crush and other random stuff from automatically being pushed to my system (or appear as app suggestions in my Start Menu) on Microsoft's whim, and cannot disable Windows Tips & Tricks. These things can only be disabled in Enterprise editions after the patch. This annoys me. Time will tell if it annoys me too much to upgrade or not. Hm. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on July 29, 2016, 01:50:23 PM You also won't be able to turn of Cortana in an upcoming update.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Xuri on July 29, 2016, 02:02:39 PM Fake edit: Hm but I installed English (US) as default system/interface language, so maybe they'll force-enable it for me? Who knows. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 29, 2016, 02:16:35 PM You also won't be able to turn of Cortana in an upcoming update. Seriously? That is some fucked up shit right there. I don't want my computer to search Bing when I am doing a file search. Good thing I will be mostly dealing with Enterprise when I deal with it for the foreseeable future. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on July 29, 2016, 02:22:50 PM Ya srsly:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/232522-cortana-cant-be-disabled-in-the-windows-10-anniversary-update Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on July 29, 2016, 03:23:49 PM Ok, well it looks like maybe it is just like when Apple made "Sherlock" the default search app but you could turn off its ability to web search....maybe.
Still can't upgrade my PC to 10 as I have some hardware/software on it that is incompatible. I was able to painlessly upgrade both of my parents' computers to it though, which was a plus. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on July 29, 2016, 04:03:17 PM Shit, I forgot to upgrade a couple public PCs to W10 to shut up some annoying patrons. Oh, well. The type of patron who runs XP at home because gubmint but bitches when we don't have 1000% up to date software on every computer.
They don't bother me, but for some reason a couple librarians still take them seriously. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on July 29, 2016, 09:17:30 PM Ya srsly: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/232522-cortana-cant-be-disabled-in-the-windows-10-anniversary-update Kinda glad I waited until the last minute then. I can always roll back my main machines to Win 7 and 8, but I figure there will be third party "solutions" to whatever shenanigans Microsoft is about to pull pretty quick. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Father mike on July 31, 2016, 07:40:22 AM You can turn off Cortana by killing her background process. It will try to auto-restart in under 5 seconds, so you have to rename the folder it lives in. See instructions here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3fo738/how_to_completely_remove_cortana_background/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3fo738/how_to_completely_remove_cortana_background/) THIS WILL DISABLE ALL WINDOWS SEARCHES. You can still search for specific files in the File Explorer, but the ability to hit the Start button, type in a word and get relevant functions is gone. So good luck finding anything not on the Settings main page. EDIT: Didn't read the article above about disabling policy edits before I posted. That's way more disturbing than Cortana. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Ceryse on July 31, 2016, 10:26:23 AM Really glad I waited to upgrade to Windows 10; decided to not do so. The policy change, among many others, really makes Windows 10 unappealing, especially since Windows 7 works perfectly fine (and will for a good while yet) and Windows 10 brings absolutely nothing to the table over Windows 7 for me -- especially given a few apps/games of mine either don't work, or are a big hassle to get working in Windows 10.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: WayAbvPar on July 31, 2016, 10:55:49 AM Tried to update 4 or 5 times. Even bought a cleanup/repair tool to try to unfuck Windows Update or whatever was not working. Still failed. At this point I am glad.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: calapine on July 31, 2016, 01:05:52 PM You can turn off Cortana by killing her background process. It will try to auto-restart in under 5 seconds, so you have to rename the folder it lives in. See instructions here THIS WILL DISABLE ALL WINDOWS SEARCHES. That seems a bit drastic. AFAIK HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search 'AllowCortana' set to 0 will still work post-Anniversary update. See spoiler: Edit: Regarding Third-Party tools, I like O&O Shutup 10 Very granular settings (which it actually explains), Freeware https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 Anniversary Edit because apparently patching in unwanted stuff is en vogue now: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on July 31, 2016, 02:40:03 PM Now that Microsoft has started force-enabling some of the most invasive aspects of Windows 10, it seems highly likely that they'll keep re-enabling them on a regular basis. They did that with the Windows 10 "free" upgrade notifications and some of the "telemetry" (invasive system monitoring) they back-ported to Windows 7 and 8/8.1--they kept re-publishing the old updates, or publishing them with new KB numbers to make them look like new ones, to try to catch people who blocked some of the older updates by their ID.
From now on, it'll be an arms race between third parties and users who just want to have some control over systems they own, versus Microsoft's desire to best Facebook in terms of invasive monitoring and data collection...a lot like the arms race between malware and anti-virus software, actually. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: calapine on July 31, 2016, 02:56:36 PM There will be some push-back. From users and EU ( + US ?) regulators.
Not sure what MS grand plan here is, or even if they have one. If we look at MS-Nokia debacle and the billions that got burned only for the entire smartphone division to be dumped again it doesn't look like a company that's on top of things. I am guessing MS will try something similar to what openSUSE Tumbleweed (and others) are doing now: rolling release distro instead of big version increments. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on July 31, 2016, 03:00:53 PM You can turn off Cortana by killing her background process. It will try to auto-restart in under 5 seconds, so you have to rename the folder it lives in. See instructions here THIS WILL DISABLE ALL WINDOWS SEARCHES. That seems a bit drastic. AFAIK HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search 'AllowCortana' set to 0 will still work post-Anniversary update. See spoiler: Edit: Regarding Third-Party tools, I like O&O Shutup 10 Very granular settings (which it actually explains), Freeware https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 Anniversary Edit because apparently patching in unwanted stuff is en vogue now: Thanks for the heads up on O&O. That looks a lot more in depth than Spybot Anti-Beacon, and fixes my unwanted update problem. Going to slap this in before the Anniversary, then wait for that update until the third party guys catch up. Jeeze Microsoft, is this really worth it? Nice to have a near monopoly I guess... Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: calapine on July 31, 2016, 03:15:31 PM Thanks for the heads up on O&O. That looks a lot more in depth than Spybot Anti-Beacon, and fixes my unwanted update problem. Going to slap this in before the Anniversary, then wait for that update until the third party guys catch up. Jeeze Microsoft, is this really worth it? Nice to have a near monopoly I guess... Most welcome. Glad I could be of use! :heart: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Xuri on July 31, 2016, 05:16:08 PM Decided not to upgrade as well. Ultimately, I'm happy with Windows 7, and upgrading is more trouble than its worth. Besides... anyone can still upgrade to Win 10 for free as long as they're willing to lie about using "assistive technologies". What assistive technologies are those, you ask? Doesn't matter - Microsoft doesn't seem care! Anyone who think they are entitled to upgrade, CAN upgrade: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade)
(Disclaimer: I have not tried to upgrade in this manner) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: calapine on August 01, 2016, 02:45:57 AM Decided not to upgrade as well. Ultimately, I'm happy with Windows 7, and upgrading is more trouble than its worth. Pressure to upgrade is going to come via compatibility issues, mostly of third party software. For example both Spybot Anti-Beacon and O&O ShutUp10 have issues on Win7, lots of the features simply don't work. If you want to get the most of of those programmes you will need Windows 10. MS is also pushing the boundary feature wise: Edge is introducing 'browser extensions' come the Anniversary update. That opens up possibilities such as using an addblocker, which could enhance your browsing experience. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on August 01, 2016, 05:49:07 AM I'm staying with Win 7 too. I have 10 on my laptop and don't really like it more than 7.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 01, 2016, 06:38:40 AM Funny how we all have different views on these things. I'm looking for a new tablet and I simply won't consider one that doesn't come with Windows 10 installed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on August 01, 2016, 07:43:23 AM Ditto.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Pennilenko on August 01, 2016, 01:43:54 PM I have windows 10 on everything. Three PCs and two laptops. Nobody bitches about it. We are rolling 10 out at work with our fresh hardware update. Even the old people don't give a shit about changing.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 02, 2016, 12:11:30 AM Even the old people :awesome_for_real: :geezer: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on August 02, 2016, 09:07:40 AM Ever since The Ribbon, no one fucking cares anymore. As long as Facebook and pornhub.com works.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on August 02, 2016, 09:32:58 AM I stopped giving a shit mid-way through XP's run. Used to mod the shit out of the OS. Now I just shut off the more egregious shit and get on with life.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Selby on August 02, 2016, 03:19:56 PM Now I just shut off the more egregious shit and get on with life. Exactly. I mod'd the hell out of shit for 10 years and for the last 12-13 have given next to no fucks once I turn off the annoying bits and work around the rest naturally.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lucas on August 02, 2016, 04:15:16 PM Made it safely to the "other side" (anniversary update): now using Microsoft Edge with AdBlock, although I still can't understand why the zoom feature is general and not page-based like Chrome.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: ajax34i on August 03, 2016, 03:39:02 AM So how long before they borrow a page from game EULA's and decide that modifying the client (in this case, the OS) gets you a perma-ban on the Windows license?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 03, 2016, 09:53:32 AM I've also upgraded everything except the file server to the Anniversary Update, and it's broken my file sharing over the network. All of the upgraded PCs can see the file server, but none of them can be seen. Can't figure it out, very annoying.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: SurfD on August 04, 2016, 04:51:53 AM So, mildly annoying issue that I have encountered so far:
Fresh install of Win 10. 100% brand new computer. All drivers updated. Installed FireFox. For some reason, about 30% of the time I open a new tab or click link, the browser simply refuses to load the page. I get a "server not found" page with the Try Again button. Clicking try again once or twice will bring the intended page up no problem, but the frequency at which this happens is beginning to annoy me. Any thoughts? I dont think it is a DNS issue with my router, as nothing with the router settings has changed and my old pc never had this problem, and also, the problem conveniently never seems to occur if I open anything with Edge. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 04, 2016, 04:57:01 AM Have a look at this page (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-cant-load-websites-other-browsers-can).
My file sharing issue seems to have resolved itself. I did nothing. It started working again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on August 20, 2016, 11:43:07 PM Random thing I just found that makes me like Win10 a lot more: rt-clicking the start button (or whatever tehy call it now) brings up a non-bullshit start menu. Nice.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Father mike on August 21, 2016, 10:47:52 AM Awesome find, Sky. Is there a setting somewhere to make that menu the default?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Morat20 on August 21, 2016, 10:59:13 AM Random thing I just found that makes me like Win10 a lot more: rt-clicking the start button (or whatever tehy call it now) brings up a non-bullshit start menu. Nice. Doesn't do that for me, but right-clicking does. Also windows-X.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on August 21, 2016, 01:15:41 PM Awesome find, Sky. Is there a setting somewhere to make that menu the default? Download Windows Classic Shell. (http://www.classicshell.net/) Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: schild on August 21, 2016, 01:21:03 PM Didn't Classic Shell have some kind of insane malware issue last week or maybe two weeks ago?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on August 21, 2016, 05:43:12 PM Random thing I just found that makes me like Win10 a lot more: rt-clicking the start button (or whatever tehy call it now) brings up a non-bullshit start menu. Nice. Doesn't do that for me, but right-clicking does. Also windows-X.Type 'winver' in a command prompt and make sure you are running the same version he is? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on August 21, 2016, 06:31:58 PM Didn't Classic Shell have some kind of insane malware issue last week or maybe two weeks ago? Well shit, not that I noticed. :ye_gods: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on August 21, 2016, 07:48:05 PM Didn't Classic Shell have some kind of insane malware issue last week or maybe two weeks ago? Well shit, not that I noticed. :ye_gods: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: apocrypha on August 21, 2016, 10:46:55 PM http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/04/classicshell_audicity_infection/
I suspect you'd know about it by now if you had it. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on August 22, 2016, 09:55:42 AM http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/04/classicshell_audicity_infection/ I suspect you'd know about it by now if you had it. Still better than Win10's default UI. :why_so_serious: More seriously, yet another reason to always download from the original source, if possible. Although now that I check, Classicshell uses Mediafire as their official download site... :pedobear: Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 11, 2016, 11:34:59 AM OK so my computer has now decided to start itself up on it's own, even after it's turned off and shut down. Not hibernating but actually off.
It happened at 11PM last night. Just randomly starts turning on. It's been doing this for a few days now at different times. When I check the event logs, it says the source of wakeup is "Unknown" and that "the system has returned from a low power state" WTF is going on, I don't like waking up at 3AM because my monitor is staring at me. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: rattran on October 11, 2016, 11:52:23 AM My win10 machine has been doing the same thing in the last week. Usually within a hour of shutdown I notice it's on again. Only thing I've changed is a new mouse.
Did you recently change to a deathadder elite? Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 11, 2016, 11:54:47 AM I've changed nothing. This happened within the last week as well. It's like something to do with updates, but I can't put my finger on why since it says there are no updates.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: 01101010 on October 11, 2016, 12:18:08 PM That is weird and a little disconcerting. I had my PC waking up from sleep before because Windows defaulted some switch to allow applications to wake up my PC. Never happened again after I manually switched that off. Doubt it is the same thing though.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 11, 2016, 12:45:30 PM Chances are that the next time it installs patches it won't turn on at all so count yourself lucky :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sir T on October 11, 2016, 12:56:08 PM I recommend plugging out the modem or network cable to see us it responding to a command. After that you can unplug it and remove the battery for notebooks.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 11, 2016, 01:04:07 PM Obviously it can't zombie while powered off. Welcome to MS using your power & processors to run their HR reports.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on October 11, 2016, 02:34:12 PM OK so my computer has now decided to start itself up on it's own, even after it's turned off and shut down. Not hibernating but actually off. It happened at 11PM last night. Just randomly starts turning on. It's been doing this for a few days now at different times. When I check the event logs, it says the source of wakeup is "Unknown" and that "the system has returned from a low power state" WTF is going on, I don't like waking up at 3AM because my monitor is staring at me. Gotta upload "telemetry" sometime! With the new Microsoft policy on updates (i.e., they're all bundled, and they won't tell you what's in them beyond "an important update") there's no way to know what kinds of things are getting snuck in. I'm looking forward to having to go over the Win7 registry and services list with a fine-toothed comb after every Patch Tuesday from now on. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Lightstalker on October 11, 2016, 02:59:17 PM From a command shell: powercfg -lastwake
Eventlogs won't always get the message, but the OS (as exposed through powercfg) should know. For me it has been: Windows Update (the check for restart task that ran every day even if updates were not applied), the Network Card, some 3rd party updater. It could literally be anything, and often won't be the same thing twice. Also, several checks re-enable themselves via scheduled task. You can disable the task (some tasks get auto-enabled regularly too) or just add your own task to re-disable these settings as they come up. Real shit show, honestly. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: JRave on October 11, 2016, 03:00:00 PM I can't say if this will help you as I do not have Win10 anymore. But check for Fast Startup being enabled, apparently if it is enabled windows prevents an actual shutdown so it can download/install/update windows itself. It piggybacks off the system's hibernate settings so disabling hibernate disables it as well. I have no clue what you would need to change to keep hibernate but disable fast startup.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: KallDrexx on October 11, 2016, 03:05:00 PM At one point I tracked down my Nvidia Shield Tv device sending a message over the LAN that would wake my pc up.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: NowhereMan on October 13, 2016, 02:03:41 AM We've got a machine at work that turns itself on every night, it's on 7 though and all auto updates are turned off. I don't think anyone has tried to track down the root cause.
Had a fun day with my laptop earlier in the week, it applied the latest Win10 update and I think got interrupted. Turns out that particular one if it doesn't go through results in a boot loop, I had a Win10 ISO but it wouldn't let me use that to boot into safemode in the main OS. You also can't interrupt Win10 loading to change the boot mode so it seems like the only way to boot into safe mode is through Windows itself. Luckily for some reason I fired it up the next day and just got a message saying Windows couldn't update successfully but losing the use of the laptop for almost 2 days was a real pain, especially as I ended up losing my whole evening trying to get it working again. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Selby on October 13, 2016, 05:56:36 AM Luckily for some reason I fired it up the next day and just got a message saying Windows couldn't update successfully but losing the use of the laptop for almost 2 days was a real pain, especially as I ended up losing my whole evening trying to get it working again. This is extremely annoying, yes. What I've found is that you have to give it a certain number of attempts to boot before it considers it "failed" and reverts back. Between 4 computers at home and work, it's happened twice now.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 13, 2016, 06:24:48 AM My mom's machine had that happen, it was running chkdsk after one boot but it doesn't display anything to tell you it is doing something as in previous versions so it looks totally locked up.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: NowhereMan on October 14, 2016, 02:04:47 AM This is extremely annoying, yes. What I've found is that you have to give it a certain number of attempts to boot before it considers it "failed" and reverts back. Between 4 computers at home and work, it's happened twice now. I'm guessing it's quite a few because I left in a boot loop for like an hour at one point. I'm glad that it does seem to eventually fix itself but I really think MS could benefit from inserting a 1 or 2 second screen letting you go into the boot menu when loading. Between SSDs and improved code for the boot there is literally no option for that anymore. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: shiznitz on October 14, 2016, 12:10:43 PM Anniversary update disabled Report Center and Start Button. At least I can right click on the latter to get to the functions but all the nifty new App interface stuff is inaccessible. The two proposed solutions from MSFT via the community boards have failed.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Rendakor on October 14, 2016, 02:32:24 PM Thanks for that. I've been debating a last minute upgrade from Win 7 to 10 so I can play Gears and Forza, but I think I'm going to pass.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 17, 2016, 10:33:45 AM Having some name lookup problems, which I think were related to an aging router, but it still seems pretty slow SOMETIMES. Not sure if it is a DNS thing at this point or if it just decided to tank overall performance but running Steam & Battle.net were crap-slow today.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Torinak on October 17, 2016, 02:17:33 PM Might be worth checking that your router hasn't been compromised. Double-check its DNS server addresses as a first step, and make sure it's as locked down as is feasible. If it's a model with a hardcoded password, it's probably part of a DDOS botnet by now...
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 17, 2016, 02:59:19 PM I always tend to set my DNS at home manually to point at one or more of the big public DNS servers. (Google, L3, etc)
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 18, 2016, 07:42:26 AM I did wonder about that and I did a firmware reset of the one with dd-wrt on it (WRT54-GL). The one with the stock firmware (WRT54-GS), I just outright replaced with a Netgear 108 switch that I obtained from AT&T. I needed more ports anyway. I just did a quick set of the GL to router mode and probably set the DNS to 8.8.8.8, which it already was before the reset anyway. So, maybe it is compromised but maybe not. I guess the best thing to do would be to reflash it if I plan on keeping it in service.
On my TODO list: find out if there is a service interface for the 108 switch. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 18, 2016, 08:53:17 AM FS-108 are unmanaged switches. Totally dumb.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 19, 2016, 11:49:08 AM walks quietly into room, leaves object on table
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/19/ibm-deploying-1300-macs-per-week-apple-users-need-much-less-support-than-pc-counterparts backs away slowly Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 19, 2016, 12:20:42 PM Now the fucking computer is starting up in the middle of the day by itself. I've resorted to turning off the power strip at the wall when I'm done with it. This is absurd.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: JRave on October 19, 2016, 12:37:55 PM Now the fucking computer is starting up in the middle of the day by itself. I've resorted to turning off the power strip at the wall when I'm done with it. This is absurd. Try these instructions and see if 1) Fast Startup is enabled and 2) if disabling it fixes your shutdown issue. http://acer-in.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/37059/~/windows-10%3A-enable-or-disable-fast-startup Another post regarding it. http://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mode/ Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: MahrinSkel on October 19, 2016, 12:51:35 PM I vaguely remember having a problem like this that went away after I disabled every Chrome extension (which I tried out of desperation).
--Dave Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Mandella on October 19, 2016, 01:28:08 PM Now the fucking computer is starting up in the middle of the day by itself. I've resorted to turning off the power strip at the wall when I'm done with it. This is absurd. Sorry if you've already tried this, but have you looked at going into device manager/network adapter and unselecting "wake on LAN?" There might also be a "Wake on LAN" setting in the BIOS/UEFI (or whatever they are calling it these days). Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 19, 2016, 02:03:20 PM Now the fucking computer is starting up in the middle of the day by itself. I've resorted to turning off the power strip at the wall when I'm done with it. This is absurd. Sorry if you've already tried this, but have you looked at going into device manager/network adapter and unselecting "wake on LAN?" There might also be a "Wake on LAN" setting in the BIOS/UEFI (or whatever they are calling it these days). I haven't. But I'll try that. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Paelos on October 19, 2016, 02:03:47 PM Now the fucking computer is starting up in the middle of the day by itself. I've resorted to turning off the power strip at the wall when I'm done with it. This is absurd. Try these instructions and see if 1) Fast Startup is enabled and 2) if disabling it fixes your shutdown issue. http://acer-in.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/37059/~/windows-10%3A-enable-or-disable-fast-startup Another post regarding it. http://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mode/ I'll try this too. Thanks. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on October 20, 2016, 09:04:10 AM walks quietly into room, leaves object on table This has been 100% my experience over 16 years of running a dual OS environment. I have to regularly clean and maintain the windows machines, and give new employees a policy review on hire if they use them. With the macs, I just give them the quick 'don't do personal stuff on company time' spiel and let them go nuts. We've been pretty lucky with only a half dozen or so service downtimes due to user fuckery...all but one was a pc (and I'm still astounded an ex-employee managed to screw up her profile on a mac...but it didn't affect the shared login, so *shrug*).http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/19/ibm-deploying-1300-macs-per-week-apple-users-need-much-less-support-than-pc-counterparts backs away slowly On the other hand, the forced obsolescence cycle of the Mac OS is obscene. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on October 20, 2016, 10:10:52 AM At my university department we encourage the less computer literate to go towards Apple since it seems to be best designed for those with little instinct for computering. Unfortunately, these folks still require more service than 'normal' PC users, because even Apple can't halt an onslaught of stupid. That said, MS has always been a decentralized mad house poised on the brink of utter failure for decades now, carried along by its own financial momentum rather than any real competition.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 20, 2016, 10:21:19 AM Your numbers may be biased if you are only giving Macs to stupid people. Not saying it's a bad approach, but you aren't going to get a apples-to-apples on service metrics like that.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Engels on October 20, 2016, 10:30:47 AM Oh, I gave you the wrong impression. We have smart people using Macs too. All I am saying is that Macs are a safer bet for the technologically disinterested, but I find that increasingly, the problems are not so much with any given OS, but with the web/cloud/online services and how they work or don't.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 20, 2016, 10:33:58 AM Oh, well, fuck, I don't need any education on that shit. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on October 20, 2016, 12:46:13 PM (http://www.thelongandtheshortofit.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/henning.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on October 20, 2016, 04:11:52 PM Your numbers may be biased if you are only giving Macs to stupid people. Not saying it's a bad approach, but you aren't going to get a apples-to-apples on service metrics like that. It's true for IBM (http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper) too.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Tale on October 20, 2016, 04:47:18 PM Now the fucking computer is starting up in the middle of the day by itself. I've resorted to turning off the power strip at the wall when I'm done with it. This is absurd. Sorry if you've already tried this, but have you looked at going into device manager/network adapter and unselecting "wake on LAN?" There might also be a "Wake on LAN" setting in the BIOS/UEFI (or whatever they are calling it these days). My Win 10 machine (actually an Alienware Alpha console being used as a PC) has started going into Sleep mode after just a minute or two of inactivity, despite being set to NEVER Sleep in Windows 10 settings. Which is quite annoying as I have to re-enter the password when I come back to the machine from the bathroom, and reconnect the bluetooth speaker. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2016, 05:21:25 AM Your numbers may be biased if you are only giving Macs to stupid people. Not saying it's a bad approach, but you aren't going to get a apples-to-apples on service metrics like that. It's true for IBM (http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper) too.90%. Of the world, not just the business world, has no idea how to computer. It's not how normal people think at all and they have no intuition or empathy or desire to figure out what the user wants. Humans don't work well in those systems. It's no surprise that a platform that removes or hides choices or automates more tasks is better at actual people level use. Imagine a justice system that was perfectly able to enforce all laws immediately. That's the PC. It sounds great but after the 4th speeding ticket in a day you'd be pissed at the cursing fine when you hit downtown. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on October 21, 2016, 06:13:24 AM Well, it would stop this '5mph over is cool' nonsense you hippies started.
"I know I could die instantly at any time at a high statistical probability, but I'm going to shrug off the most basic set of protections put in place to reduce those probabilities and you're an asshole if you don't." Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Teleku on October 21, 2016, 06:55:22 AM People who don't drive at least 5 mph over the speed limit almost certainly cause more accidents and deaths in this country than those who don't. Also, most likely Nazi's.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2016, 08:25:34 AM Know what I just heard there?
Fuck you, you always say to reboot the machine. There's no reason in 2016 I should have to. My 120 hours of uptime on Win7 isnt the issue, nor are all those browser bars. They help me be productive. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2016, 08:59:53 AM Your numbers may be biased if you are only giving Macs to stupid people. Not saying it's a bad approach, but you aren't going to get a apples-to-apples on service metrics like that. It's true for IBM (http://www.recode.net/2016/10/20/13337652/mac-ibm-business-cheaper) too.Yep, the link I posted earlier came from an internal chat room. It's even an improvement for my old-style UNIX admin work, not just software development and DevOps horseshit. To Merusk's point, there is an nice abstraction layer for non-techs, but being BSD under the hood means a tech like me can do a lot more with less hassle. This is incredibly on-topic but I am pretty sure that speed limits are not actually calibrated for safety. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on October 21, 2016, 09:20:19 AM :why_so_serious:
Anyway, I do 90% of my server admin via the command line in OSX. It's really a nice mix (though at times I'd like more exposed in the GUI!). Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2016, 10:20:37 AM I don't want to know what that other 10% is.
I love iTerm2 very much. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 21, 2016, 10:30:12 AM This is incredibly on-topic but I am pretty sure that speed limits are not actually calibrated for safety. I actually think the 55mph highway speed limit was set to cut down on fuel consumption during the shitty fuel crisis days of the 70's. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2016, 11:03:59 AM It was, and at the time there was a little States' Rights left and the speed law was generally unenforced.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on October 21, 2016, 11:07:05 AM I don't want to know what that other 10% is. Mostly the server admin module for adding new users. So probably more like 99% terminal with our low turnover.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Strazos on October 22, 2016, 05:05:47 AM I actually think the 55mph highway speed limit was set to cut down on fuel consumption during the shitty fuel crisis days of the 70's. It's also too fucking slow, especially for long trips. If I can drive 70 mph on shitty roads in an armored suburban with no problems, then it's a no-brainer when I'm driving a normal vehicle on good US roads. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on October 22, 2016, 11:54:43 AM walks quietly into room, leaves object on table This has been 100% my experience over 16 years of running a dual OS environment. I have to regularly clean and maintain the windows machines, and give new employees a policy review on hire if they use them. With the macs, I just give them the quick 'don't do personal stuff on company time' spiel and let them go nuts. We've been pretty lucky with only a half dozen or so service downtimes due to user fuckery...all but one was a pc (and I'm still astounded an ex-employee managed to screw up her profile on a mac...but it didn't affect the shared login, so *shrug*).http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/19/ibm-deploying-1300-macs-per-week-apple-users-need-much-less-support-than-pc-counterparts backs away slowly On the other hand, the forced obsolescence cycle of the Mac OS is obscene. If you're doing development on a Mac you'd probably be best served just using an actual Linux instead of a bad Linux, like OSX. If you're doing iOS app development, you have my condolences and I hope your pain ends soon. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 22, 2016, 01:41:43 PM MacOS isn't "bad Linux" because it isn't based on Linux. It is based on the real OS that Linux copied :-P
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on October 22, 2016, 02:37:10 PM Linux didn't copy BSD at all (Linus was inspired by MINIX's design, not BSD's). The GNU utilities which are bundled with Linux do use the BSD-style command line switches rather than System V R4's switches (thank god) which does make Linux feel similar to BSD but the kernels are totally different.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Fabricated on October 22, 2016, 02:48:11 PM MacOS isn't "bad Linux" because it isn't based on Linux. It is based on the real OS that Linux copied :-P I'm being facetious.Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Chimpy on October 22, 2016, 03:45:01 PM So was I.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: HaemishM on October 22, 2016, 04:16:59 PM NERD FIGHT!
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Yegolev on October 24, 2016, 09:56:20 AM I'd rather do UNIX work and coding on OSX than try to do office software on linux. But a valid point in some ways. I don't know what it would be like to try creating a slide deck on CentOS but my gut tells me that I'd wish I was using MS PowerPoint before I completed it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2016, 09:05:37 AM Non-Windows related Apple stuff split off:
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=25422.0 Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: NowhereMan on October 26, 2016, 09:14:43 AM In fun Android cross thread thing, plugged my phone into the laptop to try and put some music files on it and it doesn't show up when put to MTP setting. Apparently it's a fairly common issue with Windows generally. In this case it makes the USB connection sound when it switches settings or I connect/disconnect it but nothing shows up in Device Manager. If I stick it in MIDI mode I get the phone appearing under Software devices but otherwise nada.
For all that I don't really enjoy using Apple interfaces (I have tried and maybe there's some options somewhere I haven't found but I love Android widgets and really prefer the Windows taskbar) being able to plug one device into another and have things just work without trawling the net looking for driver files is pretty appealing. Title: Re: Windows 10 Post by: Sky on October 26, 2016, 09:35:23 AM I seem to remember a similar problem the last time I backed up my s5 before upgrading.
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