Supergirl

[Ironwood]

I liked the speech from Single Female Lawyer in this one too.  It was much better than her stuff in the first episode and I think she could have real depth. 

[Segoris]

I'm getting a bit tired of the normal people on computers and bluetooths sending the superheroes on missions.

This. I'm mostly fine with it for Flash/Arrow, but when it comes to Superman/Supergirl with all of their powers not so much.

I still can't stand Calista Flockheart, but ignoring her I at least thought episode 2 was an improvement over eps 1 so that is a good thing.

[Cyrrex]

So wait....the show is kinda good AND it turns out Supergirl is actually hot?  Fine then, I'll watch.

[jgsugden]

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves on the show being too good.  I like MAoS, Arrow and Flash a lot more. 

This last episode disappointed me:

* Villain flys away and you don't chase him despite being in your best fighting form?  Why the heck not?  He doesn't have your distance vision or hearing - why not at least follow and find his lair? 
* You're too proud to get help when facing someone that could friggin kill you?  Your fear that you might not get all the respect you want is worth dying? 
* Talking trash about Supergirl because she might get help against a villain - who everyone thinks could kill her - is just like a Millenial that lives at home and contributes nothing to society?  Strained analogy alert. 
* They need to friggin cast a Superman and put him on screen - the shadowed form is just annoying, just like not using his name in the pilot was silly. 

I get why they can't have Superman flying in all the time from a practical perspective, but from a storyline perspective it needs to be handled better - and they need to really think about her powers and give her challenges so we're not left thinking about the obvious things she should be doing to beat her villains. 

[MahrinSkel]

I get why they can't have Superman flying in all the time from a practical perspective, but from a storyline perspective it needs to be handled better - and they need to really think about her powers and give her challenges so we're not left thinking about the obvious things she should be doing to beat her villains. 

Not possible. Either her opponents are not Kryptonians, in which case she should beat them easily, or they are, in which case National City should get some radical urban renewal. Which is why Superman sucks as a character, and Supergirl isn't any better.

--Dave

[jgsugden]

It is hard.  If they can't do it, they should not have a show.  There are episodes of Flash where they challenge him with reasonable challenges - and that is nearly as hard.

I think you can challenge the character, especially considering that they've powered her down a lot from the comics.  She hasn't shown any of the 2000 B level abilities of Superman (eidetic memory, etc... )

Regardless, challenges do not necessarily need to involve being able to beat her up.  An invulnerable hero can still fail to save people, can be tricked into causing damage / outsmarted by enemies that get away with crimes, etc...   

[Ironwood]

I'm ok if she's just hot for a couple of seasons.  Really.

[jgsugden]

If all you want is to watch hot girls move around, they have this thing called porn you might try out.   I hear they even have exercise videos that can give you some good cardio.

[Threash]

Hell, you can see this specific girl naked if you want.

[Ironwood]

If all you want is to watch hot girls move around, they have this thing called porn you might try out.   I hear they even have exercise videos that can give you some good cardio.

Thanks for the update.  Did you get that from one of your tipsters ?

[Trippy]

Hell, you can see this specific girl naked if you want.

Shh...that's going to get Ironwood divorced.

[jgsugden]

...
Thanks for the update.  Did you get that from one of your tipsters ?

Your Mom mentioned it when she invited me over to see her home movies.

[Ironwood]

You mean the one of my birth.  Yeah, its not pleasant.

[jgsugden]

You mean the one of my birth.  Yeah, its not pleasant.

Yeah, I'm not sure many people are happy about how that turned out.

[HaemishM]

* Villain flys away and you don't chase him despite being in your best fighting form?  Why the heck not?  He doesn't have your distance vision or hearing - why not at least follow and find his lair? 
* You're too proud to get help when facing someone that could friggin kill you?  Your fear that you might not get all the respect you want is worth dying? 
* Talking trash about Supergirl because she might get help against a villain - who everyone thinks could kill her - is just like a Millenial that lives at home and contributes nothing to society?  Strained analogy alert. 
* They need to friggin cast a Superman and put him on screen - the shadowed form is just annoying, just like not using his name in the pilot was silly. 

I liked this episode but I actually do agree with all of your points here strangely enough, especially the bit about casting Superman. Only doing the shadowy figure thing is REALLY annoying. I know it's likely because the Warner Bros. movie people are being complete dicks about the characters they feel like they own, but they really need to get over that shit sharpish. I mean, it's not like they haven't already cast different actors for Flash and Arrow, so fuck's sake, just grab someone to be Superman and accept that he will occasionally be on there and he won't be Henry Cavill. The audience will understand that a lot more than this stupid bullshit they are going through. I hope it's just a matter of them exploring the boundaries of what they can and can't do and isn't a set in stone series Bible commandment.

Also, yes, Supergirl is getting hotter with each episode.

[Ironwood]

Not sure how I feel about this one.  I did NOT like her having to be saved by Clark.  I thought it was lame.  Especially when she kicked his fucking arse so easy at the end.  Also, Really ?  Really ?  Superman couldn't take down this discount Iron Man motherfucker ?  I couldn't really hold my disbelief on it.

Speaking of discount :  Discount Lex Luthor.  Lame. 

(No, before I get Sugdenned, I don't know if this Lord chap is in any comics or what he is or blah, blah, blah.  He was discount Lex Luthor.)

I did like the Clark Messenger Chat at the end, as it was a well done resolution to a shit idea.  The Love Triangle just fucking sucks balls though.

I dunno.  The girls loved the episode, so maybe it was just bugging me, but .....

[Threash]

Yeah, making this guy a serious threat to both her and Superman was seriously reaching.  She broke his damn suit with a freaking car door in their first fight, she could've ended the whole thing right there if she flew after him.

[HaemishM]

Maxwell Lord has a complicated history in the comics, being both hero and villain (and back and forth a few times). No idea which version of him they'll be using for this one, or why he's involved other than they probably can't use Lex Luthor thanks to the WB Movies guys being dicks.

[jgsugden]

Don't be ridiculous.  Sugdened uses the single N, not double.  Sugdenned?  Good grief.

I'm not a DC guy, generally.  I just have a few areas that I followed.

[Ironwood]

It was a play on you and denned.  It was on purpose this time.   

[Slyfeind]

Yeah, the shadowy Superman is old already, after two times. And I did NOT get the feeling Reactron is anything close to a threat to Supergirl, let alone Superman. I had my suspicions when I saw the trailer, and... yeah. He's a guy with a suit, and kind of a crappy suit at that.

I didn't hate the episode, and I actually kinda dug her chat with Superman at the end. But... ugh.

[Evildrider]

They made the point that Superman doesn't have a team and that Supergirl did, which is why she beat Reactron.  Also, isn't Supergirl more powerful than Superman in the comics?

[HaemishM]

Not in any Supergirl comic I remember.

[MediumHigh]

Supergirl is more violent than superman because superman spent a longer period of his life holding back and putting the necessary mental  blocks on himself so he doesn't kill people. So sometimes supergirl looks stronger because she doesnt hold back as much. 

Supermans greater strength is supposedly due to living longer under a yellow sun if anyone wonders why superman is written as the stronger of the two.

[jgsugden]

Actually curious - if Power Girl is an older version of Supergirl from another universe, does that make her more powerful than Supergirl?  Because she has been exposed to sun longer?  Also, is the Superman from Earth 2 (older Superman) stronger than Superman from Earth 1?  I know they screwed with continuity to make most of those questions irrelevant, but when they were relevant, was that the status?

[HaemishM]

I'm not sure which version of Power Girl is the one they use these days, but for the most part they tried to NOT make her the Earth-2 version of Supergirl because Earth-1 Superman never existed. Until he did again. In the New-52, I'm not sure what she is.

[Ironwood]

"The wit of a youtube comment."

Brilliant line.  Obvious Episode Order change is Obvious, but Cat just keeps getting better.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, they are finally making Cat into a real character as opposed to a one-note cutdown generator. The villain was actually decent as well, though their formula of "villain escapes from mid-episode set piece for reasons" is a bit grating.

I did catch myself wondering why Supergirl hasn't heard Hank Henshaw's gears and metal bits clanking though.

[dd0029]

I did catch myself wondering why Supergirl hasn't heard Hank Henshaw's gears and metal bits clanking though.

I've mentally chalked that up to, she's so practiced in not using her hearing that she has to specifically work to hear things, as she did this episode.

[Draegan]

I keep seeing commercials for this and it looks bad. Is its actually worth seeing?

[Pennilenko]

I keep seeing commercials for this and it looks bad. Is its actually worth seeing?

It is bad, but I am watching it anyways. I have no idea why.

[schild]

I keep seeing commercials for this and it looks bad. Is its actually worth seeing?

It is bad, but I am watching it anyways. I have no idea why.

They made the show in the wrong time with the wrong supergirl. Should've been Laura Vandervoort and a Smallville spinoff like Arrow.

[HaemishM]

It's not bad, it's not great, it has some good moments and it has some cringe-worthy moments. It should be on CW and be tied to the Arrow-Flash-verse but it won't be and will suffer for that.

[jgsugden]

It's not bad, it's not great, it has some good moments and it has some cringe-worthy moments. It should be on CW and be tied to the Arrow-Flash-verse but it won't be and will suffer for that.

As long as they don't do anything on this show that violates the multiverse concept from Flash, it remains possible... Angel and Buffy crossed over when controlled by different networks and both NBC and CW got good press for Constantine...

[Slyfeind]

As long as they don't do anything on this show that violates the multiverse concept from Flash, it remains possible... Angel and Buffy crossed over when controlled by different networks and both NBC and CW got good press for Constantine...

Also CBS owns like half of the CW. So they could cross over if they wanted to.

I don't get how one channel can own half of another channel. That's just weird to me. But anyway!