Ant-man

[jgsugden]

Well, since Corey Stoll is going to be Yellowjacket, I'm pretty sure Ant-Man won't be smacking his bitch up. Hank Pym was the wife-beater as Yellowjacket, not Scott Lang.

I'm betting the spousal abuse does make it on screen as something he did wrong in the past.  I just get that vibe from what I've seen and heard, although there has been no direct reference to it as far as I know...

[Fordel]

The costume looks good, that's about it.

[Maven]

I fully expect Douglas's Pym to have the past spousal abuse. They're going to make Lang morally unassailable to fit in with the current MCU climate -- the man who breaks the law for the right reasons. I imagine he'll be in Avengers 3 or tied into some other property where there won't be any teamwork friction because of some moral fault.

Hell even Tony Stark's moral failings seem less to do with lashing out and more to do with withdrawing into self. On second thought, I feel like I have a weak argument here.

[Slyfeind]

Hell even Tony Stark's moral failings seem less to do with lashing out and more to do with withdrawing into self. On second thought, I feel like I have a weak argument here.

Makes sense to me. I think they've let us accept and understand their failings because we can see ourselves in them, rather than just because they're evil. Tony drinks to deal with his issues, and even though drinking makes him kind of an asshole, he's not 100% a dick. (Although I got tired of drunk Tony around the middle of IM2 and was ready for sober Tony to happen. I think they've made it clear they're not going to follow up on that, though....)

[Raguel]

It really grates me when people talk about Pym. His moral failing is going crazy. This is the same guy who had a split personality (YellowJacket) kill himself (Giant Man) because he was jealous of himself.

[jgsugden]

It really grates me when people talk about Pym. His moral failing is going crazy. This is the same guy who had a split personality (YellowJacket) kill himself (Giant Man) because he was jealous of himself.

I think it is safe to say that the killing of himself will not make it into the MCU, although they did come close to it on the animated Avengers show. 

However, I would no be shocked if Pym turns out to be a villain in this movie...

[Raguel]

It really grates me when people talk about Pym. His moral failing is going crazy. This is the same guy who had a split personality (YellowJacket) kill himself (Giant Man) because he was jealous of himself.

I think it is safe to say that the killing of himself will not make it into the MCU, although they did come close to it on the animated Avengers show. 

However, I would no be shocked if Pym turns out to be a villain in this movie...

Yeah, that wasn't my point. If people want to talk about Pym's "dark side" they should talk about how he's nuts, and how his supposed friends stood by and did nothing to help him.

[DraconianOne]

Some new images released. I'm liking this one:



Paul Rudd's serious expression offset by the fact his costume is hanging on a wire hanger over a bath tub. 

[DraconianOne]

Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI

[Khaldun]

Thomas the Tank Engine moment is pretty golden.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, that and the Yellowjacket costume were pretty awesome. MUCH better trailer.

[Shannow]

Agreed, this has been upgraded from I'll watch when it hits cable to I might pay to watch this on-demand.

[Tannhauser]

The Ant Man costume is the best once since the main armor in Iron Man 1.  Looking forward to this.

[DraconianOne]

So, three weeks until release and the marketing machine is picking up.  My son picked up a kids magazine with an article about it which has got him excited. What I noticed was

[sickrubik]

[jgsugden]

I'm betting they do it in the final act of this movie as a 'surprise' that wins the day for the heroes.

I'm still waiting for Marvel to reveal that Pym Particle growth is actually the entire universe (except the target) shrinking.

[Margalis]

I really wonder how this will do. I think A2 took a little bit of the luster off of these Marvel films and in commercials this look pretty bad to me.

I'm not saying it will bomb - Marvel movies aren't bombing, period. But it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being one of the worst-performing ones.

[Evildrider]

I think it will at least do Thor and Capt. America levels.  It's not gonna be Guardians, that's for sure.  I think, if the movie is good, word of mouth will be it's biggest ally.  That said, I'll be seeing it.

[Fordel]

I'm guessing critically it will be a shit show, but it will still make fuck loads of money then be overshadowed by whatever is next in line and we'll all forget about it like Thor 2.

[Velorath]

There's not a lot of competition around its release. You've got Terminator a couple weeks earlier, and Mission Impossible a couple weeks later. It opens alongside Trainwreck which could do ok, and a week after Minions which will be big, but neither target the same audience. Pixels will probably tank the week after.

[kaid]

If they can pull off a super hero movie with a tree and a talking raccoon as two of the main breakout stars I will give antman a chance.

[Lakov_Sanite]

My only hope for antman is that it's a LOT stronger on comedy than they are letting out in the trailers.  If this tries to be a serious movie, it's gonna suck teeny tiny ant balls.

[Fordel]

If they can pull off a super hero movie with a tree and a talking raccoon as two of the main breakout stars I will give antman a chance.

The main difference there is those two are actually likeable.


Maybe this is a sleeper hit, but I don't feel it. Like with GotG, people were all 'what is this shit?' when they heard about it, but after that first trailer pretty much everyone was buying what they were selling. With Antman, I don't feel or see any of that anticipation that other Marvel Movies brought.

[Evildrider]

Word is that there are 2 end credit scenes for Ant-Man, so don't leave early. 

[Merusk]

My only hope for antman is that it's a LOT stronger on comedy than they are letting out in the trailers.  If this tries to be a serious movie, it's gonna suck teeny tiny ant balls.

Which trailers? There's been plenty of comedy in the latest ones and the 'preview' that's being shown before Jurassic Park. It's just not really good comedy.

[NowhereMan]

The Thomas scene was a nice little bit of comedy but... yeah the rest has felt more heh jokes rather than actual laughter. It looks like it'll probably be worth a watch on streaming. I'll probably try to see it in cinemas since it costs literally peanuts where I live and I'm unimaginative about my free time.

[Evildrider]

There have been a few comedic sequences shown in the trailers.  It looks like the kind of stuff I'd expect to see Paul Rudd do.

[Merusk]

To further define what I was talking about, here's the awful jokes I can remember:

* Trope joke of "show me how to punch" and woman actually punches him instead of his hand. Oh those minxy, unpredictable women! 
* "I want to to break in to someplace and steal some stuff" line. Maybe it's just that it's been overplayed but it's "heh" not "AND THAT GUY'S ARM!" laughs.
* Predictable joke as buddy is driving him out of jail where buddy has lost woman, home and parents but, "Hey at least I've got my van!"
* Predictable joke from buddy, "Nothing freaks me out" - proceeds to freak out when Ant-Man is on his shoulder.
* lame "don't drop me" joke as he's riding ants.

Compared to some of Rocket's stuff in GoG and early Marvel it's terribly stale and low-quality. It's not enticing me to go see it, and I'll give it a go miss until/ unless I hear it was amazing.

[Khaldun]

...Are you seriously judging the humor content of an entire feature film from the impressionistic shit they can fit into a trailer?

And aggressively defending said judgment?

I have no idea whether this film is funny. I can tell they want me to think it has a lighter or more humorous touch, that's all.

How many of the great funny touches in Guardians of the Galaxy could have been compressed into a trailer? How many would you want to have had compressed into a trailer?

What the fuck is wrong with people, seriously? Trailers are trailers.  They're good sometimes, bad sometimes, and the good and bad are only sometimes related to the actual content of the actual film. Making judgments about trailers is making judgments about fucking advertisements. It's like deciding how the beer tastes based on whether you like the ad for it.

[Merusk]

They're bad jokes. I was listing the bad jokes and I was expanding on an earlier post out of Saturday night boredom. Nobody's aggressively doing anything here except you.

Psycho. 

[jgsugden]

It is entirely appropriate to be small minded about this movie.

[Margalis]

GoG looked amusing. This does not. I don't get "Marvel even made a raccoon and tree man movie do well." A talking raccoon and tree hint at a wacky, interesting movie.

It's true that these are only trailers, but the point of the trailer is to sell people on the movie. And it's much more common for the trailer to be better than the movie than the reverse. People don't really seem excited for this - in the grand scheme of Marvel things it doesn't seem important - it's not about Thanos or Loki or other big stuff. (A problem these movies are starting to have is that the ones about the throw-away villains feel like throw-away movies - Ultron just treading water, for example) But it also doesn't look particularly interesting as a movie standing alone.

One thing I noticed with Ultron, and also with Ant-Man, is that a lot of the praise is less about the movie itself and more how it fits into Marvel stuff. A lot of the early word about Ant-Man is focused on cameos and post-credit scenes and such - it seems like a problem to me when the best part of the movie is the part that teases a different, better movie. Similarly a lot of critics who praised (or excused) Ultron thought a strong point was that it set up a lot of future movies.

With a movie like Guardians the advance word was "I had fun at this movie", whereas with Ant-Man the advance word is more "I had fun imagining implied future movies."

Who knows. Maybe it will be excellent.

[Velorath]

I don't think there was any real early praise about how Ant Man fit into the MCU. That's partly why they had to recently put out posters referencing various Avengers. The early marketing did nothing to show it as being part of the Marvel films.

[jgsugden]

the 2 post credits scenes have leaked. a little Google work will help you find them. Nothing too exciting, but they are spoiler is ...

[eldaec]

Imho marvel need more films that are not about Thanos or Loki.