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Title: "The Expanse" by Amazon [Formerly by Syfy]
Post by: Bungee on January 19, 2015, 04:19:26 AM
Trailer etc.  (http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse)

Seems like a legit effort by Syfy, I'm intrigued.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Evildrider on January 19, 2015, 04:47:45 AM
How Thomas Jane has fallen :(


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Bunk on January 19, 2015, 09:39:40 AM
Fallen? From being the Punisher, or from being a Gigolo on tv?


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Signe on January 19, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
I've never even heard of him so I suppose it's a step up for me.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Threash on January 19, 2015, 10:29:30 AM
How could you not? he was a vegan cop on Scott Pilgrim!


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Johny Cee on January 19, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
Fallen? From being the Punisher, or from being a Gigolo on tv?

He was in Boogie Nights, to film star (Punisher, the Mist, etc.) to HBO to...  Syfy channel.


I managed to make it through the first book in this series, and found it pretty meh, though there seems to be a bunch of people who love it.  The plot was Scoobie Doo levels of extremely complicated shenanigans and the antagonist made no sense.

The world is kind of more interesting.  Earth with the numbers, Mars is independent and more technologically advanced, and they balance each other out so that the other settlements in the asteroid belt/around other planets in the solar system maintain some independence.  I mean, it's incredibly convenient that Mars is somehow technologically ahead of Earth balance out their numbers advantage and blah-blah-blah.


It was like reading bad Scalzi.  Everything John Scalzi writes fits together like a perfect jiggsaw puzzle, but generally people enjoy him enough or find enough nuance in the portrayals to give him a pass on his convenient plotting.  The Expanse books felt just as ridiculously engineered but without that charm to make you overlook it.

But then again, the books have been pretty popular so what do I know.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: HaemishM on January 19, 2015, 12:44:55 PM
Could be good. It's got a decent cast.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on January 19, 2015, 04:15:07 PM
I enjoyed the series somewhat. The central characters began to grate after a while--you could buy them being at the center of events once but not every time, though there was some effort to explain how their accidental celebrity began to be a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. It could make for decent space opera if they put some money into it.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Signe on January 19, 2015, 04:55:06 PM
How could you not? he was a vegan cop on Scott Pilgrim!

You know, I think that's the only thing I ever saw him in.  I looked him up, though, and he looked familiar.  Thanks for the reference.  I looked up some of those comics, too, and I really hope this is good.  It looks really fun.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tannhauser on January 19, 2015, 05:15:06 PM
Looks pretty good.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Johny Cee on January 19, 2015, 09:22:12 PM
I enjoyed the series somewhat. The central characters began to grate after a while--you could buy them being at the center of events once but not every time, though there was some effort to explain how their accidental celebrity began to be a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. It could make for decent space opera if they put some money into it.


Being circumspect so as not to spoiler:

I didn't get it.  There were some parts that showed promise, but too often it felt like they knew where they wanted to go and weren't afraid to massively hand-wave shit to get there while winking and saying "it's space opera"...  plus the Scooby Doo shenanigans and the Complete Monster antagonist with a plot that didn't make sense.  Literally, it was the Underwear Gnomes plan.

The author (Corey) is a pseudonym for the Daniel Abraham and writing partner.  Abraham is one of those guys that SFF boards love but he hasn't really had much mainstream success, and I wrote alot of the love off as fans trying to get behind a more accessible work of a beloved author.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ghambit on November 25, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
The pilot episode just released and I gotta say, it's pretty good.  Probably SyFy's best effort since BSG, as I don't consider Defiance to be a "best effort."  First thing you will notice... is this show has to cost the network a metric fuckton of money to make.  The CGI is pretty top notch and there's just enough viscerality to stave off the uncanny valley.  This is probably due in part to the filters used.  They've done a nice job eliminating video effect; things are suitably "dusty" in this sense.  

The overarching ambiance of the show fits together nicely, and some scenes are frankly pretty breathtaking.  Script?  Fairly well writ, though get ready to crank up the volume as there's a lot of hushed tones and complex jargon to pick up on.  The acting is passable, with a few notable faces of course.

That said, it does indeed feel like Game of Thrones in space (as reviewers have stated).  Personally, I'm not a huge fan of GoT.  Way too many characters and subplots to follow.  This show follows a similar methodology.  That, and expect it to be heavily serialized.

I suspect many will fall in love with it, but for me... I dunno, probably not.  And I'm as hardcore a sci-fi geek as there is.  In the sci-fi sense, this show has just about everything you'd want to see; from augments, to low-G mutant sexcapades, to capital ships and space stations.  Then again, this is just the pilot and the remainder of the series may be clownshoes.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Bunk on November 27, 2015, 01:22:38 AM
Yeah, that was actually pretty good. Decently hard/gritty sci-fi. A few spots I was confused (what did the girl at the start see and freak out about?)
Nice strong ending. I want to see more.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Evildrider on November 27, 2015, 02:18:05 AM
Yeah, that was actually pretty good. Decently hard/gritty sci-fi. A few spots I was confused (what did the girl at the start see and freak out about?)
Nice strong ending. I want to see more.



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Raph on November 27, 2015, 05:31:43 PM
Book spoiler answer to your spoilered question:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tannhauser on November 29, 2015, 10:28:11 AM
Best show on Syfy since Battlestar Galactica.  I'm hooked.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Surlyboi on December 16, 2015, 08:56:41 PM
This is so fucking good, it's not funny. Gritty, dark and realistic enough to pass a bunch of bullshit tests.

I dig.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Quinton on December 17, 2015, 02:24:03 AM
It diverges from the books in a number of ways (some of which make a lot of sense for a TV adaptation, some less so), but nothing that fundamentally breaks it.  Definitely enjoying it.  Hasn't been any solid grungy spaceships sci-fi on TV since BSG.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on December 17, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
Holy crap.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Johny Cee on December 17, 2015, 03:53:13 PM
It diverges from the books in a number of ways (some of which make a lot of sense for a TV adaptation, some less so), but nothing that fundamentally breaks it.  Definitely enjoying it.  Hasn't been any solid grungy spaceships sci-fi on TV since BSG.

From what I've read, the major change is the TV show is following characters that are important in later books in season one, so that you are introduced to major characters in season 2 etc now.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Venkman on December 17, 2015, 06:56:27 PM
Yea pretty much just that.

This show captures the books almost perfectly. I'd agree with the best since BSG comment, except I haven't watched anything on SyFy since BSG :-)


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Segoris on December 17, 2015, 08:24:33 PM
So yeah, this is really good.

As for SyFy's shows, this year has actually been okay for them. The Expanse being the best one so far, imo. Dark Matter, 12 Monkeys, and Killjoys were good enough to watch. And I like Dominion well enough to keep it on my DVR (though that started in 2014 I think).


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Merusk on December 30, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
There was a min-marathon on this morning and I gave it a shot for two and a half episodes. ( end of ep1, all of 2 and 3) I'll pass.

There might be a good story here, but I couldn't tell. Three things killed it for me:

1) The heavy Orange/ Teal "all scenes must be one color" cinematography. It was obnoxious and led to a very flat, boring look.

2) There's no low-end on the sound. I've got hearing loss but even I picked-up the terrible audio, meaning it was incredibly hard to hear most of the talking. (Why is sound compression a thing on a TV show?)  I checked on both the other TVs to be sure it wasn't just the one in the bedroom. I know the female Persian woman from other things and her voice was totally off so I couldn't understand her, which is what tipped me to it.

3) The concept felt like it was trying too hard. I didn't care about Mars, Earth or the guys on the blown-up shuttle (freighter?) It felt more like I was jumping into the middle of a long-running series. When I found out I wasn't in the middle I realized there was no more backstory I couldn't get into it. I hate in medias res in general, though, so that's very me-specific.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on December 30, 2015, 09:53:15 PM
Don't agree on the story--it's nice to have something that just jumps in and trusts in the intelligence of the audience.

But agree on the sound editing. It's actually pretty terrible on most of the dialogue.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on December 31, 2015, 05:44:57 AM
Agree about the orange & teal palette, it's egregious. However it's almost universally endemic now so I have to try and shrug it off or I find 95% of all shows and films annoying.

Also agree about the terrible sound. So, so muddy. But, after the first episode I started being able to understand the dialogue much better. I think I've adjusted to the accents, which are pretty well done. It reminded me of watching The Wire the first time, when I had to put subtitles on for a few episodes and then it all started to become clear.

Those two technical issues aside though, I'm loving this. I think it's very well done and it's a nice change to see some hard science fiction that isn't dross. I was quite impressed when I saw a Δv symbol on a tracking monitor on one of the ships  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Threash on December 31, 2015, 11:05:08 AM
Yeah, I'm enjoying the hell out of this.  I hope the ratings are good enough to justify the cost because i want to know where the story goes.  I guess i could just read the books if it gets canceled.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Margalis on January 01, 2016, 09:40:30 PM
I've heard some people say the sound is really good, and others say it's really bad. Maybe it depends on your setup. Using just TV speakers I do find it hard to understand some of the dialogue in parts.

Overuse of filters and post-processing normally bothers me a lot but I didn't mind in this. That's why I never got into Breaking Bad, the first episode was so desaturated and brown with filters that I couldn't watch it.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tannhauser on January 02, 2016, 04:49:48 AM
Syfy's website for this show is pretty cool if you're like me and wanted some more background on the setting.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: slog on January 03, 2016, 04:30:45 PM
Thanks to this thread, I gave it a shot.  Loving the series so far.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ghambit on January 03, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
I wanna invest in it, but later on does it get any more grounded?  I can't do another scatterbrained over-plotted series. 


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on January 03, 2016, 04:44:34 PM
If they stick to the books, it will eventually get overplotted, yes. Quite considerably so.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Shannow on January 04, 2016, 08:30:02 AM
Caught this over the weekend. Rather good. Mars Navy are badass...


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Furiously on January 07, 2016, 07:16:55 PM
Glad to see Syfy has all the episodes up for streaming. It's pretty good.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tannhauser on January 07, 2016, 07:24:50 PM
Really enjoying this.  I like the stranded crew storyline as well as the Julie Mao storyline. 



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: SurfD on January 08, 2016, 02:31:01 AM
If they stick to the books, it will eventually get overplotted, yes. Quite considerably so.

I dont know, compared to the shit going on at any given time in Game of Thrones, the Expanse series is usually fairly tightly wound.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on January 08, 2016, 07:47:05 AM
That's true enough. I think it's mostly the level of contrivance required to keep the central characters involved in every major event in the solar system starts to become strained.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tebonas on January 08, 2016, 07:56:15 AM
I didn't read the books but I'm willing to endure a bit of Forest Gumping for the sake of a good story. I like the TV series, its the best thing that came out of SyFy since BSG, and calling them out on plot contrivances seems a bit petty to me.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on January 08, 2016, 08:30:59 AM
Also the show is in the build up to the crap storm really errupting phase as well. I am sure a lot of people who never read the book are looking at the miller stuff and wondering what the hell does this have to do with anything.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ghambit on January 08, 2016, 09:17:39 AM
Godammit fine.  I will get into this. (on the premise it's not completely GoT-plodding)  :uhrr:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on January 08, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
I am sure a lot of people who never read the book are looking at the miller stuff and wondering what the hell does this have to do with anything.

That's exactly the position I am in. Starting to see some connections now though.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on January 08, 2016, 11:57:57 AM
I am sure a lot of people who never read the book are looking at the miller stuff and wondering what the hell does this have to do with anything.

That's exactly the position I am in. Starting to see some connections now though.

At the rate they are going it should start getting clearer and clearer in the next episode or two and then shit gets really real. And while it seems like the whole julie mao thing is a weird side story it really is not.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on January 08, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
I totally get that, this clearly isn't the kind of show where they show you things to pad out the 45 minutes. That awareness alone makes me try and pay attention to everything.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Hayduke on January 08, 2016, 07:47:55 PM
There's way less moving parts than GoT. But there's a lot to set up the world I guess and the episodes are kind of short compared to GoT. And since it's basic cable they can't just shoot porn scenes and have a monologue in the foreground as an info dump. It shouldn't sprawl into a gigantic ensemble cast like GoT where you go chapters or episodes without seeing your favorite character. The main cast is probably going to remain a lot smaller than BSG. Things will clear up.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Slayerik on January 15, 2016, 11:09:06 AM
Not much more to say than I'm liking this. Go Syfy channel!


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tannhauser on January 15, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
Didn't care for the torture scenes.  Boring.  Enjoyed the Rocinate crew and Fred Johnson. God I love that name for some reason. 


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Shannow on January 15, 2016, 05:13:12 PM
Personally I like his other name


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Venkman on January 15, 2016, 08:22:13 PM
I think I'm now finally beginning to understand what it felt like for GoT book fans (which I was) when people who never read the books started watching the HBO series (which I've never seen).

Like Hayduke said, this doesn't have nearly as much going on as GoT did. The story is way more linear with clear resolution points at the end of each book, and there's never more than four long concurrent storylines going on, which all converge by each book's end.
 
It's space opera in that Corey spends a lot of time setting the stage. But it's not so opera that each character is a whole series unto themselves like GoT became in later books.

I don't agree with Khaldun though: this never really gets overplotted outsiide of a half of one of the books.

I want this to be successful mostly because as cool as the first season could be when it ends (assuming it aligns with the end of the first book), the end of Cibola Burn is even better (though that was the book which included the overplotted portion).


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: jgsugden on January 31, 2016, 04:18:52 PM
Binged the first 8 over the past 2 days. I think it works better as a binge. I won't be calling it Got in space, but I am enjoying it.  Filters and sound are bad, some of the acting is not up to snuff, and some of the science seems odd ... but there is a lot I am really enjoying.  I have a feeling I'll have forgotten everything important when season 2 breaks. A lot to hold onto for 9 months.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Margalis on January 31, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
So far only two things really rub me the wrong way:

Holden's acting and character - just super bland. It's like he's playing "generic guy" character. Some interesting things have happened to him but none of that really comes through in the script or the performance. I mean, him reporting the derelict got all his friends killed, you figure that would make some impact on his character beyond just casually mentioning it once or twice.

The idea that hidden codes would be printed on a fucking scroll in a safe - just lol.

I really love Jane in this - his accent, his beaten-down body language, etc.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on January 31, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
The codes thing isn't so weird, something similar is used for nuclear codes to this day (there is a safe containing pieces of paper with the challenge authenticators on them). Hardcopy can't be hacked, there's an assumption that the safe won't be accessible to unfriendlies long enough to non-destructively open it.

As for Holden, he had the same problem in the book. It gets worse.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Slayerik on February 01, 2016, 11:28:10 AM
I really don't like the UN Deputy ambassador or whatever lady. Her voice just pisses me off.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: jgsugden on February 01, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
I really don't like the UN Deputy ambassador or whatever lady. Her voice just pisses me off.
She gave the best performance of the series in one of the last two episodes -


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Raph on February 01, 2016, 06:40:01 PM
She's an excellent actress... first popped up on my radar in 24 I think?

Get used to her or give up, her character is pivotal to the entire series... in some ways in the real heroine.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Margalis on February 01, 2016, 09:03:46 PM
I really don't like the UN Deputy ambassador or whatever lady. Her voice just pisses me off.

It feels like she's supposed to be a morally grey character in terms of actions (maybe even generally good but with a bunch of realpolitik), but the way she is played makes it seem like we're supposed to dislike her. The accent is certainly part of that - she comes across as very upper-caste.

In the scene where she was sharing details about her son's death it felt like manipulation to me. Not sure if that is intentional or not. I don't mind the performance at all though. Though I also wouldn't mind if her character is eventually shot into space.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on February 02, 2016, 12:35:49 AM
Her voice is certainly very deep. In my head she's called Bari White. Is that racist? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on February 04, 2016, 02:55:20 AM
Watched episode 9 last night. Shit got crazy fast.

Also the telescope in the dead ambassador's office was pointed the wrong way round.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Shannow on February 04, 2016, 06:22:02 AM
I like her, if nothing else for the gorgeous threads they put her in each episode (she must be the costume designer's fantasy). Holden is usually pretty annoying but I enjoyed his interaction with Jane in the finale.

Season 2 is confirmed but looks like we'll have to wait a year to see it. Bummer. Might have to try 12 monkeys.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on February 04, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
If you have not seen it deffinately give 12 monkies a shot. I was pretty dubious when I heard about it but the production values are really high and it wound up being way more interesting than I had any right to expect it to be.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Margalis on February 05, 2016, 04:12:03 AM
I wasn't a big fan of the finale. The first 20 minutes or so, showing old events from a new perspective, didn't really introduce new information or advance the plot, and was more "hmm our plot is pretty complicated let's do an extended recap." (To be fair which one is the Anubis and which one the Scopuli I did find pretty confusing)

The wandering around in the tunnels felt bit uncharacteristically cheap, and the whole thing just felt dragged out. It was enough content for 1.5 episodes, stretched into 2.

That said still looking forward to a season 2.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Viin on February 05, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
I didn't mind the finale. When fast-forwarding through commercials it was pretty much exactly an hour long, so only a little longer than the traditional 40mins.

I still get confused about what ship they are on/talking about, even though I try to pay attention to that since it's somewhat important. Reading the books doesn't seem to help with that when watching the show, though I generally know where to *expect* people to be in various time frames.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Phildo on February 05, 2016, 11:39:25 AM
Was anyone else bothered by how expansive the Roci's deck was?  Spaced is supposed to be at a premium in spaceships and it feels wasteful, especially on a military ship.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Mandella on February 05, 2016, 02:34:02 PM
Was anyone else bothered by how expansive the Roci's deck was?  Spaced is supposed to be at a premium in spaceships and it feels wasteful, especially on a military ship.

Not really, as there is plenty of space in space, so to speak.

The reason we see cramped spaceships in modern times is due to the horrible thrust to fuel to mass ratio we're trapped in with chemical rockets. It costs so much fuel to move a mass, then you have to have even more fuel to move the mass of the fuel you added to move the original mass -- it hits a hard limit pretty soon. The ships of The Expanse don't seem to have that problem, as they have found some way to get enough energy out of the tube to keep constant g thrusting going for days at a time. Cuts solar system travel time down to weeks instead of years and plus means you don't have to care as much about each and every little gram. Also means you can pretend to have gravity for the trip.

But while we're talking about how things appear-- Have we maybe finally crossed the threshold to where enough of the mainstream audience doesn't expect to see WWII style combat in space that we can finally move ahead to what things might actually look like? I mean, I love me some Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica, but each one of those and more supposedly set-in-space shows feed right into the common visualization of WWII era fighter planes and battleships duking it out on and over the high seas. Maybe, just maybe enough people have been raised watching real live people operate real live spaceships in space (I count robots probes in that too) that we can expect at least better settings in future set-in-space shows, if not better stories.

Anyhoo. Loved the show, can't wait for next season.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Merusk on February 05, 2016, 03:40:19 PM
The space battles in early B5 were some of the best for that shit. The fighters in particular carried out newtonian physics and on-point turns really awesomely. It wasn't until later seasons when it became closer to swoopy WW2 fighting but still maintained a lot of the earlier concepts.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Mandella on February 05, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
The space battles in early B5 were some of the best for that shit. The fighters in particular carried out newtonian physics and on-point turns really awesomely. It wasn't until later seasons when it became closer to swoopy WW2 fighting but still maintained a lot of the earlier concepts.

I'm going to lose a lot of nerd cred for this, but I never watched Babylon 5. No good reason, just "never got around to it."

Looks like I've been missing out.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Margalis on February 05, 2016, 09:22:14 PM
Only the first 2 seasons are worth watching.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 05, 2016, 10:58:59 PM
The books go into a bit more detail on the Epstein drive, although it's still a bit of a handwaving Macguffin: It's an extremely efficient form of fusion drive, developed as an advance on an ordinary fusion torch drive by a man who wanted to reach another star (so he needed more efficiency in order to get up to relativistic speeds). But he left behind the plans, and it became the standard space drive  (this had various economic effects, for example the Canterbury was a first-generation slowboat colony ship that was refitted and used for an ice-hauler).

A lot of what has dictated the tight confines of our spaceships has also been the problem of re-entry, the more surface area that has to be protected from the heat of re-entry aero-braking the higher the risk (the shuttle might seem like an exception...but is it really?). Ships that can bring themselves to an orbital halt and ease into the atmosphere (or that will never enter atmosphere at all) don't have that concern. Cube-square law, if you double the radius of a solid you square the amount of surface but cube the amount of volume, so if you're not trimming down to the absolute minimum, you may as well give yourself room to move around.

--Dave

EDIT: The Rocinante/Tachi is also a gunship with a monster drive for its size (the book notes that it is capable of acclerations that would kill the crew even with drugs and high-tech acceleration couches). It was designed for a much larger crew (20 plus a contingent of Marines), so with 4 people they have a little spare space.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on February 06, 2016, 12:50:32 AM
Another point about the size of the Rocinante - we make space vehicles small and light today because we have to launch them from a planet. Getting out of gravity wells requires a LOT of delta v. Every kilogram you have to push into orbit needs at least 10 times it's weight in fuel. If you're building ships in space that aren't intended to ever land on anything bigger than small moons and asteroids then you can be a lot more liberal with the mass.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Phildo on February 06, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
It was designed for a much larger crew (20 plus a contingent of Marines), so with 4 people they have a little spare space.

This is the best point, I think.  I had forgotten about the originally intended crew compliment.  Otherwise, despite not needing to worry about atmospheric flight, it's still a combat ship in a universe where they are lobbing torpedoes at each other across vast distances, so presenting a slimmer target would seem like one of the most important things.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 07, 2016, 12:16:05 AM
It was designed for a much larger crew (20 plus a contingent of Marines), so with 4 people they have a little spare space.

This is the best point, I think.  I had forgotten about the originally intended crew compliment.  Otherwise, despite not needing to worry about atmospheric flight, it's still a combat ship in a universe where they are lobbing torpedoes at each other across vast distances, so presenting a slimmer target would seem like one of the most important things.
They're lobbing *nukes* at each other across vast distances. "CQB", Close Quarters Battle where the gatlings and railguns come into play, is supposed to be an extremely rare event (the gatlings are primarily for point defense, the railguns for attacking unarmed or nearly unarmed ships that won't surrender and you don't want to nuke).

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 07, 2016, 04:34:19 PM
Just binged it the last two days. Liked it quite a bit and good adaptation considering its SyFy and TV.  I agree that some of the casting is off to my mind (mostly on the too young side for Holden and Amos, who in particular should be much more grizzled but I actually do like this guy's performance). Lots of other good choices though, particular Cutty from The Wire and Johnson and Jared Harris as Dawes (who knew Lane could be such a badass brute).

I must be seriously mis-remembering the book or accelerating some events from the second half that they didn't cover because

Book spoiler, don't click unless you want a major spoiler:


I think Caliban's War is actually the better book and they can do some really interesting stuff with it.  So good work SyFy building a good base to move forward.

Someone up thread mentioned that there are 4 books. There are actually 5 (6th one comes out in August). I have the newest one on my shelf but haven't cracked it yet.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 07, 2016, 05:00:38 PM
EDIT: Book based spoilers, don't read just because you're caught up on the show.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 07, 2016, 05:05:57 PM
Oh ya. Thanks.  Bad memory.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Venkman on February 14, 2016, 12:50:39 PM
Holden's acting and character - just super bland. It's like he's playing "generic guy" character. Some interesting things have happened to him but none of that really comes through in the script or the performance. I mean, him reporting the derelict got all his friends killed, you figure that would make some impact on his character beyond just casually mentioning it once or twice.

There's a backstory to Holden they haven't gotten into yet (can't remember if it even comes up before book 3), but what you don't like about his acting is actually him acting the role as defined in the book. He's pretty much a bland character that shit happens to but he makes the right decisions because he's trying to be decent.

It's just that there's a very narrow gulf between "play the everymane" and "play super bland" :-)


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: slog on February 20, 2016, 12:03:47 PM
Read the first book and halfway through the second one.  The writing really falls apart in the second.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Venkman on February 20, 2016, 11:13:01 PM
Read the first book and halfway through the second one.  The writing really falls apart in the second.
Oh yea, you gotta get sucked into the story to get through the writing that otherwise starts to get in the way. Corey is a very new writer. He starts to get more polished around book 4 (I think book 3 was the weakest iirc).

The only reason I started reading him was before Leviathan was on special and while I don't mind paying for kindle books, I don't like paying more than $4 per book. I consume them too quickly to justify higher costs. So instead I've lowered my standards of quality  :grin:

Currently going through all of Sanderson's stuff. Actually, after reading the latest Mistborn, I think I've gotten through everything. I'm sure a bunch of you don't like him for whatever reason. But he's got a great imagination, remains pretty self-consistent, and doesn't mind having completely different universes with completely different rules.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 21, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
It's actually a "they" not a "him."  It's two guys writing under a pseudonym, so you will have some variability in the writing style book to book and even chapter to chapter I have noticed.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Raph on February 22, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
Read the first book and halfway through the second one.  The writing really falls apart in the second.
Oh yea, you gotta get sucked into the story to get through the writing that otherwise starts to get in the way. Corey is a very new writer.

One half of Corey is. The other half is Daniel Abraham, who is spectacularly good on his own. He did the Long Price Quartet, which is truly phenomenal, and is working through The Dagger and the Coin series -- next book is book 6 and last I think.

He also wrote some entertaining urban fantasies as M. L. N. Hanover.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 01, 2017, 11:51:03 PM
Solid opening to the second season tonight. They are really jumbling around the order of some stuff if my (admittedly faulty memory) is any guide.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on February 02, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
Goddamn, that was indeed an excellent double episode. Marred very slightly by having to pause it every 15 mins to explain to my wife what was going on. She really struggles to understand what they're saying.

I did laugh at the breaching pods labelled FedEx  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 02, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
They're obviously taking some liberties, looks like they are going to compress the last half of the first book with all of the second (skipping the Ganymede subplot completely).

Still awesome. Bobby Draper throws you, she looks like a little 'china doll', then you realize she's 6 freaking feet tall and could probably break me over her knee.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on February 06, 2017, 02:59:58 PM
They're obviously taking some liberties, looks like they are going to compress the last half of the first book with all of the second (skipping the Ganymede subplot completely).

Still awesome. Bobby Draper throws you, she looks like a little 'china doll', then you realize she's 6 freaking feet tall and could probably break me over her knee.

--Dave

The fact they were able to find an actress of similar stature to the book as well as heritage is pretty impressive go go human diversity.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Engels on February 07, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Most people probably don't care too much, but I figure F13 may: I really really like the fact that space ship combat at least tries to stick to realistic intertial space physics rather than starwars pewpew.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on February 08, 2017, 05:17:43 AM
I also really care about that. And I also really care that they use realistic space travel physics. If you pause it when they're showing charts and graphics of ships in flight and routes etc, it's proper orbital mechanics. Someone done been playing some Kerbals.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 09, 2017, 12:05:15 AM
(skipping the Ganymede subplot completely).

Maybe not.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 09, 2017, 12:21:29 AM
(skipping the Ganymede subplot completely).

Maybe not.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 09, 2017, 02:42:16 AM
They just dropped the name as their next destination, so the place itself will come into play in some way I imagine. 



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on February 22, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
They did the ending of Leviathan really well even if it is odd in its placement within the tv series.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MrHat on February 23, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
Haven't read the books.

I have enjoyed this TV show tremendously though.  Just great all the way through.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: pants on February 24, 2017, 04:34:56 AM
Haven't read the books.

I have enjoyed this TV show tremendously though.  Just great all the way through.

Yep, me too.  Really good tv.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on March 02, 2017, 12:19:40 AM
They are doing an amazing job with this show.  Great version of the start of Caliban's War and they are finally getting Avarasala's character closer to the awesome book version.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Hayduke on March 02, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
Yah I really like this. Took me until season four of GoT to regard the ASoIaF books as the novelizations of HBO's Game of Thrones. This show did it much faster.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Engels on March 03, 2017, 12:09:21 PM
Honestly our week revolves around this show now. It's as thrilling as GoT for me.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on March 03, 2017, 02:59:05 PM
Honestly our week revolves around this show now. It's as thrilling as GoT for me.

Same here, just superb. The pacing is relentless (I haven't read the books). And I am transfixed by Avasarala's outfits. I think she's my favourite character in it.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ironwood on March 03, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
Why does the UK not have s2 yet ?

 :heartbreak:


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on March 03, 2017, 06:13:58 PM
Why does the UK not have s2 yet ?

 :heartbreak:
Revenge for BSG.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ironwood on March 04, 2017, 02:33:01 AM
Yeah, we do seem to get some stuff really early lately, so I should probably just shut my yap.

But I liked S1 a bit and you guys seem to be creaming about s2, so it makes me sad.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on April 12, 2017, 10:45:01 PM
Man, they are just fucking killing it this season.  Sooooo good.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Threash on April 13, 2017, 05:43:28 PM
This show is SO good.  I didn't think Thomas Jane had it in him to be honest.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 13, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
This show is SO good.  I didn't think Thomas Jane had it in him to be honest.
If they follow the books at all (and they seem to be trying to for the critical bit), you'll see more of him in a season or two.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: jgsugden on April 13, 2017, 07:03:18 PM
I have the season sitting on my DVR unwatched. Watch or delete?


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on April 13, 2017, 08:33:05 PM
Which season? Season 1 is a bit of a slow burn but Season 2 has been killing it week to week and is worth going through 1.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 13, 2017, 08:47:42 PM
Season 1 is worth it for itself, although the sfx on Eros are a little B-movie grade. And it's really important for setting up season 2, which has been awesome.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on April 13, 2017, 08:58:33 PM
Ya, didn't mean to come off like Season 1 was not good.  I loved it, but it doesn't have the momentum that Season 2 does and you'd be pretty lost without having seen it.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on April 14, 2017, 06:48:17 AM
You kind of need Season 1 to get that these guys don't start as best buddies, and how Holden ends up a celebrity the first time, and a lot of other backstory that has continuing significance.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Threash on April 14, 2017, 09:08:37 AM
You need season 1 because it's extremely good and far better than almost anything else on TV.  Just because season 2 is better doesn't mean skipping season 1 should even be in discussion.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Signe on April 14, 2017, 09:24:03 AM
I have the season sitting on my DVR unwatched. Watch or delete?

You should watch it all.  I even like it and I'm not a huge science fiction fan for the most part.  Between this show and Better Call Saul, I'm a happy tv watcher right now.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: jgsugden on April 14, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
The second season is waiting on my DVR.  I had mixed feelings about season 1.  I will queue Season 2 up and burn through it one of these weekends.  Thanks everyone. 


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: grebo on April 15, 2017, 08:22:02 AM
I'm a couple episodes into the second season and am noticing the typical syfy slide.  Weaker acting, poor plot choices, etc.  Especially those martian marines.  I really hope they all die horribly, they are barely tolerable.  Still solid performances from a lot of the leads though.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Threash on April 15, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
The plot choices are from the books.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on April 20, 2017, 08:59:25 PM
I think the acting's been great. Plot is from the books, and it's mostly great. Not sure how I'll feel about a particular character from the 3rd book that I didn't like so much, but otherwise, fine.

If you don't like all those marines, well, keep watching.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: grebo on April 21, 2017, 11:37:39 AM
Watched through E5 last night.  Much better.  Totally hooked again.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on April 21, 2017, 09:28:29 PM
Frankly, the transition to the 2nd book's plot is rough--it's even rough in the books.

Reading the 5th book now and pretty surprised at the status quo shakeup in the middle. Will be interested if the show gets that far.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: apocrypha on April 22, 2017, 01:47:54 AM
The acting's mostly been good but one scene in the last episode of the season made me cringe.


Other than that though, loved season 2. I'm itching to read the books but I think I'll wait until the show is finished.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: lamaros on October 05, 2017, 07:17:21 PM
I've binge watched a bit of this over the last few days.

Its quite good (hence the binge watching), but there is some very uneven acting, and some choices about how the characters are portrayed that I think diverges from the books for the worse. Or maybe it's just bad acting there too?

Sadly I think the guy playing Holden is one of these areas.

Makes me want to re-read the books though. I stopped after book 3 last time because it just lost it too much for me.

Having read the books I think helps me enjoy the show more, but it does also make me wonder at the direction sometimes: they belabour poignant points to the extent they strip them of impact a bit too often, especially when it comes at the cost of a little more (already written) supporting context.



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on October 05, 2017, 07:37:00 PM
I liked that sequence. It is actually a prequel short story called The Drive (http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/drive/prequel.php) that they put out first in an anthology and then as a booklet as part of a Con promo.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: lamaros on October 05, 2017, 07:49:31 PM
I liked that sequence. It is actually a prequel short story called The Drive (http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/drive/prequel.php) that they put out first in an anthology and then as a booklet as part of a Con promo.

Ah, I guess that explains it. The book reference is quite glib (in a funny way) IIRC, so I thought the show writers had made it up to try and force emotion in. I'm (obviously) not up to date.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on October 05, 2017, 08:08:42 PM
Was definitely a tonal shift, so I could see how it was a bit jarring. I just thought it was well executed and in step with the whole "real physics" aspect of the books/show.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: lamaros on October 05, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
One thing I remember from the books that seems missing most from the show so far (only a few episodes in to season 2),



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on October 05, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
If memory serves they actually make a pretty good joke about it later in season 2.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ironwood on October 06, 2017, 03:16:50 AM
I liked that sequence. It is actually a prequel short story called The Drive (http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/drive/prequel.php) that they put out first in an anthology and then as a booklet as part of a Con promo.

It didn't really belong in the episode though ;  True Story -  I can't remember how he got out of his predicament.  I literally can't remember the last bit when he was getting sandwiched and couldn't switch it off.

Of course, I'm senile, so there's that.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on October 06, 2017, 03:20:32 AM
I can't remember how he got out of his predicament. 

I have bad news for you my friend.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ironwood on October 06, 2017, 03:25:36 AM
Really ?  Goddamn..



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on October 06, 2017, 03:29:11 AM
That's why I like it. Physics don't play.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tale on October 06, 2017, 08:15:40 AM
Physics don't provide an afterlife neither, so how are we hearing his story? Also, as physics don't play, how did they know what he had done and how to replicate it?

P.S. I liked it and I will not hear a bad word said about The Expanse, except maybe the acting of the guy who plays Diogo.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on October 06, 2017, 08:51:06 AM
Physics don't provide an afterlife neither, so how are we hearing his story? Also, as physics don't play, how did they know what he had done and how to replicate it?

P.S. I liked it and I will not hear a bad word said about The Expanse, except maybe the acting of the guy who plays Diogo.


Because his wife knew what he was doing and what he intended and they had solid tracking data on him all the way. So anybody watching saw a ship do what was thought impossible and worked until they were able to recreate what he did.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: SurfD on October 09, 2017, 11:47:09 PM
I am pretty sure it was mentioned that he had left his research notes or something with his wife, so there was probably very little work that needed to be done to re-create what he had accomplished.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Teleku on October 10, 2017, 12:31:20 AM
Yeah, his notes were still in his workshop he mentioned.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 11, 2018, 10:50:37 PM
This is back, and immediately diverges so far from the books, I suspect they didn't have the rights to the sequels.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tale on April 12, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
I can't watch the new series yet where I am (without pirating), but they definitely still have the rights. The James SA Corey Twitter account (controlled by both novelists) has been all about the making of this series. They are still involved directly. Cast members have been eager to say that this season would shock and that it was the most intense for them, so perhaps they've diverged deliberately? BTW I request spoiler tags!


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: jgsugden on April 12, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
Like TWD, I suspect they'll diverge to increase interest, but the reroute will be superficial with book characters that die on the show replaced with similar characters, with events taking a different path but reaching the same conclusion, etc...


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 12, 2018, 08:48:59 PM
It's hard to see how they get from here to there as far as following the books, since literally the only thing this episode has in common with them is Chekov's Goo.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: lamaros on April 12, 2018, 10:00:23 PM
I enjoyed the series, but Holden was miscast for me (a shame, as some of the other casting choices are inspired), and I found it was detracting from my enjoyment of the books. So I can't watch it no more.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on April 13, 2018, 12:08:31 AM
"Pitch your tits and pucker up, it's time to peel the paint!"

Who cares if they are following the books beat by beat. This show is great.

As far as casting, I don't think Holden is wrong at all. My only beef on that front is that Amos should be older/more grizzled, but I like the actor's portrayal so much that I don't really care.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on April 13, 2018, 06:07:55 AM
The guy playing Amos gets him just right. Alex and Naomi too.

Holden works for me. He was always going to be toughest to cast. You don't want him to look too movie-star Dudley Do-Right so that you get the idea that he's almost falling into the role of being Savior of the Solar System through a series of accidents.

Bobbie Draper is working for me now too; she didn't always earlier on.

I wonder if the missionary lady is showing up this season.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on April 13, 2018, 09:07:20 AM
The guy playing Amos gets him just right. Alex and Naomi too.

Holden works for me. He was always going to be toughest to cast. You don't want him to look too movie-star Dudley Do-Right so that you get the idea that he's almost falling into the role of being Savior of the Solar System through a series of accidents.

Bobbie Draper is working for me now too; she didn't always earlier on.

I wonder if the missionary lady is showing up this season.


Yes the missionaries show up later this season I believe as I have seen some casting pics of her and some of the other priests.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on April 25, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
Now I want to see a Bobbie v. Amos throw-down SO BAD.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: MahrinSkel on April 25, 2018, 11:51:47 PM
Now I want to see a Bobbie v. Amos throw-down SO BAD.
In the books, it happens.


But I doubt we will follow that timeline. Hard to do a thirty year jump on TV.

--Dave


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: kaid on April 26, 2018, 11:07:28 AM
Now I want to see a Bobbie v. Amos throw-down SO BAD.
In the books, it happens.


But I doubt we will follow that timeline. Hard to do a thirty year jump on TV.

--Dave




Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on May 10, 2018, 12:13:01 AM
Shit just got REAL!


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: satael on May 11, 2018, 02:32:43 AM
Shit just got REAL!

Too real; 'The Expanse' cancelled at Syfy, will be shopped to other networks (http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2018/05/11/expanse-canceled-syfy-season-3/).


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on May 11, 2018, 04:28:22 AM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on May 11, 2018, 06:10:56 AM
I can see why, though--the deal is really bad for Syfy, because it's a very expensive show and the margins are thin for them. I hope Netflix or Amazon or Hulu pick it up.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Ard on May 11, 2018, 10:45:53 AM
Amazon seems likely.  They’ve been pushing it hard since they acquired the streaming rights, and have the money to burn.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tale on May 12, 2018, 04:11:40 AM
Although... Netflix streams it in the rest of the world (that's how I watch it in Australia, where it's not on Amazon - it also appears six months late and I can't legally watch it yet).


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: jgsugden on May 22, 2018, 08:50:40 AM
Amazon is eyeing a 4th Season pickup.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on May 24, 2018, 01:03:56 AM
Ha! You knew from the title they were going to do something like that but man they went all-in on the Delta-V.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: SurfD on May 24, 2018, 04:22:50 AM
Ha! You knew from the title they were going to do something like that but man they went all-in on the Delta-V.
Yep, having read the books, that episode title was a pretty awesome giveaway.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on May 25, 2018, 11:51:23 PM
Woot, its official. Amazon picked it up.  I forgive you Bezos for the extra 20 bucks you are tagging onto Prime.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Soln on May 25, 2018, 11:54:27 PM
I just started S1.  It's terrific. Glad there's more to look forward to.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on July 11, 2018, 07:04:16 AM
This has pretty much become my favorite SF episodic series.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Abagadro on July 12, 2018, 11:26:28 PM
Ya, its really good. The way they pulled off Abadon's Gate in only  half a season was pretty impressive.  Can't wait to see what they do from here with Amazon.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Soln on July 13, 2018, 12:10:04 AM
I’m in S2.  It's grand space opera, but the fact they give a shit about the characters and actually develop them is admirable.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on July 13, 2018, 09:00:33 AM
I'll be curious to see if they get on and off Ilus relatively quickly, as Cibola Burn is maybe the slowest of the books in plot terms. But it's overall really critical to establishing the new status quo, so they'll have to think carefully about it.

At the end of the 3rd season finale, my wife was like, "Oh, now it's going to be Star Trek and Holden will be like Kirk, that's sort of disappointing". I was like, nope.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Phildo on July 13, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but I was given the first three books as a trilogy and loved them.  Then I learned there were several more with no apparent end in sight.  Is it worth continuing on with the series or do we think it's going to end in frustration as these things often do?


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Bokonon on July 13, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but I was given the first three books as a trilogy and loved them.  Then I learned there were several more with no apparent end in sight.  Is it worth continuing on with the series or do we think it's going to end in frustration as these things often do?

It's a signed 9 book series, book 8 comes out this December, they have been releasing once a year the whole time (only delay was 6 months, from June to December, when the TV series started).


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Phildo on July 13, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
And do they hold up?


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Mandella on July 13, 2018, 01:03:03 PM
I'mma skipping over most of the comments here since you guys are spoiling the hell out of future developments (curse you literate people who read the book first!), but I just wanted to jump in and say that this last season was science fiction perfection for me. They even got the ships turned around right to show them braking into orbit (something they screwed up a couple of times in second season). Tech stuff that looked right, lots of zero-g action, reasonable human reactions to things, good political backdrop, and I don't think they ever "reversed the polarity" once.

Glad they got the Amazon gig. Can't wait to see what they do with it.

And Amos is perfect:



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on July 13, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
The books hold up so far, in my humble opinion. There is very little sense of stalling or padding--each book moves the status quo forward significantly, sometimes startlingly so. The characters are also getting older and that is making a difference. The antagonists are mostly interesting, complex and generally somewhat sympathetic in some way. Won't go into the details. The major shoe that has still to drop is anything particularly detailed about the Ultimate Menace which has made its appearance for the first time in the last few episodes of this season.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Bokonon on July 16, 2018, 01:50:37 PM
And do they hold up?

I would say Cibola Burn (the 4th book), is the weakest of the bunch, though if you are a big enough fan of the series, it's still pretty good.

The books (at least the first 4-5) were written (according to the authors) with specific themes in mind.

Book 1: Space Opera + Noir
Book 2: Space Opera + Tom Clancy
Book 3: Space Opera + Haunted house
Book 4: Space Opera + Western

I think I read an article that book 5 was Space Opera + War and Peace, but there might have been some joking involved. I am up-to-date on the books and am looking forward to see how they conclude the series in Books 8/9.

There are also novellas/short stories (4 or 5 I think), if you blow through the main books. At least 2 of the short stories have been turned into episodes/arcs in episodes.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: lamaros on July 16, 2018, 09:51:38 PM
My view (stated in the book thread, of all places) is that the first book is the best but that the later ones are still readable and enjoyable, if a bit more padded out. Got to expect that if they're churning one out every year, though.

Not sure they can deliver on the undercurrent they're been teasing, but will keep reading and see.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Khaldun on July 25, 2018, 01:23:19 PM
Showrunner gave an interview where he makes pretty clear that season 4 will not be entirely on Ilus, but will instead do some work back in the solar system also that will set up the transition to the fifth book's main plot arc.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-expanse-showrunner-talks-about-the-move-to-amazon-a-1827815805


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Syfy
Post by: Tale on February 11, 2019, 12:46:16 AM
All three seasons of The Expanse have just gone live on Amazon Prime video (Amazon's cheap Netflix equivalent), after Bezos saved the series. Season 4 coming soon.

It's no longer a Syfy network show, but it is the best sci-fi show right now.



Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Amazon [Formerly by Syfy]
Post by: Threash on February 13, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
I always forget how good this show is.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Amazon [Formerly by Syfy]
Post by: Tale on February 13, 2019, 11:35:11 PM
I had not read the books (I've started now) and the TV show always leads to "holy shit" moments for me.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Amazon [Formerly by Syfy]
Post by: Khaldun on February 14, 2019, 06:34:15 AM
It's just such a good combination: a long-term narrative arc that's not afraid to unsettle the status quo and where you believe (for good reason) that almost anything could happen; some relatable, interesting characters; some smart thinking about the politics and sociology of human society in this setting; and some serious respect for the technological underpinnings of the show.


Title: Re: "The Expanse" by Amazon [Formerly by Syfy]
Post by: Slayerik on February 26, 2019, 08:27:39 AM
Loved the books, loved the TV series. Keep em coming!!!