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Reply #350 on: May 24, 2016, 02:27:59 PM

I tend to agree with Schild. I literally have no drive for this game, and love Blizzard stuff with a passion.

Add a story/offline campaign or something and I'll bite, but between TF2 and The Division, my FPS/shoot 'em up itch is being very sufficiently scratched.

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Reply #351 on: May 24, 2016, 07:15:22 PM

My impression from the Beta was that this game requires you to be good (as in, twitchy and good at aiming) significantly less than TF2 does. That's enough for me to prefer it to TF2, I think, even though the latter is probably a better designed game overall.
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Reply #352 on: May 24, 2016, 07:31:13 PM

Note, I'm not saying this is bad. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it. This particular Blizzard game already existed, it just said Valve on the box.

Sure, but that didn't stop them from releasing Heroes of the Storm, either.  People who don't follow Dota or LoL don't really get the differences between any of these three games, they think they're just the same game with different titles, but there are pretty massive changes at a fundamental level that make the gameplay really very different.  Ditto the difference between Hearthstone and Magic: to everyone who doesn't play Magic, they're just two mostly identical trading card games.  Diablo or Starcraft are in the same space, basically: try explaining to someone who doesn't play RTS why Starcraft 2 is different from Starcraft 1.  That doesn't mean there are no differences, or that the differences aren't important, but people who aren't in to the genre are always going to look at it and go "I don't get why this is any different from the million other games which look the same to me".

I mean, sure, there are some similarities between Overwatch and TF2, but it's not like they're indistinguishable from each other, any more than World of Warcraft is indistinguishable from, like, Aion or Tera or whatever.  And while I loved TF2, it's almost ten years old at this point, I think it's good to see some innovation in the space.
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Reply #353 on: May 24, 2016, 07:31:56 PM

TF2 also really suffers at this point from the amount of shenanigans brought in by various unlocks. The game was extremely streamlined near launch, and with the exception of a few changes to engineer (upgradable teleporter and dispenser) and spy (cloak time from ammo), I don't really think much of what they did over the long haul has made the game better. When I log into a game and see a bunch of demo knights running around, I die a little inside.
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Reply #354 on: May 24, 2016, 07:36:04 PM

To call TF2 on its shenanigans as a way of excusing Blizzard for being derivative bitches once again is not acceptable.

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Reply #355 on: May 24, 2016, 07:37:35 PM

Note, I'm not saying this is bad. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it. This particular Blizzard game already existed, it just said Valve on the box.
It's TF2+Moba mechanics and trying to capitalize on the latter's popularity and later monetization strategy with new "heroes".

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Reply #356 on: May 24, 2016, 07:39:25 PM

They've said they aren't charging for new heroes, although I guess the skins for them are part of the monetization plan.

Also, yes, this is a TF2 clone. A good one. My point above was I'd rather play this, today, than TF2.
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Reply #357 on: May 24, 2016, 08:12:11 PM

I think people are actually confused as to what this is.

Think back to TF2 at release. That's a game that hasn't existed in many years. TF2 for the last, what, 5 years has been a complete mess.

There are no MOBA mechanics. It's a class based FPS game. Think quakeworld team fortress. Think TFC. Think TF2. There aren't two NPC sides, no towers, no feeding or whatever. It's not a fucking MOBA.

So, should this game exist? Of course it should! TF2 is fucking garbage and has been for a long, long time. You are all probably thinking fondly about what TF2 was, pre-hats and alt weapons. Not about what TF2 is now.

Go ahead and download TF2 and try it out. I'll wait. Then take a hard look at Overwatch and realize how poorly your memory functions in your (and my) old age.
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Reply #358 on: May 24, 2016, 08:17:13 PM

^ This guy is correct; I should amend my "better designed" comment to refer specifically to the first couple years of TF2, which was all I played.
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Reply #359 on: May 24, 2016, 08:20:03 PM

Yah, I'd rather pay $40 on the prospect of liking this than loading up TF2 for free for precisely the issues that Malakili and Nija have touched on. This was prime iteration fodder and it seems unsurprisingly that Blizzard did a decent job of it.

I just haven't bought this because I'm cheap, suck at shooters, and still having fun elsewhere. The sucking at shooters is probably the biggest hurdle at the moment.  awesome, for real

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Reply #360 on: May 24, 2016, 08:20:26 PM

Note, I'm not saying this is bad. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it. This particular Blizzard game already existed, it just said Valve on the box.

Sure, but that didn't stop them from releasing Heroes of the Storm, either.  

I actually give HOTS a pass. Valve nabbed DOTA from them when it really should've been made by Blizzard and they HAD to answer it in some fashion. It was expected of them at that point as DOTA was their domain, tangentially, since DOTA became a thing.
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Reply #361 on: May 24, 2016, 08:21:21 PM

Note, I'm not saying this is bad. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it. This particular Blizzard game already existed, it just said Valve on the box.
It's TF2+Moba mechanics and trying to capitalize on the latter's popularity and later monetization strategy with new "heroes".
What MOBA mechanics?

Nija already pointed out that was horseshit. No need to point it out further.
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Reply #362 on: May 24, 2016, 09:31:55 PM

I can see the confusion because there are A LOT of "MOBA-inspired" arena shooters coming out. This just isn't really one of them, other than some minor things likes calling every character a "hero" and having specific characters instead of classes.

It's weird to me that someone didn't copy TF2 earlier. The game really has been shit for forever. The design for this game is pretty much "like TF2, except the classes are named characters instead." Why didn't someone do that 5 years ago?

Then again Dragon Quest Builders is the first decently-budgeted Minecraft-style game. Almost unfathomable that it took that long.

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Reply #363 on: May 24, 2016, 10:00:01 PM

It's not as good as TF2 was at its prime (before TF2 became a mess). Overwatch's shooting feels off, there is way less depth and the character design is uninspired or misleading.

But if you're just looking for a casual FPS it works, its match-making works, and you should have fun with it.

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Reply #364 on: May 24, 2016, 11:02:34 PM

Yep, Hanzo is still a piece of shit.

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Reply #365 on: May 25, 2016, 12:24:40 AM

I just realized that the main reason I am having a decent amount of fun with this is that I can basically switch between 21 FPS weapons with a very distinct feeling at any given time. As soon as I am bored with how one feels, I can switch to another. And the hero skills are just an added bonus. It reminds me a lot of why I like Smite (the Arena, not the MOBA-lanes bullshit).

To me this feels a lot like Smite (Arena), which I loved, meet Team Fortress, which I loved.
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Reply #366 on: May 25, 2016, 04:41:38 AM

Note, I'm not saying this is bad. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around it. This particular Blizzard game already existed, it just said Valve on the box.
It's TF2+Moba mechanics and trying to capitalize on the latter's popularity and later monetization strategy with new "heroes".
What MOBA mechanics?

Nija already pointed out that was horseshit. No need to point it out further.
I say MOBA mechanics since it's a huge roster of heroes with roles but distinct abilities and ultimates. Seems MOBAish enough to me.

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Reply #367 on: May 25, 2016, 05:15:40 AM

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Reply #368 on: May 25, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

Then again Dragon Quest Builders is the first decently-budgeted Minecraft-style game. Almost unfathomable that it took that long.

I had not heard of this. It looks fucking awesome.

Forbes called Minecraft's crafting system willfully obtuse. Well, it's not as willfully obtuse as Squeenix not releasing it over here for PC.
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Reply #369 on: May 25, 2016, 11:41:17 AM

It's not here on any system, it seems, which is very what year is this lol.

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Reply #370 on: May 25, 2016, 02:29:09 PM

Paging RK47, Overwatch Porn off the starboard bow!

http://kotaku.com/inside-the-surprisingly-big-overwatch-porn-scene-1778229605 (yeah, do i need to stick a NTFW tag here?)

Oddly, Blizzard is starting to crack down on it now...

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Reply #371 on: May 25, 2016, 03:59:29 PM

Why?  Are they suddenly surprised? There's shitloads of WOW porn out there too. No big shocker there was going to be tons of Overwatch porn with much more attractive and human characters that lend to porn cosplay more easily.

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Reply #372 on: May 25, 2016, 04:05:35 PM

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Reply #373 on: May 25, 2016, 04:37:57 PM

No-one likes women with curves these days.

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Reply #374 on: May 25, 2016, 04:59:28 PM

No-one likes women with curves these days.
That's because the definition of curves has become fat chicks. You can blame MTV for that, but that's the reality we live in now.

Also, given the popularity of Christina Hendricks, and I presume your classical use of the word "curves," I'm going to go with "you're wrong, but she'd look stupid in Overwatch."
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Reply #375 on: May 25, 2016, 05:34:57 PM

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Reply #376 on: May 25, 2016, 06:10:28 PM

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Reply #377 on: May 25, 2016, 08:22:23 PM

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Reply #378 on: May 26, 2016, 03:08:49 AM

DISCLAIMER: It's my fault (I guess).

I just realized Overwatch costs 40, not 60. 60 is only for the Origins edition which is full of shit I don't give a single fuck about. But Blizzard hid the "regular" edition so well under walls and walls of advertising on their website that neither me nor any of my friends had the slightest idea that there was a 40$/€/£ edition anywhere.

What a masterpiece in misdirection and "marketing", fucking Blizzard.

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Reply #379 on: May 26, 2016, 04:32:40 AM

DISCLAIMER: It's my fault (I guess).

I just realized Overwatch costs 40, not 60. 60 is only for the Origins edition which is full of shit I don't give a single fuck about. But Blizzard hid the "regular" edition so well under walls and walls of advertising on their website that neither me nor any of my friends had the slightest idea that there was a 40$/€/£ edition anywhere.

What a masterpiece in misdirection and "marketing", fucking Blizzard.

Ah! Almost fell into the same trap myself, then I clicked alla cazzodicanesomewhere, err, randomly on the screen and found the hidden "standard edition"  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #380 on: May 26, 2016, 11:09:39 AM

a surprisingly large number of people must be playing this. i have seen more talk about this game across more communities since i've seen for anything in years.
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Reply #381 on: May 26, 2016, 11:27:47 AM

a surprisingly large number of people must be playing this. i have seen more talk about this game across more communities since i've seen for anything in years.

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Reply #382 on: May 26, 2016, 11:59:32 AM

A lot of people are playing this because it's not an exaggeration to say that this is the best shooter to come out in nearly a decade. Yeah it's fashionable to hate on Blizzard. Yeah, it's a TF2 clone. But it's really really good.
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Reply #383 on: May 26, 2016, 12:53:01 PM

I guess I travel in different circles because this has only come up here. This is not surprising to me.   awesome, for real

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Reply #384 on: May 26, 2016, 02:23:02 PM

a surprisingly large number of people must be playing this. i have seen more talk about this game across more communities since i've seen for anything in years.

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