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Topic: "The Expanse" by Amazon [Formerly by Syfy] (Read 121780 times)
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Riggswolfe
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"We live in a country, where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono was standing right next to him and not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me! Explain that to me, God! Explain it to me, God!" - Denis Leary summing up my feelings about the nature of the universe.
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Tale
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Season 4 dropped early. Available to stream now on Amazon Prime.
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Bokonon
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First episode was too much "Previously on the Expanse...", the second episode top-notch.
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Brolan
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I’m two episodes in and like what I see so far.
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Abagadro
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Finally got my boy into it and caught up so starting S4 tomorrow (although I secretly watched the first ep on the night it dropped). The full re-watch was pretty cool. Actually forgot a few surprises and story beats. Jane is so damn good in this. Also had a newfound respect for Elizabeth Mitchell and what she did with Anna who in the books is pretty drab. Glad Gee got into the opening credits as she is great and Drummer is one of my favorite characters. She seemed pretty pumped about it on twitter.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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Tale
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I rewatched seasons 1-3 in preparation (loved 3 even more this time). I've done 4 episodes of season 4 and I'm loving it. At this point I could imagine there being complaints about not enough happening this season, but what do I know (haven't read further than book 2, and I guess a lot can happen in 6 episodes). However, where do you go with a storyline that has opened up possibilities on this scale? You use subplots to paint the big picture. This is the right approach.
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MisterNoisy
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Goddamn, I really love this show.
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Finished binge'ing this. Really enjoyed it overall, as usual! I'll stick a few minor quibbles into the spoilers, as well as some questions for book readers. Note, I discuss ending and cliffhangers, so it is full spoilers.
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MahrinSkel
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Teleku
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
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Teleku
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Ugh, never mind, went a head and googled spoilers. I'll probably stop bothering to watch this show over that silly plot point.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
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Tale
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I just finished season 4 and thought it was fantastic.
I think they're scriptwriting the series much better than they wrote the books (I've read one and a half). The characters have more dimensions and any changed/sped-up plot points improve the story for TV.
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Teleku
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I read spoilers from the books on what happens next. That's the silly plot point that bugs me. Maybe the series will write it to be a bit different, but ugh.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
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Abagadro
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Great season and our speculation was pretty spot on.
Teleku, keep with it. Don't know how far ahead you read, but even hitting highlights really doesn't give insight on to where the narrative goes. Plus, Amos's journey in book 5 is one of my favorite of all 8 books so far (assuming they do it on the show). Naomi's is pretty great too.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Teleku
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Book Spoiler that gives away plot that hasn't happened yet:
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
-Stephen Colbert
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lamaros
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Eh, I think you’re selling things short Tele. I disliked that plot for a few reasons, but it doesn’t really get rid of what you like, it just changes it.
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Abagadro
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Yes, that's what I mean as well. It doesn't do what you think it does.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Teleku
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Fair enough! I haven't read the books, just read spoilers. Show could do it a bit differently also. Was just being grumpy before, I know I'll keep watching regardless.
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"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."
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Khaldun
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Riggswolfe
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Book Spoiler that gives away plot that hasn't happened yet:
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"We live in a country, where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono was standing right next to him and not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me! Explain that to me, God! Explain it to me, God!" - Denis Leary summing up my feelings about the nature of the universe.
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Khaldun
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Exactly.
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MahrinSkel
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I have no idea how they are going to handle the '20 years later' transition of the last couple of books. Seems kind of hard to handwave.
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Khaldun
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Cast is aging pretty nicely into it; they could probably do the next two seasons in a 'present' frame and then skip ahead just fine 4-5 years from now in real world time with some makeup.
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Abagadro
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Riggswolfe
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As for the skip of several years, I doubt they'll address it at all. It's either makeup for the whole cast or just not worry about it. At most, they may make it shorter, like 10 years, say and just handwave it away. |
"We live in a country, where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono was standing right next to him and not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me! Explain that to me, God! Explain it to me, God!" - Denis Leary summing up my feelings about the nature of the universe.
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Abagadro
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Riggswolfe
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"We live in a country, where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono was standing right next to him and not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me! Explain that to me, God! Explain it to me, God!" - Denis Leary summing up my feelings about the nature of the universe.
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HaemishM
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Just finished binging it this week and damn it was good. The piling on of perils was getting a little much but I felt they wrapped it all up pretty well in the last two episodes. I kind of agree about the boarding action - did Ashford really think he'd win with just 3 boarders? It seemed very compressed and odd numbers wise. Other than those two things, I fucking loved it and can't wait for the next season.
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Riggswolfe
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"We live in a country, where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono was standing right next to him and not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me! Explain that to me, God! Explain it to me, God!" - Denis Leary summing up my feelings about the nature of the universe.
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Threash
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Well fuck.
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I am the .00000001428%
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Khaldun
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Shit.
I would assume recast. I think it can survive him being recast--he is kind of the weakest character in the books too imho. I think recasting Naomi or Amos would be pretty destructive because the actors do such a good job with much more difficult/complicated characters.
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HaemishM
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Recasting Amos would absolutely destroy that show. He is hands down one of my favorite characters on TV as much for how well the actor does with that role as much as how he's written.
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Khaldun
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Seriously, that could have been SO BAD and instead Wes Chatham finds even more depth and value in the character than the books even hint at. Imagine an actor just playing him as a tough-guy hard-ass action hero dude.
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Abagadro
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Ya, this sucks. S5 is already done, which will make its release super weird with this all happening and could lead to delays or even cancellation. Maybe Bezos can throw some big money to either the victims themselves or victim orgs to smooth things over since he likes the show so much.
Fuck that guy for jeopardizing such a good show just to get his dick wet or run privilege trips. If they can power through, just cast Naveen Andrews in the role and keep going. Hell, kill off Alex since he is kinda useless anyways and put in some other pilot. You will lose one very powerful scene regarding Bobby if they ever get to it but that's about it. Rework Peaches to be the pilot going forward as that wouldn't be much of a stretch.
I though Chatham was way too young to play Amos when the show first started based on how I saw Amos in my head from reading the books, but he is so good in it I can't see anyone else playing him at this point and he has made the book character retroactively better.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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lamaros
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Finally watched S4.
Feels like the show is falling apart a bit with the need to rewrite stuff to fit for tv. Loses much of the appeal of the books for me in doing so. Bobbie has never done much for me but Advarasala is completely wasted with this hack election crap.
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