THE FAPPENING (9/11 for Celebrity Privacy) (NSFW) (Obviously) ITT: NO TITTIES

[rattran]

Obvious troll is obvious.

I didn't say rape.  The foundation may be the same, but you're not rapists (AFAIK).

[Rendakor]

I'm kinda doing to others what I'd like done to me.  And whatnot.

If there are nudes of me out there, I'd want someone looking at them and getting aroused.

[Cyrrex]

Consider it done!

[Lantyssa]

I tried, but it didn't work.

[ajax34i]

Photoshop a little and retry.

[Paelos]

I'm kinda doing to others what I'd like done to me.  And whatnot.

If there are nudes of me out there, I'd want someone looking at them and getting aroused.

Same, for the hawtness.

In all seriousness, I believe these people took these pictures because they wanted to share them with someone. They have mirrors, they know what they look like naked. They didn't erase them, they kept them. They liked these pictures. They enjoyed taking these pictures. They weren't embarrassed of their bodies. In all likelihood they did send these pics to someone. There's not really such a thing as privacy once it leaves your control. Mark Sanchez is that example I used earlier.

The audience just got too big for them. The only part they don't like out of any of this is the audience, which negates the moral part of it for me. There are other examples where pictures got leaked of celebrities and we didn't have this discussion. We're picking and choosing what type of pictures matter just like they are picking and choosing what type of people matter. In the end, they made a mistake keeping something in an insecure matter that got leaked, and hopefully other people will learn from that error if they don't want something similar to happen.

[Ironwood]

In all seriousness, I believe these people took these pictures because they wanted to share them with someone.

 

[Paelos]

Honestly I think they did. I think they either wanted to show them to someone they were banging, or they got a psychological high from the risk that someone might see them. Because that's the narcissist in themselves. They love people looking at them and they love showing off. They lost control here.

I believe they aren't embarrassed of their bodies at all. QUITE the opposite. I believe they are pissed more at the possible PR hit and loss of income than anything. If you hate your body or are against nudity you don't take personal photos of yourself in compromising positions.

[01101010]

In all seriousness, I believe these people took these pictures because they wanted to share them with someone.

 

There is a point though... why else does someone take a picture of himself/herself in the first place? I see myself all the time, so I don't need to see photos of me. I take them to show other people. Meh...

[IainC]

Honestly I think they did. I think they either wanted to show them to someone they were banging, or they got a psychological high from the risk that someone might see them. Because that's the narcissist in themselves. They love people looking at them and they love showing off. They lost control here.

I believe they aren't embarrassed of their bodies at all. QUITE the opposite. I believe they are pissed more at the possible PR hit and loss of income than anything. If you hate your body or are against nudity you don't take personal photos of yourself in compromising positions.

I don't think a single one of the celebs who had their pictures stolen hate nudity or their bodies. There's a difference between sending a picture of yourself to a single, trusted person that you are emotionally connected to and just publishing your naked selfies to the wider web. Nothing wrong with either of those choices but the choice should be with the person who took the photos, not some random hacker. The rationalisations going on here are starting to echo the 'she secretly wanted it' rape apology which should not be a hill anyone wants to die on.

[Paelos]

And you would tell those same people that they are morons for sending naked photos, even to a trusted person. Because you understand the web and the risks.

What do we tell every single teenager using snapchat? What do we tell kids when it comes to the internet and photos? What do we as a society constantly remind people about their identity on the web?

Do you really think that they don't understand the risks here? I honestly don't think they care, or their own hubris overroad their judgement. You'd have to be living under a damn rock to not understand as a celebrity that people are out to photograph you against your consent daily. Let alone if you HELP them along.

[Lantyssa]

I think they're people, dumb as any other, and didn't realize the risks.  If a trusted person releases private info it's a betrayal of trust.  If a mugger steals that info from your trusted friend it's a crime and not a betrayal.  Intent does matter.

[HaemishM]

The rationalisations going on here are starting to echo the 'she secretly wanted it' rape apology which should not be a hill anyone wants to die on.

I'm in no way saying "she secretely wanted it" because I know they did not. Paelos may be trying to make that argument in kind of a circular way.

Neither one of us are of the opinion that merely LOOKING at the pictures makes us rapists because again, that's an idiotic and hyperbolic moral equivalency that I think utterly nullifies the trauma that rape causes. If I'm caught looking a naked woman who didn't close the blinds, I am wrong for invading her privacy (as I am invading the privacy of the celebs whose photos I looked at) but I didn't rape her. I'm wrong for looking (though it's  understandable because I like the boobies) and she's dumb for not closing her damn blinds. It's not her fault her privacy got violated though she could have taken precautions to prevent it - which sounds a lot like celebs not securing their photos on their phone.

But if I didn't break into her house and actually, physically assault her, I'm no more guilty of rape than I am when I look at these pictures. It's just not the same thing and though jgsugeden doesn't want to say that, it's absolutely what he's implying as are a lot of the people clutching the pearls about this. Where was the outrage when Pam Anderson's sex tape got out? Oh right, she made sure she got paid for it, so that's ok, right? She wasn't releasing that tape before it got out, but once it did, she said "It's out there, rather than try to stamp it out, I'll just make sure the company gives me a cut." This is no different except in scale and the fact that the idiots who stole the stuff couldn't sell it.

[Ironwood]

In all seriousness, I believe these people took these pictures because they wanted to share them with someone.

 

There is a point though... why else does someone take a picture of himself/herself in the first place? I see myself all the time, so I don't need to see photos of me. I take them to show other people. Meh...

Oh Dear God.

[Paelos]

The rationalisations going on here are starting to echo the 'she secretly wanted it' rape apology which should not be a hill anyone wants to die on.

I'm in no way saying "she secretely wanted it" because I know they did not. Paelos may be trying to make that argument in kind of a circular way.

I'm saying I have no problem looking at something that a person had no problem creating in the first place, bottom line. I would feel differently if the pictures were taken by someone else, without consent. The Erin Andrews thing is a good example. I didn't think those should be viewed because at no point did she ever think those pictures were a good idea.

[Malakili]

The rationalisations going on here are starting to echo the 'she secretly wanted it' rape apology which should not be a hill anyone wants to die on.

I'm in no way saying "she secretely wanted it" because I know they did not. Paelos may be trying to make that argument in kind of a circular way.

I'm saying I have no problem looking at something that a person had no problem creating in the first place, bottom line. I would feel differently if the pictures were taken by someone else, without consent. The Erin Andrews thing is a good example. I didn't think those should be viewed because at no point did she ever think those pictures were a good idea.

Would you have no problem with someone's private diary being published against their will?

[jgsugden]

...But if I didn't break into her house and actually, physically assault her, I'm no more guilty of rape than I am when I look at these pictures. It's just not the same thing and though jgsugeden doesn't want to say that, it's absolutely what he's implying as are a lot of the people clutching the pearls about this. ...

Don't put words in my mouth.  I get tired of the people around here rephrasing my argument and then blasting their rephrase.  There are four wheels on a skateboard and four wheels on a car - that doesn't make a skateboard a car.  The things I called attention to might also be true of rapists, but I am NOT saying that people looking at these photos are the same as people that physically assault others in a sexual fashion.  AFAIK, you set the limits on your code of conduct shy of that point.  Congratufuckinglations.

Do I think your limits come too close to that line?  Hell yes.  Do I think this type of disregard for others is a stepping stone on a much worse path?  It sure can be.  However, by itself, it is not rape. 

To be clear: I think the justifications people are giving are just crap, and the people making those justifications are crap.  However, I also think most of them realize it and maybe some of them *might* just decide they've been assholes long enough - and might be better people the next time something like this rolls around.  At least I really want to think that is true. 

[Evildrider]

I like boobs.. they are on the internet.. I saw them.  They were, for the most part, glorious.  I do not feel bad and the owners of said boobs have nothing to be ashamed of. 

Was it wrong how they got there?  Yes.  However they are out there now.  There is no way you are ever going to get around them, they aren't going to mystically disappear.  From now til the internet ends if you image search nudes/boobs/etc. they are going to come up.  Not only that if you've ever looked at nude pictures on the internet than you've probably looked at some random persons leaked nudes that didn't get any press because they weren't famous. 

[Evildrider]

Oh and as an aside.. if anyone has ever jerked off thinking of an ex are those people rapists too?

[MrHat]

This thread is not at all what I expected considering the other boobies thread.

[Paelos]

Would you have no problem with someone's private diary being published against their will?

That's not the question. The question is about reading said celebrity/public figure diary once it hits the internet. Once something is out there, I don't think it makes you a shitty person for being curious. But even if it was a diary I guarantee we wouldn't be having this debate, just like if it were dudes doing drugs in the pictures.

My problem with this situation is people are trying to pile on because this is about:

A - Women
B - Nudity
C - Celebrities

You can be mad at people for hacking them all you want. But lumping in the viewers is ridiculous in my mind. It's that moral extension that YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD YOU DIRTY PERV that I'm against. To people that say I should feel bad? Fuck you, I don't. Nor should anybody else who was curious about the boobs.

[MahrinSkel]

If you want to get meta about this, what's the difference between viewing these pictures, or reading details of the personal lives of celebrities published by tabloids against the wishes and interests of the celebrities in question?  Does how the tabloid got the details (angry exes, personal assistants getting paid, secret microphones in the powder room at an awards show) apply moral weight to the millions of voyeurs that encourage the violation with their interest?

--Dave

[Paelos]

There's not any. People are mad because it's naked chicks, and they have a hangup about that.

[Malakili]

There's not any. People are mad because it's naked chicks, and they have a hangup about that.

People are "mad" because of the total disregard for how the actual people feel about it.  Is it the worst thing ever to look at the pictures? No.  But to be so dismissive of what the people want is still being kind of shitty.  That's the long and short of it.  Whatever, it's your life do what you want.

[Merusk]

Someone just hack Paelos' personal e-mail and send it to 4-chan.  He sent it via the internet and wrote it so clearly he wanted someone else to read it. Ergo we all have the right to snoop through it and read every last bit.

Nobody has a hang up about naked chicks. You want to justify it so you don't feel bad about yourself.

[Paelos]

Someone just hack Paelos' personal e-mail and send it to 4-chan.  He sent it via the internet and wrote it so clearly he wanted someone else to read it. Ergo we all have the right to snoop through it and read every last bit.

Nobody has a hang up about naked chicks. You want to justify it so you don't feel bad about yourself.

Keep making up analogies, they are hilarious. By the way if you find any naked pics in there, be sure to put those on the web as well.

I don't have to justify anything. I don't think you're wrong for not wanting to see them. I just don't think it's some kind of moral shit-fit you want to make, so I'm saying it in the thread.

[MediumHigh]

Only in f13 is looking at girls who get paid to wear skimpy clothes considered rape. Half those girls leaked will be showing their boobies at 30 to stay relative.

[Lantyssa]

It's not the looking at it I object to.  Haemish's and Drider's stance is fine with me--it's nothing to be proud of, it's not horrible in the grand scheme of things, and they like boobies.  Morally grey is fine since they own up to it.  It's the trying to act like the celebs deserve it and it's perfectly fine that annoys those of us raising objections.  It shows no respect at all for these people.

[shiznitz]

This idea of rape through picture ogling is just the natural extension of political correctness run to its extreme.  The cycle is coming to its inevitable end, I hope.  Someone who actually believes it is not going to be convinced otherwise because he/she has been brainwashed.  

[MahrinSkel]

It's not the looking at it I object to.  Haemish's and Drider's stance is fine with me--it's nothing to be proud of, it's not horrible in the grand scheme of things, and they like boobies.  Morally grey is fine since they own up to it.  It's the trying to act like the celebs deserve it and it's perfectly fine that annoys those of us raising objections.  It shows no respect at all for these people.

Or maybe it's just fun winding you, Malakili, and jgsugden up about it, watching you sputter in impotent moral outrage?

--Dave

[Malakili]

It's not the looking at it I object to.  Haemish's and Drider's stance is fine with me--it's nothing to be proud of, it's not horrible in the grand scheme of things, and they like boobies.  Morally grey is fine since they own up to it.  It's the trying to act like the celebs deserve it and it's perfectly fine that annoys those of us raising objections.  It shows no respect at all for these people.

Or maybe it's just fun winding you, Malakili, and jgsugden up about it, watching you sputter in impotent moral outrage?

--Dave

K.

[Thrawn]

Yep, this is a politics thread.

[penfold]

Only in f13 is looking at girls who get paid to wear skimpy clothes considered rape. Half those girls leaked will be showing their boobies at 30 to stay relative.

The looking at the leak pics is psychic rape meme was up on the Guardian from an Aussie CIFer by breakfast, only hours after they first appeared.

Incidentally i woke at 4am with IBS pains so caught em on my reddit app on the phone, long before i realised the photons that bounced off my eyes hurtled their way to Hollywood to form a tear in the eye of an actress.

[Pennilenko]

Did F13 just fuck up a thread about titties? Yes it did.

[Khaldun]

It's sort of why I didn't want to say anything else. Plus, you know, Haemish's position is basically the way I feel. I ain't gonna do it, I was sort of curious that no one was asking 'is you gonna do it?', and sort of wanted reassurance that everyone thought, "it's kind of nasty that someone stole these things". But it's not really my business what people do beyond that and I understand the impulse to look well enough. Anything more is Politics.