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Reply #875 on: July 13, 2014, 07:53:45 PM

This is great, now everyone in America can shut the fuck up and stop pretending to care about the world cup for 4 more years.

Same as the olympics.

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Reply #876 on: July 13, 2014, 09:24:20 PM

This is great, now everyone in America can shut the fuck up and stop pretending to care about the world cup for 4 more years.
Same as the olympics.
Unlike soccer, does ANY country give a fuck about the olympics outside of during the olympics?
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Reply #877 on: July 13, 2014, 11:59:22 PM

Or you could put some salve on your stingy genitals and just don't watch it.

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Reply #878 on: July 14, 2014, 12:23:25 AM

This.  Soccer can go back to being followed by Europeans and the 3rd world for another 4 years.

The world plays football. Americans and Australians try to play something called "soccer" at the world every four years and lose badly.

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Reply #879 on: July 14, 2014, 12:25:27 AM

Heh, "Socceroos".

Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something.  We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Reply #880 on: July 14, 2014, 12:29:53 AM

The world plays football. Americans and Australians try to play something called "soccer" at the world every four years and lose badly.

You have to admit, for soccer being like the 40th most popular sport in America, they went further in the world cup than some countries where it's number one. 

 Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #881 on: July 14, 2014, 12:34:15 AM

You have to admit, for soccer being like the 40th most popular sport in America, they went further in the world cup than some countries where it's number one. 

 Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?


But it's also the third-most played sport in the US. In Australia it's actually the number one played sport, but likewise dwarfed by other sports in TV coverage and fan base.

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Reply #882 on: July 14, 2014, 01:23:42 AM

Canada is ranked 110th in the world and more people play soccer here than hockey.

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Reply #883 on: July 14, 2014, 03:50:01 AM

There's also 310 million people in the USA, Belgium has 11...

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Reply #884 on: July 14, 2014, 04:20:42 AM

Games like these are why I despise soccer (even as an European). The referee has too much power with his limited point of view, but we in front of the TV see more and are annoyed by wrong decisions. I only saw parts of the second half but when the German goalie fouled the Argentinian player (seen clear as day on the video replay) and the Argentinian gets the blame instead of a (maybe game deciding) penalty kick, I knew again why this game is stupid in a digtal age and turned it off.
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Reply #885 on: July 14, 2014, 04:24:12 AM

Canada is ranked 110th in the world and more people play soccer here than hockey.

Soccer costs about $50-$100 a year.  Hockey can cost upwards of $1000 or more.  Guess which one people will throw their kids into if they don't have/want to save money?  If costs were comparable, which do you think more Canadian parents would put their kids into?  People play soccer in Canada (and probably the US) mostly because: a) they come from a country where soccer is popular, b) because its cheaper than other organized sports.  The retention of interest after they're done playing as kids is low.  Not as low as it use to be but the interest is still low.

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Reply #886 on: July 14, 2014, 04:28:43 AM

This.  Soccer can go back to being followed by Europeans and the 3rd world for another 4 years.

The world plays football. Americans and Australians try to play something called "soccer" at the world every four years and lose badly.

If you want to be pedantic, both "football" and "soccer" are a shortening/derivation of the proper name for the sport: Association Football.

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Reply #887 on: July 14, 2014, 04:30:51 AM

There's also 310 million people in the USA, Belgium has 11...

Its the same reason why Canada generally does better than the US in hockey and has more players in the NHL (over 50% of NHL players are Canadian, around 20% are Americans) than anyone else.  The nation has most of its elite athletes involved in one sport.  The US is good at pretty much every major sport but may not dominate or excel like nations such as Belgium does in soccer or Canada in hockey.

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Reply #888 on: July 14, 2014, 05:37:09 AM

Games like these are why I despise soccer (even as an European). The referee has too much power with his limited point of view, but we in front of the TV see more and are annoyed by wrong decisions. I only saw parts of the second half but when the German goalie fouled the Argentinian player (seen clear as day on the video replay) and the Argentinian gets the blame instead of a (maybe game deciding) penalty kick, I knew again why this game is stupid in a digtal age and turned it off.

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Reply #889 on: July 14, 2014, 05:56:20 AM

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

But it definitely wasn't a  free kick for the Germans.

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Reply #890 on: July 14, 2014, 06:12:40 AM

Yea thats cute. Running into the keeper isn't foul.

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Reply #891 on: July 14, 2014, 06:18:24 AM

Yea thats cute. Running into the keeper isn't foul.

Kneeing somebody in the head should be, though.
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Reply #892 on: July 14, 2014, 06:23:50 AM

This.  Soccer can go back to being followed by Europeans and the 3rd world for another 4 years.

The world plays football. Americans and Australians try to play something called "soccer" at the world every four years and lose badly.
Nah, it is pretty much Europe, the third world, and Latin America (large parts of which really aren't "third world").   awesome, for real



What I do find interesting, the more I travel, is the crazy growth in the popularity of Basketball.  Looks like its turning into the next "global" sport.
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Reply #893 on: July 14, 2014, 06:26:16 AM

Yea thats cute. Running into the keeper isn't foul.

Kneeing somebody in the head should be, though.

Yes because he did it on purpose.  Facepalm   The foul on Higuan wasn't needed but it was in no way a penalty.

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Reply #894 on: July 14, 2014, 06:28:30 AM

The point (which you ignoring) is that it wasn't a foul against Neuer.

And I see it as an indication that the current method is insufficient to make fair rulings. They need to incoproprate video evidence in their rulings instead of gut feelings and what a referee might or might not have seen on the field. This will also end all those people falling down and pretending they are hurt because an opposite player was near them.

Which thankfully both the Germans and the Argentinians didn't do.
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Reply #895 on: July 14, 2014, 06:40:39 AM

Actually by FIFA rules that is a foul, it's called obstruction. That ball was always Neuers and Higuain did his very best to obstruct his path. Hence foul.

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Reply #896 on: July 14, 2014, 06:47:56 AM

No it isn't, because the ball wasn't more than 3 feet away from Higuain.
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Reply #897 on: July 14, 2014, 06:54:40 AM

It's a lot different when a keeper is involved. If you impede the keeper trying to catch or punch a ball it's obstruction, or 'impeding the keeper', not sure what the official term is, sorry.

I thought the ref was fairly flawless yesterday, definitely the best refereeing I've seen in a final since Pierluigi Collina.

EDIT: Just looked it up as I was curious.

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"It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him."
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Reply #898 on: July 14, 2014, 08:22:00 AM


This.  Soccer can go back to being followed by Europeans and the 3rd world for another 4 years.

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Reply #899 on: July 14, 2014, 08:23:46 AM

Basically the movement of the goalkeeper inside the box is privileged especially when he moves to the ball or handles the ball. If it weren't then every other move to handle the ball or parry a shot on goal would lead to a penalty and the goalie would basically always get bum-rushed by the opponent's offense to smack the ball out of his hands. It would also be a huge risk of injury since a goal keeper is actively moving in the path of a running player.

Try making a standing jump without using your legs to get additional momentum, try to catch a ball in the penalty box when you have to compete against others players or move at the ball to prevent a goal. Every of those situations could lead to a penalty or cards if the goalkeepers actions weren't somewhat privileged and sanctioned. Strikers would always try to get the foul if that was handled similar to offensive fouls in say basketball.

The rules are clear. You don't interfere with the goalkeeper's actions when he is inside his own box.
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Reply #900 on: July 14, 2014, 08:37:07 AM

Canada is ranked 110th in the world and more people play soccer here than hockey.

Soccer costs about $50-$100 a year.  Hockey can cost upwards of $1000 or more.  Guess which one people will throw their kids into if they don't have/want to save money?  If costs were comparable, which do you think more Canadian parents would put their kids into?  People play soccer in Canada (and probably the US) mostly because: a) they come from a country where soccer is popular, b) because its cheaper than other organized sports.  The retention of interest after they're done playing as kids is low.  Not as low as it use to be but the interest is still low.

yeah my high school was relatively small and the only sport we had were soccer teams. Soccer fans shouldn't toss those numbers around when it's been shown to be relatively meaningless.
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Reply #901 on: July 14, 2014, 08:48:33 AM

I bet there are several people on this board who played soccer growing up, probably stopped by high school, or if they didn't stop they did by college where they just played on their intermural teams instead of anything competitive.

The pull to play in sports that are respected or matter in America is pretty high. At some point kids have to choose, and there are three viable American sports already.

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Reply #902 on: July 14, 2014, 01:01:47 PM

The reffing was great, fucking crazytown that people are bitching about it.

Argentina without Di Maria is half the team it is with him. Subbing off Lavezzi may have cost them the game, was he hurt? Argentina definitely should have won that game, match up wise this contest completely favored them especially 0-0 into extra time. If not for German Kobe aka Schweinsteiger aka MVP of the finals...

It was great though that Argentina saved some of their best and most entertaining football for the final. I had hated watching them up to that game so much. Great final, a joy to watch. Good for Germany, I'm a big fan of that team except Lahm and Muller, god Muller is a talented douche.

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Reply #903 on: July 14, 2014, 01:14:15 PM

After the game, Muller said something to the press that amounted to "yeah, when someone as big a person as I am is at a lost for words, you know it's a big deal"

So apparently, he is a huge douche.

As a side note, I am struggling with the fact that they gave Messi the Golden Boot.  I don't think he was the best player in this world cup.

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Reply #904 on: July 14, 2014, 01:19:28 PM

As a side note, I am struggling with the fact that they gave Messi the Golden Boot.  I don't think he was the best player in this world cup.

Maradona commented that Messi didn't look like he even wanted the award. 

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Reply #905 on: July 14, 2014, 01:22:30 PM

The only way I can see Messi getting the Golden Ball is because he is arguably the best player in the world and he did have a direct effect on getting Argentina into the knock-out stages. That is it. I agree he wasn't the best player in the tournament and I think even he would agree.

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Reply #906 on: July 14, 2014, 01:22:37 PM

Should have been Rodriguez. He carried Colombia. I could even seen Neuer...he was a beast as well. But Messi was very average.

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Reply #907 on: July 14, 2014, 01:29:06 PM

Yeah, Messi came through in some clutch moments, but he absolutely should not have gotten the Golden Ball. Rodriguez, Schweinsteiger, Muller, Lahm, Hummels - any of those guys had as much impact if not more than Messi did.

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Reply #908 on: July 14, 2014, 01:29:46 PM

I would have given it to Neuer...but goalies have their own reward.  Can they also with the Golden Ball?

I would have also given it to Robben before Messi.

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Reply #909 on: July 14, 2014, 02:09:22 PM

I would have given it to Neuer...but goalies have their own reward.  Can they also with the Golden Ball?

I would have also given it to Robben before Messi.

Goalies can win both awards. Personally I think Howard was a better Golden Glove candidate. Golden Ball is a bit more open but Messi wouldn't even be in my top 5 for this tournament.

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