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Luke & Leia are in the perfect roles to continue forward. Luke as a member of the new Jedi Council, who manage and Leia continuing as Senator/ Chancellor/ whatever of the New Republic. Han is out of his element and too old to do much beyond tell war stories and make witty remarks. If anyone dies in this one it's him.
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I could see Luke being the new Obiwan in a way. I doubt he'll have Alec Guinness's stature, but I could see being a mentor in that respect which would also give the movie a deeper thread for us older people. I like when movies throw us old people a bone by referencing the little things in the previous movies.
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My vague guess based on nothing but the teasers....Luke tried to teach his son the force, son goes bad and becomes Kylo Ren, Leia's daughter is off on Jakoo scavenging shit and ends up becoming the Jedi apprentice to stop Ren. Someone will make a heel turn at the end and be the bad guy for the next two movies.
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I hope it's Sith Lord Leia from an alternate past.
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I'm going with Luke has no kids and Han and leia have twins and one is evil and isn't and they have to fight.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Since Ford has been pretty clear he wouldn't even consider being in it if that didn't happen, I think we can count on it. Don't think it even rates a spoiler.
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Soln
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He and Chewie will selflessly drive the Falcon into something to let new kids escape something.
Luke will be killed by new young bad guy, while trying to help him remove some curse or debt inflicted by Vader.
Emperor will be back somehow.
Leia will retire and come back in other films like Spock for continuity.
R2 and 3PO will go live with Leia.
And that's it.
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I predict Mews and Smith show up as Chronic and Bluntman.
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Cyrrex
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I could live with crusty old General Solo, but I doubt that is what we are getting so it is probably better all around if they kill him off. They will also keep old Leia in the background for most of the movie as well, but they have cast her daughter for a part in the movie so there may be some young Leia in here via flashbacks or something. Leia has no use beyond some small sentimental value, and I doubt she still can pull off the gold bikini :shudder:
Luke, on the other hand...depends. I doubt they have the guts to do it, but Luke could be the one who takes a heel turn, and Mark Hamill is sure as hell capable of pulling off nasty old Darth Luke. In fact, that would be amazing.
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HaemishM
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Making Luke Skywalker the bad guy would take HUGE balls, and would be awesome if done right, because Hamill does evil-crazy REALLY FUCKING WELL.
Whether Disney has the balls to do it is another story. Of course, if we're talking about a new trilogy, there's 3 movies worth of time for evil being redeemed by the Force.
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Luke doesn't need to be a villain to be the antagonist. "Bringing balance to the force" is bound to piss off a lot of people on both sides.
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Ironwood
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I was under the impression this was the MASSIVE SPOILER posted months ago ? That Luke basically turned into Vader in the new movies, a la the comics ?
No ?
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Soln
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Luke as bad guy is not very Disney.
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Probably not, but it makes sense in a lot of ways. It continues the same theme of the OT, it fits with the whole "balance" thing, and also simply because Hamill would kill it. I was under the impression this was the MASSIVE SPOILER posted months ago ? That Luke basically turned into Vader in the new movies, a la the comics ?
No ?
As quickly as that one fizzled, I don't think that particle spoiler had legs. Doesn't mean it ain't true, might just be that the source was not reliable. |
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Luke doesn't need to be a villain to be the antagonist. "Bringing balance to the force" is bound to piss off a lot of people on both sides.
Except that bringing balance to the force was supposed to be Vader's job. And he did a pretty good job of that by basicly hunting down and killing off 99% of the jedi order. Attempting to pass that off to luke would seem a bit hamfisted. |
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It would be more in line with the previous trilogies to have Luke as the aging jedi mentor who dies at the end of the first film. Shortly after someone loses an arm and someone else says "I have a bad feeling about this." And his last line in the film? "The Force will be with you. Always." Because that's how JJ Abrams rolls baby!  |
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Cyrrex
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Luke doesn't need to be a villain to be the antagonist. "Bringing balance to the force" is bound to piss off a lot of people on both sides.
Except that bringing balance to the force was supposed to be Vader's job. And he did a pretty good job of that by basicly hunting down and killing off 99% of the jedi order. Attempting to pass that off to luke would seem a bit hamfisted. Right, but then he went too far in the other direction, and there was still no balance. The Dark Side took over everything. Maybe Luke is the chosen one. Hard to say, the pendelum has a way of always tilting too far in one direction or the other. Maybe the black stormtrooper kid will restore balance. |
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The bad guy in this movie will either Luke or whoever his or his sister's son is. Reason being that they would be the only white males left in the entire fucking universe besides Han Solo. Seriously, two trailers in and not a single white male shown except Han. The Rebels must have set up genocide camps after Endor because the galaxy went from Whitey White Whiteville, the whitest place ever to NO white people in the span of one generation.
Yeah, I know. 'Muh ciscaucasiopatriarchy!'. I don't really care about it other than I thought it was a funny but hamfisted change after the IP ownership change.
I also just wanted to have this in writing so when it turns out I'm right based on nothing more than the concept of 'white male punching bag syndrome' I can mock all of you who are about to talk shit about me and this post.
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Hm? There was like 3 white guys and one black in whole trailer.
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Ironwood
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The bad guy in this movie will either Luke or whoever his or his sister's son is. Reason being that they would be the only white males left in the entire fucking universe besides Han Solo. Seriously, two trailers in and not a single white male shown except Han. The Rebels must have set up genocide camps after Endor because the galaxy went from Whitey White Whiteville, the whitest place ever to NO white people in the span of one generation.
Yeah, I know. 'Muh ciscaucasiopatriarchy!'. I don't really care about it other than I thought it was a funny but hamfisted change after the IP ownership change.
I also just wanted to have this in writing so when it turns out I'm right based on nothing more than the concept of 'white male punching bag syndrome' I can mock all of you who are about to talk shit about me and this post.
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angry.bob
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Hm? There was like 3 white guys and one black in whole trailer.
Nope. Hispanic guy and an Arab. Not even white people in the background. Han Solo is the only caucasian male in either trailer. |
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Why aren't you banned from this site yet?
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angry.bob
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Why aren't you banned from this site yet?
For what? Posting unpopular but provably true things? You're a much better candidate for banning since you just seem to post tumblr grade social outrage crap and then disappear into the woodwork when called on it. You add nothing but worthless noise to sort through and ignore. Literally. Go be sad about the objective reality of existence in a corner or whatever. Edit: One of the X-Wing pilots looks to be a white guy too. |
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Pretty sure the human white male purity thing was an Empire thing, it would stand to reason the Rebels would be the grab-bag of the rest of the galaxy.
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I seriously doubt the casting calls for this film had something like "No white males need apply."
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Hmmm. I guess I'm thinking of some other site where you weren't supposed to bring ranty loony-tunes bullshit from the Politics forum into the rest of the discussions.
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Hmmm. I guess I'm thinking of some other site where you weren't supposed to bring ranty loony-tunes bullshit from the Politics forum into the rest of the discussions.
So how is it 'ranty loony-tunes bullshit' if it's a direct observation of material and directly related what is being discussed? I'm pretty sure the white male bad guy thing is common enough to be on tropes. If it is you should have to apologize to me. There's also ZERO asian people in despite being 1/3 or more of our species by themselves. I myself am personally butthurt that there are no half Asian, half Welsh Jews in anything, ever. Who am I supposed to look up to? |
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HaemishM
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Merusk
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Moving on...
My earlier speculation was based on a few things outside of the characters.
1) Hamill loves acting and has always enjoyed his role in Star Wars. He'd gladly continue on as Luke in future movies. Would be pointless to make him the bad guy and kill him off early.
2) Ford is the opposite and despite it launching his career has always hated the role since he became a "Serious" actor. He's gotten legit pissed when asked about playing Han Solo before. Hell, he wanted Han dead after Empire, never to return in Jedi. I see no reason other than a big fat paycheck that he came back to do this one. The series would be better off letting him die and move on.
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HaemishM
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I always figured Ford only returned as Han Solo BECAUSE they were going to kill him off, likely in a very painful way. He absolutely despises that fucking character.
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