Captain America: Civil War

[MediumHigh]

Literally the only movie I'm looking forward to in 2016 the fact that the trailer screaming "NOT THE SHIT COMIC NOT THE SHIT COMIC" is giving me some joy.

Not looking forward to Rogue One, or Dr. Strange?

I'll give a Disney once chance with the pre-OT but post-prequels star wars. Dr. Strange sits in a lower tier than Ant-man. While ant-man "sounds" bads the actual source material and the many depictions *not ultimates not fucking ultimates* are classic and compelling. Doc Strange? McGuffin. He fixes problems with magic, I mean stupid problems that shouldn't have been written in the first place with magic. And he just kinda does it. Wanna reset your shitty nonsensical event book that killed several characters pointlessly? Just call doc strange he'll fix it. Wanna undo some weighty catastrophe that will change the marvel universe forever? Oh you remember our good friend doc strange he'll snap his fingers and fix it. And while he's not a walking plot device he'll use his magic powers to shoot lasers at your face. And no not kidding he just shoots lasers from his hand and they hurt. Alot. You get more "magic p@wer" from run of the mill hogwarts brat.

[jgsugden]

[Evildrider]

Well they only said that "Hulk" wasn't in the film.  Doesn't mean Banner doesn't pop up to be sent off into space by the Illuminati.   

[palmer_eldritch]

Ok watch this new trailer all the way to the end. No spoilers from me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2P4DkHxXNQ

Also, this film looks more like an Avengers story than a solo Captain America story, even if Cap is playing a lead role. That's fine with me though.

[Merusk]

UNDEROOS!

[Ironwood]

Christ, suckered in AGAIN.

Dammit. 

[jgsugden]

...
Also, this film looks more like an Avengers story than a solo Captain America story, even if Cap is playing a lead role. That's fine with me though.

Some of the action is Avengers level, the story is Captain America focused (according to reports).  In other words, the other heroes in this are about as active as Sharon Carter was in Winter Soldier.  She had action scenes, but it was clearly not her story.  

[Fordel]

Christ, suckered in AGAIN.

Dammit.  

Wouldn't you need to have 'left' to actually be drawn back in?  

[Ironwood]

Very true.  They haven't put a foot wrong for me, in honesty.  Some ups and downs, but even the downs were fucking awesome.

The previous trailers made this look a bit shit though ;  this one, not so much.

[HaemishM]

This one gives a lot better context for the conflict than the others, plus more Black Panther and Ant-Man, which is a really good thing. Plus, the ending.

[Ironwood]

Yup.

The costume sucks a bit tho.

[Fordel]

I feel like a LOT of the scenes in the trailer are just like, made for the trailer and taken utterly out of context. The whole team face off scene, I'm like 50/50 on that just being early in the movie as a training exercise or something, super hero dodge ball.


I'm guessing they still need to do the final CG pass or whatever.

[RhyssaFireheart]

UNDEROOS!

BWAHAHAHA!  That was so unexpected.

Can't wait for the movie.

Fake Edit - it's too bright or something.

[jgsugden]

The Underoo quality is discussed on this thread already - there is a story reason for it.

[Trippy]

Wait, Underroo-man was on the other side of the conflict in the comics.

[HaemishM]

Actually he started on Stark's side and switched to Cap's side.

And the problem with the Underoos was that it was way too shiny. It didn't look real.

[Trippy]

Ah okay, missed that part of the story.

[Ironwood]

Don't worry, it was shit.

I mean, really, really shit.

[HaemishM]

That is an insult to shit. Secret Wars was the worst Marvel crossover since Bendis started doing crossovers with Avengers Disassembled, even though it wasn't written by Bendis.

[eldaec]

Secret or Civil?

As a general rule I find the quality of any Marvel comic book to be inversely proportional to the degree of crossover going on.

[HaemishM]

Civil. Secret Wars actually has some good bits to it outside of the really crazy concept and Hickman OVER 9000 cosmic bullshit.

[Furiously]

No deadpool??? What is this crap?

[eldaec]

Reviews are good.

Reading between the lines it seems a lot like winter soldier but with more guys you've heard of.

Which is all fine by me.

[Evildrider]

After all the tv spots lately the hype for this is real.  I also have to think that someone at WB has to realize their take on the DC properties is total shit atm.  Civil War is still at 98% on Rottentomatoes with 58 reviews.  BvS was already at like 30% by that time.

[NowhereMan]

Saw it and felt it was one of the more mediocre MCU offerings, I think I actually preferred Ant-Man all things told. It wasn't bad in any way and there were some really good bits, I actually liked the plot points that focused on Cap. The Civil War part was what turned me off completely, the big fight scene in particular seemed to go on a bit long and was just too much of a mish-mash. No-one really wanted to kill anyone else, heroes weren't being particularly focused... the stakes didn't feel high and I was way too aware of heroes not using powers in any sensible way  The whole part with multiple heroes was something they jumped into without any real lead up, it kind of makes sense if you shut your brain off but if this is setting up the second wave Avengers it did a pretty terrible job of giving a reason to be together beyond 'because'.

[jgsugden]

I saw it tonight and was very pleased.  I love the way the Russo Brothers handled each of the characters.  Holding back significant spoilers for the moment, but a few takeaways:

1.) I think this was the best version of Hawkeye we've seen.  There was not a lot of him, but I think they get Hawkeye more than Whedon did.
2.) Prior to this movie I did not have much of an opinion on the Black Panther movie.  Now I do and I'm looking forward to it. 
3.) Either the Russo Brothers are really good at picking up random elements and weaving them together or Marvel has been planning to build to this movie since the beginning.
4.) Sadly, this movie made it incredibly clear that the MCU is the movies... and the TV series are fan fiction built around the movies.  There were a dozen places where they could have woven elements from the TV series into this movie and made it cohesive... but they went a different direction.  There were two clear avenues in this movie to tie elements from MAoS into the movie and they didn't do it, even though both elements that could be tied in have been around since they were working on the script of this movie.  Until elements form the TV weave back into the movies, it is not a cohesive whole like we were once promised.
5.) Both of the two new heroes in this movie were amazingly well done. 

[Shannow]

I enjoyed it, the last two fights are pretty damn good, the final one even packing some real emotional weight for a superhero movie.

The middle action scenes, like Avengers 2 and more and more MArvel movies were fucking long and boring and put me to sleep.

[Khaldun]

I enjoyed it on the whole, but once again they have trouble coming up with anything like a genuine antagonist to match the charisma and appeal of the main characters. By the time we got to the last act, I found myself so puzzled by some of the undercurrents of the plot that it started to intrude on the film itself.

To wit:

[Rishathra]

There's something I don't get about the final conflict.

[Khaldun]

Wondered about that too.

[Evildrider]

There's something I don't get about the final conflict.

[jgsugden]

[Surlyboi]

[Merusk]

I kept expecting a HH from the Secretary of State because, wtf, the accords were so against American IRL policy that was the only way I could reconcile it. Ok, Comic Book movie, USA actually agrees to let it's powerful military members to be bound by some international agreement. Cap actually decides not to be Team USA. Whatever. It all seemed contrived to me just to set them against each other.

I agree it was lesser than the last several stand-alone Marvel movies. It runs into the same problems as all comics; convoluted reasons for things happening because THIS crossover book/ movie is only using these characters and these bits of story. (A reason I'm happy Mutants are separate from Tights, even if it's only due to licensing.)

Still had fun watching it, but affirmed that I just don't like the concept of the ensemble movies. I'm a stand-alone fan.

Spidey was well-woven into the movie. Some scenes in the airport fight it was obvious he was a second-thought and CGI'd into scenes filmed before the announcement. I expected his entire appearance to be just some bullshit like that. I was pleasantly surprised at his use and integration. I still don't buy Marissa Tomei as May.. maybe she'll get an Oscar for it, though.   

No-one really wanted to kill anyone else, heroes weren't being particularly focused... the stakes didn't feel high and I was way too aware of heroes not using powers in any sensible way  

[Lakov_Sanite]

Yeah it was a the biggest "Look at me, I'm a distraction!" play ever.