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Title: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on March 18, 2014, 10:52:16 AM Here we go:
http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-vii-set-to-roll-cameras-may-2014.html Quote STAR WARS: EPISODE VII SET TO ROLL CAMERAS MAY 2014 March 17, 2014 Disney and Lucasfilm are excited to announce that principal photography on Star Wars: Episode VII, directed by J.J. Abrams, will commence May 2014, and will be based at London's historic Pinewood Studios. This will be the first Star Wars film to start shooting in the month of May. Lucasfilm has documented the first day of principal photography for every installment of the Star Wars saga: March 22, 1976 -- The first day of principal photography in Tozeur, Tunisia, for Star Wars. A crew of 130 ventures into the desert in 42 trucks and cars, including eight army trucks full of equipment. The first shot was completed at 9:35 a.m. March 5, 1979 -- The first day of principal photography in Finse, Norway, for The Empire Strikes Back. The crew endures the subzero temperatures, frostbite, heavy winds, and avalanches to pull off the first shot within 65 minutes of setup. January 11, 1982 -- The first day of principal photography at EMI Elstree Studios outside of London for Return of the Jedi. Although inside a studio, the set must weather a sandstorm in a scene that would ultimately be cut from the film. June 26, 1997 -- The first day of principal photography at Leavesden Studios in Hertfordshire, England, for The Phantom Menace. Ending a long absence from the director's chair, George Lucas shoots a sequence in a bluescreen-lined set with actors Ian McDiarmid and Ray Park. June 26, 2000 -- The first day of principal photography for Attack of the Clones at Fox Studios Australia. In their new home Down Under, the production crew once again photographs actor Ian McDiarmid three years to the day after Episode I started shooting. June 30, 2003 -- The first day of principal photography for Revenge of the Sith at Fox Studios Australia. The first scenes shot feature Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor as Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, respectively, along with R2-D2. It has also been confirmed that Star Wars: Episode VII is set about 30 years after the events of Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi, and will star a trio of new young leads along with some very familiar faces. No further details on casting or plot are available at this time. Star Wars: Episode VII will release in theaters on December 18, 2015. StarWars.com. All Star Wars, all the time. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 18, 2014, 10:55:16 AM I feel so dirty for being excited. My son will be 12 when it comes out and I can't wait.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: tazelbain on March 18, 2014, 10:59:03 AM A bag full of Sith
Wheeling out the Corpses The Forcening The Next Generation Luke and Mouseketeers Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 18, 2014, 11:20:52 AM I don't really know what to expect, honestly. Among Abrams works as a Director (not counting writing, tv series etc.) I only watched "Super 8", and I really enjoyed it; yep, still have to watch the new Star Trek movies and the whole "lens flares" madness :D .
- Can he give a new direction to the franchise while conquering the hearts and minds of the old, grumpy fans (after the much debated prequels) ? I don't really know if, beside (of course) a money-grabbing purpose, there is still something new and original left in the SW universe and its related themes worth of exploring, IMO. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: shiznitz on March 18, 2014, 11:47:04 AM Thank the fucking gods Lucas is no longer involved.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 18, 2014, 11:50:19 AM They are in the beneficial position that the prequels were utter garbage. All they have to do is make some decent space adventure movies with some star warsy stuff in them.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 18, 2014, 11:53:12 AM The old and grumpy fans are, at best, in their early 30s. It's safe to ignore them because if they haven't walked by now they won't. If they have there's little you can do to get them back. Either way it doesn't matter because it's about prolonging the brand, not appeasing a bunch of angry man-children who somehow got their feelings hurt almost 2 decades ago.
The fans of the prequels are in their 20s and younger and yes they exist. These are about them and introducing it to new groups of young kids. Sith is 10 years old now, and Menace is 16. There's plenty of new teens and younger willing to go see a new set of movies. If they stick with the original theme of Space Opera instead of "Exploring the Star Wars political drama" that was the prequels they'll do OK. That's why the Clone Wars was so successful as a series. It kept to that theme very well, while doing little bits of sci-fantasy drama that a jaded adult could roll their eyes at for not being 'gritty enough' but kids will enjoy. Sort of like the original trilogy which is absurd at its base. Abrams treatment of Star Trek shows he can do this very well. Pity he did it to that franchise first. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on March 18, 2014, 12:26:18 PM Any time I think of a new Star Wars movie/TV show/whatever, whether Lucas is involved or not, I think "Fuck off." I just can't be arsed to give a fuck anymore. And yet, I will follow this like the idiot that I am.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 18, 2014, 12:40:18 PM Any time I think of a new Star Wars movie/TV show/whatever, whether Lucas is involved or not, I think "Fuck off." I just can't be arsed to give a fuck anymore. And yet, I will follow this like the idiot that I am. Hmm..."Star Wars Episode VII: The Idiots' Club" sounds good as a topic title :grin: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: DraconianOne on March 18, 2014, 02:18:24 PM The old and grumpy fans are, at best, in their early 30s. Not sure how you worked this out. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on March 18, 2014, 03:19:59 PM I'm an old and grumpy fan in my 40s.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Trippy on March 18, 2014, 03:42:01 PM Yeah. The youngest you could be now and still (barely) remember watching the first in its original run would be 40 if you were 3 at the time.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on March 18, 2014, 03:45:23 PM Hey hey, I'm 39 and was 3 at the time!
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Paelos on March 18, 2014, 03:59:31 PM Disney's Pirates of the Rebel Alliance.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 18, 2014, 04:00:56 PM Some rumors over at "Jedi News" via TheForce.net :
http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Report_Pinewood_Studios_Hosting_Star_Wars_Episode_VII_Set_Visits_For_Media_Vendors_157063.asp And of course casting rumors abound: http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-episode-vii-to-begin-filming-in-may-1201137849/ Err, interesting about Adam Driver as the main villain: I mean, I watch Girls with my GF and we both enjoy it (*shameful face*), but I've yet to see any other of his roles, so it's quite hard to imagine the transition from Girls to SW. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: 01101010 on March 18, 2014, 04:05:02 PM Yeah. The youngest you could be now and still (barely) remember watching the first in its original run would be 40 if you were 3 at the time. That's me! And I was at a drive-in in my mom's pinto station wagon in my pajamas. That is about all I recall though. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 18, 2014, 04:12:39 PM The old and grumpy fans are, at best, in their early 30s. Not sure how you worked this out. "At best" meaning the kids who saw any of the originals prior to the prequels. It's not as if the youngest end of the fans watched ANH and everyone born between 77 and 1998 said, 'eh fuck it I missed the first one.' I was going for the low end of people prior to 1998 who would care enough to grouse. Grumpypusses about the prequels seem to disappear after age 30, if they care at all. It's all Gen X being emo. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on March 18, 2014, 05:25:20 PM The first one opened on my sixth birthday. I saw it that day.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on March 18, 2014, 05:27:02 PM I was 12. So add that one up, motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Tannhauser on March 18, 2014, 06:50:13 PM I was 14 and saw it on opening weekend. Get off my lawn.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 19, 2014, 01:05:54 AM (http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/images/smilies/oldman.gif)
There are also talks about oscar winner Lupita Nyong'o: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/12-years-a-slave-oscar-winner-lupita-nyongo-up-for-a-potential-star-wars-episode-vii-role-20140314 ------ Finally, it's off topic, but along with the SW confirmation, I really enjoyed the tidbit about Brad Bird writing "The Incredibles 2". Can't wait for that :heart: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on March 19, 2014, 05:47:45 AM The first one opened on my sixth birthday. I saw it that day. A blessing and a curse, having a birthday during George Lucas Release Week. I'm sad I'm not old enough to remember the original trilogy, but at least I got Phantom Menace for my 17th? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Bunk on March 19, 2014, 06:57:26 AM It's amazing what nostalgia can do to blind you. I lined up around the parking lot for Phantom Menace and came back the next day to watch it again. Took a third viewing after the hype had worn off to start realizing what I was really watching. Still went and saw the next two on their opening days though.
Don't remember if I saw SW in the theatre, I do remember ESB - I was nine and my uncle took me to see it. My real clear SW memory is of getting our first VHS machine and renting Star Wars. And then watching it nine times in one weekend. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sky on March 19, 2014, 07:09:07 AM Somewhere I have a picture of me in my Steel Curtain knit hat holding a Darth Vader trading card at our local theater for Star Wars (it's not A New Hope, it's Star Wars.). My parents put up with me watching it several times.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: angry.bob on March 19, 2014, 07:16:57 AM I was twelve when the first movie came out in the theaters. It was literally the most amazing thing that I had ever seen. It sounds corny but television had a total of four channels, one of them was mostly static, and they all played shit for housewives. Movies were not a lot better. The stuff happening on that screen blazed a new trail and changed movies forever, even if you consider Lucas an incompetent hack. Remember, these movies are not for us. Fuck, for some us they're not even for our kids, but our grandkids.
Like Milk & Cheese said, a child and their comic books is heartwarming, but a fatty neckbeard with 40 long boxes in his parent's attic needs beate3n to death. Or something like that. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: apocrypha on March 19, 2014, 07:18:49 AM Err, interesting about Adam Driver as the main villain: I mean, I watch Girls with my GF and we both enjoy it (*shameful face*), but I've yet to see any other of his roles, so it's quite hard to imagine the transition from Girls to SW. Hmm, why shameful face? Girls is good TV. I'm uncertain how Adam Driver will work as a villain opposite 70 year olds, but interested to see. However, JJ Abrams treats audiences as if they were morons who are incapable of paying attention to a plot, therefore my hopes for this film aren't high. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on March 19, 2014, 08:09:56 AM I was 6 when I saw Star Wars in the theater and was just amazed. Empire was even more amazing but even in my teen years, I recognized that Jedi, while a completion of sorts, was still too cutesy by half with those goddamn Ewoks. I loved Phantom Menace at release, but only for the amazing lightsaber fights with Darth Maul. Everything around that and everything since has been complete and utter shit. It isn't even in the same boat as ewoks - it isn't just that the movies were made for kids, the prequels were complete and utter shit from the get-go with the aforementioned action pieces the only things redeemable about the entire trilogy.
Which is why I say this new series can go fuck itself. Even without Lucas, the Star Wars brand has long since become synonymous with utter idiotic drivel. Nothing good remains from those original 2 movies that changed cinematic history. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on March 19, 2014, 09:00:07 AM I was 6 when I saw Star Wars in the theater and was just amazed. Empire was even more amazing but even in my teen years, I recognized that Jedi, while a completion of sorts, was still too cutesy by half with those goddamn Ewoks. I loved Phantom Menace at release, but only for the amazing lightsaber fights with Darth Maul. Everything around that and everything since has been complete and utter shit. It isn't even in the same boat as ewoks - it isn't just that the movies were made for kids, the prequels were complete and utter shit from the get-go with the aforementioned action pieces the only things redeemable about the entire trilogy. Which is why I say this new series can go fuck itself. Even without Lucas, the Star Wars brand has long since become synonymous with utter idiotic drivel. Nothing good remains from those original 2 movies that changed cinematic history. Revenge of the Sith was actually a pretty good Star Wars movie. I know it's hip to hate on the Prequels but it was. AOTC was....watchable. Barely. One time. And only because it had a creative lightsaber duel or two. The Phantom Menace has some good parts (the duels, the pod race) but is mostly shit. The Clone Wars however, is the best thing to happen to Star Wars since the first two movies. If you didn't watch it because you're butt hurt about the prequels then you missed some really, really good stuff (with admittedly some stinker episodes and story arcs but what TV show doesn't have bad episodes?) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on March 19, 2014, 09:31:31 AM Revenge of the Sith was actually a pretty good Star Wars movie. You could not possibly be more wrong. It was a fuckawful piece of shit that I knew was going to be a total waste of two hours the minute fucking Anakin scrapes his wing against Obi-Won's wing to get a droid off instead of USING THE GODDAMN FORCE. It just didn't give two fucks about consistency, character or anything besides ejaculating CGI all over me and thinking I'd be impressed by it after the last two pieces of shit. It wasn't even remotely close to being a good movie, Star Wars or otherwise. By the time "I'VE GOT THE HIGH GROUND!" and "NOOOOOOOO!!!!" appeared, I wanted to kill everyone involved in the production for skullfucking a good, profitable franchise. As for the Clone Wars, I believe you. I've had enough people tell me it's a decent series. I just have to find the time to watch it... which I really don't have a lot of inspiration to do because I'm really sick to death of Star Wars. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: WayAbvPar on March 19, 2014, 09:32:09 AM I feel so dirty for being excited. My son will be 12 when it comes out and I can't wait. Heh that is PRECISELY my reaction. My son won't be quite as old but he loves him some Star Wars (even if he hasn't sat through anything but IV to completion yet). It won't fill me with wonder like seeing the original did (I was 7, for the record, and still remember playing Star Wars at recess with my friends!). but getting to see my son enjoy his Star Wars will be fun. And expensive :awesome_for_real: And Revenge of the Sith was TERRIBLE. Just horrifyingly bad. AOTC was the only watchable one of the prequels, and that is being generous. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on March 19, 2014, 09:42:56 AM I have yet to watch Revenge of the Sith in its entirety. The bits I have seen were utterly utterly terrible.
Phantom Menace has maybe the first 10-15 minutes to its credit, then the fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedi. The rest is pretty bad to utterly terrible. Attack of the Clones is okayish. I guess. In comparison to the movies that bookend it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 19, 2014, 09:47:46 AM Attack of the Clones is okayish. I guess. In comparison to the movies that bookend it. Attack of the Clones is the worst movie ever made. It just didn't give two fucks about consistency, character or anything besides ejaculating CGI all over me and thinking I'd be impressed by it after the last two pieces of shit. It wasn't even remotely close to being a good movie, Star Wars or otherwise. This is pretty much right. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on March 19, 2014, 10:13:20 AM AOTC vs ROTS is an interesting one.
ROTS has some of the worst acting I've ever seen in a major film. Then again, so does AOTC. ROTS also has some of the worst dialog I've ever heard in any film, But again, so does AOTC. The action in both is boring as shit and the characters all incredibly grating and unlikable. I think I lean towards ROTS being worse simply because the high-level plot was so badly botched. He had a bad dream so now he's evil. That's it. Three fucking movies of build up and that's it. After watching ROTS you're forced to think about what the hell these movies were about and why they existed. At least after watching AOTC you could still hope for a hail mary. It's really sad to think about what the plot of the prequel series was on paper vs how it came out. Well-intentioned kid experiences hardship throughout his life and is slowly seduced by the dark side, believing it will give him the power to finally help those around him, but that ends tragically as he's motivated as much by hate and thirst for revenge as by good intentions. I'm sure that's how it looked. In reality it's annoying little shit grows up into arrogant douchebag prick, has a bad dream then a super evil looking guy who is obviously up to no good is like "yo, want to be evil now?" and he's like "totes" and then immediately kills his friends and some kids because now he's all evil. Actually which one longer? Whichever one that is, that's the worse one. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on March 19, 2014, 10:13:55 AM Clones just bores me to tears aside from all the other prequel badness, like the agonizing romance scenes.
Sith and Phantom at least have a couple of passable lightsaber duels. Plus, and "Clone Wars" has done more with this, the prequels accidentally do a pretty good job at convincing just about everybody that the Republic deserved to fall and the Jedi largely deserved to get killed. If Lucas had meant more actively to set this up as a kind of social tragedy: that even good things can't stay alive forever and breed their own downfall, that safety and security are traps, etc., the films could have been way better. But the list of things that go, "If Lucas..." and end "The films could have been way better" is a nearly infinite list. If they're going to have Jedi in VII onward, it would be nice to see the whole concept of the Order completely rethought, and the Republic too, rather than just have everybody go wub-wub and restore all that shit for the next Sith fucker to try and knock down. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on March 19, 2014, 10:50:56 AM Lucas is not involved, by default it will be better (anyone ever watch Redtails?...OMFG is that a fucking shit movie..more proof (if you needed it) that Lucas should've retired years ago)
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 19, 2014, 10:57:25 AM For the sake of my ego and self esteem, from now on in this topic I'll be known as "Bob". Thank you.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sky on March 19, 2014, 11:08:38 AM It sucks that Lucas had some really strong acting talent in Palpatine, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon but then cast the absolute worst wooden actors for Anakin and Padme. Also, going back to Anakin's childhood for an entire movie was way too much, at best that needed to be a quick few scenes to set up his relationships.
My favorite part of the sequels is still a comment from the DVD commentary about the stupid factory scene (with flying R2, and Annie/Padme in a platformer?) that was added because 'the movie was getting a bit too plot heavy and needed an action scene'. Talk about phoning it in. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on March 19, 2014, 11:15:58 AM Attack of the Clones was so bad that I didn't even see Revenge, and I was probably about a 7 on a 1-10 scale of 'excited for new movies' before the first one came out. I would have been a 10 but I have a friend who worked at Lucasfilm at the time as an effects guy and he managed to get me a little prior warning that they might not be great (not enough though.) The dumb parts of Phantom Menace were probably dumber (I am filled with loathing for the derp derp I flew a spaceship and won the war by accident sequence in particular) but the romance stuff in Clones was just awful, movie-ruining stuff, right up there with shit like Queen of the Damned and Battlefield Earth for sheer crapitude. If Bioware hadn't saved Star Wars I think I'd still be pissed at Lucas.
Sky, I don't think it was the casting. It was the directing and the dialogue. Good actors turn bad with bad material all the time. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 19, 2014, 11:33:39 AM Yeah, presidents and Jedi are easy to write for and easy roles for actors to look good in.
Portman is lucky she had Leon to fall back on or it would have killed her career as dead as Christensen's. Or whatever the hell his name was. But neither are bad actors. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 19, 2014, 11:34:07 AM And Revenge of the Sith was TERRIBLE. Just horrifyingly bad. AOTC was the only watchable one of the prequels, and that is being generous. Amusingly, my son and his friends enjoy ROTS the most. Of the 3 it's the only one I can watch regularly. It's much more actiony and like the saber duels and the jedi slaughter parts the most. I just go for snacks during any of the Anakin-Padme scenes and stop watching after Vader is left on the side of the volcano to burn. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 19, 2014, 11:35:52 AM I agree, the dialogue is just so bad that there is nothing they could do with it. It's just scene after scene of boring crappy dialogue and nothing making sense. Natalie Portman has been good in things.
The ROTS duel at the end, particularly the Obi v. Ani duel was about 45 minutes too long. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on March 19, 2014, 12:10:25 PM I choose to look forward, not back.
I had a long conversation with some insane SW fans and we talked about how they could have told pretty much the exact same story, but not have the sucky parts suck so sucky. I choose to think of that version of the story and block Hayden Christensen, accidental destruction of massive ships, Ewoks, and all the other disappointments out of my mind. I believe that they're on a better path for this set o movies and that they understand what the audience will want. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ghambit on March 19, 2014, 12:16:02 PM (http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/images/smilies/oldman.gif) There are also talks about oscar winner Lupita Nyong'o: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/12-years-a-slave-oscar-winner-lupita-nyongo-up-for-a-potential-star-wars-episode-vii-role-20140314 ------ I'm sure she'll be some exotic alien Jedi to be killed off in the 1st five minutes. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Teleku on March 19, 2014, 03:31:39 PM Oh come on, don't be so cynical.
She'll be the jive talking comedy relief Jedi who is killed off in the last fight sequence. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 19, 2014, 03:53:39 PM Lucas isn't involved, they've pretty much done away with that nonsense. As referenced before, Clone Wars has set a much better tone post-prequels. It's been 10 years, let it go.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Bunk on March 20, 2014, 06:55:50 AM Oh come on, don't be so cynical. She'll be the jive talking comedy relief Jedi who is killed off in the last fight sequence. Exactly. The Jedi that get killed off in five minutes with no dialogue whatsoever will be based upon popular characters pulled from an EU source that will be stuck in the movie just so that they can look like complete chumps. Honestly, were Lucas involved I would expect to see Kyle Katarn walk in to a scene background just long enough for the audience to recognize him, only to be run over by a runaway speeder piloted by a Gungan/Ewok/etc. Not that I'm bitter about how he treated certain characters or anything... Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Miguel on March 20, 2014, 07:34:23 AM Any chance we could see a Thrawn trilogy out of this? Doesn't that happen 20-30 years after ROJ?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Mithas on March 20, 2014, 07:39:08 AM Any chance we could see a Thrawn trilogy out of this? Doesn't that happen 20-30 years after ROJ? If I remember correctly it was less than 10 years after ROJ. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 20, 2014, 08:11:10 AM Any chance we could see a Thrawn trilogy out of this? Doesn't that happen 20-30 years after ROJ? Nope. Lucas already shat that stuff out of his colon. Alllllll non-canon. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on March 20, 2014, 08:22:50 AM That's a shame. I enjoyed those books.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 20, 2014, 08:26:22 AM Yeah, no chance. One of the redeeming things about the prequels, IMO, is how much they destroyed the EU bit by bit.
Thrawn trilogy started with the premise that the Clone Wars were against a bunch of clones who'd gone insane. (You could tell a clone by their not-clever use of doubling vowels! Luuke Skywalker.. Joruus C'both!) It also stated that Thrawn worked-out how to successfully clone people without them going insane (Force resonance causes insanity ergo use yslarmi which block force!) AOTC blew all of that out of the water the moment you saw ten thousand Jangos on the good-guy side without any of them being crazypants. About the only thing you could get out of it at this point is an appearance by Thrawn, the nghori and Mara Jade in some new story. Considering Disney's stance when they bought the franchise is, "We're evaluating what parts are worth keeping" that's probably all that's going to happen. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 20, 2014, 09:19:10 AM One of the redeeming things about the prequels, IMO, is how much they destroyed the EU bit by bit. That's an interesting take on it. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on March 20, 2014, 10:33:30 AM I thought the EU had been in a full scale Civil war since 1979 in any case. :grin:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lt.Dan on March 20, 2014, 01:30:51 PM So who are the protagonists 30 years after ROTJ? The Emperor is gone, Luke is the last Jedi (except for one other). They saved the universe. What's next? What new threat could the writers create that would (a) top that, or (b) be necessary as a sequel not just create a new space opera.
How about Joe Haldeman's Forever War or Julian May's Saga of Exiles. At this point in the Star Wars universe what stories are there left to tell? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: calapine on March 20, 2014, 01:47:26 PM So who are the protagonists 30 years after ROTJ? The Emperor is gone, Luke is the last Jedi (except for one other). They saved the universe. What's next? What new threat could the writers create that would (a) top that, or (b) be necessary as a sequel not just create a new space opera. How about Joe Haldeman's Forever War or Julian May's Saga of Exiles. At this point in the Star Wars universe what stories are there left to tell? Kotor 2 - The Movie! :grin: :grin: I'd see that! Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on March 20, 2014, 01:55:27 PM It's an established setting, so they don't need to spend as much time explaining things and can get straight to the main story. The question ought to be, what couldn't they do in the Star Wars universe?
They can just cast Scarlet Johansson as Mara Jade and do whatever the hell else they want. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Torinak on March 20, 2014, 02:09:42 PM So who are the protagonists 30 years after ROTJ? The Emperor is gone, Luke is the last Jedi (except for one other). They saved the universe. What's next? What new threat could the writers create that would (a) top that, or (b) be necessary as a sequel not just create a new space opera. How about Joe Haldeman's Forever War or Julian May's Saga of Exiles. At this point in the Star Wars universe what stories are there left to tell? Kotor 2 - The Movie! :grin: :grin: I'd see that! Wouldn't a faithful adaptation end about 15 minutes too early, after 10 minutes of just phoning it in? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on March 20, 2014, 02:38:37 PM Knowing what we do about JJ, it will likely be a reflection of some modern issue ...Probably something having to do with the difficulty in establishing and maintaining order after a revolution, or dealing with conflicting agendas in a new regime. I'm betting the villain will end up being a symathetic villain, not someone bent on universal domination.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Numtini on March 20, 2014, 02:48:45 PM Quote Knowing what we do about JJ, it will likely be a reflection of some modern issue ...Probably something having to do with the difficulty in establishing and maintaining order after a revolution, or dealing with conflicting agendas in a new regime. I'm betting the villain will end up being a symathetic villain, not someone bent on universal domination. Better sympathetic from the start than evil to the core then "sorry" poof now I'm a Jedi glowy again. In general, I'm very optimistic and looking forward to the new movies. Abrams was a disaster for Trek, but all the reasons he was a disaster would fit perfectly into a SW franchise film. On Lucas, I've seen Red Tails several times, but I'll watch anything set in the European Air War--probably need to talk to a shrink about that--and there's never been even a moderately good movie set in it. Tails shouldn't have been as bad as it was. It's really what Lucas does well: recycle B-Movies. I think in this case, it got too messagey and the topic wasn't removed and light hearted enough to start. On the other hand, it's the best thing he's made since Raiders! Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 20, 2014, 02:54:13 PM Beaten wife like you would not believe.
So Sad. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on March 20, 2014, 03:33:48 PM They can just cast Scarlet Johansson as Mara Jade and do whatever the hell else they want. That might be tough since she's five months pregnant. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on March 20, 2014, 03:39:36 PM I just hope they steer completely clear of resurrected Emperors, Thrawn, even Sith per se. Get a new twist. Idealistic crusaders vs. crime lords, bounty hunters and corrupt politicians w/the main characters mostly living in the grey spaces in between, just wanting to help ordinary people live decent lives, that could be kind of good if it was done well.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on March 20, 2014, 03:48:47 PM Quote Knowing what we do about JJ, it will likely be a reflection of some modern issue ...Probably something having to do with the difficulty in establishing and maintaining order after a revolution, or dealing with conflicting agendas in a new regime. I'm betting the villain will end up being a symathetic villain, not someone bent on universal domination. Better sympathetic from the start than evil to the core then "sorry" poof now I'm a Jedi glowy again. In general, I'm very optimistic and looking forward to the new movies. Abrams was a disaster for Trek, but all the reasons he was a disaster would fit perfectly into a SW franchise film. On Lucas, I've seen Red Tails several times, but I'll watch anything set in the European Air War--probably need to talk to a shrink about that--and there's never been even a moderately good movie set in it. Tails shouldn't have been as bad as it was. It's really what Lucas does well: recycle B-Movies. I think in this case, it got too messagey and the topic wasn't removed and light hearted enough to start. On the other hand, it's the best thing he's made since Raiders! Nope, it went beyond awful. Awful dialogue, awful acting AND worst of all AWFUL CGI. The air combat was 1. unrealistic and 2. LOOKED awful. Tusakagee Airmen was a better film by a magnitude of 10. Have you ever seen Dark Blue World? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Blue_World) , I personally haven't but heard lots of good things about it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 20, 2014, 03:55:06 PM I just hope they steer completely clear of resurrected Emperors, Thrawn, even Sith per se. Get a new twist. Idealistic crusaders vs. crime lords, bounty hunters and corrupt politicians w/the main characters mostly living in the grey spaces in between, just wanting to help ordinary people live decent lives, that could be kind of good if it was done well. I vote for an opening showing Luke being a retired Grandmaster Jedi Farmer on Tython, fending off Flesh Raiders assaults on his own. Please continue this wonderful plot as you see fit :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on March 20, 2014, 04:06:29 PM I just hope they steer completely clear of resurrected Emperors, Thrawn, even Sith per se. Get a new twist. Idealistic crusaders vs. crime lords, bounty hunters and corrupt politicians w/the main characters mostly living in the grey spaces in between, just wanting to help ordinary people live decent lives, that could be kind of good if it was done well. That kind of stuff is for satellite content. They're not going to drop lightsaber spectacle and such in their centerpiece product. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on March 20, 2014, 05:37:30 PM I just hope they steer completely clear of resurrected Emperors, Thrawn, even Sith per se. Get a new twist. Idealistic crusaders vs. crime lords, bounty hunters and corrupt politicians w/the main characters mostly living in the grey spaces in between, just wanting to help ordinary people live decent lives, that could be kind of good if it was done well. When the name of the franchise is "Star Wars", you kind of need to have stars and wars in it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on March 20, 2014, 07:53:27 PM Hey, eventually the grey area guys get sick of the crusaders and the Hutts and shit and get some lightsabers and Star Destroyers and war the shit out of all the stars. The End.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 21, 2014, 12:13:38 AM You do kind of need a Jedi. But the more it focuses on small people caught in events, the more it will feel like the good trilogy and not the bad trilogy.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on March 21, 2014, 01:24:55 AM MEANWHILE, ON KORRIBAN....AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS. :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on March 21, 2014, 01:44:40 AM For what it is worth, the prequels have already well established that Sith can hide in the woodworks and come popping back out at any time. The also established that the Rule of Two was sort of fluid. There were overlaps where a third apprentice, or even a fourth, could be hiding in the background somewhere just waiting to be Sith. There are any number of plausible ways to bring saber-wielding bad guys back, including Korriban (though that would be utterly ham-fisted). The easiest way is probably just some rogue Jedi coming from Luke's own academy or lineage. If they stick with the betrayal/redemption theme at all, it will be somebody close to him.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 21, 2014, 06:08:24 AM I'll take "None of the Expanded Universe crap will be in" for $10,000, Alex.
Hey, eventually the grey area guys get sick of the crusaders and the Hutts and shit and get some lightsabers and Star Destroyers and war the shit out of all the stars. The End. "Hey do Star Wars, but make it something different!" This approach would be as successful as SWG was. Lots of neckbeard love, not enough revenue. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 21, 2014, 06:20:31 AM It would, of course, be hilarious to have Han turn round to Leia at one point and say 'Thank God we didn't have kids, since that would have been retarded.'
Just Sayin' Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on March 21, 2014, 06:33:01 AM You guys are all looking for the wrong EU story, anyway. Give me the lizard people that power their technology with people's souls!
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 21, 2014, 07:41:12 AM That book was utterly, utterly fucking retarded. How it went from 'calcification of Jedi bones' to 'Machines powered by souls' was utterly, utterly beyond me.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on March 21, 2014, 08:15:27 AM The Sith Emperor isn't dead after all!
Dun dun dun! Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on March 21, 2014, 08:27:54 AM Palpatine was really an apprentice. :why_so_serious:
And if that proves to accurate, fuck you, J.J. Abrams. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: 01101010 on March 21, 2014, 09:23:23 AM Palpatine was really an apprentice. :why_so_serious: And if that proves to accurate, fuck you, J.J. Abrams. So Darth Plagueis is still alive? Makes sense... :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 21, 2014, 09:33:09 AM Palpatine was really an apprentice. :why_so_serious: And if that proves to accurate, fuck you, J.J. Abrams. So Darth Plagueis is still alive? Makes sense... :why_so_serious: I heard he can manipulate medichlorians to create...... life. So that's where the Palpatine clones will come from. Man, we're figuring out the plot of this movie so fast. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on March 21, 2014, 09:47:35 AM (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/High-quality_lens_flare_rendering.png)
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: calapine on March 21, 2014, 10:01:20 AM Yep, that.
Much more than any possible "lore rape" it's J. J. Abrams that is to fear. God knows what he will come up with. I expect a hyper-active action spectacle that doesn't feel Star Wars-y at all. Including a stupid romance sub-plot, of course. :argh: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on March 21, 2014, 10:06:46 AM Yeah! Everyone hated that stupid Leia/Han romance subplot!
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on March 21, 2014, 10:15:04 AM Since this is a JJ Abrams movie, we should really be speculating on what the Mystery Box is going to be.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on March 21, 2014, 10:17:27 AM Yeah! Everyone hated that stupid Leia/Luke romance subplot! Fixed for ewwwwwwwwww. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: shiznitz on March 21, 2014, 10:46:58 AM Since this is a JJ Abrams movie, we should really be speculating on what the Mystery Box is going to be. http://youtu.be/ABrSYqiqvzc Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on March 21, 2014, 10:52:12 AM There's also really no reason the next guy couldn't just go "ok, fuck this Rule of Two shit" since that's more or less how they got it in the first place.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Draegan on March 21, 2014, 11:13:52 AM Once this trilogy is done (9 years from now?), I would hope they go back a re-make the prequel to not suck ass.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Reg on March 21, 2014, 12:10:16 PM Why on earth would they ever do that? They're far more likely to crush our childhood memories by remaking the first three.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on March 21, 2014, 12:46:50 PM Have you forgotten this already?
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/500986152_5snvJ-L-2.jpg) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 21, 2014, 03:23:18 PM There's also really no reason the next guy couldn't just go "ok, fuck this Rule of Two shit" since that's more or less how they got it in the first place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'rule' is supported by just one line of dialogue at the end of phantom, which could just as easily (and much more sustainably) be interpreted as 'sith come in pairs'. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on March 21, 2014, 04:00:23 PM If there is a whole council of Jedi and light/dark are two competing sides of a coin it makes fuck all sense for there to be only two Sith at a time. The good Jedi must be totally incompetent in that case.
Anyway even if this is a "rule" it can undone with two lines of dialogue: "A dozen Sith? I thought they only came in twos!" "Well kid, guess that wasn't working so well for them." Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on March 21, 2014, 04:09:58 PM If the Clone Wars animated series is still considered canon, then there's already been more than two Sith running around at the same time.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on March 21, 2014, 04:53:05 PM Considering the intellectual bankruptcy of Hollywood, I have a feeling it will be Harry Potter in space with the old cast basically being the faculty at Jedi-Hogwarts and we will have Draco Malfoy-sith.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on March 21, 2014, 04:55:10 PM This movie will be regarded as the second coming because as seen above, expectations could not be lower.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: calapine on March 21, 2014, 06:03:03 PM Yeah! Everyone hated that stupid Leia/Han romance subplot! Bah. You know what I mean! :-P Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on March 21, 2014, 06:14:20 PM Considering the intellectual bankruptcy of Hollywood, I have a feeling it will be Harry Potter in space with the old cast basically being the faculty at Jedi-Hogwarts and we will have Draco Malfoy-sith. Ha ha that would be amazing. In all seriousness I expect a competently made but fucking stupid adventure romp. I mean, that's what JJ Abrams does. But competently made stupid movies will still be a huge step up from the prequels. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ginaz on March 21, 2014, 10:34:41 PM I predict this thread will reach 10 pages in less than a week and 1000 before the movie opens, 90% of which will be filled with nerd rage and nostalgia. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Zetor on March 21, 2014, 11:21:07 PM Is that before or after the heated discussions about whether Luke in a mech could beat Vader in a tank?
Anyway, I actually have only seen Ep4, half of Ep5, Ep1 and Ep2 so far... so I'll be going into this with a somewhat-clean slate. If it manages to not be as dumb as Ep2 was... bonus! :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 21, 2014, 11:47:28 PM In all seriousness I expect a competently made but fucking stupid adventure romp. I mean, that's what JJ Abrams does. But competently made stupid movies will still be a huge step up from the prequels. Exactly. The prequels were neither competently made or exciting. They were just really bad, like... really shockingly bad. The original Star Wars was such a good movie that it's shocking George Lucas had anything to do with it, given what happened to the prequels when he had the fame and wealth to have total control. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: calapine on March 22, 2014, 02:35:09 AM Personally I think the first film was the best. It had a special slowness to it, compared to the second one. Add to that a particular-ness of starting somewhere in the middle of a fight and ending abrupt with just one single battle won in a large war. No conclusion of seeing the arch villain die. Would have loved it to stop right there and the rest stay a mystery for everyone.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: apocrypha on March 22, 2014, 02:36:44 AM Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'rule' is supported by just one line of dialogue at the end of phantom, which could just as easily (and much more sustainably) be interpreted as 'sith come in pairs'. That'd be rule 34. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: calapine on March 22, 2014, 04:06:59 AM That'd be rule 34. :why_so_serious: Hah. Rule 34 is universal! You wouldn't believe what a Google image search for 'Sith Porn' turns up... :uhrr: (http://i.imgur.com/r8wziqs.png) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Paelos on March 22, 2014, 12:38:36 PM I'm betting they'll focus on the Rebellion struggling to maintain control, and splinter factions rising up to establish the New Galatic Order. Jedi will of course be sent to investigate.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Venkman on March 22, 2014, 01:59:41 PM Is that before or after the heated discussions about whether Luke in a mech could beat Vader in a tank? Anyway, I actually have only seen Ep4, half of Ep5, Ep1 and Ep2 so far... so I'll be going into this with a somewhat-clean slate. If it manages to not be as dumb as Ep2 was... bonus! :awesome_for_real: Ha, if you skipped Ep1, you'd be doing it in "machette order". Which I only know because NPR had some wonk on the other day talking about the best order in which to watch the movies (4, 5, 2, 3, 6, with 2 and 3 being the extended flashback and 1 establishing nothing worth keeping). That NPR gave this topic upwards of 5 minutes indicates the time of day I was listening :grin: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on March 22, 2014, 11:13:27 PM I'm shocked nobody jumped on me for talking about "good Jedi." Aren't all Jedi good by definition, as when they become evil they are Sith?
You guys are slipping. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on March 23, 2014, 12:07:42 AM Pssh. Jedi gone bad are Dark Jedi. Sith is like a whole separate religion. And besides, the only people who would define the Jedi as universally good are the Jedi themselves. Regular people see little difference between them and Sith.
SO THERE. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on March 23, 2014, 02:34:31 AM Pssh. Jedi gone bad are Dark Jedi. Sith is like a whole separate religion. And besides, the only people who would define the Jedi as universally good are the Jedi themselves. Regular people see little difference between them and Sith. Honestly as soon as I posted that I thought to myself "I don't know what I'm talking about and someone is probably going to point out that Jedi actually can be evil or some shit." Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 23, 2014, 05:49:15 AM Pssh. Jedi gone bad are Dark Jedi. Sith is like a whole separate religion. And besides, the only people who would define the Jedi as universally good are the Jedi themselves. Regular people see little difference between them and Sith. SO THERE. That's an EU/ Mega SW Geek thing. What the differentiation is now that Disney holds the rights remains to be seen. They've stated that there will now only be one canon, maintained by two guys: As it stands now, anything not in the movies (and, I believe the Clone Wars series) is more than likely going to be axed. That would include Dark Jedi http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/13/star-wars http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-spinoffs-will-matter-668958 Chee is no great fan of the EU as a bifurcated storyline. So things will have happened or they will have not, driven solely by the products Disney produces. It also makes a hell of a lot of sense for Disney to wipe out all of the books, video games, novella, short stories, comics, fan-wank novellas etc and move forward from the movies only because that's what the general public is familiar with. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Pennilenko on March 23, 2014, 05:58:17 AM So basically, Disney is saying, "Fuck Yo Neck Beards!" Is that right?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 23, 2014, 06:15:40 AM Yes.
ed: Which is a good thing. Lots of the little bits people hated about the prequels were trying to address Neckbeard questions from the previous 20 years. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 23, 2014, 07:30:52 AM Anything not in the movies doesn't have to axed as it was never canon to begin with.
What Disney said is that they plan to stop producing terrible non-canon bullshit, but before they start pretending the EU never existed, they are going to check if there is anything that is not utterly worthless, and in the unlikely event that they find anything, promote it to be canon. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on March 23, 2014, 08:01:02 AM Pssh. Jedi gone bad are Dark Jedi. Sith is like a whole separate religion. And besides, the only people who would define the Jedi as universally good are the Jedi themselves. Regular people see little difference between them and Sith. SO THERE. That's an EU/ Mega SW Geek thing. What the differentiation is now that Disney holds the rights remains to be seen. They've stated that there will now only be one canon, maintained by two guys: As it stands now, anything not in the movies (and, I believe the Clone Wars series) is more than likely going to be axed. That would include Dark Jedi http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/13/star-wars http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-spinoffs-will-matter-668958 Chee is no great fan of the EU as a bifurcated storyline. So things will have happened or they will have not, driven solely by the products Disney produces. It also makes a hell of a lot of sense for Disney to wipe out all of the books, video games, novella, short stories, comics, fan-wank novellas etc and move forward from the movies only because that's what the general public is familiar with. Technically speaking you are correct, of course, and unless specifically stated my comments are from the Mega Geek point of view. That said, the idea of Jedi, Dark Jedi and Sith is not a far stretch from the canon, and in my opinion works okay. There are "fallen" Jedi as part of the canon (Dooku before he became Sith) that are disillusioned with the dogma for one reason or another, though that falls a bit short of calling them Dark. Then there are the Ventress types who are part of the canon, who are neither Jedi nor Sith...and Dark Jedi is as good as term for any for them. Does it matter? I don't know. Probably not. You can argue that there is a fundamental difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith, but the average viewer (and the average citizen in the SW universe) probably doesn't care. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 23, 2014, 08:12:04 AM There is certainly enough room in betwwen what has been said in the canon for a future writer to have any kind of force user they feel like without them being aligned to either Sith or Jedi. And starting from there you can have dark Jedi mean whatever you damn well choose since the term has not been defined.
And Ventress isn't canon. The canon test is as follows... Is it episode 1,2,3,4,5 or 6? Yes: Canon No: Not canon Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on March 23, 2014, 08:23:10 AM I was operating under the assumption that Clone Wars was going to be kept as canon. If not, fine.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 23, 2014, 08:43:29 AM I imagine clone wars will be promoted to canon.
But it isn't yet and this discussion is meaningless without over zealous specificity. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 23, 2014, 09:08:49 AM Yeah, Clone Wars is the sole grey area right now and only because they have the animated movie that was in the theater and the CN series was really popular. Disney can still axe it if they choose to take the brand that direction, though.
People sometimes thought LucasFilm was "overprotective" with the cannon tiering and sending C&D letters at times. They haven't seen anything yet, because Disney is an utter cock about it and won't let several of the ridiculous things that happened in the EU happen again because they'd hurt the brand beyond the neckbeards. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on March 23, 2014, 11:16:04 AM I have a feeling that Clone Wars is definitely canon. If only from the producers hints at something big happening with Ahsoka Tano.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: MahrinSkel on March 23, 2014, 11:32:15 AM Clone Wars has a good shot at becoming canon if for no other reason than that this is Disney, and without Clone Wars the hooks for kids in Star Wars are Ewoks and Jar-Jar.
--Dave Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 23, 2014, 11:43:27 AM Clone Wars should have been in the prequel trilogy Nuke the first movie from orbit, re-jigger Attack of the Clones a bit to make it work as an opening movie. Then we could actually see Anakin develop, the relationship between him an Obi-Wan develop, and the Emperor would have had essentially the same arc as well.
The storied "Jedi training" is utterly ignored in the prequels, Anakin doing legit training at the academy in the new attack of the clone as first movie would have been great. Then due to the crisis he could have been like, called into action a bit too early with Obi-Wan agreeing to finish his training in the field (thinking he could teach him as well as Master Yoda, line from the original trilogy). Then the two of them go off and fight in the clone wars (movie 2), they become close. And then in the end get rid of the garbage death by pregnancy plot, and just have him tempted by the dark side's ability to help him end the war (which would have been established in the movies as something he had seen first hand and therefore come to hate, even have Padme die as a casualty of war after giving birth or something to make Anakin hate the war even more and desperate to end it), resulting in movie 3 pretty much as it was anyway. The entire first movie could have been replaced with a line of dialog like "Palpatine is chancellor, also there is this promising young padawan named Anakin" Seriously, the rest of the movie was pointless. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on March 23, 2014, 12:03:46 PM Yeah, I've heard from a lot of people who work in the industry that Disney is absolutely notorious for policing what does and does not "count" in its properties and ruthlessly curbstomping unapproved variations. But in this case it may really do some good for them to just take out all the accumulated SW trash and work back up from there.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on March 23, 2014, 01:36:43 PM Clone Wars has a good shot at becoming canon if for no other reason than that this is Disney, and without Clone Wars the hooks for kids in Star Wars are Ewoks and Jar-Jar. --Dave If hooks for kids was the only criteria, then Disney has the new Star Wars Rebels coming out in the fall on the Disney channel anyway. However, I think since Rebels is being animated in exactly the same style as Clone Wars it would make sense to keep Clone Wars canon. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 23, 2014, 02:17:19 PM Clone Wars should have been in the prequel trilogy Nuke the first movie from orbit, ...... Yeah, something like that - but honestly, anyone could write half a dozen outlines better than the actual prequel story in an afternoon. But most of us still own the DVDs.... for shame. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on March 23, 2014, 02:54:15 PM Clone Wars should have been in the prequel trilogy Nuke the first movie from orbit, ...... Yeah, something like that - but honestly, anyone could write half a dozen outlines better than the actual prequel story in an afternoon. But most of us still own the DVDs.... for shame. Yeah, that describes me pretty accurately. :ye_gods: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 23, 2014, 03:35:28 PM Yeah, something like that - but honestly, anyone could write half a dozen outlines better than the actual prequel story in an afternoon. Yup. Then again that's also only an outline. The prequel outline SOUNDED good until we got the mess that it is. EP1: The corruption and fall of the Old Republic and Rise of Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker is discovered and begins Jedi training. EP2: Fallout from Palpy's grabs for power and the Clone Wars alongside Anakin Skywalker the hero. EP3: The seduction and fall of Anakin Skywalker and Rise of the Empire. And yeah, I own the DVDs and even watch them from time to time. No shame. I accept it for what it is, not pine for what it could have been. Living in the past, blah, blah, blah. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Tannhauser on March 23, 2014, 05:50:35 PM Yeah, I've heard from a lot of people who work in the industry that Disney is absolutely notorious for policing what does and does not "count" in its properties and ruthlessly curbstomping unapproved variations. But in this case it may really do some good for them to just take out all the accumulated SW trash and work back up from there. I agree and I bet they will do this. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Rendakor on March 23, 2014, 07:02:41 PM Clone Wars should have been in the prequel trilogy Nuke the first movie from orbit, ...... Yeah, something like that - but honestly, anyone could write half a dozen outlines better than the actual prequel story in an afternoon. But most of us still own the DVDs.... for shame. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Teleku on March 24, 2014, 12:49:53 AM Hah, yeah, thats exactly my situation. Have not seen any of the prequel movies since their original midnight showing debut in the theater.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on March 24, 2014, 09:31:17 AM How can Disney even evaluate what is canon? I mean there's so much random SW shit and so much of it is bad - would they hire 100 interns to sift through all that? Any Disney exec has probably seen the movies and I assume none of them have read the books or played the games.
Not only does throwing it out make sense from a theoretical perspective it also makes sense from an operational one. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on March 24, 2014, 10:21:29 AM Leland Chee was an employee of LucasFilm before Disney bought them and is the guy doing the current evaluation. He was in charge of trying to keep it from being an unholy nightmare before. I understand his power was only to the point of saying things like "no, Luke was over on Dathomir trying to bang this chick at that time. He couldn't be on Sullust getting a shave with Chewbacca's 7th cousin. Move your storyline by two weeks." The actual approval of storylines and products was someone else, whose purpose was to generate $$ so all harebrained ideas got approved.
Now he is apparently the guy in charge of keeping it straight and approving what gets added. Evidently. Either way he's probably one of the sole people in the company who could do it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on March 24, 2014, 11:14:25 AM How can Disney even evaluate what is canon? I suspect "evaluate" is a euphemism. And Disney execs are the same manchildren you meet on boards like this all the time. They just happen to have a job that requires them to compartmentalise. That doesn't mean they are unaware that Kevin J Anderson books are mind breakingly awful. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Triforcer on March 24, 2014, 07:22:27 PM Did he write the Courtship of Princess Leia? Every time in my life where I suddenly cry for no reason, I figure its that.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Kail on March 24, 2014, 09:56:28 PM Did he write the Courtship of Princess Leia? Every time in my life where I suddenly cry for no reason, I figure its that. Hey, that's a weird coincidence. My sister just told me she's got her hands on a pair of Star Wars novels, and would I like to read them, and one of them is the Courtship of Princess Leia. So, it's a really emotionally touching story, you're saying? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 25, 2014, 03:27:42 AM It's fucking shite.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: calapine on March 25, 2014, 05:21:08 AM Did he write the Courtship of Princess Leia? Every time in my life where I suddenly cry for no reason, I figure its that. According to Edit: But there are many other reason to hate Kevin J. Anderson. Such as writing crappy Dune books. Unless Star Wars that's something I care about. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on March 25, 2014, 05:30:25 AM KJA wrote a lot of shite for Star Wars. I see no need to go outside a particular field : Let's just agree that KJA is a fucking awful writer, no matter what the fuck he's writing about.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Venkman on March 29, 2014, 07:32:19 PM Courtship wasn't bad. It had three interesting elements: Luke coming into a better understanding of the Force, an android modelled more like Data than C3PO, and the key villain which I wish had more play. He was sort of the Jimmy Hoffa of the era, Vader's equal from the non-Force using commerce side of things.
It wasn't Zahn level of story telling. But let's face it: I wouldn't say Zahn's books were empirically great either. They were just the best of the SW novels. It all comes down to one's own ability to stomach the EU material. I could get past the writing just to keep up with the characters. We'll all do this when the next movie comes to. I still smile when some people say JJ "ruined" Trek. Because shit, the things he did with both movies are the exact things that excite me most about the next. No, not the lens flare or story. Just that he took the parts of the rules that truly matter, ignored the tumors that were allowed to be bolted on, and made for a fun popcorn fest. That's all I want. That's all I got in the 70s, and that's what I want again. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on March 30, 2014, 01:34:29 AM Let's just agree that KJA is a fucking awful writer, no matter what the fuck he's writing about. Can't think of another writer that has completely shit on so many decent franchises. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on April 25, 2014, 01:05:21 PM Sites are now reporting the EU is being discarded for the most part, with certain elements being recycled. Not a surprise to most, but I am waiting to see how much anger this creates.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on April 25, 2014, 01:06:52 PM Sites like this one ? In General Discussion ? First post up ?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on April 25, 2014, 01:15:02 PM Sites like this one ? In General Discussion ? First post up ? Didn't see it. We don't all visiti every forum all the time... and for some strange reason I thought *this* was the place to post discussion of Movie VII stuff... silly me.Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on April 25, 2014, 01:19:40 PM YOU FAIL ! NOW DROP AND GIVE ME 20 !!!
(I don't know why either. Just one of those odd things I guess. Either that or they like giving me two places to show how much I admire KJA.) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on April 25, 2014, 07:47:32 PM The one thread is more about Disney handling the stuff they bought with Lucasfilm, specifically the Star Wars IP.
This one is about the upcoming movie itself. The news affects one more than the other, even though both are affected. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on April 25, 2014, 10:37:29 PM In either case, that link seem to be saying anything other than what we already knew (or was strongly suggested). As a giant lifelong SW nerd (somewhat in remission at this point), I am starting to think this is a whollly good thing both for the movie and for the EU itself. The old EU is so jam-packed now that it is virtually impossible to make any of it interesting any more. This offers a fresh start.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: murdoc on April 29, 2014, 09:42:01 AM Cast announced: http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-7-cast-announced.html
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 29, 2014, 10:04:06 AM I'm not unhappy about the casting.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Stormwaltz on April 29, 2014, 10:32:18 AM /scratchhead
I know Andy Serkis and Max con Sydow, the rest (of the non-ancient cast) I've never heard of. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on April 29, 2014, 10:35:50 AM /scratchhead I know Andy Serkis and Max con Sydow, the rest (of the non-ancient cast) I've never heard of. Exactly the same. Ergo, perfect casting. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on April 29, 2014, 10:43:12 AM Any bets on how long before the internet breaks Starwars.com?
I shouldn't be excited but damnit.... Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Mithas on April 29, 2014, 10:44:48 AM For some reason that photo made me geek out.
Doesn't Peter Mayhew have a hard time getting around now? I've seen him in several pictures with a cane and/or walker. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 29, 2014, 11:07:57 AM John Boyega was excellent as the main kid in Attack the block.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on April 29, 2014, 11:11:22 AM Any bets on how long before the internet breaks Starwars.com? I shouldn't be excited but damnit.... This is sort of how I feel now that it comes down to it. Shit. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on April 29, 2014, 11:21:35 AM I wonder what they've got Von Sydow playing. He's got to be someone who fits into the timeframe of New Hope/Empire/Jedi. Good money on him being a villain of some kind.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 29, 2014, 11:24:13 AM I wonder what they've got Von Sydow playing. He's got to be someone who fits into the timeframe of New Hope/Empire/Jedi. Good money on him being a villain of some kind. He'd be approximately vaders age, likely one of the last of the old imperial leadership. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on April 29, 2014, 12:10:35 PM Von Sydow ? English Accent ? Old, lean, gaunt ?
Is there any doubt ? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on April 29, 2014, 12:50:07 PM For some reason that photo made me geek out. Doesn't Peter Mayhew have a hard time getting around now? I've seen him in several pictures with a cane and/or walker. Yeah, but that's because being 7' something and 60+ years old aren't good combinations. Honestly I'm amazed the guy is still alive because tall folks go first. Von Sydow ? English Accent ? Old, lean, gaunt ? Is there any doubt ? Yes, but that way leads to the dark side. :drill: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on April 29, 2014, 01:50:26 PM Max Von Sydown is going to play the new leader of both the planetary governors and the imperial navy. We'll call him a Grand Moffmiral.
e: Or was the Moff-punning in the other thread? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on April 29, 2014, 06:14:16 PM If he is a Sith, you could just call him Darth Von Sydow and that would be sufficiently badass sounding.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Father mike on April 29, 2014, 06:47:50 PM They even got Williams to score it. That's the moment I let my enthusiasm get the better of me.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on April 29, 2014, 06:51:14 PM I have no problems with this casting, but I would have preferred Bill Nighy over Sydow.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Johny Cee on April 29, 2014, 08:02:37 PM I have no problems with this casting, but I would have preferred Bill Nighy over Sydow. Wayne Pygram (Scorpius in Farscape) would be :heart:, though I guess he has already played a role in Star Wars since he had a cameo as young Grand Moff Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on April 29, 2014, 08:26:15 PM That was Pygram? :heart:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Stormwaltz on April 29, 2014, 08:35:04 PM They even got Williams to score it. Unrelated: I listened to the Empire score again recently, and it seems to me I've long missed the best parts of it. Yeah, the iconic motifs are powerful, but there are also insanely neat and complex passages tucked away in there. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Johny Cee on April 30, 2014, 02:32:08 PM That was Pygram? :heart: Yeah, looked just like a young Cushing. I was certain they would do a live action show because I couldn't figure out any other reason to cast a well-known sci-fi villain actor in a bit cameo of an established character, and have his one appearance on camera hanging out with the Emperor and Darth Vader. Don't have much interest in Star Wars now, but damn I would've given that show a shot just for Scorpius-as-Imperial-General. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samprimary on May 01, 2014, 07:41:50 AM since the EU is getting banished to the alter-realm of "legacy" star wars, and being removed from official canon and timeline ..
is there like, a list of the absolute worst things in the EU that we can be glad didn't/won't happen and the new movies need pay no attention to whatsoever? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on May 01, 2014, 07:48:01 AM A quick googling turns up a few lists, but I bet we could do better if we tried.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 01, 2014, 07:53:39 AM We're already doing that in the other thread.
:grin: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on May 01, 2014, 08:22:52 AM I'm going to say "All of it!" and be done.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samprimary on May 01, 2014, 08:39:44 AM I'm going to say "All of it!" and be done. I do want them to save Kreia and the Exile, but that may be a study in greys they arent prepared to address. Also maybe kyle katarn can stay. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 01, 2014, 08:49:43 AM But not Dash Rendar.
Dash Rendar is Fucking Awful. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on May 01, 2014, 09:04:29 AM After reading the wiki entry about the Hutt Jedi from the other thread this is how I feel about the EU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a88Z7YOh_us)
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Thrawn on May 01, 2014, 09:49:44 AM Ahsoka Tano was always one of the things I hated the most...but I'm not sure that's even considered "extended universe".
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on May 01, 2014, 10:28:08 AM It's not. Clone Wars is staying canon.
I kind of ended up liking Ahsoka. Took a while, but yeah. I just really, really hope that if there's some kind of new Jedi Order, they end up having a scene where all the new Jedis agree that the old Jedi Order were a bunch of cocksucking assholes who stank the entire galaxy up with their pretensions. The Jedis should not have a big fucking office-building in the middle of the government, they should be in the equivalent of a monastery or cave somewhere away from the center of power, and they should be a bunch of people who have very different ideas about how to live the philosophy they follow--it should be like wuxia, where there's different sects and they all have different ways of operating within some very loose understandings about what it is to be "good". Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samprimary on May 01, 2014, 01:29:30 PM that's actually pretty much how it kind of went down. Luke & company breathed new life into the jedi teachings, making it a much more pragmatic and noble institution as opposed to what came to be recalled as orthodox jedi-ism, which had become ossified, indolent, ineffectual, and philosophically sterile -- too concerned on things like making sure that jedi never formed attachments and never boned and shit like that. (this is another reason why I think they should absolutely keep Kreia - she had borne witness to the would-be fatal weaknesses of Jedi teachings of the time)
master katarn additionally added another pragmatic element of 'you know you're not required to only use a lightsaber, right? blasters and grenades and concussion rifles exist, so' Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on May 01, 2014, 01:55:24 PM since the EU is getting banished to the alter-realm of "legacy" star wars, and being removed from official canon and timeline The EU has never been canon. This basically added clone wars to the existing 6 film canon. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Kail on May 01, 2014, 02:33:29 PM since the EU is getting banished to the alter-realm of "legacy" star wars, and being removed from official canon and timeline The EU has never been canon. This basically added clone wars to the existing 6 film canon. Well, it depends on what you mean by "canon." There was an established canon that authors were supposed to adhere to (e.g. you couldn't kill Luke off right after the battle of Yavin), and there were items that were explicitly stated as being canon (The Force Unleashed springs to mind, being explicitly declared canon by Lucas IIRC). Nerd stuff: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 01, 2014, 02:37:35 PM 5 levels of canon is a perfect example of why starting fresh is a good thing.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on May 01, 2014, 03:04:34 PM Ok, but all that I gather is now irrelevant. Canon is: the movies and Clone Wars. That's it. Even what His Holiness Lucas the First has said means absolutely fuck all at this point (thank goodness).
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on May 01, 2014, 03:05:08 PM Continuity... you're soaking in it. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on May 01, 2014, 04:21:25 PM Ok, but all that I gather is now irrelevant. Canon is: the movies and Clone Wars. That's it. Even what His Holiness Lucas the First has said means absolutely fuck all at this point (thank goodness). You are correct. The EU is all as relevant as fan fiction now. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on May 02, 2014, 05:26:21 AM Are the Ewok movies canon?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on May 02, 2014, 08:03:03 AM What Ewok movies. There are no Ewok movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: 01101010 on May 02, 2014, 08:09:08 AM What Ewok movies. There are no Ewok movies. But but but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SghKMwhak-A :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on May 02, 2014, 12:13:02 PM Id probably watch that over Attack of the Clones.. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Numtini on May 02, 2014, 12:19:25 PM I remain shocked that everyone doesn't put
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Mithas on May 02, 2014, 12:28:55 PM I don't know, I thought it was great minus the Ewoks.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Numtini on May 02, 2014, 12:44:57 PM I don't know, I thought it was great minus the Ewoks. The rescue is fine. I disliked the weird passive woo-woo jedi stuff with Luke refusing to fight. The other half of the movie is little more than an advertisement for Ewok Happy Meals. We could have had Wookies ripping stormtroops arms off. That doesn't sell happy meals though. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Paelos on May 02, 2014, 12:56:54 PM Return of the Jedi is garbage. Luke becomes a douche. Ewoks everywhere. Yub-Nub ending.
I'd start from Empire and end it the right way. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on May 02, 2014, 01:18:52 PM Pet hate of mine is people raging on about how much they 'hated' Return of the Jedi and how only cool ppl like up to ESB.
Fuck off, it was fucking great. Ewoks and all. Man enough to admit it. Comparing Return to the prequels? Take your head out of your ass. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on May 02, 2014, 01:29:35 PM Pet hate of mine is people raging on about how much they 'hated' Return of the Jedi and how only cool ppl like up to ESB. Fuck off, it was fucking great. Ewoks and all. Man enough to admit it. Comparing Return to the prequels? Take your head out of your ass. +1 It's the weakest of the OT but nowhere near prequel levels of suck. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Kail on May 02, 2014, 01:37:02 PM Return of the Jedi is garbage. Luke becomes a douche. Ewoks everywhere. Yub-Nub ending. I'd start from Empire and end it the right way. Counterpoint: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on May 02, 2014, 01:40:22 PM If not for Jedi, how would we ever know that it's a trap?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 02, 2014, 01:51:20 PM I liked all of Jedi, except the Luke/Leia scenes that I thought were badly handled.
It seems to always have been 'in' to hate on the Ewoks, but frankly I've never really understood the hate - They're just primitive wee bears that managed to be a timely distraction. It didn't actually MATTER all that much. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on May 02, 2014, 02:04:02 PM Don't you dare be dissing Yub-Nub. The only bad thing about Jedi was how much more Lucas fucked it up in the Special Edition than the other 2. It's a great movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on May 02, 2014, 02:32:36 PM Pet hate of mine is people raging on about how much they 'hated' Return of the Jedi and how only cool ppl like up to ESB. Fuck off, it was fucking great. Ewoks and all. Man enough to admit it. Comparing Return to the prequels? Take your head out of your ass. +1 It's the weakest of the OT but nowhere near prequel levels of suck. +1 But then I fall behind the Ewok Line. I also find no reason to get neckbeardy and "OMG CHILDHOOD RAPE" over the prequels. Guess what, the audience they were aimed at loved them. The internet needs to grow up some day. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Rendakor on May 02, 2014, 02:36:37 PM Who exactly is the audience the prequels were aimed at?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 02, 2014, 02:58:03 PM Who exactly is the audience the prequels were aimed at? 5 year olds. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on May 02, 2014, 03:01:10 PM Who exactly is the audience the prequels were aimed at? 5 year olds. (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3973816/anakin-burning-to-you-o.gif) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on May 02, 2014, 03:30:07 PM Guess what, the audience they were aimed at loved them. Lots of people like schlock. But it's still schlock. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Velorath on May 02, 2014, 03:37:35 PM Who exactly is the audience the prequels were aimed at? WUA. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Tannhauser on May 02, 2014, 04:04:56 PM Don't you dare be dissing Yub-Nub. The only bad thing about Jedi was how much more Lucas fucked it up in the Special Edition than the other 2. It's a great movie. Agreed. ROTJ is a great movie, we were just spoiled by ESB. Come on, Jabba the Hutt, Lando, Leia in a bikini, The Emperor, Admiral Ackbar, and Luke defeating Vader? The Ewoks were a weak line in the movie for sure, but no movie is perfect. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on May 02, 2014, 04:26:17 PM The Ewoks were a really obvious pandering to kids and toy marketing, and even as a 12-year old kid, I recognized that. It was way too cutesy for the tenseness of the narrative it was paired with (the destruction of the Empire and the salvation of the galaxy). There's comedic relief and then there's just pandering and Ewoks were pandering. It undercut everything that was happening on the Death Star dramatically speaking.
RotJ was still better than any of the prequels. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 02, 2014, 04:39:46 PM "Don't Anakin! I have the high ground!" 5 year olds. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on May 02, 2014, 06:24:21 PM Who exactly is the audience the prequels were aimed at? 5 year olds. Yes. Early results are in: The 40+ crowd on the internet is going to hate JJ Abrams' movies, too. Shocker. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on May 02, 2014, 07:11:52 PM Who exactly is the audience the prequels were aimed at? 5 year olds. Yes. (http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50y7kvNsc1rpl92q.jpg) (http://www.badhaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AnakinCarriesShmisBody-AOTC.jpg) (http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/attack-of-the-clones/attack-clones7.gif) Seriously, if you evaluate them as movies for little kids, they're even worse. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 02, 2014, 07:33:40 PM Seriously, if you evaluate them as movies for little kids, they're even worse. My point exactly. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on May 02, 2014, 07:49:44 PM Because you're kids? Wait, no, you're not.
The kids I've known loved them, boys ages 4-11. As for picking out those scenes, kids aren't as fragile as the west coast continually believes. Some are, but they hide their faces. E.T. was pretty terrifying to young kids, too. http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1p9q9c/to_the_redditors_that_were_kids_when_the_new_star/ F13 is old men bitching about their childhoods on this. Were they good movies? No. Did they do it for the audience they were aiming for? Yes. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on May 02, 2014, 09:03:18 PM I forgot one.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zwoaL7Wz1qc5s9to1_500.gif) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Rendakor on May 02, 2014, 09:44:37 PM I was like 16 when Phantom Menace came out, and I thought it was shit.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on May 03, 2014, 12:05:46 PM Considering that the original Star Wars delighted both kids and adults, and that one of the major changes in popular culture since 1977 has been that filmmakers have discovered that delighting kids and adults with the same film or TV series is actually quite possible, saying that the prequels were deeply beloved by boys 4-12 and that this makes complaining about them stupid is really missing the point. Quite aside from whether it's true that boys who were 4-12 at the initial theatrical release were in fact 100% satisfied, if there was ever an intellectual property that could, should and has managed to accomplish the no-longer-mystifying art of making adults and children happy at the same time, it's Star Wars.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Numtini on May 03, 2014, 12:18:00 PM Star Wars was definitely not a children's film. Kids (me among them) went and loved it, but it was something that grabbed the entire culture.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 03, 2014, 12:21:08 PM I forgot one. (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zwoaL7Wz1qc5s9to1_500.gif) (http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7zsj1rdBL1rsy50k.gif) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on May 03, 2014, 12:28:50 PM Yeah, they laid it on a little heavy with making Anakin kill a bunch of children with no remorse.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 03, 2014, 05:24:13 PM He killed younglings, no children. Durr, don't be such a nerfherder.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Pezzle on May 03, 2014, 09:35:40 PM Every Abrams movie I have seen was shit. The TV stint was also shit. Stop giving him money.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Reg on May 04, 2014, 04:37:34 AM Oh I can see it's going to be fun waiting for this movie to come out.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 04, 2014, 05:06:30 AM I'm going to be passing the time by grafting sabers to my elbows.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on May 04, 2014, 09:07:45 PM Just your elbows? Think of all the great fanfiction waiting to happen. Or probably already has, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be the one to look it up.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Draegan on May 05, 2014, 01:57:18 PM Every Abrams movie I have seen was shit. The TV stint was also shit. Stop giving him money. Both Star Trek movies were better than any Star Trek movie previously made. Except for maybe Khan and the Whale movie. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lantyssa on May 05, 2014, 03:15:05 PM I'm going to be passing the time by grafting sabers to my elbows. Think of the whores, man!Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Hoax on May 05, 2014, 05:21:03 PM As for picking out those scenes, kids aren't as fragile as the west coast continually believes. Some are, but they hide their faces. Come again? I assure you Sam doesn't speak for the entire west coast. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 08, 2014, 01:41:01 AM That's not what his business card says.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: WayAbvPar on May 14, 2014, 09:27:16 AM I am really looking forward to seeing this with my son. He will be right about the same age I was when I saw the original in 1977. Of course, he already knows most of the characters from video games and such, so it won't be quite the sense of wonderment, but he is going to love it. I hope it is watchable for me too.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on May 14, 2014, 09:52:42 AM As long as it has...
- Battles happening in space (ones that don't look like super high res fake video games). - An evil, evil man with a British accent doing evil things possibly also with a fancier-than-average lightsaber. - People getting thrown the fuck around by the Force. Maybe a lightning bolt and a mind trick or two. - Witty banter aboard the Falcon. - BELIEVABLE ACTING. - Plot that is only sorta pants-on-head. Then it will be watchable. It'll be better than the prequels by simple virtue of not having George directing the thing and overdoing the CGI and green screens. That's my guess. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Hoax on May 14, 2014, 11:46:56 AM I hope they lay the fuck off the lightning. Its a really boring thing when everyone uses it all the time. A fight where lightning is being used tends to devolve into an anime/comic two colored beam tug of war fight. Less of that please.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 14, 2014, 02:21:07 PM Also, the lightning always lands on the saber. I always wondered why.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Typhon on May 14, 2014, 02:23:02 PM Because the Jedi looks ahead in time a bit and sees where the lightening is going to arc.
Christ, I know nothing about Star Wars and I knew that. Turn in your card. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 14, 2014, 02:24:23 PM Nope, watch it again. Dracula doesn't even move the damn sword. He just stands there. It's like they're shooting AT THE SABRE.
It's kinda silly. Also, when Palpatine did it, shit went all over the place. ALL OVER LIKE RED HOT SPOOGE. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on May 14, 2014, 02:37:10 PM I assumed force lightning generates a positive charge and lightsabres carry negative charge.
But I too, could live without it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lantyssa on May 14, 2014, 04:38:38 PM Lightning is composed of electrons though, so it's all negative charge arcing through the air. Lightsabers would have to be proton blades under that theory. "Eat x-rays, bitch!"
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on May 14, 2014, 04:47:18 PM Trying to apply physics to Star Wars seems like a fool's errand.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on May 14, 2014, 04:51:45 PM Who's the more foolish, the fool applying physics to Star Wars, or the fool who argues with him?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on May 14, 2014, 04:57:24 PM I just figured it was some D&D type thing where there's some "lightning rod" spell that sufficiently high level Jedis learn as a hard counter to the "lightning bolt" spell. Because after having that be part of the exciting climax to Jedi it was important to completely trivialize and ruin it in the prequels. Shame Yoda didn't get around to teaching Luke how to block it or he could have just stood there smirking at the Emperor.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on May 14, 2014, 05:01:27 PM Well, Yoda did warn Luke that is training was incomplete. The next lesson would have been to catch evil lightning in his hands.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Typhon on May 14, 2014, 05:13:27 PM Nope, watch it again. Dracula doesn't even move the damn sword. He just stands there. It's like they're shooting AT THE SABRE. It's kinda silly. Also, when Palpatine did it, shit went all over the place. ALL OVER LIKE RED HOT SPOOGE. LOL, I concede on this point alone Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on May 14, 2014, 07:41:26 PM UNLIMITED POWER!!!
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on May 15, 2014, 12:07:09 AM Lightning is composed of electrons though, so it's all negative charge arcing through the air. Lightsabers would have to be proton blades under that theory. "Eat x-rays, bitch!" Based on the similarity between force lightning and actual lightning it is more likely that the lighting user is generating a positive charge that sucks electrons up. In which case the sabre would carry a negative charge. That was what I assumed was happening, and worked for me as a rationalisation of why Jedi and Sith don't just lightning bolt each other all the damn time. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on May 15, 2014, 12:16:43 AM It should also probably be considered the ultimate display of Force mastery, and something the good guys would shy away from. Something that only a guy like Palps would, or even could, use against someone. And it shouldn't be casually blocked by a saber in any event, that just makes it meaningless.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on May 15, 2014, 12:47:06 AM It smacks of "oh crap, when don't the dark side people just zap jedi with this stuff all the time." I always thought that Yoda and the Emperor didn't have lightsabers because they were so strong a pitiful little laser sword was pointless. But in the end Episode 2 (I just threw up typing the words "Episode 2..." oh god it happened again) we for learn it's actually the exact opposite when Yoda and Dooku need to fight with lightsabers. I hate that scene so much.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Margalis on May 15, 2014, 02:41:03 AM One of the huge problems with Star Wars is that there is so much of it but so little of it is good, so everything that is good has to become a high-tier concept. If one guy does a cool thing in a movie that cool thing has to later be given a name, show up in games, show up in books....if there is a cool robot in the background of a scene later on that robot has to have a backstory, be part of some alien robot race, etc. "Bounty Hunter" and "Smuggler" have to be playable classes in an MMO.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 15, 2014, 08:36:31 AM One of the huge problems with Star Wars is that there is so much of it but so little of it is good, so everything that is good has to become a high-tier concept. If one guy does a cool thing in a movie that cool thing has to later be given a name, show up in games, show up in books....if there is a cool robot in the background of a scene later on that robot has to have a backstory, be part of some alien robot race, etc. "Bounty Hunter" and "Smuggler" have to be playable classes in an MMO. Exactly, Boba Fett isn't just come guy in armor trying to make a buck collecting bounties, he's from an ancient RACE of warriors and bounty hunters, wearing the tradiional armor of his spartan like people. Everything, EVERYTHING outside the original movies is a terrible fan fiction nightmare. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 15, 2014, 09:10:17 AM Exactly, Boba Fett isn't just come guy in armor trying to make a buck collecting bounties, he's from an ancient RACE of warriors and bounty hunters, wearing the tradiional armor of his spartan like people. lol. You kinda missed the point, I think. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Bunk on May 15, 2014, 09:18:37 AM Exactly, Boba Fett isn't just come guy in armor trying to make a buck collecting bounties, he's from an ancient RACE of warriors and bounty hunters, wearing the tradiional armor of his spartan like people. Everything, EVERYTHING outside the original movies is a terrible fan fiction nightmare. Mandalorians weren't a race, more like a culture. There were members of various species. I'm too ashamed to put this in bigger font. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 15, 2014, 09:46:51 AM Exactly, Boba Fett isn't just come guy in armor trying to make a buck collecting bounties, he's from an ancient RACE of warriors and bounty hunters, wearing the tradiional armor of his spartan like people. lol. You kinda missed the point, I think. Maybe I worded it wrong but what I mean is even the whole mandalorian thing isn't actually in the movies, it's more ridiculous backstory that is not needed, just agreeing with margalis. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on May 15, 2014, 09:52:01 AM But it's canon now, since Mandalore was in the Clone Wars cartoon. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 15, 2014, 10:22:11 AM Exactly, Boba Fett isn't just come guy in armor trying to make a buck collecting bounties, he's from an ancient RACE of warriors and bounty hunters, wearing the tradiional armor of his spartan like people. lol. You kinda missed the point, I think. Maybe I worded it wrong but what I mean is even the whole mandalorian thing isn't actually in the movies, it's more ridiculous backstory that is not needed, just agreeing with margalis. Aha, I see. The wording threw me off. In which case, I missed your point entirely ! IRONY!!! Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on May 15, 2014, 11:16:52 AM In his autobiography, Christopher Lee makes it damn clear without saying so because lawyers that he HATED those movies and he hated being in them. And he said that Lucas "knew exactly what he wanted" which you know meant that he thought Lucas was utter shit.
So him standing there "blocking" was probably him in "O.k. I'll stand here like you want because I really don't give a fuck, you ass" mode. Nope, watch it again. Dracula doesn't even move the damn sword. He just stands there. It's like they're shooting AT THE SABRE. It's kinda silly. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 15, 2014, 11:41:51 AM Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I don't want ANYONE to think I'm slagging off any of the Actors. Every single one of them (and I mean Everyone) was better than being in those turds. Even the fucking dude that decided to be a lawyer instead. Christopher Lee was clearly paying the mortgage and I respect that utterly. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Johny Cee on May 15, 2014, 02:13:07 PM Christopher Lee was clearly paying the mortgage and I respect that utterly. Woah, woah, woah. The prequels weren't very good, but Christopher Lee has done far, far, FAR worse shit. Besides a zillion B-movies with sets made from cardboard and the awful Charlie and the Chocolate Factory unnecessary and terrible reboot, can we forget: (http://www.hmss.com/films/survey/Christopher%20Lee%2009.jpg) Not pictured: His three nipples, solar death array/energy source thing, or his midget butler. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on May 15, 2014, 02:18:27 PM You do not diss the Man with the Golden Gun, motherfucker. I will cut a bitch.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on May 15, 2014, 02:19:23 PM British actors who will take any role offered to them and give no fucks is a time-honored tradition. See also: Caine, Michael and Hopkins, Anthony.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on May 15, 2014, 02:20:26 PM Man with the golden gun isn't even in the bottom half of bond films.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on May 15, 2014, 02:22:45 PM British actors who will take any role offered to them and give no fucks is a time-honored tradition. See also: Caine, Michael and Hopkins, Anthony. <Caine's quote about the house Jaws 4 built goes here. > Jackson has taken a similar attitude, as would I if ever I were to become an actor. I've got bills to pay and they've got money. <Lum's Bagel & Insurance quote here> Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 16, 2014, 01:49:12 AM Hey, what was wrong with Scaramanga ?
I thought that wasn't a bad Bond film... But yeah, he's done worse. (I don't like Wickerman. I know, I know, stop shouting, I don't like it.) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on May 16, 2014, 04:12:25 AM You do not diss the Man with the Golden Gun, motherfucker. I will cut a bitch. Queue starts here! Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on May 16, 2014, 08:01:25 AM But yeah, he's done worse. (I don't like Wickerman. I know, I know, stop shouting, I don't like it.) The Nicholas Cage movie? :why_so_serious: *runs* But yeah you can tell when an actor is having a ball. He had a bit part in Gremlins II and you could tell he was having a ball in that one. Totally silly movie but balls of fun. I saw Micheal Caine on Parkinson once and Caine admitted quite openly that the majority of the movies he had made were crap, but had paid the bills. Parkinson asked him what was the worst movie he had ever made, and after a second's thought Caine said "The Swarm," not just because it was utter garbage, but they kept the bees trapped in their hive between takes. Bees don't go to the loo inside their hives, so when they let them out to go on the rampage, the first thign they did was find something to go relieve themselves on, so after a few takes their lab coats were stained a light shade of brown. Its sad when your movie is so bad that even the Bees shit all over you... Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: WayAbvPar on May 16, 2014, 09:55:40 AM Hey, what was wrong with Scaramanga ? I thought that wasn't a bad Bond film... But yeah, he's done worse. (I don't like Wickerman. I know, I know, stop shouting, I don't like it.) Not even the Britt Eklund scene? Because DAMN. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: angry.bob on May 16, 2014, 10:00:32 AM Yeah, anytime I've heard someone ask Micheal Caine about why he felt he should do a movie he's given some variation of "Well, I read the script and felt that I like to buy things so fuckit". I've always really liked Micheal Caine, even in some terrible stuff.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 16, 2014, 01:22:46 PM My cocaine.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Draegan on May 23, 2014, 06:32:56 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNiC9iKM0Q
Oh look. Some asshole decided to film on location and not use special effects for creatures. Film is ruined. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on May 23, 2014, 06:43:14 AM Heh, it's funny because I saw an article slamming The Hobbit for being Prequels II yesterday. Seems the last movie is being filmed almost entirely in front of a green screen.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on May 23, 2014, 03:11:37 PM I'll just leave this here (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27533605) since it doesn't really warrant its own thread (yet).
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 23, 2014, 09:38:07 PM Heh, it's funny because I saw an article slamming The Hobbit for being Prequels II yesterday. Seems the last movie is being filmed almost entirely in front of a green screen. I saw some pictures, seeing that much green makes me cringe. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Simond on May 24, 2014, 01:52:42 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNiC9iKM0Q Every time I see him on video now I can't help but think he should be holding pieces of kaiju or one of Ron Perlman's shoes. :grin:Oh look. Some asshole decided to film on location and not use special effects for creatures. Film is ruined. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on May 24, 2014, 02:03:38 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfNiC9iKM0Q Oh look. Some asshole decided to film on location and not use special effects for creatures. Film is ruined. Rather awesome wee vid. Also marks the first time I've seen that chap talking and haven't wanted to punch him. (Not for his movies or anything like that, it's just he always sets off my douchebag radar. Don't know why.) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on May 24, 2014, 12:11:41 PM Because he looks like a smug douchebag. I don't know if he is, but he sure looks it.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ginaz on June 02, 2014, 04:16:54 PM Casting update. It looks like Lupita Nyong’o and Gwendoline Christie are now in. :heart: :heart:
http://blogs.canoe.ca/projectionist/movies/star-wars-episode-vii-adds-lupita-nyongo-and-game-of-thrones-gwendoline-christie/ Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on June 02, 2014, 05:11:52 PM Leaked pics from set .. (http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/02/star-wars-episode-7-set-photos-secret-pics-new-creature/)
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 02, 2014, 05:29:11 PM I think with how tight they assuredly are keeping things locked down, anything released can be put in quotations as "leaked".
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on June 20, 2014, 03:35:55 PM Rian Johnson of Looper and Brick to write and direct episodes Eight and Nine. (http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/star-wars-rian-johnson-director-next-two-movies/)
Quote Johnson will take over the core film franchise, and he’ll get started quickly and this will be his preoccupation for quite awhile. Technically, he’ll write that second treatment but the intention on both sides is that he direct the two installments. From his twitter page comes this... https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/480056853435396096 Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 20, 2014, 03:58:21 PM That twitter post alone gives me confidence.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on June 20, 2014, 04:17:53 PM The whole movie will be about Han and Luke trying to catch a fly in the cargo hold of the MF.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 20, 2014, 05:09:24 PM The whole movie will be about Han and Luke trying to catch a fly in the cargo hold of the MF. I'd watch that in a heartbeat. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: shiznitz on June 23, 2014, 10:33:23 AM The whole movie will be about Han and Luke trying to catch a fly in the cargo hold of the MF. Make it shoot a fly with blasters in a magneticallly shielded spherical room and it will win an Oscar. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: DraconianOne on July 21, 2014, 07:47:14 AM New request for charity support featuring a pretty clear view of an updated version of an OT ship. (Possible spoiler?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBGrkc360M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBGrkc360M) Observations: EDIT: link fixed after unnecessary snark. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on July 21, 2014, 08:53:50 AM Here's the video for those who actually want to see it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWBGrkc360M#t=67)
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on July 21, 2014, 09:42:31 AM Odd that it only appears to have two engines. Has two lasers on each side, though, so I assume those thing split apart into X-foils somehow. Until I saw the lasers, I was thinking it was an old Z95 Headhunter.
/endnerd Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lantyssa on July 21, 2014, 09:46:46 AM Either the engines split or it is based on the Z-95.
Meepeep! :heart: (I really need to do my roomba-mouse droid conversion kit idea some day.) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: DraconianOne on July 21, 2014, 09:47:37 AM Odd that it only appears to have two engines. Has two lasers on each side, though, so I assume those thing split apart into X-foils somehow. Until I saw the lasers, I was thinking it was an old Z95 Headhunter. /endnerd Yes, it does - but the original McQuarrie art looked like this: (http://i.imgur.com/7c5rsy6.jpg?1?3325) and this is a model based on the prototype (allegedly) built for the studio by McQuarrie and Joe Johnston (http://i.imgur.com/zGiCEi4.jpg) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on July 21, 2014, 09:54:59 AM Oooooh, yeah, it looks like that. I had forgotten that the nacelles have looked like that in some versions. Am used to seeing fully round ones on each wing.
Headhunters only have hardpoints for a single laser on each wing, so it couldn't have been one of those anyway I think. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on July 21, 2014, 10:41:07 AM My guess is they used McQuarrie's design as a tribute and will explain it in the movie as a refit of the old X-wings.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: angry.bob on July 21, 2014, 12:17:28 PM The wings look like they split at the outboard side of the engines into a front half and a back half.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on July 21, 2014, 03:03:41 PM Supposedly a lot is pulled from McQuarrie's art.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 21, 2014, 03:29:39 PM This image is the best one I found to describe the new design.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 21, 2014, 03:31:35 PM Also...
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Tannhauser on July 21, 2014, 03:33:24 PM Are you Mr. Fantastic? Because that's one hell of a stretch. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 21, 2014, 03:34:09 PM Sarcasm? It's a stretch to assume that is just from normal wear and tear.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on July 21, 2014, 04:49:43 PM No, it's battle scarring for sure, the question is who's the enemy. Most doubt this is going to be a rehash of a bad 1990s Dark Horse Comic meme.
I'm still only seeing a Z-95, though. Too many goddamn hours of X-wing and TIE Fighter. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on July 22, 2014, 04:08:12 PM In case nobody saw this...
How the S foils work. (https://twitter.com/SiMBa37/status/491520848919277568) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on July 22, 2014, 06:49:47 PM Whew. I'm glad that national nightmare has come to an end. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 22, 2014, 07:05:30 PM Whew. I'm glad that national nightmare has come to an end. :awesome_for_real: This? This is only a light sprinkle. There's a an internet shitstorm brewing, one the likes we have never seen. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on July 22, 2014, 07:36:22 PM It's as if a million fanboys cried out in nerdrage and were sadly not silenced.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on July 22, 2014, 08:35:20 PM I think it'll be interesting to see if this gets the kind of backlash his Star Trek movies did. While the second one has lots of issues the first was a darn good movie but to hear Star Trek fans tell it, JJ has ruined the franchise for all time. It's like they've never watched Enterprise.
Then again, after George Lucas raped the corpse of Star Wars, this franchise can only get better. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on July 22, 2014, 10:58:08 PM I think it'll be interesting to see if this gets the kind of backlash his Star Trek movies did. While the second one has lots of issues the first was a darn good movie but to hear Star Trek fans tell it, JJ has ruined the franchise for all time. It's like they've never watched Fixed Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on July 22, 2014, 11:05:17 PM I think it'll be interesting to see if this gets the kind of backlash his Star Trek movies did. While the second one has lots of issues the first was a darn good movie but to hear Star Trek fans tell it, JJ has ruined the franchise for all time. It's like they've never watched Fixed Fixed Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: DraconianOne on July 23, 2014, 04:20:29 AM I think it'll be interesting to see if this gets the kind of backlash his Star Trek movies did. While the second one has lots of issues the first was a darn good movie but to hear Star Trek fans tell it, JJ has ruined the franchise for all time. It's like they've never watched Enterprise. Then again, after George Lucas raped the corpse of Star Wars, this franchise can only get better. On the whole I enjoyed the second one, warts and all, probably because I'm not a Star Trek fan. But I spent most of the film thinking "this is more Star Wars than Star Trek." Quite honestly, the scene with the Enterprise crashing at the end was more (http://i.imgur.com/RvKoXtj.jpg) than Trek. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on July 23, 2014, 04:39:22 AM A lot of Trek fans liked the first one. I certainly did.
The second one was total toss tho. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on July 23, 2014, 06:46:33 AM A lot of Trek fans liked the first one. I certainly did. The second one was total toss tho. Anecdotally I've noticed a lot of Trek fans (I'm getting this from interactions in STO and on some forums) hate the "JJverse." It almost comes across like a hipster cool thing to do as opposed to genuine feelings though. "Oh, it's new, and the enterprise doesn't look like it did in the 60s." The 2nd one had some good moments but went off the rails towards the end which isn't surprising with Damon Lindwhatever writing it. Anyway, I'm looking forward to this. Say it with me people: Not written or directed by George Lucas. I thought Star Trek improved when Gene Rodenberry started losing power over it and it got much better after he died and I think Star Wars will be the same. Lucas never really 'got' his own movies and why people loved them. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 23, 2014, 06:51:40 AM Long time trek fan and I don't hate the JJverse as a whole. It's nice to have a new take on the classics but they are just way too action oriented to be good trek. Of course hollywood WANTS big action films and tried pushing the TNG movies into it which failed horribly for many reason but primarily because TNG was NOT an action series to begin with. The new trek films have been action movies from the get go and while that was fine for at least the first film in that "oh look, this is new and exciting!" way, it got old fast and as soon as they started retreading the most popular stuff (khaaaaaaaan!) but ya know, actiony, that's when people threw in the towel.
Nothing is wrong with either JJtrek movies on paper but they are just grimdark action movies that no one asked for. Also, tribble blood revived kirk from the dead, so there's that. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2014, 07:02:28 AM Long time trek fan and I don't hate the JJverse as a whole. It's nice to have a new take on the classics but they are just way too action oriented to be good trek. Of course hollywood WANTS big action films and tried pushing the TNG movies into it which failed horribly for many reason but primarily because Nothing is wrong with either JJtrek movies on paper but they are just grimdark action movies that no one asked for. Also, tribble blood revived kirk from the dead, so there's that. Changed it, because it's not just about TNG. Even DS9 and the shit-shows that came after it kept to part of the Trek/ Sci-Fi premise of asking "big questions" while inserting T&A and character melodrama. (Granted it started to be less and less of the first and more of the latter two) Nu-Trek as a whole said, "Fuck that, Michael Bay has it right. Explosions, thin stories to get us places and fuck whatever logic there is. We need blockbusters and we need more of them!" It's the same problem the Prequels had. Abandoning what the earlier work was about, to chase something the property wasn't. Wars has never been more than the movies to me. The EU was a distraction, fluffy entertainment. The SW movies were all about spectacle and a convoluted story arc of 'convenient coincidence' and as much logic as greek myths. The Hero's Journey. Trying to make it more is what hurt the prequels the most, believing in its own hype. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on July 23, 2014, 07:04:35 AM Long time trek fan and I don't hate the JJverse as a whole. It's nice to have a new take on the classics but they are just way too action oriented to be good trek. Of course hollywood WANTS big action films and tried pushing the TNG movies into it which failed horribly for many reason but primarily because TNG was NOT an action series to begin with. The new trek films have been action movies from the get go and while that was fine for at least the first film in that "oh look, this is new and exciting!" way, it got old fast and as soon as they started retreading the most popular stuff (khaaaaaaaan!) but ya know, actiony, that's when people threw in the towel. Nothing is wrong with either JJtrek movies on paper but they are just grimdark action movies that no one asked for. Also, tribble blood revived kirk from the dead, so there's that. I think the first one is exactly what Trek needed. It was getting stale to be blunt. Sure it had lens flares and some plot inconsistencies but it was the best Trek movie since First Contact and the best thing in Trek in general since Ds9 IMO. The 2nd one would have been 1000X better if John Harrison was just John Harrison, didn't have magical blood and they didn't feel the need to redo the end of the best Trek movie but just switch the roles. Also, they started out making him somewhat sympathetic and intriguing as a character then went "RAWR I'M EVUL!" at the end which just sucked. I think it would have been much more interesting if they made it so he represented a moral crisis for Kirk and the crew. They should have kept the Admiral as the villain and made John Harrison a man who did something very wrong but for the right reasons. Anyway, back to Star Wars. JJ needs to put out a trailer! I saw Kevin Smith's 10 minute talk about his set visit and it's hard not to get excited after listening to him talk about how tactile everything is and how JJ 'gets it'. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on July 23, 2014, 07:11:17 AM The 2nd one had some good moments but went off the rails towards the end which isn't surprising with Damon Lindwhatever writing it. I'd say it went off the rails about five minutes in, but hey ho. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on July 23, 2014, 08:04:47 AM I'm reasonably interested in what the new SW films will be. I think the property is closer to Abrams' heart and talents. And in some ways there's a clearer template out there of what good Star Wars is and what bad Star Wars is that should hopefully guide this along. Plus they're also doing a good job of getting some different people in the door to direct and write further down the line so it's not just JJ Abrams and his two scriptwriter goons.
Disney has its weaknesses but one thing that they do sort of seem to understand at this point is how to nurture franchises. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: 01101010 on July 23, 2014, 08:19:39 AM Nu-Trek as a whole said, "Fuck that, Michael Bay has it right. Explosions, thin stories to get us places and fuck whatever logic there is. We need blockbusters and we need more of them!" It's the same problem the Prequels had. Abandoning what the earlier work was about, to chase something the property wasn't. Wars has never been more than the movies to me. The EU was a distraction, fluffy entertainment. The SW movies were all about spectacle and a convoluted story arc of 'convenient coincidence' and as much logic as greek myths. The Hero's Journey. Trying to make it more is what hurt the prequels the most, believing in its own hype. I am interested in the new SW, but only mildly because of this reason. I have zero faith that Abrams will do anything more than a blockbuster space action movie in the Star Wars setting - just as he did with the Trek movie. That is about the only thing tempering my enthusiasm. I hope it turns out to be much more, but recent history doesn't bode well. And this is not to say the original SW movies were masterpieces of film, but they had more substance IMHO. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on July 23, 2014, 08:42:16 AM Yes, but what will be the Mystery Box for these films?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: eldaec on July 23, 2014, 09:15:02 AM Did someone just use the phrase "the best trek movie since First Contact"? Because that seriously makes absolutely no sense.
But as others have said JJ Trek 1 was fun, JJ Trek 2 was a terrible movie and I say that as someone who gives zero fucks about trek continuity. It's just a bad film that fails as an action blockbuster regardless of how it compares to other trek films. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on July 23, 2014, 10:03:43 AM The only Trek series I ever watched with any consistency was TNG, and I rather liked it. Far more than the original. That said, I just started watching Enterprise for the first time ever, and am about 10 shows into the first season. I do not understand why people supposedly hate this one? It is actually a bit less cheesy than some Trek, but in general it seems like it follows the basic templated. And I like a few of the characters already. So what is it that I am supposed to hate, exactly?
I am not being snarky, I am serious. I have a high level of tolerance for continuity issues and general suspension of disbelief, so maybe that is why I am not getting it. Or perhaps my neck lacks sufficient beardiness. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2014, 10:10:36 AM The pandering really got on a lot of people's nerves. "Hey, we have a hot lady vulcan. Let's find every opportunity to strip her down, oil her up and make her wear incredibly tight clothes."
Other than that I'm failing to remember the rest of the complaints. I think some were centered around the hippy doctor with his animal cures. I remember that the underdog status of the Enterprise that rubbed people the wrong way. "Fuck this, we're Humans and The Federation should always be top dog" Also the time war nonsense really got tiring. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on July 23, 2014, 10:14:13 AM Wait...it is a bad thing to want the hot lady vulcan to be stripped down and oiled up? I think I see where the divergence here is.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Numtini on July 23, 2014, 10:17:40 AM I never hated Enterprise, I just had way too much Trek-Fatigue at that point and there was nothing particularly great about it either. We watched the first season, maybe into the second and drifted off. I think it also suffered from not having a tight story arc, something that I just take for granted these days in SFF shows and have since B5. Voyager is the one I really couldn't stand, but it was still mostly just because it was "meh"and I'd just as soon they warp into a sun for all I cared about the characters.
I really dislike the new movies because they're just not Trek to me. I think his talents will be far better suited to SW. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Draegan on July 23, 2014, 10:22:14 AM Enterprise was really terrible early on. But towards the end it was actually pretty decent. Shame the good episodes came when they knew the show was being cancelled. The new Trek movies were pretty good. I enjoyed them. Not amazing, but fun.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nebu on July 23, 2014, 10:32:52 AM The new Trek movies were pretty good. I enjoyed them. Not amazing, but fun. Compared to the last three Star Wars movies, the latest Trek films were Oscar candidates. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Reg on July 23, 2014, 10:37:37 AM I think it was season 3 of Enterprise with the Space Nazis that really killed the show. Season 4 was actually good and probably should have saved it if it hadn't already been cancelled.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on July 23, 2014, 01:56:18 PM Enterprise had a good cast but the writing was just shitty. I remember the episode with the Orion slave girls about made me sprain my eyes from rolling them so hard. "So, the Orion slave girls actually run the entire Orion government and lots of other stuff too." That was just a level of stupid I couldn't tolerate and felt like utter PC bullshit. "We can't have slavegirls...uhhh....they're secretly in charge!"
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on July 23, 2014, 03:43:07 PM Enterprise had a good cast but the writing was just shitty. I remember the episode with the Orion slave girls about made me sprain my eyes from rolling them so hard. "So, the Orion slave girls actually run the entire Orion government and lots of other stuff too." That was just a level of stupid I couldn't tolerate and felt like utter PC bullshit. "We can't have slavegirls...uhhh....they're secretly in charge!" Slave-run governments exist in our own history, it's not a real stretch to imagine them existing elsewhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 23, 2014, 03:46:40 PM Enterprise was just one big fan wank. I remember in the first episode it was supposed to be this cool low-tech space cowboy shit. Discovering the universe, making mistakes along the way while being the underdog. Then in the second episode "oh look we invented photon torpedoes!" and it just got worse from there. They couldn't stand a new concept for more than 60minutes.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on July 23, 2014, 08:11:17 PM Nothing is wrong with either JJtrek movies on paper No, actually paper is where EVERYTHING is wrong with them, at least as far as Into Darkness goes. It was an idiotic script with really very terrible fan wank service to good spots in Trek history that went horribly horribly wrong because the people writing it didn't really give a shit about Trek and though that if they just mentioned tribbles and did the KHAAAAN!!!! thing and had a character die then come back only reverse who it was that somehow it would be ok. Into Darkness was a well-filmed adaptation of a SUPREMELY shitty script. It isn't even that they didn't respect the material, they didn't respect the audience. It was big, loud and dumb. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 23, 2014, 08:30:37 PM Aw cmon we don't even disagree but it was just an expression. What I mean is the idea of "hey, let's do an action oriented trek movie" is not inherently bad and doesn't automatically make it not trek. Yes, the actual script was terrible.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ironwood on July 24, 2014, 01:19:23 AM Enterprise was just one big fan wank. I remember in the first episode it was supposed to be this cool low-tech space cowboy shit. Discovering the universe, making mistakes along the way while being the underdog. Then in the second episode "oh look we invented photon torpedoes!" and it just got worse from there. They couldn't stand a new concept for more than 60minutes. Anti-Radiation Oiling. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on July 25, 2014, 01:03:52 PM Video interview of Mark Hamill interview at Guardians of the Galaxy premeire in the UK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-28466562), for those interested. I hadn't anticipated that they'd have him grow a Kenobi beard (most renditions of Old Luke that I've seen have him clean-shaven), but he wears it well.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nebu on July 25, 2014, 02:06:00 PM I hadn't anticipated that they'd have him grow a Kenobi beard (most renditions of Old Luke that I've seen have him clean-shaven), but he wears it well. Anything that hides his face is a plus. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Tannhauser on July 25, 2014, 02:42:07 PM The guy is going to be as old, or a year older than Alec Guiness was when he did A New Hope.
Soak that in. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on July 25, 2014, 04:08:13 PM Kind of awesome to me.
The funny part is Ford is almost a decade older than 'the old man' Cushing was. (Ford is 72, Cushing was 64) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Numtini on July 25, 2014, 04:46:04 PM The guy is going to be as old, or a year older than Alec Guiness was when he did A New Hope. Soak that in. I hate you. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: 01101010 on July 25, 2014, 04:58:39 PM The guy is going to be as old, or a year older than Alec Guiness was when he did A New Hope. Soak that in. I hate you. Me too... Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on July 25, 2014, 05:04:37 PM The guy is going to be as old, or a year older than Alec Guiness was when he did A New Hope. Soak that in. I hate you. Me too... Add me to the list. Damn you. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on July 25, 2014, 05:19:41 PM Do you feel sometimes that age is against you?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on July 25, 2014, 06:52:17 PM Sing, and rejoice.
and sing and rejoice. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ginaz on July 25, 2014, 10:08:57 PM I hadn't anticipated that they'd have him grow a Kenobi beard (most renditions of Old Luke that I've seen have him clean-shaven), but he wears it well. Anything that hides his face is a plus. No kidding. Some people don't age well at all. He is not a handsome man. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Morat20 on July 25, 2014, 10:10:13 PM Do you feel sometimes that age is against you? I feel the guys in the medical fields are not building magic nanobots that will end aging fast enough.Ginaz: Well, he'd have probably looked better if not for that face versus glass versus road incident in his youth. I suspect "massive facial trauma" ages your face a bit. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on July 25, 2014, 10:17:16 PM Yeah, I remember hearing about how he had some scarring or something from an accident. At least he's looking more like Mark Hamill again. There was a stretch there where I guess he had put on so much weight he was literally unrecognizable. The first time I saw the episode of Chuck with Hamill in it I had no idea it was him until I watched it a second time specifically looking for him.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on July 25, 2014, 10:25:59 PM Yeah, he had to have a large amount of facial reconstructive surgery before "The Empire Strikes Back." Oddly, it was during the filming for empire that his talent for voice acting came out and started getting him noticed for it, as he started doing Yoda impressions that cracked people up and pissed off Frank Oz as he did a better Yoda than Oz did.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nebu on July 25, 2014, 11:59:30 PM The guy is going to be as old, or a year older than Alec Guiness was when he did A New Hope. Soak that in. I saw the first Star Wars at a drive-in in the backseat of my brother's 1969 Mustang Mach I fastback. :geezer: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on July 26, 2014, 01:09:14 AM Mark hasn't aged well at all. His voice has also become sort of...odd...somehow. He doesn't come across to me as the wise old Jedi, but rather the sort of crazy old uncle who might be a bit drunk most of the time. On the other hand, I think he is a decent actor and his voice work has been nothing short of phenomenal. I really don't know what to expect from him from this movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: DraconianOne on July 26, 2014, 01:29:57 AM Mark hasn't aged well at all. His voice has also become sort of...odd...somehow. In a "older man who's been straining his voice playing the Joker for 20 years" kind of way? Yeah, I noticed that. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Cyrrex on July 26, 2014, 02:28:33 AM Yeah, gravelly, growling and sort of evil sounding.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Tannhauser on July 26, 2014, 04:16:28 AM It would be funny if he was the bad guy in the first movie. "Uh, Lord Skywalker, your academy is turning out a lot of Sith."
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: 01101010 on July 26, 2014, 04:41:18 AM The guy is going to be as old, or a year older than Alec Guiness was when he did A New Hope. Soak that in. I saw the first Star Wars at a drive-in in the backseat of my brother's 1969 Mustang Mach I fastback. :geezer: Same scenario, but it was my mother's Pinto wagon. I was 4, but still watched the whole thing. I still remember my mother reading me the intro, light sabers and laser gun fights. But that is about all I can piece together from that viewing. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: NowhereMan on July 26, 2014, 05:16:11 AM It would be funny if he was the bad guy in the first movie. "Uh, Lord Skywalker, your academy is turning out a lot of Sith." I'm now imagining him dressed in black Sith robes just answering with the Joker laugh... :ye_gods: :drill: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lucas on July 26, 2014, 05:27:23 AM He was much better as Christopher Blair in Wing Commander 3, 4 and 5 :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on July 26, 2014, 07:09:08 AM Yeah My dream interview question would be "So Mr Hamill, lets talk about your role as a fighter pilot fighting an evil empire that single highhandedly saves the day. I am, of course, talking about Christopher Blair." :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Surlyboi on July 26, 2014, 07:59:20 AM Sing, and rejoice. and sing and rejoice. Life to you is a dashing, bold adventure... As for Hamill's looks, I think he's done pretty well, considering he had his face rebuilt in the early eighties when plastic surgery was significantly less advanced. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: pxib on July 26, 2014, 02:04:03 PM (https://31.media.tumblr.com/e8f68220ad1addffd19ed27930f1d1d3/tumblr_inline_n99ajho9pM1qjhons.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on July 26, 2014, 03:07:13 PM Yeah, the beard looks good on him.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Morat20 on July 26, 2014, 05:13:46 PM Yeah, he pulls it off. Kinda grizzled, but it works.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Khaldun on July 26, 2014, 06:00:38 PM Totally works for me.
He might turn out to be the genuine actor in that trinity. Ford lost all the softness and insouciance of Han Solo in every single subsequent role--a less "rogue-like" actor is hard to imagine. Carrie Fisher, well, she's funny and interesting and 100% addled. But I'm actually curious about what Hamill will do because his voice acting suggests real range and imagination. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 26, 2014, 06:03:18 PM Ford has been coasting on indiana jones and phoning it in for the better part of 20 years now. Hamill has had to work for a living and it seems like he's sharpened his chops, at least where voice acting is concerned. Fisher is probably insane which could go either way.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on July 26, 2014, 11:19:20 PM Ford has been coasting on indiana jones and phoning it in for the better part of 20 years now. Hamill has had to work for a living and it seems like he's sharpened his chops, at least where voice acting is concerned. Fisher is probably insane which could go either way. No probably about it. Fisher is, if memory serves, bipolar. I'd say out of the three of them she is probably the one with the quickest wit and the smartest person. Hamill is the nerd of the group who loves this stuff and I think it'll come across in his acting. Ford...well, Ford is ironically the one I have the least expectations of. As he's aged he's seemed to be more and more grumpy old man and less charming rogue. I just can't figure out how he'll recapture Han Solo and to be honest, I think he's arrogant enough he won't put much effort into it unless J.J. rides his ass hard about it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 27, 2014, 05:51:13 AM he won't put much effort into it unless J.J. rides his ass hard about it. Let's just say that door didn't fall on it's own..... :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: shiznitz on July 28, 2014, 08:08:09 AM Fisher is probably insane which could go either way. She should voice a hutt. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on September 13, 2014, 01:58:51 AM Holy shnikies, got led into this by the teaser for Ep.IV that sorta went viral today, but the first three are AMAZING. Re-cut and audio replaced to make incredible shorts:
Episode I: Jedi Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSCm8yAxBr8&list=RDWSCm8yAxBr8#t=0) Episode II: The Friend Zone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8aSJBC9u0) Episode III: Revenge of Middle Management (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itkl7cHcX_E) Ep IV. Teaser: Star Wars Without Williams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on September 13, 2014, 07:41:53 PM The Chewbacca parts of Ep. IV really make it work.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on September 15, 2014, 12:04:03 PM Holy crap, Ab, those were amazing. Thanks for sharing, the wife bitched about me laughing so much in bed as I was watching them.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: DraconianOne on September 18, 2014, 08:43:58 AM New video from Bad Robot. I :heart: obscure little references like this.
When you see it... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C7lUfVIOa4&feature=youtu.be) :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on September 18, 2014, 09:01:02 AM Oh he is really taking the piss now.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Phildo on September 18, 2014, 09:04:15 AM Not sure I get that one.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: RhyssaFireheart on September 18, 2014, 10:11:43 AM Not sure I get that one. Same here. What am I (not) seeing?Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on September 18, 2014, 10:13:27 AM The music changes to the Dark Knight music and that's the Batmobile shape on the underside of the Falcon. It's a response to Zac Synder's joke post that showed the crashed Batmobile and a joyriding Stormtrooper.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: RhyssaFireheart on September 18, 2014, 10:17:13 AM O I C.
(not) Guess it didn't help that I can't listen to audio at work (well, too lazy to put the earbuds in each time) and I didn't know about the Batman thing at all. I guess that context is really needed for me, lol. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on September 18, 2014, 07:29:07 PM Ill admit the first 15 seconds of that clip gave me goosebumps.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on October 02, 2014, 09:32:55 PM Pretty huge spoiler about SW7 has hit, it's "I'm your father" huge. So I'd watch out.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Abagadro on October 02, 2014, 09:57:55 PM Going to be hard to avoid for 14 months.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: murdoc on October 03, 2014, 09:27:15 AM As soon as I read 'spoiler' I figured out what it was.
It's also very much not a spoiler at this point, but some pretty big speculation based on some shadowy information that someone may or may not have. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on October 03, 2014, 10:28:20 AM I'm happy I'm at a place I'm not searching it out and don't know what it could possibly be related to.
Hooray. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on October 03, 2014, 11:24:58 AM Eh, whatever.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 03, 2014, 01:03:13 PM That's not a spoiler. It's speculation. There's nothing to suggest that they aren't putting out false leaks to surprise fans even more when the film does come out. Only thing more dramatic than an I'm Your Father spoiler is when you go in with it to discover it's really I'm Your Mother, and don't you feel stupid!
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on October 03, 2014, 01:58:03 PM That's not a spoiler. It's speculation. There's nothing to suggest that they aren't putting out false leaks to surprise fans even more when the film does come out. Only thing more dramatic than an I'm Your Father spoiler is when you go in with it to discover it's really I'm Your Mother, and don't you feel stupid! Except this has happened to Abrams before with Khan/Cumberbatch. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on October 03, 2014, 02:14:49 PM That's not a spoiler. It's speculation. There's nothing to suggest that they aren't putting out false leaks to surprise fans even more when the film does come out. Only thing more dramatic than an I'm Your Father spoiler is when you go in with it to discover it's really I'm Your Mother, and don't you feel stupid! Except this has happened to Abrams before with Khan/Cumberbatch. I haven't looked up the spoiler yet, but is it as stupid as the Khan thing was? Because if so I'm fine with knowing about it ahead of time. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 03, 2014, 02:20:07 PM Obviously, don't click if you don't want the info.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on October 03, 2014, 02:24:02 PM If that's true, it's a bit stupid.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 03, 2014, 02:28:28 PM If the happiness in your life is directly impacted because someone gave you a piece of information on an entertainment product, you need to take a hard fucking look in the mirror.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on October 03, 2014, 02:31:55 PM Yeah, I don't at all regret knowing that "spoiler". :uhrr: It does make me even less excited about seeing the movies, though.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: murdoc on October 03, 2014, 02:46:23 PM Obviously, don't click if you don't want the info. If you want to see just how much it's speculation, here's the article that broke the "spoiler", but it's basically what Maven said. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on October 03, 2014, 02:56:18 PM The Specoiler is really light on facts. Even if you hear it, it is like describing a journey by saying where you end up. There are a thousand paths that could be taken to get there, and a thousand places to go from there... it is not worth hearing.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: palmer_eldritch on October 03, 2014, 05:26:10 PM On the topic of that spoiler
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Samwise on October 03, 2014, 06:03:39 PM It'd be both undoing what some of the earlier films did and REDOING what some of the other films did. Just blah all around. So, pretty much what we'd expect from a film with JJ at the helm. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 03, 2014, 06:07:17 PM If that rumour is true then we will just be having a rehash of the crap plot of the prequels with EVEN MORE EXPLOSIONS!!! Pass.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 03, 2014, 06:44:04 PM Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Logain on October 04, 2014, 03:07:42 AM Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 04, 2014, 03:29:51 AM But, you have to remember that the vast, vast majority of the EU was also completely stupid and was really nothing better than bad fan masturbation.
Oh yeah. JJ film. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Logain on October 04, 2014, 07:43:31 AM My 10 year old self thought heir to the empire was the shit. Also enjoyed the rogue squadron series, as well as the later stuff(dark lord trilogy i think?) that kind of filled in Vader's hunting of the jedi and his transition into...vaderhood. Thing about Star Wars is you can either enjoy it for what it is or just discard it because once you start holding it to much of any sort of literary standard it all starts to look a little dumb.
I'm really hoping these new movies will be good because I love Star Wars but I'm not real confident given abrams treatment of the star trek universe. We're gonna get a shiny, glossy hospital clean star wars universe filled with the lens flares of a thousand supernovas. Edit: But on second thought, I highly doubt he is capable of doing a worse job than lucas did with the prequels. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 04, 2014, 11:21:28 AM I think its fair to say that Abrams wont do a worse job than Lucas did. Abrams is better at crafting a coherent story and is a much better director. His films will be better, that much is fairly certain. However I think its not a product that my 42 year old self will be that interested in looking at. And I guess that's fair enough too.
*sobs over his copy of Empire* Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 04, 2014, 11:28:46 AM Well, let's see what happens. Star Trek's original core was more philosophical / moral exploration, and Abram's latest movies took it to a heavy flashy action-oriented shades of gray plot with little in the way of a deep story addressing some topic. To be fair, the series was moving away from this idealized Federation and into darker subject matter as early as DS9.
So, what's he going to do with Star Wars? I think it's more in line with the type of projects he's involved in, so it's not like he's making a risky jump into say RomComs, but you can never forget that this is meant to launch a new era of Star Wars to merchandise and sell ancillary products to a rabid fanbase. I wouldn't be surprised if it was to target the next generation of children while having something for the adults to reestablish a prevalent cultural position. Money money money! Wouldn't the prequels have laid the way for Clone Wars and other cartoons for the teen crowd that had seen the prequels as a child? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 04, 2014, 12:03:41 PM Attack of the Clones came out in 2002. Revenge of the Shit came out 2005. The Clone Wars tv series started in 2008.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on October 04, 2014, 07:42:01 PM FWIW - Star Wars Rebels was introduced this weekend on Disney. It is juvenile and poorly written (IMHO), but I encourage you folks to give it a viewing. They are very careful to draw heavily upon New Hope. Themes - images - and even fades between scenes. That gives me hope that they're trying hard to focus on the original trilogy for all new projects.
And for what it is worth, JJ has said that Star Trek was intended as a reimagining - while Staw Wars is intended to be a continuation. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on October 05, 2014, 07:37:17 AM Well, let's see what happens. Star Trek's original core was more philosophical / moral exploration, and Abram's latest movies took it to a heavy flashy action-oriented shades of gray plot with little in the way of a deep story addressing some topic. To be fair, the series was moving away from this idealized Federation and into darker subject matter as early as DS9. You mean "as soon as Gene Died." He bucked the kickit in 1991. While the last few seasons of TNG kept to the formula and optimism of the show, they did take a bit darker turn. DS9 kicked off 2 years after his death and so had l Quote Wouldn't the prequels have laid the way for Clone Wars and other cartoons for the teen crowd that had seen the prequels as a child? Yes, they did. While it's in fashion to hate on them because we're old men and they were objectively terrible it's what people under 20 know as Star Wars. Anecdotally, those are the Star Wars of my nephews, son and their friends. They know of Luke, Han and Leia but when you say Star Wars the conversations are about Grevious, ObiWan, Anakin and Asoka. My son will watch RoTS before ANH or ESB because those are "boring" to modern child sensibilities. Not enough flash, not enough pop and not enough going on. It's like when my mom tried to get me to watch The Thin Man when I was a kid. I couldn't appreciate it because it was so old and boring. And before anyone starts on the "kids have no taste" train, we weren't any better. Let's face it old men like us only watched Leave it to Beaver, Lassie, etc because it was the only option, not because we enjoyed them. GI Joe was as terrible as the Prequels, in a lot of ways worse, and we ate that shit up as prepubescents. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on October 05, 2014, 08:45:33 AM I dunno, I freaking loved the original star wars as a kid.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on October 05, 2014, 03:50:20 PM To be fair, the Thin Man movies are boring. Although it's fascinating to see all of those barely functioning alcoholics stumble through the cigarette haze of their lives.
I didn't particularly care for Abrams reimagining of Star Trek, and I'm not sure either movie was really that good, even taking them as "as inspired by" rather than something that should be viewed as actually Star Trek. I also loved the original Star Wars movies as a kid. We, as a family, saw A New Hope twice in the theaters, something that never happened before or after that. The new Star Wars movies, I didn't like as much, but they weren't for me, and I can live with that. What that means, unfortunately, is that I'll be an even further remove from the next set of movies, unless Abrams dumps the concept of the movies being for kids, and tries to make them appeal to the audience that grew up on the sequels. I'll probably see the first one, unless I hear it's not a good movie. Whether I see any of the others will depend on how I like the first. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on October 05, 2014, 08:38:11 PM And before anyone starts on the "kids have no taste" train, we weren't any better. Let's face it old men like us only watched Leave it to Beaver, Lassie, etc because it was the only option, not because we enjoyed them. GI Joe was as terrible as the Prequels, in a lot of ways worse, and we ate that shit up as prepubescents. I'll have you know I watched Dobie Gillis religiously as a kid - that was some good shit. Just because it's old doesn't mean kids automatically hate it. Same goes for the Wizard of Oz - that movie was ancient when I was a kid, and it was "must watch TV" when it came on in my household. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Shannow on October 06, 2014, 11:23:20 AM I still don't buy the BS that the prequels were for kids. That sounds like a 'oh it's still in beta' excuse to me. George Lucas just makes crap films now (holy mother of god try watching 'Red Tails' some time). It happens. If SW VII has a good story, humour and a good John Williams score it will fucking rock for kids and adults.
Star Wars Rebels wasn't half bad, and when the force theme played I did get goosebumps. I'm such a sucker. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 06, 2014, 11:31:38 AM Lucas didn't make the films for Kids as such, he made them to sell as much merch as he possibly could. That's where he thought he would make the money. He knew damn well that the real audience for the prequels was the old star wars fans so making them "for kids" would have been bloody stupid. They only became "for kids" after the fact then he was explaining how his films were commonly regarded as having sucked and made more money for him than the Merch did. All the merch flopped for the most part as no-one cared about whoever that alien was in the messy prequels. And he had to explain with all that how "the Clone wars" was actually a quite successful cartoon series. Nothing in the pre-hype said that they were made for kids but they became that after the fact because the successful and reasonably well regarded part was a cartoon.
I'd be willing to bet money that Lucas had been beaten away from the clone wars with a baseball bat at that point and had little to do with it. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on October 06, 2014, 11:46:41 AM Star Wars Rebels wasn't half bad, and when the force theme played I did get goosebumps. I'm such a sucker. Styling it like A New Hope with the wipes was a nice touch, but I didn't like it as much as The Clone Wars. It's obviously aimed at an even younger audience. Energy slingshot? Really? :awesome_for_real: It's still better than the prequels, though! Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on October 06, 2014, 12:20:26 PM I think a character like Jar Jar is meant as a direct appeal to children, and having one of the heroes (even if by accident) be a child was also a direct appeal to children.
If Lucas meant to tailor the sequel trilogy to adults who loved the original trilogy, I think he missed his mark, at least in my case. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on October 06, 2014, 12:21:20 PM ... I'd be willing to bet money that Lucas had been beaten away from the clone wars with a baseball bat at that point and had little to do with it. From the interviews I've read, you'd lose the money. He had a heavy hand in Clone Wars until the point that Disney took the controls and changed course.Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 06, 2014, 12:24:26 PM Which begs the question... was Anakin & Padme's romance still a better love story than Twilight?
When I think genre titles for adults, I think Star Trek: TNG or other more intellectual explorations. Whiz bang action, while enjoyable, has a certain immaturity to it. Reality is hand-waved over excitement and drama. Yes, true for any entertainment product, but to a larger degree in fantasy genres (A Wizard Did It). I'm sure there's a Kids to Adult genre scale for fantasy that starts at Adventure Time and goes to Game of Thrones. Star Wars would be closer to the former. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Bunk on October 06, 2014, 12:39:44 PM I think a character like Jar Jar is meant as a direct appeal to children, and having one of the heroes (even if by accident) be a child was also a direct appeal to children. If Lucas meant to tailor the sequel trilogy to adults who loved the original trilogy, I think he missed his mark, at least in my case. A New Hope appealed to kids without pandering to them. It was full of stuff that was cool to kids. Episode 1 was pure pandering (and crappy pandering at that). Episode 1 vs. Episode 4: - main hero is a six year old versus a guy in his late teens - key plot around saving an entire race of comic relief aliens from "evilish" comic relief aliens, who are oppressing them with comic relief robots vs. two comic relief support characters in C3PO/R2D2 (who did the same in both movies) - Lucas directing everyone to over enunciate like they are doing a radio drama (or talking in a way little kids can follow) vs. not doing that - a comic sidekick that was so revoltingly stupid that even kids hated him vs. a cool sidekick who happened to use bits of comedy to make himself cooler Look, nothing here is new to anyone. The prequels sucked and 99% of that was on Lucas, because he wanted to attract new kid viewers and knew the old viewers would show up no matter how shitty it was. I still saw everyone one of them in the theater, twice in the case of episode one. But I stopped and thought about how many times I've seen each, and it's something like this in order: 3, 2, 2, 20+, 7, 2 (by Jedi he decided he wanted to go after new kids, thus Ewoks) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 06, 2014, 02:58:17 PM How many times have you watched
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140228114152/starwars/images/thumb/6/60/Caravan_bg.jpg/650px-Caravan_bg.jpg) And its gripping sequel (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051107095944/starwars/images/thumb/a/ad/Ilm-ewok2.jpg/500px-Ilm-ewok2.jpg) And yes they were real movies by the real George Lucas. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Trippy on October 06, 2014, 03:00:23 PM Edit: thanks
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=23804.0 Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on October 06, 2014, 03:22:38 PM In *gulp* defense of Lucas, he has said that the intent was to present a series of movies that were a cohesive whole - and that he wanted to start them innocent and make them grow darker. It explains why he took the approach he did, even if it was a complete failure.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 06, 2014, 03:34:17 PM So he started off with "kid acts like annoying angry spoilt uncaring Jackass" and ended with "young man acts like annoying angry spoilt uncaring jackass". Frankly, Anikins journey to the Dark Side was about 2 feet, including detours. Lucas's idea of foreshadowing is "Start with character already at the dark side and film him flicking off all the lights and digging darker tunnel"
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on October 06, 2014, 03:37:58 PM I blame at least half of shitty Annakin on Hayden Christiansen.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on October 06, 2014, 03:43:56 PM Lucas was certainly the black hole that drew in everything wrong with the prequel... he was responsible for the casting, the story, the dialogue, the duche, ... Christiansen is his fault.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Malakili on October 06, 2014, 07:47:53 PM So he started off with "kid acts like annoying angry spoilt uncaring Jackass" and ended with "young man acts like annoying angry spoilt uncaring jackass". Frankly, Anikins journey to the Dark Side was about 2 feet, including detours. Lucas's idea of foreshadowing is "Start with character already at the dark side and film him flicking off all the lights and digging darker tunnel" Yeah, this one of the real problems too. It's sort of a character driven trilogy with essentially no character arc. And instead of an interesting, perhaps subtle insidious turn to the Dark Side where you can sort of empathize with him, instead you get a brat who turns into someone who murders kids. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ghost_of_Najena on October 07, 2014, 06:47:52 AM How many times have you watched (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140228114152/starwars/images/thumb/6/60/Caravan_bg.jpg/650px-Caravan_bg.jpg) And its gripping sequel (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051107095944/starwars/images/thumb/a/ad/Ilm-ewok2.jpg/500px-Ilm-ewok2.jpg) And yes they were real movies by the real George Lucas. Heh is it bad that I went back and watched both of those the last 2 nights... Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Lantyssa on October 07, 2014, 08:49:04 AM Only if you enjoyed them.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 07, 2014, 09:11:56 AM In all honesty I've never seen them. Are they as bad as the whole concept would scream at you?
Oh god I'm actually contemplating looking for them to watch them now help me help me! :ye_gods: Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Rishathra on October 07, 2014, 09:15:25 AM I enjoyed them immensely when they first came out. I was ten at the time so I think that warrants forgiveness.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Merusk on October 07, 2014, 09:43:52 AM Enjoyed the stories, hated the cutesy girl. Was also 10.
I also remember wondering why the hell the giant guy didn't bother the Empire when they were about. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Nevermore on October 07, 2014, 10:40:36 AM That second one looks like Gandalf vs Angelina Jolie and the Creature from the Black Lagoon. What's not to like? :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Ingmar on October 07, 2014, 10:42:25 AM That's clearly Dumbledore.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Maven on October 07, 2014, 11:04:59 AM I don't remember much of the movies other than I saw them, pretty sure I only saw the second one, and that's the only time I've seen that haircut on a child.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Pezzle on October 08, 2014, 03:01:17 PM If I had any photoshop talent those would both be Shadow of Endor posters. Ewok extinction level event!
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Triforcer on October 08, 2014, 09:13:31 PM I think a character like Jar Jar is meant as a direct appeal to children, and having one of the heroes (even if by accident) be a child was also a direct appeal to children. If Lucas meant to tailor the sequel trilogy to adults who loved the original trilogy, I think he missed his mark, at least in my case. A New Hope appealed to kids without pandering to them. It was full of stuff that was cool to kids. Episode 1 was pure pandering (and crappy pandering at that). Episode 1 vs. Episode 4: - main hero is a six year old versus a guy in his late teens - key plot around saving an entire race of comic relief aliens from "evilish" comic relief aliens, who are oppressing them with comic relief robots vs. two comic relief support characters in C3PO/R2D2 (who did the same in both movies) - Lucas directing everyone to over enunciate like they are doing a radio drama (or talking in a way little kids can follow) vs. not doing that - a comic sidekick that was so revoltingly stupid that even kids hated him vs. a cool sidekick who happened to use bits of comedy to make himself cooler Look, nothing here is new to anyone. The prequels sucked and 99% of that was on Lucas, because he wanted to attract new kid viewers and knew the old viewers would show up no matter how shitty it was. I still saw everyone one of them in the theater, twice in the case of episode one. But I stopped and thought about how many times I've seen each, and it's something like this in order: 3, 2, 2, 20+, 7, 2 (by Jedi he decided he wanted to go after new kids, thus Ewoks) I'm 5, 1, 1, 15+, 5, 2. I don't know why I keep watching Phantom Menace- it seems like it is always on television, and it actually is better than II and III. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: jgsugden on October 09, 2014, 08:07:26 AM But how many times have you seen the Christmas Special?
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 09, 2014, 10:43:28 AM YOU MONSTER!!! *cries*
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Soulflame on October 09, 2014, 12:28:48 PM I've never seen the Christmas Special.
Episode 1 isn't unwatchable. I like the first 15 minutes, the last 15 minutes, and the rest is buffer I can more or less ignore while awaiting the climatic duel between the Jedi and Darth Maul. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Rendakor on October 09, 2014, 06:01:59 PM 1 is definitely the least shit of the prequels; it lacks Hayden Christiansen which makes it more tolerable. I'm something like 4, 2, 2, 10+, 10+, 10+ for views; don't have an exact count but The Trilogy is always watched to completion.
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on October 11, 2014, 07:05:47 AM Ep 1 had Liam Nealson, who actually tries his damndest to make his character a little bit interesting, priest-like and have a depth greater than 0.02mm. He was the best thing about the hole thing, which means he probably had Lucas screaming in his ear after every take about what a shit joke of a job he was doing and to ACT LIKE YOU HAVE A PLANK UP YOUR ASS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DAMMIT!!!
The fight at the end had be giggling a bit in the Theater. I was actually expecting them to start dancing the can can it was so obviously choreographed. And seriously, when Darth Silent walked through the door in front of a bunch of guys with guns I REALLY wanted them to fucking open fire on his ass rather than leave him to the Jedi and find another way around. I mean, I'm sorry, Lightsaber vs 15 guys in close range with blasters = you open fire. It would at least have been cool to see him leaping 10 feet out of the way or something. Oops, sorry, that's too much like Empire Strikes Back and therefore is shit, signed Lucas. I've never seen the Christmas Special. Well if you want to sample the Je ne sai que of the Christmas special without actually watching the thing, you can read this minute by minute review of it. It should help you appreciate how much you missed. http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2012/12/bad-movie-review-the-star-wars-holiday-special.html Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Rishathra on October 13, 2014, 05:39:08 AM The fight at the end had be giggling a bit in the Theater. I was actually expecting them to start dancing the can can it was so obviously choreographed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0qH2IaSjEU&index=5&list=PLINl9l0igYjzIipxsD4Y59_Jjxe4N3pZo The full videos are, like the Plinkett reviews, better than the actual movies. Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Pezzle on November 06, 2014, 11:45:56 AM Movie title revealed. The Force Awakens
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/11/06/star-wars-episode-vii-breaking/ Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Sir T on November 06, 2014, 12:25:17 PM So the force was asleep the last 3 movies??
(Sorry, your math is off. THERE WERE ONLY 3 MOVIES!!) Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: HaemishM on November 06, 2014, 12:29:49 PM So the force was asleep the last 3 movies?? Well, the director was certainly asleep the last 3 released prequel movies, so why not? Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Evildrider on November 06, 2014, 12:37:11 PM Maybe Luke has been plagued in the pants and finally found some viagra.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on November 10, 2014, 04:02:01 AM Updated the topic title with the barebone, leaked plot summary.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 10, 2014, 09:54:21 AM Looks pretty accurate to me. Next is "Force picks pocket to get your wallet"
Title: Re: Star Wars - Episode VII (boring topic title to change) Post by: Riggswolfe on November 11, 2014, 12:50:33 PM Look, nothing here is new to anyone. The prequels sucked and 99% of that was on Lucas, because he wanted to attract new kid viewers and knew the old viewers would show up no matter how shitty it was. I still saw everyone one of them in the theater, twice in the case of episode one. But I stopped and thought about how many times I've seen each, and it's something like this in order: 3, 2, 2, 20+, 7, 2 (by Jedi he decided he wanted to go after new kids, thus Ewoks) In fairness, it's coming out that Lucas tried to get help before he started the prequels but was unable to do so. He approached Lawrence Kasdan, for example, and the guy told him no. He approached several other writers and directors and got told no by them. I suspect it is because he's a control freak and they didn't want to deal with it but he did seem to have an idea that he needed help at least. And the sad thing is, if you watch the Clone Wars, Anakin's fall to the darkside is tragic but you get none of that from the movies. In the movies he is just a whiny brat. In the Clone Wars he is a heroic figure who is doing his damnedest to survive an awful war while seeing the Jedi Order he is serving gradually compromise itself and fail to react in a humane way to several nasty events. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 12, 2014, 09:50:41 AM Its probably the result of a long career of hiring writers and then screaming like hell at them about everything.
It's probably "coming out" now becasue Lucas is no longer surounded by "yes men" who tell him he is a genius no matter what, so he is starting to realise everyone actually thinks he is a talentless hack who got the credit for everyone elses ideas, and he is trying to rehabilitate himself. You should see some of the behind the scenes movies they did for Ep 1. etc. The staff at Lucasarts were fucking terrified of him. He was literally at the center of a cult. He walked in saying he had just completed the script for the next movie and everyone in the room erupted into rounds of applause. He was examining the work of character sculpters and you literally saw the same look as North Koreans give Kim-Jung-il. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on November 24, 2014, 01:22:38 PM Trailer Announcement Trailer just came out.
I'm not going to link it because, well, if it's that important to you, you'll go look for it. Trailer *for* a Trailer. Wasn't this parodied somewhere? Is this where we are at now in nerd culture? Get Hype! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 27, 2014, 07:31:44 PM Teaser is up, but quality sucks as it's cam'd. (http://mirror.ninja/09cu)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: rattran on November 27, 2014, 08:21:16 PM RickRolling hasn't been clever in quite a while.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on November 28, 2014, 08:22:49 AM It's up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE I am not ashamed to admit, I got goosebumps at the end. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 28, 2014, 08:51:10 AM The stormtrooper armor as a disguise is the oldest trick in the book. :why_so_serious:
And why is there a girl riding a refrigerator around Tatooine? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 28, 2014, 09:02:48 AM Because its cool! :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 28, 2014, 09:03:49 AM Lightsaber with little saber guards? K.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 28, 2014, 09:16:54 AM The only way I see this movie is if Mos Eisley is featured prominently at some point. Else forget it...
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 28, 2014, 09:28:26 AM The only way I see this movie is if Mos Eisley is featured prominently at some point. Else forget it... wut? :uhrr: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 28, 2014, 09:38:02 AM The only way I see this movie is if Mos Eisley is featured prominently at some point. Else forget it... wut? :uhrr: After the Star Trek bullshit... I don't trust JJ at all. If he can fuck up the Star Trek universe, I can only imagine what he'll do to Star Wars. I'll just wait for the next 6 trailers to come out between now and next December. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 28, 2014, 09:39:40 AM The only way I see this movie is if Mos Eisley is featured prominently at some point. Else forget it... wut? :uhrr: After the Star Trek bullshit... I don't trust JJ at all. If he can fuck up the Star Trek universe, I can only imagine what he'll do to Star Wars. I'll just wait for the next 6 trailers to come out between now and next December. He's not the right director for star trek for the exact reason he likely is for star wars. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 28, 2014, 09:56:50 AM That statement demands elaboration.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on November 28, 2014, 09:59:25 AM (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44058/B3ijyCuCYAA_zzZ.gif)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 28, 2014, 10:03:49 AM (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44058/B3ijyCuCYAA_zzZ.gif) Surprised FIFA is allowing this. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 28, 2014, 10:16:49 AM That statement demands elaboration. He's a director who models himself after Spielberg. He's good at action, big scenes and fantastical elements but is not often cerebral and doesn't have a lot of quiet moments. Basically he wanted to do star wars from the beginning and trek was more or less his job application for that. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on November 28, 2014, 10:25:18 AM Those 88 seconds are pretty much JJ Abram's career highlight to date.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on November 28, 2014, 10:28:26 AM Surprised FIFA is allowing this. :why_so_serious: Give them enough money and they'll allow anything. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on November 28, 2014, 10:42:36 AM Lightsaber with little saber guards? K. If you lost a hand to a lightsaber, you'd put little guards on your next saber too. :awesome_for_real: Nice teaser trailer, got chills from it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: schild on November 28, 2014, 10:49:09 AM I always thought Star Wars was pretty daft and written for shit, so JJ Abrams will probably make the best one. Effortlessly.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on November 28, 2014, 10:54:16 AM Full-on robot chubby.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 28, 2014, 10:59:17 AM Millennium Falcon never looked better. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on November 28, 2014, 11:10:08 AM Trailer is neat.
I'm just glad JJ is only making the one film. His first Trek was fine. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: schild on November 28, 2014, 11:16:35 AM You wouldn't ever have to worry about more than one thing from him. Dude absolutely NEVER finishes what he starts.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: penfold on November 28, 2014, 11:16:45 AM Lightsaber with little saber guards? K. If you lost a hand to a lightsaber, you'd put little guards on your next saber too. :awesome_for_real: Nice teaser trailer, got chills from it. Except that the light bits are actually an inch out from the bit where you'd need a guard. Anyway, looking forward to it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 28, 2014, 11:23:59 AM Lightsaber with little saber guards? K. Well I mean when Darth Maul had a double light saber it was twice as good, so... I threw up in my mouth a little. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 28, 2014, 11:24:41 AM Still waiting for the Lightwhip. :grin:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 28, 2014, 11:33:50 AM Lightbows and lightarrows are canon ya know.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on November 28, 2014, 12:08:58 PM Light-weapons are allowed to be somewhat ridiculous because you need the preternatural reflexes and spatial awareness of the Force to utilise them in combat as they're essentially weightless, hilt excepted.
So yeah, I'm perfectly fine with a light sabre crossguard. Looks cool, its functionality is dependant on the user. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 28, 2014, 12:15:02 PM The X-Wing bit was cool. R2FIFA2 not so much. Lightsaber guards are rule of cool.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on November 28, 2014, 12:32:01 PM Soccer-droid makes sense. Gyros could keep it balanced on top of a ball and it would have an easier time moving over sand or rough terrain compared to a traditional droid.
I have mixed feelings on the saber. I'm beginning to think part of Sith culture is to make crazy sabers as a point of differentiation. I know I'd do a light-naginata or spear were I given the option. Also betting their fighting style makes it similar to using a longsword. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 28, 2014, 12:57:31 PM Fan theory I thought of myself is that the new sith made a haphazard sabre as evidence but the uneven look. I'm willing to bet the sabre itself is unstable and the hilt is less for utility in combat and more exhaust ports
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 28, 2014, 01:19:56 PM Fan theory I thought of myself is that the new sith made a haphazard sabre as evidence but the uneven look. I'm willing to bet the sabre itself is unstable and the hilt is less for utility in combat and more exhaust ports You'd think they'd have learned by now... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on November 28, 2014, 02:10:53 PM This way New-Luke can blow up the lightsaber with a BB gun.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Bunk on November 28, 2014, 02:25:29 PM And... he's a meme as well. And an unfunny one at that. (and they are wrong, he's the fourth black guy. They forgot the guy in Cloud City with the Icecream Maker)
(http://i.imgur.com/HWMDzRc.png) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on November 28, 2014, 02:47:59 PM I was kinda meh on the trailer and then the last 5 seconds happened ..nerd boner engage!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Fordel on November 28, 2014, 03:54:09 PM I like the revised Trooper armor.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on November 28, 2014, 03:57:08 PM (http://i.imgur.com/W5J6jAa.png)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 28, 2014, 04:00:33 PM I look forward to watching this and then telling everyone how much I didn't like it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Comstar on November 28, 2014, 04:01:21 PM Ha ha, most amusing. A fake trailer that has some good shots of Xwings and a Falcon. Now, where is the real link?
When I saw the first few shots I thought it HAD to be a fake. It's a bad trailer, and I do not have good faith in the Force for this one. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on November 28, 2014, 04:16:22 PM The movie is a year off from release. I'm guessing we'll see a full trailer in front of Avengers: Age of Ultron.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 28, 2014, 04:31:16 PM I look forward to watching this and then telling everyone how much I didn't like it. I look forward to not watching this to provoke nerdrage in my friends who think it's required viewing because it still bears the franchise logo. As it is I regret seeing the prequels and saw each one because at the time I had hopes for it to be better than it was. We're already at fool-me-three-times here. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on November 28, 2014, 04:32:30 PM "Aren't you a little black for a stormtrooper?"
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Kail on November 28, 2014, 04:43:12 PM Soccer-droid makes sense. Gyros could keep it balanced on top of a ball and it would have an easier time moving over sand or rough terrain compared to a traditional droid. We have those in real life already (link cribbed from the robots thread) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SNLwzsyCR0 Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 28, 2014, 07:40:45 PM (http://i.imgur.com/eqWQrYU.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ginaz on November 28, 2014, 08:12:26 PM I always thought Star Wars was pretty daft and written for shit, so JJ Abrams will probably make the best one. Effortlessly. A cat hitting random keys on a keyboard could write better dialogue than Lucas, so the bar isn't exactly high. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on November 28, 2014, 08:23:29 PM Action shot of the X-Wings was cool, but the Falcon camera work was very un-Star Wars. It looked like something out of a cheap Saturday Morning cartoon trying to create some wild sense of tension.
Oh, it's for kids? OK. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: schild on November 28, 2014, 08:44:12 PM Star Wars was ALWAYS for kids. We're not having this conversation again.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 28, 2014, 09:13:44 PM Ha ha, most amusing. A fake trailer that has some good shots of Xwings and a Falcon. Now, where is the real link? When I saw the first few shots I thought it HAD to be a fake. It's a bad trailer, and I do not have good faith in the Force for this one. I actually legitimately thought that too for the first 20 seconds or so. I can't figure out why they used that first shot at all, it's just awful. That's the best take they got of that guy making a face? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 28, 2014, 09:19:03 PM I don't see it, I genuinely do not see how people thought that teaser was bad. Maybe I don't care enough about star wars to nit pick but all those comments sound like sharp knees to me. To me it looked fun and far, far too brief to gauge how well the movie will do. I also hate to be that guy but the movie has over a year of post production to go through before it's finished so any minor gripes might easily be forgotten in the finished product.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 28, 2014, 09:41:10 PM I don't see it, I genuinely do not see how people thought that teaser was bad. Maybe I don't care enough about star wars to nit pick but all those comments sound like sharp knees to me. To me it looked fun and far, far too brief to gauge how well the movie will do. I also hate to be that guy but the movie has over a year of post production to go through before it's finished so any minor gripes might easily be forgotten in the finished product. It's not cool to like stuff! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 28, 2014, 09:45:34 PM There really isn't much in the trailer to get up about honestly. It's mostly just Star Wars-y images keyed to provoke Pavlovian drool responses in Star Wars nerds - like the Falcon, X-Wings and some weirdly cool (yet totally unnecessary) variation on a lightsaber. Unfortunately for J.J. Abrams, those responses have been negatively reinforced by the shitshow that was the prequels, so you have 1/3 of the nerds who get rabidly anti about any of those things and nitpick them to death.
There's really not enough shown to think bad or good on the movie with any definitive evidence. It's more a litmus test on your level of hatred for George Lucas. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on November 28, 2014, 09:58:47 PM I thought it was awesome. I loved what JJ did to Trek (wasn't hard, Trek can't make a decent movie to save their life). Should be fun movie to watch. Everyone here loves to hate it. Good on you guys have fun with that.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Special J on November 28, 2014, 10:15:14 PM Don't care much for the lightsaber but otherwise I'm fine with that teaser. Even R2FIFA. I think I can watch the X-Wing bit several more times.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on November 28, 2014, 10:30:27 PM I think I can watch the X-Wing bit several more times. (http://i.imgur.com/RqjPkx2.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on November 28, 2014, 11:09:57 PM (http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XhY90J_Z1is/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on November 28, 2014, 11:22:04 PM Maybe he is a Highlander Jedi and likes claymores so it is an aesthetic thing.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Comstar on November 28, 2014, 11:36:24 PM I think I can watch the X-Wing bit several more times. (http://i.imgur.com/RqjPkx2.gif) If the follow the Dambusters plot even closer than the original movie, I won't mind. Flying 4 engined ships underneath high tension power lines and all. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on November 28, 2014, 11:41:33 PM That saber had a different activation sound and looked less refined than the smooth blades we normally see. I'm betting it was a homemade blade using materials at hand.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on November 29, 2014, 12:04:42 AM The design notes surrounding [REDACTED]'s lightsaber, the one we see featured in the trailer, heavily paraphrased, are specifically to make it an 'intimidating, if less practical' weapon.
The cross hilt lightsaber is pretty perfect for someone trying to go all special-snowflake and who just has to do something different to stand out. It's essentially perfect for that character. It's supposed to make "angrier" noises and be an overlong, brutal looking blade, intentionally visually designed to look thick and crude and slightly unstable, as though it's not very well focused and the wielder is juicing it with extra power to compensate. It speaks both to the general theme of the Sith's often adolescent and egoist displays of power and uniqueness, as well as intending iconic elements of the personality, temperament, and mindset of the wielder in an easy visual package. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on November 29, 2014, 12:09:44 AM A cat hitting random keys on a keyboard could write better dialogue than Lucas, so the bar isn't exactly high. INTERIOR MILLENIUM FALCON MAIN ROOM. Present are LEIA and LUKE. HAN SOLO enters from the BRIDGE. Han: ygutuuu';kliuohyY&U*IOP';.kljhuy Leia: kjlghyut7uiop[;/ kity8709uy7tgfudsfbgvhjnm,. Han: yu7777777/.,mnjjjjjj Luke: gcfy8u9y6t75ryki';.lkhjgjukjkl;p;l,oikj Han and Leia:<:LKKKPP:L Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on November 29, 2014, 12:30:54 AM It was enough to get me breathing heavy, but not quite to a nerdgasm yet. Promising though.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 29, 2014, 05:16:30 AM That saber had a different activation sound and looked less refined than the smooth blades we normally see. I'm betting it was a homemade blade using materials at hand. Unstable crystal and a DIY hilt. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on November 29, 2014, 05:20:44 AM the Falcon camera work was very un-Star Wars. It looked like something out of a cheap Saturday Morning cartoon trying to create some wild sense of tension. The Falcon sequence was the fucking money shot of that teaser. I love that they went for a slightly shaky, pulled focus shot rather than a super-smooth, centre framed pan like we've always got in Star Wars. It felt more real, more dangerous a maneuver. But sure, go right ahead and tell me which cheap saturday morning cartoons do that. I'll watch the shit out of them. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Special J on November 29, 2014, 07:42:29 AM I think I can watch the X-Wing bit several more times. Thank you :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on November 29, 2014, 10:09:46 AM I wonder if there has always been a tendency for nerds to dislike things verbosely or if the Internet has ruined everyone's ability to enjoy anything ever.
Because I thought that trailer was amazing, even if the droid was a bit silly. "I can't believe they had Frank Oz make a trans-gendered wrinkly old Mr. Piggy muppet, that's not what Star Wars (as we true fans call the first movie) is about!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 29, 2014, 10:20:08 AM I wonder if there has always been a tendency for nerds to dislike things verbosely or if the Internet has ruined everyone's ability to enjoy anything ever. No, George Lucas did that. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Fordel on November 29, 2014, 12:26:27 PM I wonder if there has always been a tendency for nerds to dislike things verbosely or if the Internet has ruined everyone's ability to enjoy anything ever. Because I thought that trailer was amazing, even if the droid was a bit silly. "I can't believe they had Frank Oz make a trans-gendered wrinkly old Mr. Piggy muppet, that's not what Star Wars (as we true fans call the first movie) is about!" It's always been like this, the internet just records it all now for public consumption. Like, Simpsons Comic Book Guy came from SOMEWHERE and it wasn't the internet. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on November 29, 2014, 12:31:42 PM I like what I like and ain't nobody going to tell me I can't. "STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE" is the poison that people inexplicably keep drinking.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on November 29, 2014, 12:35:22 PM I look forward to watching this and then telling everyone how much I didn't like it. I look forward to not watching this to provoke nerdrage in my friends who think it's required viewing because it still bears the franchise logo. As it is I regret seeing the prequels and saw each one because at the time I had hopes for it to be better than it was. We're already at fool-me-three-times here. Yup. If it's good, I'll watch it. Trek was ok, I enjoyed it. Trek 2 was fucking awful. So I really need to hear the reviews first. As for this ? 88 seconds ? I'm not a fucking teenager. Prove shit or just fuck off, eh ? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on November 29, 2014, 12:56:47 PM I like what I like and ain't nobody going to tell me I can't. "STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE" is the poison that people inexplicably keep drinking. Actually, it the other way round now already. I feel like you can't dislike anything anymore, for fear of being branded as / lumped together with dirty hipsters who just shit on everything for being contrarian . :sad: Didn't like the trailer, it didn't have a Star Wars vibe. (Not that I could verbalize what that is.) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on November 29, 2014, 02:02:33 PM Beyond officially recusing myself due to clear and existing bias, I think the trailer shows that the movie is going to probably be pretty good, and I like the idea that one of the main characters (boyega) is likely to be an ex-stormtrooper.
And, again, there's pretty much nothing to lose. There is nowhere for the franchise to go but up. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 29, 2014, 02:15:52 PM And, again, there's pretty much nothing to lose. There is nowhere for the franchise to go but up. That's exactly what I said before the last two Star Wars movies. (http://38.media.tumblr.com/207b5e91d2397e2819b364252b10a9fe/tumblr_mzvrikNrLR1rgarj7o1_500.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on November 29, 2014, 04:39:19 PM Trailer was great, I see no reason to bitch. Well, other than the fact it wasn't really a trailer so much as a teaser. Its really hard to judge anything by it. Everything looks like its going in the right direction, and quality of effects thankfully looks way the hell better than the prequels.
I rolled my eyes at the light Bastard Sword, but oh well, I'm just going to accept that's the way things are going to be from now on. It will inevitably lead to a scene in the third movie with an Asian Jedi wielding a light Katana though. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on November 29, 2014, 04:52:01 PM I, umm....sorta liked it: the sight of the Millennium Falcon and the X-wing formation was a VERY welcomed sight. I still hope Abrams will take a more "simplistic" approach to photography, with a mix of a "retro" '70 look (also to keep some sort of fidelity with the original trilogy, beside the 30 year gap in the storyline) and something a bit more (inevitably) "modern" looking.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on November 29, 2014, 10:44:53 PM Everything is better is Lego form (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfWrh1scZU#t=74)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 29, 2014, 10:52:56 PM The internet has reacted
(http://i.imgur.com/2l4IvPw.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/qFA8sBa.jpg) And I'd watch the Lego version tbh... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: schild on November 29, 2014, 11:16:20 PM (http://i.imgur.com/iVrWRxo.gif)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 30, 2014, 01:05:43 AM I really hope JJ gives Boyega decent screentime. He's a pretty good talent (recall him from Attack the Block). Not holding my breath on that one though. From readings I guess he goes AWOL at some point? Others speculate he goes Jedi after meeting Ridley's character... and then they both run off to find Skywalker; after making out 'n stuff.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on November 30, 2014, 01:23:50 AM I don't mind the crossguard terribly, although I could see the complication with having one like that - it looks like it would be more dangerous to the user than anything else. But as some people have mentioned on the internet, notice that the emitters are actually sticking out from the hilt. A blade sliding down would hit the emitter, not the crossguard blade itself. I can only conclude that it may have another purpose entirely, or only that it is meant to be visually intimidating.
Although, a large part of me thinks it is a brilliant and elaborate troll. Just look how frothy then internet has become over it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on November 30, 2014, 03:16:03 AM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: apocrypha on November 30, 2014, 05:16:22 AM Hang on a minute, this is J. J. Abrams, yes? The film is going to be an absolute smorgasbord of plot holes, nonsensical things and actions and complete disregard for logic, sense or physics.
Some extra sticky-out bits on a lightsaber are nothing, nothing, compared to what's to come. Just handwave them away and move on internet. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on November 30, 2014, 06:24:15 AM The light crossguard is so easily explainable and so Sith that I really can't work out how people are disgruntled, let alone throwing shitfits about it.
That said, I am enjoying the sabre memes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 30, 2014, 07:45:47 AM Also enjoying the saber memes but I have to say I don't think the crossguard bits are emitters at all. I believe they are venting off the excess energy produced by the saber so you will likely not see the bad guy using them to block, otherwise the whole thing might explode.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 30, 2014, 08:06:52 AM They make their own little lightsaber engage sound. I'm sure exhaust ports make sense or something, but are we really giving them that much credit?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Quinton on November 30, 2014, 09:14:35 AM The rolling-ball-droid-thing had me seriously wondering if the whole thing was a joke and not an actual trailer. I'm still wondering, really.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on November 30, 2014, 09:16:04 AM Personally I was disappointed in the lack of lens flare.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on November 30, 2014, 10:30:48 AM This was barely a teaser so it seemed fine for what it is. I'm not super excited by the somewhat goofy laser crossguard on the laser sword, but I'm not terribly bothered by it either. I'm just really hoping that Ridley turns out to be the Jedi. That would be a really refreshing change.
So Phil Noto was so excited by the teaser he made some fan art. Came out pretty nice. Also, I came across the George Lucas Special Edition teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng) :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on November 30, 2014, 10:52:23 AM This was barely a teaser so it seemed fine for what it is. I'm not super excited by the somewhat goofy laser crossguard on the laser sword, but I'm not terribly bothered by it either. I'm just really hoping that Ridley turns out to be the Jedi. That would be a really refreshing change. So Phil Noto was so excited by the teaser he made some fan art. Came out pretty nice. Also, I came across the George Lucas Special Edition teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng) :grin: Brilliant ANND TRAAADE NEGOTIAAAAATIONS Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on November 30, 2014, 12:11:39 PM Dunno why this won't embed.
http://i.imgur.com/MVhkmQa.gifv Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: apocrypha on November 30, 2014, 12:22:50 PM Dunno why this won't embed. http://i.imgur.com/MVhkmQa.gifv Because it's a GIFV (http://imgur.com/blog/2014/10/09/introducing-gifv/) rather than just a GIF. That page says they work on Facebook, I'll have to test that :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 30, 2014, 12:24:29 PM I'm enjoying the Internet's reactions to the teaser so much more than the actual teaser. I love the Internet. The Lucas Special Edition was all sorts of :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Threash on November 30, 2014, 12:32:53 PM The rolling-ball-droid-thing had me seriously wondering if the whole thing was a joke and not an actual trailer. I'm still wondering, really. You know those actually exist. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 30, 2014, 12:55:09 PM So Phil Noto was so excited by the teaser he made some fan art. Came out pretty nice. Why is the Lighttherecanbeonlyone going through the black guys head? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 30, 2014, 01:39:38 PM Fuck the haters, and your need to hate. I giggled a little when the Falcon came onscreen.
No idea if it's trailer magic or not, but Abrams is much more suited to this than Trek so I'll be fine with it. The originals were also full of bullshit contrivances and plot holes. Get over yourselves, old men. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on November 30, 2014, 02:05:32 PM If only there was a kickstarter for this, a lot of you are ready to get fleeced.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 30, 2014, 02:16:32 PM Fuck the haters, and your need to hate. Pretty much everything is terrible. It just makes good sense to assume everything is going to suck until proven otherwise. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 30, 2014, 02:25:20 PM If only there was a kickstarter for this, a lot of you are ready to get fleeced. Out of what, $12? I can, with certainty say this movie will be worth $12. Shit, movies don't even have to be great for that amount of money, just entertaining. Now as for anyone buying merch pre movie? that's a special kind of idiot that well weep with all their kick ass2 dolls silently. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 30, 2014, 03:39:57 PM Fuck the haters, and your need to hate. I giggled a little when the Falcon came onscreen. I was good for the whole trailer but the seeing the Falcon sequence made me squee. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 30, 2014, 04:53:14 PM That was too little to tell anything... it could be a masterpiece, or total garbage. Too early to tell... though, obviously, it is more likely to disappoint than to hit one out of the park.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on November 30, 2014, 04:59:54 PM The lens flare was there, so you know what you're getting.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: KallDrexx on November 30, 2014, 05:42:17 PM Dunno why this won't embed. http://i.imgur.com/MVhkmQa.gifv I thought that looked much better than the spinning version in the teaser Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on November 30, 2014, 08:38:44 PM Yeah, I liked that version a lot better.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 30, 2014, 08:47:38 PM TO be honest I thought the Camera shake and spinning around that Abrams likes was a lot more nauseating than the lens flares in star trek
Anyway I think the focus on the Sword is latent guilt. Darth blackguy had that double bladed sword that was frankly daft and stupid looking, yet the nerds went squee as it was Star wars. Now they want to erase that memory by hating on THIS stupid looking sword. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on November 30, 2014, 08:52:53 PM I disagree with the double saber being stupid. Staff fighting goes back a long, long way and all Maul was using was a staff mostly made up of lasers at either end. Of all the stupid things in the prequels, Maul and his laser staff fighting was the least stupid.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on November 30, 2014, 08:59:35 PM The internet is so hung up on this saber thing. Maybe the Sith created his own saber and thought 'Flames out the sides would be bitchin' cool."
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on December 01, 2014, 08:07:44 AM All lightsabers are DIY. There's not some factory out there mass-producing the things. /nerd
I forget where I heard it mentioned, but there is a conspicuous lack of "stars" in this "Star Wars". Everything in the teaser takes place on some planet or other. Wonder if that's a stylistic choice for the trailer, or if there won't be much space action in the film. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on December 01, 2014, 08:36:27 AM Well, the spirit of unfun grumpiness is clearly already awake, I see.
I have no idea whether this will suck or not. I am amused by the way it reliably elicits a feeling of hating just about everything in all the world from some folks, where I have a hard time figuring out what on earth they have ever enjoyed or thought worthy of their approval. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on December 01, 2014, 08:36:54 AM Ah, Plinkett. (http://redlettermedia.com/mr-plinkett-reacts-to-the-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer/)
Ah, George. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 01, 2014, 08:42:16 AM Ah, George. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng) Can't stop laughing. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 01, 2014, 09:02:46 AM I have a hard time figuring out what on earth they have ever enjoyed or thought worthy of their approval. Star Wars 7: if you don't like it, you don't like anything, because it is the BEST THING EVER PRODUCED BY A HUMAN. Fucking Be There. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 01, 2014, 09:04:40 AM You know, as much as we evoke that one it never ceases to remind me how utterly, utterly opposite of 'Fucking Be There' I Am Legend turned out to be.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 01, 2014, 09:55:50 AM All lightsabers are DIY. There's not some factory out there mass-producing the things. /nerd I forget where I heard it mentioned, but there is a conspicuous lack of "stars" in this "Star Wars". Everything in the teaser takes place on some planet or other. Wonder if that's a stylistic choice for the trailer, or if there won't be much space action in the film. Stars are few and far between in all the films. Excluding simple transitions between planets there is generally only 1 space based sequence per film. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 01, 2014, 10:11:16 AM That's rubbish; Both NH and ESB had a lot more than 1. By Jedi, it was getting toned down, but you could still make an argument for 'Lots of Stars'.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on December 01, 2014, 10:17:34 AM All lightsabers are DIY. There's not some factory out there mass-producing the things. /nerd I forget where I heard it mentioned, but there is a conspicuous lack of "stars" in this "Star Wars". Everything in the teaser takes place on some planet or other. Wonder if that's a stylistic choice for the trailer, or if there won't be much space action in the film. Stars are few and far between in all the films. Excluding simple transitions between planets there is generally only 1 space based sequence per film. I think it's particularly noticeable here because there are X-Wings, and the Falcon fighting TIE fighters, but they are both in atmosphere. One would expect to see those things in space most of the time. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on December 01, 2014, 11:08:26 AM Eh, look, the prequels sucked, and of course nothing can stand up to attention and adoration at the levels Star Wars the originals have received. Nobody will ever be 13 again watching an Imperial Star Destroyer go on and on and on as it chases a Rebel freighter. The love some people feel isn't about the craft of the first film, it's just that it was a kind of "jump to lightspeed" for anyone who was of the right age at the right moment who had read SF and comics.
But the general mood here isn't just about Star Wars lately--it's everything. I really am having a hard time figuring out what it is that some people like, if anything. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on December 01, 2014, 11:40:08 AM Take those scenes of the x-wings and Falcon and put them in space. Are they anywhere near as cool? It's being able to interact with their surroundings that spruces them up.
(And that makes the stabilized version of the Falcon far better than the teaser shot. You're able to actual see it.) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 01, 2014, 11:49:54 AM Eh, look, the prequels sucked Why do you hate everything? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on December 01, 2014, 11:50:39 AM Ah, George. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng) Where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, yesterday on the previous page. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rendakor on December 01, 2014, 12:06:33 PM But the general mood here isn't just about Star Wars lately--it's everything. I really am having a hard time figuring out what it is that some people like, if anything. There isn't much to talk about when you like something. "Did you see/play this? It was good." is about as far as that discussion goes.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: shiznitz on December 01, 2014, 12:40:32 PM That is why Facebook has a button for likes but allows unlimited space for comments. Or something.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on December 01, 2014, 12:52:54 PM So you're saying we should implement a Like system on f13?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soulflame on December 01, 2014, 01:05:43 PM Why implement something that would never get used.
:awesome_for_real: And the prequels did suck. I didn't realize this was a subject for debate. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on December 01, 2014, 01:11:50 PM "The pod race was pretty cool." -Some guy
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on December 01, 2014, 01:23:28 PM I really am having a hard time figuring out what it is that some people like, if anything. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens. Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens. Brown paper packages tied up with strings. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 01, 2014, 01:23:37 PM We could just use upvote gifs.
Semi-NSFW Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 01, 2014, 01:37:11 PM I like boobies.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 01, 2014, 02:09:41 PM Eh, look, the prequels sucked, and of course nothing can stand up to attention and adoration at the levels Star Wars the originals have received. Nobody will ever be 13 again watching an Imperial Star Destroyer go on and on and on as it chases a Rebel freighter. The love some people feel isn't about the craft of the first film, it's just that it was a kind of "jump to lightspeed" for anyone who was of the right age at the right moment who had read SF and comics. But the general mood here isn't just about Star Wars lately--it's everything. I really am having a hard time figuring out what it is that some people like, if anything. You're probably conflating a lot of different users, while perhaps not seeing as many of the minor threads where they express likes. Also the site promotes criticism; unless people are currently mid game enjoying something (see shadow of mordor) they tend to be critical. Doesn't mean there's no pleasure going on. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on December 01, 2014, 02:16:45 PM I try to only hurt the things I love.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 01, 2014, 02:54:45 PM Why implement something that would never get used. :awesome_for_real: And the prequels did suck. I didn't realize this was a subject for debate. Plenty of kids enjoyed them. You remember kids, right? Like the kind of person who ignores all the contrivances and plot holes that put two teens up against their dad who's THE WORST guy in the galaxy. But it's cool because they have Space magic to help them fight and a totally bitchin' cool older guy with a hot rod who's into the sister, even though she's 15 years younger. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 01, 2014, 03:47:57 PM That's rubbish; Both NH and ESB had a lot more than 1. By Jedi, it was getting toned down, but you could still make an argument for 'Lots of Stars'. ESB has the falcon in the asteroid belt and what else am I missing? NH has "that's no moon" "don't get cocky kid" and "let's blow this thing and go home" but I don't think any of the others have that much. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 01, 2014, 03:53:11 PM Why implement something that would never get used. :awesome_for_real: And the prequels did suck. I didn't realize this was a subject for debate. Plenty of kids enjoyed them. You remember kids, right? Like the kind of person who ignores all the contrivances and plot holes that put two teens up against their dad who's THE WORST guy in the galaxy. But it's cool because they have Space magic to help them fight and a totally bitchin' cool older guy with a hot rod who's into the sister, even though she's 15 years younger. Yep, it is fair to say they are kids films, which is why they feature dismemberment, torture, mass murder of children, tax disputes, and kids retrieving their father's severed head. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: RhyssaFireheart on December 01, 2014, 03:56:44 PM No idea if t his will share properly and it's too big for imgur
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FCkntjFwnJA/VHyXDwzRVJI/AAAAAAABtng/WBifcVmtWRQ/w640-h262-no/Xc6mozE%2B-%2BImgur.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 01, 2014, 03:59:51 PM But the general mood here isn't just about Star Wars lately--it's everything. I really am having a hard time figuring out what it is that some people like, if anything. There isn't much to talk about when you like something. "Did you see/play this? It was good." is about as far as that discussion goes.I disagree. I think it's much more interesting to read someone articulating why they like something beyond just their initial emotional reaction. It's also a lot harder to do than just explaining why something sucks, and I think in a lot of cases people are reluctant to spend a lot of time thinking about why they like something out of fear of diminishing it somehow. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 01, 2014, 04:02:29 PM NSFW reason: language. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: schild on December 01, 2014, 04:08:07 PM You know, as much as we evoke that one it never ceases to remind me how utterly, utterly opposite of 'Fucking Be There' I Am Legend turned out to be. I Am Legend was better than 4 of the previous 6 Star Wars movies. Onward to page 100 or some shit for this though. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rendakor on December 01, 2014, 04:26:21 PM I disagree. I think it's much more interesting to read someone articulating why they like something beyond just their initial emotional reaction. It's also a lot harder to do than just explaining why something sucks, and I think in a lot of cases people are reluctant to spend a lot of time thinking about why they like something out of fear of diminishing it somehow. What I meant was more along the lines of, positive comments about a game rarely generate discussion. When they do it's often either "I like that too!" (discussion over) or "How could you like that, it sucks because reasons!" I can't remember the last time I've been in a discussion online with several people just talking about how good something was that was more meaningful than the above. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 01, 2014, 04:27:25 PM Why implement something that would never get used. :awesome_for_real: And the prequels did suck. I didn't realize this was a subject for debate. Plenty of kids enjoyed them. You remember kids, right? Like the kind of person who ignores all the contrivances and plot holes that put two teens up against their dad who's THE WORST guy in the galaxy. But it's cool because they have Space magic to help them fight and a totally bitchin' cool older guy with a hot rod who's into the sister, even though she's 15 years younger. Yep, it is fair to say they are kids films, which is why they feature dismemberment, torture, mass murder of children, tax disputes, and kids retrieving their father's severed head. Hey, guess what, in the 70's and 80's people didn't give as big of a shit about it. We weren't as goddamn protectionist about the "precious angels" and "childhoold innocence" which is utter bullshit. The Last Unicorn was terrifying with the red bull. Neverending Story was about death and the void and the emptiness of both. ET was creepy as shit and dealt with death. The Dark Crystal was creepy as fuck and involved no fluffy bunnies. Labyrinth put nightmares of being abudcted into kid's heads. The Secret of Nimh was prety goddamn dark and killed Nicodemus in a very graphic manner. The Fox and the Hound killed an aggressive but legitimately good dog. Bambi's mom was shot. Voltron killed a main cast member. Optimus Prime died. Watership Fucking Down was a regular showing in 4th and 5th grade classes. Let's not forget Gremlins, Ghostbusters, Stand By Me, Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom, Goonies, Something Wicked this Way Comes also being big movies we all saw before the age of 11 or 12. So yeah. Star Wars was a kids movie. Prequels were made for ungrateful grumpy old assholes with hooks for kids. Only one group enjoyed it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 01, 2014, 04:30:31 PM Kids enjoyed them is not a defense. There are a great many things I liked as a child that when I've gone back to watch or read......... :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods:
Children liking it and everybody else hating it should probably be the most damning thing about the films. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 01, 2014, 04:31:28 PM It's not a defense. It's saying grow the fuck up, realize it's not for you and let kids enjoy it.
But the internet loves pretending they're still teenagers who haven't seen a boob. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 01, 2014, 05:00:23 PM ........
The internet/Adults: "God those prequel movies were horrible films." Merusk: "Oh yeah, well kids liked them!" Internet/Me: "Kids like lots of terrible shit." Merusk: "Grow up, you act like you've never seen a boob!" That's the current logical flow I'm getting from this argument. We are adults discussing how terrible and/or un-enjoyable a movie was (a time honored tradition). I'm not getting how the opinion of children matter concerning this, or how we are in any way not letting "kids enjoy it." As you've said, they'll watch it (and a lot of other shit) regardless of what their parents think or say. My nephews watch a lot of terrible shit on TV while their mother and I sit back on the couch making fun of it while drinking (a time honored tradition). Now if they were a completely kids only focused films, like say Barney or what ever, that would be one thing. What's sadder than a bunch of adults sitting around and arguing over the theatrical merits of a Barney movie. It really is only for them. But the Star Wars prequels WERE made and marketed with the intention that adults should watch them as well, which puts them into the greater pool of films up for criticism. Honestly, I'm (mostly) not trying to be a dick. I just don't get what argument you are trying to make, and I've seen you bring up 'the children' when discussing these movies in the past. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 01, 2014, 05:05:19 PM I haven't come across many (or possibly any) people who liked the prequels even if they are on the right side of whatever the prequel equivalent of the ewok line is. I mean sure, kids will sit in front of the action sequences, but they aren't exactly Toy Story. People who were 10 for Phantom Menace are now 25 years old, there must be some of them posting here.
Calling something a kids film doesn't mean you get to lower standards. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 01, 2014, 05:14:04 PM It's not a defense. It's saying grow the fuck up, realize it's not for you and let kids enjoy it. But the internet loves pretending they're still teenagers who haven't seen a boob. Problem with that is, Star Wars (4,5,6 - movies) have an audience that is not going to give that up to a younger generation. The new generation can go get their own god damn original trilogy. When you tie the name of something beloved by a previous generation, yeah they are going to show interest in it and it better be appropriate and on par or else. But hey... this is just me telling the kids to get off my lawn. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 01, 2014, 05:23:20 PM Oo, we should talk about what makes the original trilogy films enjoyable for grown people to watch, in terms of qualities that can be objectively evaluated separate from nostalgia. That'll piss off all the bad movie apologists without giving them "you guys just hate everything" to fall back on. :awesome_for_real:
You know how A New Hope has a plot that makes sense and causes one scene to follow the next? It makes you want to keep watching because you're interested in what's going to happen next. It's established up front that there's the Empire, which is bad, and the Rebels, which are good, and Luke is bored on his farm and craves adventure. Luke finds Leia's message, and that leads him to Obi-Wan, who takes Luke with him to hire Han to help him find Leia, which leads them to the Death Star, which has been the center of the entire conflict. Along the way Luke and Han both undergo growth as characters, and the end of the movie has a big exciting space battle where that character growth pays off -- Han has formed bonds with Luke and Leia that give him priorities above his own immediate self-interest, which leads him to show up at the end to give Luke the opening he needs, and Luke has gained self-confidence and new abilities that help him land the critical shot. It's not complicated, but everything fits together, like it's a story someone is telling you. It makes it fun to pay attention to. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 01, 2014, 05:32:01 PM ESB has the falcon in the asteroid belt and what else am I missing? "The Falcon in the asteroid belt" took up half the movie. And was also Star Destroyers in the asteroid belt. And Tie Bombers in the Asteroid belt. And was preceded by 2 burst of the Ion cannon which you might call a transition sequence but still involved Something getting shot at IN SPACE!!! And was followed by The falcon with a star destroyer on the Falcons ass. And the Falcon locked onto the Star destroyer and then floating in rubbish. So yeah, just one scene, so there was fuck all space at all. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 01, 2014, 05:33:04 PM I always thought the original three movies were (nearly) as naff and etc as you guys think the first three are. I didn't watch them as a child and I find the adult love really strange. I get it more now than I did when I was in high school, when I found it truly bizarre that kids who would bully star trek nerds loved star wars to death, but it is still pretty odd.
Please do. I would love to hear from all the adults who love Star Wars - excepting of course all those who watched them as a child and still haven't had the scales fall from their eyes. I think it will be a rather short discussion. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on December 01, 2014, 06:17:02 PM This is pretty good. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4UGV7WVB-bA)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 01, 2014, 06:26:45 PM I think anyone that has decided they hate this movie based on the first teaser for the first trailer is either so butthurt over the prequels they should consider therapy, or working so hard at their cynical hatred for all things that they should consider a lobotomy.
By the same token, you shouldn't be deciding you like the movie based on this, either. It's the most current entry in what will be a long series of them building up hype and anticipation. Since I've already decided I will see it based on the participation of the original cast alone, that hype is wasted on me. I might be convinced to see it opening weekend, but that's unlikely no matter how good it looks (I hate crowds, lines, and crappy neck-bending seats in the theater). The last time I saw a major movie on opening day, it was because my employer rented out a theater for a special showing. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 01, 2014, 07:09:23 PM Oo, we should talk about what makes the original trilogy films enjoyable for grown people to watch, in terms of qualities that can be objectively evaluated separate from nostalgia. That'll piss off all the bad movie apologists without giving them "you guys just hate everything" to fall back on. :awesome_for_real: I'm not a particularly big Star Wars fan, but I think there are a number of things that you can say make the original films enjoyable. There are a lot of good practical special effects, which is something I enjoy on a level that CG just doesn't do for me. Stuff like the prequel trilogy and the Hobbit movies lack a sense of physicality to a lot of their CG action sequences. There's an ingenuity behind a lot of the effects shots in the original trilogy that for whatever reason I really appreciate when I watch those scenes. That also includes the puppeteer work, particularly Frank Oz's work bringing Yoda to life. The effects manage to convey a sense of scale and scope that was pretty uncommon in movies prior to CG as well (and I'll still take the special effects of something like the AT-ATs over the special effects of something like Transformers any day). There's also some good performances from Harrison Ford, Anthony Daniels, James Earl Jones, Peter Cushing, Ian McDiarmid, and Alec Guinness. Phil Brown as Uncle Owen is also pretty fun to watch even though he doesn't get a lot of screen time. I guess maybe it says something that almost all the best characters in the series are either frequently dicks (Solo, C3P0, Owen, and even Yoda when Luke first meets him), or are the series villains. It also helps that there's just such a lack of great stuff in the genre, either Sci-Fi or Fantasy depending on how you choose to look at it, that something like the original trilogy stands out even if it isn't Citizen Kane or The Godfather. It took us over 30 years after Return of the Jedi to get Guardians of the Galaxy. What did we get in between then that's done what Star Wars was doing better than Star Wars? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 01, 2014, 07:51:34 PM What did we get in between then that's done what Star Wars was doing better than Star Wars? (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-VaQCSG-a0/Tk67NSPe-tI/AAAAAAAAENw/wSYDN0rhfJI/s1600/star%2Bmanvideo%2Bg.jpg)Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 01, 2014, 08:04:23 PM Possible plot spoiler?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 01, 2014, 08:50:42 PM I think a lot of what made the Star wars "STAR WARS" was actually the second movie (which Lucas had little to do with). The first one was a good movie, silly but yet serious in the same way the Magnificent Seven looks quaint if you watch it now. The Firse scene hooked you and also showed you in one scene how ill equipped the Rebels were to the empire.
Its hard to realise it now because its so familiar, but in the words of Hammil, the second movie was very dark, it was mystical, it was was extremely serious and the good guys got their asses kicked HARD. The good guys were tortured for no apparent reason, for example. It was a totally different tone that dealt with some weighty issues and the audiences loved it. The fight between Vader and Luke is brilliant and is unsurpassed by the dance routines of the sequels. It stands up today as a brilliant movie, and the arc through it is flawless. The third movie is alright but is the weakest of the 3 movies. It starts off ok, rapidly turns pretty damn stupid and then abruptly turns pretty damn good at the end. Its like the Fight over the Sarlak. The first part of that fight is brilliant, but it rapidly turns to slapstick. I read somewhere that Harrison Ford wanted Solo to be killed in it to add some wight to the thing but Lucas overuled him. Its very telling that the best of the Movies is the one that Lucas had the least to do with. But hey, this is the guy who went on to make Howard the Duck. Anyway, If you like him, this is that guy with glasses doing a review of the Star Wars Holiday special. It has footage of the Holiday special so you can sample it without choking your way through the whole 2 hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6PwQcCIXo Bonus points for Hammil being virtually unrecognizable due to having to wear slightly less makeup than Kim Kardasian. I don't know why exactly, but I imagine its due to his face being smashed up when Lucas dragging him in to make this turd, if I have the timing right. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ingmar on December 01, 2014, 11:38:27 PM Completely stupid/useless laser hilt aside, this looks like it will be fun.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 01, 2014, 11:43:59 PM Howard the duck is not a bad film
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hawkbit on December 02, 2014, 12:03:09 AM Completely stupid/useless laser hilt aside, this looks like it will be fun. That was exactly my take. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on December 02, 2014, 12:43:56 AM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 02, 2014, 01:39:25 AM It was a bad costume. Film was OK.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on December 02, 2014, 07:32:23 AM Also, Lucas went on to make Willow.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on December 02, 2014, 09:43:05 AM I watched 'The Phantom Menace' with the boys on the weekend and I had truly forgotten what an awful movie that was. I think I tolerated it when it came out because the fun of anticipating a new Star Wars movie was more exciting than the actual movie ended up being.
But my God, I really did forgot how terrible that movie is from start to finish. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 02, 2014, 09:47:05 AM But kids do like it.
Elena will watch The Prequels and Moffat with nary a wince. I, however, am usually chewing my own leg off to keep quiet. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 02, 2014, 10:28:02 AM By way of contrast, the original movies stand up pretty well to rewatching. I'm always kind of surprised when I see them again (seems like every few years or so I'll encounter some young 'un who hasn't seen them) at how much fun they are. The thing that tends to stick out the most is how hammy the performances are, but they're compelling and entertaining in their hamminess (Luke is the only one who ever grates with his angst, and he's only about 1/10th as grating as his father after him).
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on December 02, 2014, 10:40:29 AM Possible plot spoiler? Classic bit. It's nice to see Ford with a sense of humor. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on December 02, 2014, 10:47:41 AM But kids do like it. Elena will watch The Prequels and Moffat with nary a wince. I, however, am usually chewing my own leg off to keep quiet. The boys weren't really into it - but I might be forcing Star Wars on them a little young (they are 4). They kept asking why there was no Lego... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 02, 2014, 12:07:26 PM But the internet loves pretending they're still teenagers who haven't seen a boob. Please stop this. It's bullshit. People can legitimately dislike something without it being "hipster" or "IT'S NOT 4 U!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 02, 2014, 01:15:19 PM I didn't see this on the last few pages and I'm sure you've seen it already but this Colbert defense of the saber crossguards is awesome. Honestly,it's awesome because it's Colbert more than anything else!
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy (http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy) Apologies, I didn't find a direct Youtube link. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on December 02, 2014, 02:28:07 PM I didn't see this on the last few pages and I'm sure you've seen it already but this Colbert defense of the saber crossguards is awesome. Honestly,it's awesome because it's Colbert more than anything else! http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy (http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy) Apologies, I didn't find a direct Youtube link. Yeah, what Colbert said! He's got me beat by two weeks; I didn't go on release night back in 1977, the line curled around the Cine Capri theater in Phoenix. I had to come back for a matinee the next day. I was fourth in line and my 14 year old mind was blown away. I'm hoping for the same experience next year. Here's the movie theater, it was awesome. http://www.harkinstheatres.com/aboutCineCapri.aspx (http://www.harkinstheatres.com/aboutCineCapri.aspx) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 02, 2014, 02:47:28 PM I didn't see this on the last few pages and I'm sure you've seen it already but this Colbert defense of the saber crossguards is awesome. Honestly,it's awesome because it's Colbert more than anything else! http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy (http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy) Apologies, I didn't find a direct Youtube link. Yeah, what Colbert said! He's got me beat by two weeks; I didn't go on release night back in 1977, the line curled around the Cine Capri theater in Phoenix. I had to come back for a matinee the next day. I was fourth in line and my 14 year old mind was blown away. I'm hoping for the same experience next year. Here's the movie theater, it was awesome. http://www.harkinstheatres.com/aboutCineCapri.aspx (http://www.harkinstheatres.com/aboutCineCapri.aspx) Unlikely. Youre not 14 no more. Even if it was better you wouldnt know. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on December 02, 2014, 03:25:41 PM Let him dream.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on December 02, 2014, 04:43:22 PM Please do. I would love to hear from all the adults who love Star Wars - excepting of course all those who watched them as a child and still haven't had the scales fall from their eyes. I think it will be a rather short discussion. This would be a pointless conversation because if you (the royal "you" I mean) can't understand why the first 3 (or really 2) movies are better than the newer 3 you have a severe lack of understanding of the basics of film. What's better about the first 3? Uh...the acting, the script and the plot are probably good places to start. I'm a Star Wars hater and I don't think the original 3 are great films either, but they're like 10x better than the newer 3. The newer 3 movies are total turds on every level. I don't see how anyone who understands film can think otherwise. Honestly just compare the scrolling text in New Hope to The Phantom Menace. TPM is boring literally 3 seconds into the movie! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 02, 2014, 05:51:07 PM Yeah, I was getting a little carried away. The later 3 are worse. But that doesn't make the first three good.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 02, 2014, 05:55:02 PM Can we agree that they achieve some minimal level of competency that makes them watchable without the aid of prescription drugs?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Triforcer on December 02, 2014, 07:25:58 PM I still can't fathom how we got from the opening scene of ANH to "the taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems are in dispute" and an opening scene in a fucking CONFERENCE ROOM.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on December 02, 2014, 09:59:41 PM I have always sort of wondered that. It expresses a real specific sort of wayward authoritarian control over the plot, script, and storyboarding, and it seems to indicate that Lucas or whoever else could have possibly input to this was really not beholden to any sort of system known (or notorious) for making movies accessible, or really artistically lauded, or compelling in their pacing, or consistent in their tone.
And the whole start of episode one is so oddly none of these things? It is kind of amazing. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 03, 2014, 04:02:49 AM Can we agree that they achieve some minimal level of competency that makes them watchable without the aid of prescription drugs? I'm on prescription drugs. The movies are still shite. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 03, 2014, 04:39:29 AM Christ, you sound like me. Cheer up. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 03, 2014, 09:04:50 AM Can we agree that they achieve some minimal level of competency that makes them watchable without the aid of prescription drugs? I'm on prescription drugs. The movies are still shite. Thanks, NHS! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 03, 2014, 09:36:10 AM Christ, you sound like me. Cheer up. :why_so_serious: [/Needsmoredrugs!!!] Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: naum on December 03, 2014, 09:38:31 AM Quote from: Tannhauser link=topic=24056.msg1333943#msg1333943 Yeah, what Colbert said! He's got me beat by two weeks; I didn't go on release night back in 1977, the line curled around the Cine Capri theater in Phoenix. I had to come back for a matinee the next day. I was fourth in line and my 14 year old mind was blown away. I'm hoping for the same experience next year. Here's the movie theater, it was awesome. http://www.harkinstheatres.com/aboutCineCapri.aspx (http://www.harkinstheatres.com/aboutCineCapri.aspx) Yeah, the Cine Capri was an awesome theater. I was so sad when it got shuttered. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: rattran on December 03, 2014, 11:12:09 AM I got to see the full trilogy there when it rereleased, quite fun. But packed. The new Cine Capri in Snotsdale isn't even close to as cool.
I'll go see this film, I just hope it's more fun than Phantom Menace. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 03, 2014, 05:03:37 PM I actually like this shot much better when I can see what the hell is going on.
(http://i.imgur.com/Y3bpy1p.gif) I'm trying to think of what to call this camera technique. It's not shaky-cam. I'm thinking "double dutch angle". Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 03, 2014, 05:04:19 PM (http://i.imgur.com/Y3bpy1p.gif) I'm trying to think of what to call this camera technique. It's not shaky-cam. I'm thinking "double dutch angle". follow-cam or trailer-cam. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 03, 2014, 05:06:05 PM I should clarify -- in the actual footage the camera is rolling around (like a very extreme version of a dutch angle) as it follows the subject (the gif is showing you a stabilized version with the box indicating the original framing). That's the thing I don't know the name for.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on December 03, 2014, 07:22:30 PM I'm actually surprised the Tie Fighter design wasn't updated in some fashion.
Empire using relic spaceships, new stormtrooper armor, return of Sith ... Ah, New Empire. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: rattran on December 03, 2014, 08:51:12 PM I should clarify -- in the actual footage the camera is rolling around (like a very extreme version of a dutch angle) as it follows the subject (the gif is showing you a stabilized version with the box indicating the original framing). That's the thing I don't know the name for. I think we call it shitty camera work. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 03, 2014, 10:42:05 PM Maybe it's supposed to be the viewpoint of another ship that is trying to follow the Falcon. If it isn't, then they just swirled the virtual camera around for no fucking reason but to make the shot more "dynamic", ala shaky-cam fight scenes where you can't tell WTF is going on because you're trying to unscramble the viewpoint.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: tazelbain on December 04, 2014, 08:26:21 AM Ya, looks like is's just another effect in the same category as lens fair. Interesting visual effect when used in moderation, but JJ just can't help cracking it to 11.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 06, 2014, 05:38:59 AM (http://i.imgur.com/0EMG2zo.jpg)
:drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on December 06, 2014, 10:52:21 PM http://youtu.be/7EJ6AmplD8g
:awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: TheWalrus on December 07, 2014, 02:01:36 AM I'm trying to think of what to call this camera technique. It's not shaky-cam. I'm thinking "double dutch angle". Now I see a couple girls trying to film something while skipping rope. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on December 07, 2014, 07:15:53 AM http://youtu.be/7EJ6AmplD8g :awesome_for_real: Spot on. I hate Wes Anderson's movies. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on December 07, 2014, 08:48:05 AM http://youtu.be/7EJ6AmplD8g :awesome_for_real: Better trailer than the actual one. :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on December 07, 2014, 03:49:12 PM http://youtu.be/7EJ6AmplD8g :awesome_for_real: Better trailer than the actual one. :grin: http://youtu.be/7EJ6AmplD8g :awesome_for_real: Spot on. I hate Wes Anderson's movies. You are both right. Since this thread is so meta already anyway, something I wanted to ask. Is there anyone (else) who thinks that New Hope is actually better than Empire Returns? It seems to be one of those internet-laws that you have the say that the 2nd one is best, the 1st comes 2nd and 3rd one is the weakest. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 07, 2014, 03:54:51 PM It's a GenX thing. See the Clerks monologue. Things are only cool when they're anti-<x> or dystopian. Hope is lame, cynicism and sarcasm are the rule of cool. c.f. this site.
I put them about equal but always like the visuals of Empire and the Luke/ Vader fight better so it was my #1. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on December 07, 2014, 04:21:47 PM It's a GenX thing. See the Clerks monologue. Things are only cool when they're anti-<x> or dystopian. Hope is lame, cynicism and sarcasm are the rule of cool. c.f. this site. I put them about equal but always like the visuals of Empire and the Luke/ Vader fight better so it was my #1. Interesting aspect. Thank you. :-) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 07, 2014, 05:02:02 PM It's a GenX thing. See the Clerks monologue. Things are only cool when they're anti-<x> or dystopian. Hope is lame, cynicism and sarcasm are the rule of cool. c.f. this site. I put them about equal but always like the visuals of Empire and the Luke/ Vader fight better so it was my #1. Did you just say that you like the same stupid things that everyone else likes, but you like them for better reasons so it's okay, right after you were railing against Gen X hipsters? :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 07, 2014, 08:29:30 PM Empire is clearly the better film on every single level. It's got nothing to do with hipster anti-bullshit or whatever "I'm so much cooler than the cynical by being anti-cynical" cumguzzle that Merusk has been on lately. It's just a better goddamn movie. It's got nothing to do with hope or darkness or whatever. It's shot better, the effects are better, the scale is grander, the story and character beats are better. It's what happens when a good director is allowed to be good.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 08, 2014, 01:26:37 AM Growing up, the general consensus was that Return was the best, then Empire. As we became adults, it shifted to Empire then Return. But almost nobody I know (IRL, internet is different obviously :awesome_for_real:) thinks the first one is better than Empire or Return.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 08, 2014, 04:16:53 AM As a kid I could have watched the space battle in Return all fucking day, but even then wished it wasn't intercut with other bullshit.
As a grown up, Star Wars is a better film. But empire has always been the best and I never met anyone who seriously thought otherwise. Even as a kid it was Empire that hints the universe has even more cool shit in it than we see on screen. It has ATATs and grappling hooks and Asteroid worms and Boba Fett and Darth Vader being properly mean, and no 5 way intercut bullshit ending. That said I'm guessing the 'which was better as a kid' is very dependent on your exact age. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 08, 2014, 05:08:48 AM I actually saw both Star wars and Empire for the first time back to back when I was 9 or 10 I think. Even then I knew Empire was the better movie and I haven't changed my opinion. That's not to say that Star Wars is a bad movie at all because its a good movie, just that Empire is a better one.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 08, 2014, 05:30:32 AM NH and Empire go together though. Without NH, Empire would not be as great. It needed the set up. I agree Empire is the better of the two movies, but only because NH was out there with all the loose ends.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 08, 2014, 08:44:01 AM Call me a simpleton but I've never thought of Empire being the better movie because Return finishes the trilogy. I love Return for the last 1/3rd? of the films as it cuts between the battle on Endor, the battle above Endor and the battle in the throne room. They are part of my childhood and really I see them as a complete set.
I also like white bread. edit: What binary said, none of them work without the other. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on December 08, 2014, 09:00:32 AM I loved Jedi for the space battles. I loved ANH for the Death Star rescue sequence, it was like a dungeon crawl. Empire is technically the better movie because of a lot of reasons Haemish mentioned, but I always loved the other two better. My opinion would be so much different if these opinions weren't formulated through the eyes of a kid seeing them over and over again back in the 80s.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 08, 2014, 09:33:17 AM Certainly none of them (except maybe star wars) work without the others existing, but Return would have been much easier to improve with a better writer and/or director.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 08, 2014, 10:18:33 AM What are peoples criticisms of Return? Only thing I ever usually hear is "fucking Ewoks" which really never bothered me.
The movie was the most epic in scope. Epic fights in different dramatic settings. Massive fleet battle. Luke (IMO) successfully portraying himself as having trained up enough to be an actual Jedi bad ass, instead of the clumsy whiny bitch he started out on in the first movie. The saber fight at the end where they try to turn him was really well done. Return just had the most visually impressive scenes, great fight pacing, fine acting, and a very satisfying plot conclusion. I can't really fault it on anything, other than maybe Ewoks being 'silly'. I only give the nod to Empire because the dialog was a little more witty/adult, and was well paced. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 08, 2014, 10:30:35 AM What are peoples criticisms of Return? Only thing I ever usually hear is "fucking Ewoks" which really never bothered me. The movie was the most epic in scope. Epic fights in different dramatic settings. Massive fleet battle. Luke (IMO) successfully portraying himself as having trained up enough to be an actual Jedi bad ass, instead of the clumsy whiny bitch he started out on in the first movie. The saber fight at the end where they try to turn him was really well done. Return just had the most visually impressive scenes, great fight pacing, fine acting, and a very satisfying plot conclusion. I can't really fault it on anything, other than maybe Ewoks being 'silly'. I only give the nod to Empire because the dialog was a little more witty/adult, and was well paced. Ewok vs stormtroopers was clownshoes. Fett's death? more clownshoes. Even as a kid, I was not buying either of those situations. There was too much looney tunes humor in Jedi. Cut all that out, and it would have been the best of the three. It really felt like a muppet movie for long stretches that I was not enjoying after the rawness of Empire. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 08, 2014, 10:31:18 AM What are peoples criticisms of Return? Only thing I ever usually hear is "fucking Ewoks" which really never bothered me. The movie was the most epic in scope. Epic fights in different dramatic settings. Massive fleet battle. Luke (IMO) successfully portraying himself as having trained up enough to be an actual Jedi bad ass, instead of the clumsy whiny bitch he started out on in the first movie. The saber fight at the end where they try to turn him was really well done. Return just had the most visually impressive scenes, great fight pacing, fine acting, and a very satisfying plot conclusion. I can't really fault it on anything, other than maybe Ewoks being 'silly'. I only give the nod to Empire because the dialog was a little more witty/adult, and was well paced. The first half is an overlong tonally confused plot hole that feels like an entirely different film. The second half is 3 perfectly adequate stories that are less than the sum of their parts because of hyperactive editing. It is still a fun film mind you. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 08, 2014, 10:46:27 AM There must be some rule about how all threads about Star Wars on the internet turn into VI vs V debates....
Not sure how the first half was a plot hole? They have to rescue Han and you get Jabba the Hutt, the Rancor and a pretty iconic set piece to round it off. Now that the crew is back together off we go to setup the finale. :dead_horse: :dead_horse: :dead_horse: :dead_horse: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on December 08, 2014, 11:08:17 AM What are peoples criticisms of Return? Only thing I ever usually hear is "fucking Ewoks" which really never bothered me. Fucking ewoks.Seriously. If they hadn't been so damn stupid, Return would easily be my favorite of the three. There's a lot about Empire that make me consider it the most important of the films, however the locations were likewise the most uninteresting of the three to me. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 08, 2014, 11:29:17 AM Main problem with Return of the Jedi (IMHO) is that it was kinda all over the place. A New Hope was the most cohesive film of the triology because it had a single fairly tight story and mostly followed one group of characters together. Return split the party into what, three main groups by the end, each with very tonally different stories? (Lando doing the exciting pewpew space battle, Han/Leia/Chewy/droids doing ewok/stormtrooper slapstick, Luke doing grimdark Jedi stuff.) It was definitely Lucas going "and we'll put THIS in there! And THIS!" It was all great stuff on its own (even the Ewok slapstick was good for what it was) but it didn't fit together that well.
Phantom Menace took that even further (slapstick pewpew space battle plus political commando action plus grimdark jedi plus slapstick ground battle), with the added bonus that the individual pieces weren't even that good on their own. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on December 08, 2014, 12:45:19 PM Phantom Menace took that even further (slapstick pewpew space battle plus political commando action plus grimdark jedi plus slapstick ground battle), with the added bonus that the individual pieces weren't even that good on their own. :awesome_for_real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da8s9m4zEpo#t=3307 Edit: I guess the time code doesn't work, skip to 55 minutes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on December 08, 2014, 12:57:26 PM Phantom Menace took that even further (slapstick pewpew space battle plus political commando action plus grimdark jedi plus slapstick ground battle), with the added bonus that the individual pieces weren't even that good on their own. :awesome_for_real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da8s9m4zEpo#t=3307 Edit: I guess the time code doesn't work, skip to 55 minutes. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) I may have gone too far in a few places. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 08, 2014, 01:01:44 PM Ewok vs stormtroopers was clownshoes. Mostly this. I still like Return, but even as a kid I felt like the Ewoks won because they were pandering to kids and adults who like cute furry critters (not in a sexual way). Had that been the planet of Wookies, I'd have bought it more than little goddamn teddy bears. But even aside from that, Empire had a much more believable tone - it wasn't a fairy tale, it was an actual adventure story with real danger and what felt like real consequences. Luke getting his hand chopped off and Solo getting captured and frozen in carbonite felt more real to me than the death of Vader and "IT'S A TRAP!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soulflame on December 08, 2014, 01:30:42 PM Ewoks vs Stormtroopers is the Civ 2 of the Star Wars movies. Goddamn spearmen taking out your battleship, except the technological divide is far greater than that.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 08, 2014, 02:13:24 PM Had that been the planet of Wookies, There are no wookies on Endor! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on December 08, 2014, 02:30:14 PM There's also two fucking 'EE's in Wookiee.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 08, 2014, 02:39:35 PM I refuse to worry about proper spelling on goddamn Star Wars. :roll:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on December 08, 2014, 02:40:57 PM Asking me to choose between NH and ESB is like asking me to choose between my two kids. ROTJ is the red-headed step child.
You have the amazement of NH bringing this universe to existence, the Death Star rescue, the destruction of said Death Star. You have Hoth, Han and Leia hooking up and of course Vader kicking his kids' ass. I didn't like Dagobah, slowed the movie to a crawl. ROTJ actually went back to 'Big' after the personal stories of ESB. Sure it has issues as mentioned above, but the space battle was epic and the death of the Emperor and salvation of Anakin was suitably epic. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 08, 2014, 06:25:15 PM I hope you don't ever "own" any children! :ye_gods:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 08, 2014, 07:59:02 PM I hope you don't ever "own" any children! :ye_gods: What about "pwning" children? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 08, 2014, 09:42:36 PM I hope you don't ever "own" any children! :ye_gods: What about "pwning" children? Keenly encouraged. Everyone needs life lessons! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 09, 2014, 03:03:01 AM Basically Return was all over the place in tone. There are BITS of Return that are fantastic, like any scene with the Emperor in it, and the first part of Luke's fight over the Sarlack, and the space battle at the end is great. The Problem is the stupid slapstick. That fight over the Sarlack turned into looney tune comedy for no reason. The Ewoks could have actually been played rather menacing in the beginning when they were planning to eat the Characters, but even that was played for juvenile laughs.
If someone had kicked Lucas in the nuts and excised out all the stupid shit Return could have been great. It certainly was not what people were expecting after the great serious tone of Empire. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 09, 2014, 08:03:37 AM And to add, there is slapstick in star wars, there is slapstick in Fellowship of the Ring, there is slapstick in Indiana Jones, the point being it is good slapstick inserted at the right moments rather than the gear crunching mess Lucas specialises in.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on December 09, 2014, 08:55:24 AM What about "pwning" children? (http://i.imgur.com/7biXbTJ.png) I want to link this image in everything. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on December 09, 2014, 11:33:36 AM And to add, there is slapstick in star wars, there is slapstick in Fellowship of the Ring, there is slapstick in Indiana Jones, the point being it is good slapstick inserted at the right moments rather than the gear crunching mess Lucas specialises in. Well yes. But Indiana Jones and Star Wars are tonally different films. What works in the first might well be too much/out of place in the second. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40386/Smileys/pizzarollsstationarysmi.png) I may have gone too far in a few places. Who said it? A) George Lucas B) Adolf Hitler Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on December 09, 2014, 03:21:52 PM As a random aside, I met a guy on Saturday who was a prop maker on Episode 7 and he mentioned that his company are likely to be starting pre-prod work on the spin-off in March.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: taolurker on December 11, 2014, 04:25:24 PM Character names for new movie exclusively revealed in Entertainment Weekly...
Using retro topps card graphics (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-names/) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on December 11, 2014, 05:14:41 PM That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 12, 2014, 09:28:28 PM BB-8 (soccer droid) wasn't CGI. It's a practical effect, a working prop.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/12/7385691/star-wars-droid-force-awakens :drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on December 13, 2014, 06:18:52 AM Vindication!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ginaz on December 14, 2014, 06:18:29 AM Character names for new movie exclusively revealed in Entertainment Weekly... Using retro topps card graphics (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-names/) I use to buy those cards. I wonder if the new cards have a stick of really hard gum with flavour that lasts for only 30 seconds? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 14, 2014, 06:40:19 AM Nope, they stopped that years ago and inspired lamenting blogs from older sports writers ever since.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ratman_tf on December 21, 2014, 05:20:27 PM Empire was good, but like the Boba Fandom, fans could stand to refrain from wanking off to it so hard.
Ah, a Star Wars movie by JJ Abrams. I'm putting my money on it getting all the "nouns" right, but being off in tone by about a light year. :D Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Azazel on December 22, 2014, 06:04:48 AM After the last four, the bar isn't exactly high... :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 25, 2014, 03:18:45 AM Empire was good, but like the Boba Fandom, fans could stand to refrain from wanking off to it so hard. Ah, a Star Wars movie by JJ Abrams. I'm putting my money on it getting all the "nouns" right, but being off in tone by about a light year. :D Have you not seen his two Star Trek films? In a lot of ways they're better Star Wars films than the last few actual Star Wars films were. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hawkbit on December 25, 2014, 11:12:47 AM Everything I didn't like about the way Abrams changed Star Trek into an action movie is exactly why I'm excited about him taking over Star Wars. It's hard to get super excited after the prequels, but I think he's going to do SW right.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on April 16, 2015, 11:59:06 AM Teaser #2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on April 16, 2015, 12:02:16 PM GODDAMN
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: taolurker on April 16, 2015, 12:09:59 PM http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/16/8431295/star-wars-the-force-awakens-bb-8-puppet-jj-abrams
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 16, 2015, 12:12:04 PM Fanservice fanservice LOTS OF FLASHING LIGHTS fanservice.
Definitely a JJ project. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on April 16, 2015, 12:18:23 PM (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCu7ym2UkAAMhpP.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Trippy on April 16, 2015, 12:31:31 PM Remove that :large from your image URL.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on April 16, 2015, 12:33:40 PM Bigger version for your wallpaper needs.
And if you like Han and Chewie: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on April 16, 2015, 12:51:29 PM Quote @thebrianposehn I honestly felt nothing. I'm glad you're excited and hopeful, but George Lucas took a greasy shit in my heart a long long time ago.#dontcare I haven't watched it yet, but I feel more inclined to agree with Posehn. The prequels so thoroughly raped and murdered my love for Star Wars that this is just another movie now. I will still see it, and I hope my son loves it, but it would have to be very special to rekindle that romance. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on April 16, 2015, 01:04:37 PM If it helps, Lawrence Kasdan (co-writer of Empire and Return of the Jedi) is co-writer with Abrams on this installment.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on April 16, 2015, 01:22:48 PM Keep it up, J.J., and you might actually make a decent hash of this.
My expectations are pretty even - Lucas teabagged his own IP and J.J.'s daliances with other people's IP has not borne anything good so far (though you can at least partially distribute the blame for the Star Trek clusterfuckage to the honking shit-bird that sits in Bob Orci's brain-pan), to the point where the two Episode VII teasers are now the sum total of 'things J.J. Abrams did that I liked' to date. Having said that, love the Tatooine visuals and I now have a proper John Williams-on. You've been phoning it in for years, Williams. Time to get back to your best work. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ingmar on April 16, 2015, 01:23:00 PM I hated the prequels (enough that I never even saw the 3rd one) and I'm still all-in on this.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 16, 2015, 01:24:31 PM Quote @thebrianposehn I honestly felt nothing. I'm glad you're excited and hopeful, but George Lucas took a greasy shit in my heart a long long time ago.#dontcare I haven't watched it yet, but I feel more inclined to agree with Posehn. The prequels so thoroughly raped and murdered my love for Star Wars that this is just another movie now. I will still see it, and I hope my son loves it, but it would have to be very special to rekindle that romance. Don't care, still excited. Go away, I'll remain happy. :awesome_for_real: I hated the prequels (enough that I never even saw the 3rd one) and I'm still all-in on this. Yup. Other people's need to tear-down things can't get me on this one. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on April 16, 2015, 01:31:16 PM I hated the prequels (enough that I never even saw the 3rd one) and I'm still all-in on this. Yup - this is me too, except I did actually sit through the 3rd one once. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 16, 2015, 01:34:08 PM The 3rd one is my son's favorite and aside from the fuckstupid of Padme dying of a broken heart it's one of the most fun. I don't hate it and think it's the best of the sequels and just below Jedi. Try and catch it on TV when Spike runs it in a few weeks.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on April 16, 2015, 01:37:54 PM I must say, trailer 2 actually piqued my interest a shitton more than the first teaser.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on April 16, 2015, 01:42:05 PM Fiancee is a Harrison Ford fan, showed her the end of the trailer. She looked at my crotch. I hid my nerd boner. But she knew.
The crashed ships, the Vader mask. Yes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on April 16, 2015, 01:44:31 PM I still expect this to be a shallow husk of Star Wars much like what happened with Star Trek (lots of homage to Star Wars' most famous hooks, but no substance)... but I gotta admit I am now almost sure to see this in a theater.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on April 16, 2015, 01:49:56 PM Fiancee is a Harrison Ford fan, showed her the end of the trailer. She looked at my crotch. I hid my nerd boner. But she knew. Then?? What happened?? You can't leave us with a cliffhanger like that! :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on April 16, 2015, 01:50:17 PM That was pure button pushing that trailer.
And I don't care. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 16, 2015, 01:50:55 PM I must say, trailer 2 actually piqued my interest a shitton more than the first teaser. I don't trust how heavily it's banking on nostalgia from the OT to get me excited. It suggests they might not be bringing anything new to the table that's worth getting excited about. I guess just regurgitating the OT is a step up from the prequels, in the sense that vomit is a step up from crap. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on April 16, 2015, 01:56:30 PM Did you want a whole new story set in the SW mythos with nothing tying back to the OT?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on April 16, 2015, 01:59:17 PM The 3rd one is my son's favorite and aside from the fuckstupid of Padme dying of a broken heart it's one of the most fun. I don't hate it and think it's the best of the sequels and just below Jedi. Try and catch it on TV when Spike runs it in a few weeks. (http://www.flagpole.com/i/thumbnail/darth-vader-nooooo.jpg/600//on/7535) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Chimpy on April 16, 2015, 02:04:38 PM Lucas did more damage with the fucking constant "reworking" of the original movies than he did with the prequels for me. I watch the prequels and say "meh", I can't watch the original movies ever again because they have been reworked so much.
Of course, I am not really mega geek about any of this stuff. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on April 16, 2015, 02:05:41 PM SWEET MOTHER MARY!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on April 16, 2015, 02:07:10 PM Having said that, love the Tatooine visuals It's a new desert planet called Jakku. Also, the silver Stormtrooper is Gwendoline Christie's character. :drillf: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on April 16, 2015, 02:12:55 PM (http://i.imgur.com/lCrL7UX.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 16, 2015, 02:21:53 PM Did you want a whole new story set in the SW mythos with nothing tying back to the OT? I'd like a story that ties back to the OT but is also capable of standing on its own. If it's just going to be two hours of "hey, remember the Millennium Falcon? Look, here it is! And Harrison Ford is in it!" I'd rather just watch the OT again. I don't know for certain yet that that's what this movie is going to be, but if the trailers are any indication I'll probably be happier catching it on Netflix. But some people liked Into Darkness, so there's no accounting for taste. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 16, 2015, 02:26:50 PM The 3rd one is my son's favorite and aside from the fuckstupid of Padme dying of a broken heart it's one of the most fun. I don't hate it and think it's the best of the sequels and just below Jedi. Try and catch it on TV when Spike runs it in a few weeks. /darth-vader-nooooo.jpg Oh right. That scene, too. I got what it was going for, but that whole moment ruined it. That said, without the goddamn Noooo it was still better than "dying of a broken heart." Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on April 16, 2015, 02:27:47 PM Between Avengers 2 and the REALLY of Terminator: Genisys, I think I've seen enough Star Wars trailers. I'm sold.
It would be insulting to call this film merely serviceable to the franchise. I think it will deliver. Maybe some Fridge Logic after viewing but Disney knows how important the success of this film is to their bottom line. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 16, 2015, 02:29:43 PM The brand is strong enough that it'll be a financial success even if it's worse than the prequels. People will watch it, bitch about how much they hated it, and then watch it three more times in the theater.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on April 16, 2015, 02:33:06 PM Into Darkness was the best Star Trek anything ever.
edit: though the one where they went back to the drunk inventor of the warp drive wasn't bad, if you ignore Reading Rainbow and the child molesting #2. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on April 16, 2015, 03:09:59 PM Seems alright I guess. I'll watch it of course. They deserve a chance to make up for the prequels. But if it sucks I'm out on all the new Star Wars stuff.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on April 16, 2015, 04:13:04 PM Based on the masked Sith and what I've read about KOTOR and the Canon review, I see Bioware's work strongly influencing the film. Whether it's Notable Lore Character A or B revealed in the first or second film, who knows.
The monomyth Joseph Campbell outlined which Star Wars drew significant influence from appears to be making a comeback with another Skywalker tale. I wouldn't be surprised if the film calls attention to this. Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on April 16, 2015, 05:33:46 PM Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? I had the same thought. Maybe the flamethrower has little lightsabers that pop out of the nozzle. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on April 16, 2015, 05:46:59 PM And why does the masked Sith appear twice? These were a rush job?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Triforcer on April 16, 2015, 06:19:32 PM Just a trailer, but more instantly memorable visuals than all the prequels combined. I am almost convinced this movie will not start in a conference room.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 16, 2015, 06:30:53 PM Just this shot is better than all the prequels.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on April 16, 2015, 06:39:57 PM That's because it is actual dudes in suits instead of CG fake looking garbage.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090918154725/starwars/images/7/7d/Grand_army_formation.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 16, 2015, 07:38:08 PM That's a very McQuarrie-inspired matte painting behind those Clone troopers, too, instead of a CGI backscape. Even if it is a digital matte it's better than the faux occlusion of CGI.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on April 16, 2015, 08:54:02 PM I saw several of the originals, painted on shower glass doors. Still amazing and accurate.
Edit: trailer also awesome Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on April 16, 2015, 09:10:06 PM Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? I had the same thought. Maybe the flamethrower has little lightsabers that pop out of the nozzle. I figured they'd have a scene where they flamethrow a whole bunch of Ewoks...and Gungan...and the nerds can cheer. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on April 16, 2015, 09:18:45 PM Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? Somebody's never played Force Unleashed... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Furiously on April 16, 2015, 09:19:37 PM 10 million views already on that trailer. It's almost like Disney realized Star Wars was a license designed to print money.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on April 17, 2015, 02:21:27 AM Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? Did you never wonder why Owen and Beru were left as charred remains? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on April 17, 2015, 02:44:50 AM Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? I had the same thought. Maybe the flamethrower has little lightsabers that pop out of the nozzle. Solves a lot of issues Stormtroopers have with aim. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on April 17, 2015, 02:50:03 AM I don't see a problem with flamethrowers. It's still a very effective weapons against civilians and unarmored soldiers. Hell no one complained when Jango Fett was shooting a flamethrower at Obi-Wan.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on April 17, 2015, 03:11:52 AM It is also a good terror weapon, which is half the point of stormtroopers in the first place. Also, I assume their flame-throwing technology to be superior to whatever we have.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on April 17, 2015, 04:53:04 AM Flame is also very hard to defend against using the Force. You can't block it with a lightsaber and you can't force-push it away. Like the Jango reference above, the only defense Mace had was to jump off the balcony.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on April 17, 2015, 04:58:38 AM Matthew McConaughey watches the new trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHdQUyOunA Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on April 17, 2015, 06:50:28 AM Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? Can you think of a better weapon to fight a Jedi with? It's kind of hard to deflect a ball of fire with a laser sword.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on April 17, 2015, 06:58:21 AM You know there is some EU book out there where all a jedi has to do is create a force bubble or something and they win.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Bunk on April 17, 2015, 07:14:10 AM I am quite ashamed that my first thought on seeing the crashed Star Destroyer was "Are they tying this in to Force Unleashed?"
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soulflame on April 17, 2015, 07:43:38 AM How does a Star Destroyer crash into a planet without 1. fragmenting to shit and 2. killing everthing on the planet.
Something that large crashing into a planet should be an extinction event. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on April 17, 2015, 07:57:04 AM Well, the planet does look pretty much like a desert. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on April 17, 2015, 08:02:28 AM Well, the planet does look pretty much like a desert. :why_so_serious: That was my thought. That planet was probably Dagobah. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on April 17, 2015, 08:02:46 AM How does a Star Destroyer crash into a planet without 1. fragmenting to shit and 2. killing everthing on the planet. Something that large crashing into a planet should be an extinction event. I guess the empire built shit to last. Also, it probably didn't crash into the ground at full velocity. It probably crash landed. Just look at any plane crash wreckage. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on April 17, 2015, 09:27:30 AM How does a Star Destroyer crash into a planet without 1. fragmenting to shit and 2. killing everthing on the planet. Something that large crashing into a planet should be an extinction event. I guess the empire built shit to last. Also, it probably didn't crash into the ground at full velocity. It probably crash landed. Just look at any plane crash wreckage. As seen in at the beginning of ROTS - if you managed to stay awake that long (and couldn't help wondering why Coruscant had a lengthy runway when most ships seemed to have VTOL capacity. And no wheels.) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Maven on April 17, 2015, 10:09:31 AM How does a Star Destroyer crash into a planet without 1. fragmenting to shit and 2. killing everthing on the planet. Something that large crashing into a planet should be an extinction event. Sci fantasy, rule of cool, take your pick. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 17, 2015, 10:28:18 AM How does a Star Destroyer crash into a planet without 1. fragmenting to shit and 2. killing everthing on the planet. Something that large crashing into a planet should be an extinction event. Also we're assuming it's a crash. It could literally be a planet where they dump all the old imperial ships that were rendered non functional in the war. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on April 17, 2015, 10:45:33 AM It's a crash. The Battle of Jakku was a post Endor event according to stuff coming out of Anaheim. Also the OT X-Wing in the foreground.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on April 17, 2015, 10:48:52 AM I guess that Battle will be playable in the new BF game as well.
But leave it to you nerds to complain about a crashed Star Destroyer. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on April 17, 2015, 11:06:42 AM I'm glad that after 6 movies we've finally decided to call out Star Wars on its unrealistic physics. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: K9 on April 17, 2015, 11:55:32 AM You know there is some EU book out there where all a jedi has to do is create a force bubble or something and they win. Yeah, but then the EU is like some probability vortex where if look hard enough, you'll find anything. Case in point, lightsaber knees Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on April 17, 2015, 12:13:16 PM You know there is some EU book out there where all a jedi has to do is create a force bubble or something and they win. Yeah, but then the EU is like some probability vortex where if look hard enough, you'll find anything. Case in point, lightsaber knees I'm so glad Disney came in, looked at the EU, and said "Lol. Yeah, no. None of this is real." Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on April 17, 2015, 12:24:47 PM Am I the only one not excited by this trailer.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on April 17, 2015, 02:17:22 PM I'm not excited by it either, mostly because I have an immediate hate-reaction to being openly manipulated by fan service. I have been enjoying reading people get way overhyped for it, though. I only wish I still had that sort of optimism for things.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on April 17, 2015, 03:16:32 PM I am way overhyped and am totally cool with that. I like this feeling of 'hey, this might actually be awesome' and i am going to hold onto it for as long as I can.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 17, 2015, 03:23:23 PM Making any star wars movie set in roughly the same timeline as the originals is by definition fan service.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 17, 2015, 04:23:49 PM I'm not excited by it either, mostly because I have an immediate hate-reaction to being openly manipulated by fan service. Maybe that's what's killing it for me. When I can see the grubby fingers reaching out to push my buttons I reflexively flinch away from them. One of those fingers invariably ends up someplace I don't want it to be if I don't keep my guard up. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on April 17, 2015, 05:57:11 PM Some of you are broken. Let the temporary hope flow inside you and allow yourself to dream again. Call it shit around Christmas time when you're in the usual holiday spirit.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on April 17, 2015, 06:31:41 PM It's much easier to just assume everything is garbage until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on April 17, 2015, 06:35:20 PM I know they're pushing my buttons. George Lucas forgot why people liked his movies, or thought he had 'grown' beyond such plebian fare. The fact that they even know these particular buttons are there, and just how to push them, is what gives me hope.
I went to a special screening of Phantom Menace, and didn't even bother to see Attack of the Clones until years later on cable. In fact, I could not even remember the damned thing's name just now, I had to look it up, that is how badly Phantom Menace disappointed me. And in spite of that, I still see these teasers, see how far they went with practical effects and live action backgrounds instead of CGI, and I really want to see this movie. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 17, 2015, 06:37:31 PM Some of you are broken. Let the temporary hope flow inside you and allow yourself to dream again. Call it shit around Christmas time when you're in the usual holiday spirit. Genx has always been broken. Cynicism and disaffection were the only way to be cool. whoops wrong quote. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 17, 2015, 07:25:16 PM Why the fuck would anything nice EVER happen? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRqQZizJY08)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on April 17, 2015, 08:23:23 PM I get the skeptics. 50% of the series has been sub-optimal /Obama. But goddamn these two trailers rocked. I'm 8 years old all over again.
And wondering about Star Destroyers crashing on planets? Really? Didn't you all see Independence Day? If you can solve interstellar* distances and artificial gravity, you've got the metamaterials to ignore reentry gravity crush-depth :wink: * Btw finally saw that. booorring. Like i was watching 2001 again. Also, complete waste of space on the O'neill cylinder, dedicating, what, 20% of the usuable space to a baseball diamond? Come on... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on April 18, 2015, 02:03:04 AM Those trailers doesn't show much of anything?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Azazel on April 18, 2015, 04:04:21 AM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: K9 on April 18, 2015, 04:34:29 AM (http://i.imgur.com/nReoypX.jpg)
He was also 3m tall (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Irek_Ismaren) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on April 18, 2015, 08:41:04 AM It's like they let Rob Liefield and Zak Snyder loose in the SW universe.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on April 18, 2015, 10:16:14 AM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rendakor on April 18, 2015, 10:37:30 AM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars. No, and you weren't the first time you asked this same question yesterday.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on April 18, 2015, 10:45:25 AM Those trailers doesn't show much of anything? They aren't even trailers, they're 'teasers', a collection of impressive visuals. Which are extremely impressive in this case. The only line of dialog is "Chewie, we're home."--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on April 18, 2015, 10:47:22 AM Not strictly true, there's the dubbed line from Luke as well.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on April 18, 2015, 10:51:13 AM I was taking it as narration rather than dialog, as there's no indication that it is an actual line spoken by Luke. But it's not a nit I'm going to argue over.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on April 18, 2015, 10:51:28 AM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars. Do we have to reconfigure the positron flow through the main dish deflector to escape the temporal loop? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ingmar on April 18, 2015, 11:27:11 AM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars. Do we have to reconfigure the positron flow through the main dish deflector to escape the temporal loop? I think in this IP we just shoot the control panel. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ragnoros on April 18, 2015, 12:36:26 PM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars. Do we have to reconfigure the positron flow through the main dish deflector to escape the temporal loop? I think in this IP we just shoot the control panel. (http://i.imgur.com/v06N8.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on April 18, 2015, 03:08:31 PM I was taking it as narration rather than dialog, as there's no indication that it is an actual line spoken by Luke. But it's not a nit I'm going to argue over. --Dave Yeah, that's why I added the strictly part. I agree with you. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 18, 2015, 07:04:36 PM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars. But yet you made me know that there's some shit-tier Major Laser cartoon and seemed to like it. So I'd say it's just that you have shit taste. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 18, 2015, 07:28:42 PM killing everthing on the planet. Something that large crashing into a planet should be an extinction event. It would be if it was solid, but they're mostly empty space inside. The ship should be in about a billion, flat pieces but there'd be little actual damage to the planet. Pretty much the same as that plane crash in the Alps just over a much larger area. Also: Stormtrooper with a flamethrower? Seriously? Clonetroopers and Stormtroopers have always had flamethrowers. They're super useful in a lot of situations, as long as you can keep the tank from getting shot. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on April 19, 2015, 02:56:00 AM All these theories assume the Star Destroyer was dropping as dead weight.
If it was merely damaged it may have had insufficient thrust to avoid crashing, but sufficient to reduce energy of impact. Also other entities such galactic tugboats or someone with a tractor beam may have been slowing it down. Or it might not have crashed, could have been brought down for salvage. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 19, 2015, 05:14:48 AM One of those scenarios is what the picture suggests. The way it's sitting suggests that little or none of the bottom of the ship is collapsed. Even a controlled crash should have crushed some of the bottom.
Of course we're probably putting a lot of thought into something that probably doesn't play any part in the movie except as a cool background for five seconds. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on April 20, 2015, 07:41:01 AM Am I the only one thats mostly unimpressed and uninterested with this new star wars. But yet you made me know that there's some shit-tier Major Laser cartoon and seemed to like it. So I'd say it's just that you have shit taste. I like the marketing pitch. The show was a waste of 9 minutes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on April 20, 2015, 07:58:15 AM Quick poll: Does this movie make more money than Avatar?
I'm thinking yes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on April 20, 2015, 08:34:09 AM Nominal or inflation adjusted?
Inflation adjusted marks to hit... Gone with the Wind : 3.4B Avatar : 3B Star Wars : 2.8B Titanic : 2.5B Avatar nominal was 2.7B. None of the prequels broke nominal 1B. Assuming critical response is more in line with neo-Trek than prequel-Wars I'd expect around 2B (matching Avengers after adjustment). But 3B might be a stretch. The thing all the films at the top of the list have in common is that they convinced people to go to multiple showings because they did something new. I don't see this getting that kind of attention. Probably the most obvious recent comparator is the first Hobbit, that only reached 1B on the back of LotR. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 20, 2015, 09:45:14 AM they did something new. I don't see this getting that kind of attention. It has a rolling-ball-droid, man! How much more innovation do you WANT? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on April 20, 2015, 09:47:32 AM Elbow sabres.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on April 20, 2015, 12:40:52 PM Quick poll: Does this movie make more money than Avatar? I'm thinking yes. Even with Star Wars, Abrams doesn't have half the box-office clout of Cameron. I expect Episode VII to do well, but not Avatar-well. If it's a better movie, that's gravy I guess. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on April 20, 2015, 02:00:57 PM Quick poll: Does this movie make more money than Avatar? I'm thinking yes. Even with Star Wars, Abrams doesn't have half the box-office clout of Cameron. I expect Episode VII to do well, but not Avatar-well. If it's a better movie, that's gravy I guess. One thing to keep in mind, this, like Avatar, is coming out in December. That means no summer blockbuster competition and it could coast along to 2 billion or so. I'd also say the anticipation for this is much, much higher than the Prequels. Even before the Phantom Menace was released a lot of people were like "Prequels? Meh, we already know what happens, we want more Han, Luke and Leah." This movie is giving that to them. Combine that with Rebels, video games, comics and novels and Disney is doing a fairly unified cross-platform push. I also think that most nerds are going "George Lucas is gone? Thank god!" On the other hand, there are two words that could sink it: Into Darkness. If sci-fi geeks haven't forgiven Abrams for that it could hurt it, especially at the beginning. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on April 20, 2015, 02:20:23 PM I don't think it is possible to overstate the amount of hype surrounding The Phantom Menace.
Personally, I don't remember anyone being 'meh' about it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on April 20, 2015, 02:29:39 PM I think the hype factor may do it especially if it's a good film like the first JJ Star Trek.
At a guess now I think you have a broader generational appeal with Star Wars than you did in 99. The people who loved the OT are now in their 40s and 50s (cough cough or late 30s) @ prime purchasing power. They probably got their kids into it, some who did like the prequels (god knows my 14 year old is only just coming to the realization that they sucked), kids who have also had the Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels and various computer games to introduce them to the world. The fact that it is a continuation of the OT may play into it as well. Thinking back I don't recall being all that excited about the prequels, we did know how the story was going to turn out. Now this is a true sequel to probably the most beloved film series of the last 50 years, with a whole bunch of the originals coming back plus you have the monolith (aka Disney) promoting it. Throw on top of that the growth of the international market in the last 10-15 years. This thing will make 2 billion easy. It will have the biggest domestic open of any film in history and will most likely top Avatar, if not Gone with the Wind if the film is actually good. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on April 20, 2015, 02:37:52 PM If you don't remember the hype around Phantom Menace you must not have ever passed by one of the theaters it premiered at. I still remember people camping out at the Coronet in SF (http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Waiting-for-Reel-Life-Fantasy-Fervent-fans-2931917.php).
I can't imagine that happening again (for one thing the Coronet's gone, and I can't picture people camping outside a multiplex), but if it does I plan to rent a Jar Jar mask for trolling purposes. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 20, 2015, 02:46:36 PM I don't think it is possible to overstate the amount of hype surrounding The Phantom Menace. Personally, I don't remember anyone being 'meh' about it. Nobody was. Lines for days. My senior Architectural Thesis class went as a group, rotating through the camp-out spot for 2 1/2 days on a schedule to buy our 67 tickets to opening night. We weren't first in line, either. We built a cardboard Star Destroyer that went on a classmate's VW Microbus as they drove down I-75 to opening night. It was the first mass-media bit of Star Wars content in over 15 years and we were hyped for it. The hate wasn't there initially, either. There was a lot of, "what's up with Jar-Jar" but none of the vitriol that's spewed these days. That all came much, much later. Fuck, even Episode 2 got hype and people quoting that ridiculous "Yoda Man" commercial. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on April 20, 2015, 02:48:04 PM I think people are seriously forgetting the hype for The Phantom Menace. Sure, as the prequels came out, the hype diminished as people generally realised they were poor to average fare at best, but the year up to the release of The Phantom Menace was utterly dominated by Star Wars. It's also worth remembering that even in 1999, the internet was a shadow of what it is now, so the hype-train and reactions to things are so much more immediate today; and if we're being honest the prequel trilogy would have really suffered if it came out now. The recent Hobbit movies are in a similar position; they're not bad, they're ok, they're an over-wrought CG filled set of prequels to a much more beloved Lord of the Rings trilogy, and the immediacy of the internet has definitely diminished the power of Jackson's box office (all three movies together don't add up to Avatar's gross).
Abrams has two things to overcome - people's attitude (in retrospect) to Lucas' own hatchet job on the series in both prequel trilogy and his unnecessary rejigs of the original trilogy - and the unholy mess that was Star Trek: Into Darkness, which was by no means a total flop but deserved to be. On the other hand, because of those, a lot of people's expectations have been severely lowered - the two teaser trailers to date have been a pleasant surprise for a lot of us. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on April 20, 2015, 03:07:54 PM The other thing Disney has to overcome is that in 2015 there are far more properties with the same kind of pull that star wars has. Not least Disney's Marvel serials.
The financial success of the Star Wars prequels reminded the studios that even mediocre (or bad) films can succeed as part of the right hype train. It contributed to how concepts like LotR, Harry Potter, Twilight, Hunger Games, and Marvel have been sold. A film as bad as Phantom Menace would not even take 1B today, because there is much more nerd bullshit available for us to choose from. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on April 20, 2015, 03:11:18 PM I stood in line for 6+ hours each to buy tickets and then to later get a seat for the midnight showing of Phantom Menace. The best part of that movie was getting swept up in the hype.
I think I saw it twice in theaters, the first time being carried by a loud, boisterous crowd that made me ignore most of it's problems. I only watched it about month again after seeing it that second time in theaters and realizing just how bad it might be. I honestly forgot how awful it really is. There's no way this movie hits Avatar numbers, but I am at least holding out hope that they will do a fun, entertaining movie. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 20, 2015, 03:41:13 PM Harrison Ford looks god damn disturbing. He's got that "one foot in the grave" look that not even Christopher Lee has. He looked as bad as Nimoy did. I don't want to see a bunch of desicated husks running around trying to be action heroes.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on April 20, 2015, 04:03:21 PM You didn't watch Crystal Skull ?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on April 20, 2015, 04:09:19 PM "As a physician, you of all people should know the dangers of...reopening old wounds."
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on April 21, 2015, 07:47:38 AM Harrison Ford looks god damn disturbing. He's got that "one foot in the grave" look that not even Christopher Lee has. He looked as bad as Nimoy did. I don't want to see a bunch of desicated husks running around trying to be action heroes. This is part of why I suspect the original trilogy characters will mainly be in supporting roles. I was a bit butthurt at the thought at first but really, all you need is to think back to the Crystal Skull to see why it's a good idea. That movie came out seven years ago and Harrison Ford liked tired and old in it. Oddly, in that single shot in the 2nd teaser he looked more alive than he did in the entire Crystal Skull movie. My guess is this movie will be essentially the OT characters passing the baton to the three new actors and while I love those characters I think once you're in your 60s and 70s it's time to let the kids have a shot at things. I would love Luke to stick around as some kind of mentor figure but other other than that I think it's time to let the newbies have a shot. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 21, 2015, 08:32:11 AM I don't see why anyone would think that the OT guys will be anything but supporting characters. Likely some will even be killed off in this or the next movie for a deep emotional response without sacrificing any of your hot new talent.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 21, 2015, 08:35:13 AM Luke & Leia are in the perfect roles to continue forward. Luke as a member of the new Jedi Council, who manage and Leia continuing as Senator/ Chancellor/ whatever of the New Republic. Han is out of his element and too old to do much beyond tell war stories and make witty remarks. If anyone dies in this one it's him.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on April 21, 2015, 09:48:35 AM I could see Luke being the new Obiwan in a way. I doubt he'll have Alec Guinness's stature, but I could see being a mentor in that respect which would also give the movie a deeper thread for us older people. I like when movies throw us old people a bone by referencing the little things in the previous movies.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 21, 2015, 11:07:57 AM My vague guess based on nothing but the teasers....Luke tried to teach his son the force, son goes bad and becomes Kylo Ren, Leia's daughter is off on Jakoo scavenging shit and ends up becoming the Jedi apprentice to stop Ren. Someone will make a heel turn at the end and be the bad guy for the next two movies.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: tazelbain on April 21, 2015, 11:32:48 AM I hope it's Sith Lord Leia from an alternate past.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on April 21, 2015, 11:40:04 AM I'm going with Luke has no kids and Han and leia have twins and one is evil and isn't and they have to fight.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on April 21, 2015, 12:22:17 PM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on April 21, 2015, 06:11:11 PM Since Ford has been pretty clear he wouldn't even consider being in it if that didn't happen, I think we can count on it. Don't think it even rates a spoiler.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on April 21, 2015, 08:38:26 PM He and Chewie will selflessly drive the Falcon into something to let new kids escape something.
Luke will be killed by new young bad guy, while trying to help him remove some curse or debt inflicted by Vader. Emperor will be back somehow. Leia will retire and come back in other films like Spock for continuity. R2 and 3PO will go live with Leia. And that's it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on April 21, 2015, 08:43:59 PM Finkle really isn't Einhorn.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: CmdrSlack on April 21, 2015, 10:06:33 PM I predict Mews and Smith show up as Chronic and Bluntman.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on April 21, 2015, 11:28:39 PM I could live with crusty old General Solo, but I doubt that is what we are getting so it is probably better all around if they kill him off. They will also keep old Leia in the background for most of the movie as well, but they have cast her daughter for a part in the movie so there may be some young Leia in here via flashbacks or something. Leia has no use beyond some small sentimental value, and I doubt she still can pull off the gold bikini :shudder:
Luke, on the other hand...depends. I doubt they have the guts to do it, but Luke could be the one who takes a heel turn, and Mark Hamill is sure as hell capable of pulling off nasty old Darth Luke. In fact, that would be amazing. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on April 22, 2015, 08:57:34 AM Making Luke Skywalker the bad guy would take HUGE balls, and would be awesome if done right, because Hamill does evil-crazy REALLY FUCKING WELL.
Whether Disney has the balls to do it is another story. Of course, if we're talking about a new trilogy, there's 3 movies worth of time for evil being redeemed by the Force. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: tazelbain on April 22, 2015, 09:14:14 AM Luke doesn't need to be a villain to be the antagonist. "Bringing balance to the force" is bound to piss off a lot of people on both sides.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on April 22, 2015, 09:14:54 AM I was under the impression this was the MASSIVE SPOILER posted months ago ? That Luke basically turned into Vader in the new movies, a la the comics ?
No ? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on April 22, 2015, 08:52:09 PM Luke as bad guy is not very Disney.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on April 22, 2015, 11:09:42 PM Probably not, but it makes sense in a lot of ways. It continues the same theme of the OT, it fits with the whole "balance" thing, and also simply because Hamill would kill it.
I was under the impression this was the MASSIVE SPOILER posted months ago ? That Luke basically turned into Vader in the new movies, a la the comics ? No ? As quickly as that one fizzled, I don't think that particle spoiler had legs. Doesn't mean it ain't true, might just be that the source was not reliable. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: SurfD on April 22, 2015, 11:10:10 PM Luke doesn't need to be a villain to be the antagonist. "Bringing balance to the force" is bound to piss off a lot of people on both sides. Except that bringing balance to the force was supposed to be Vader's job. And he did a pretty good job of that by basicly hunting down and killing off 99% of the jedi order. Attempting to pass that off to luke would seem a bit hamfisted.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on April 23, 2015, 03:10:13 AM It would be more in line with the previous trilogies to have Luke as the aging jedi mentor who dies at the end of the first film. Shortly after someone loses an arm and someone else says "I have a bad feeling about this." And his last line in the film? "The Force will be with you. Always."
Because that's how JJ Abrams rolls baby! :drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on April 23, 2015, 04:12:02 AM Luke doesn't need to be a villain to be the antagonist. "Bringing balance to the force" is bound to piss off a lot of people on both sides. Except that bringing balance to the force was supposed to be Vader's job. And he did a pretty good job of that by basicly hunting down and killing off 99% of the jedi order. Attempting to pass that off to luke would seem a bit hamfisted.Right, but then he went too far in the other direction, and there was still no balance. The Dark Side took over everything. Maybe Luke is the chosen one. Hard to say, the pendelum has a way of always tilting too far in one direction or the other. Maybe the black stormtrooper kid will restore balance. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 05:24:10 AM The bad guy in this movie will either Luke or whoever his or his sister's son is. Reason being that they would be the only white males left in the entire fucking universe besides Han Solo. Seriously, two trailers in and not a single white male shown except Han. The Rebels must have set up genocide camps after Endor because the galaxy went from Whitey White Whiteville, the whitest place ever to NO white people in the span of one generation.
Yeah, I know. 'Muh ciscaucasiopatriarchy!'. I don't really care about it other than I thought it was a funny but hamfisted change after the IP ownership change. I also just wanted to have this in writing so when it turns out I'm right based on nothing more than the concept of 'white male punching bag syndrome' I can mock all of you who are about to talk shit about me and this post. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: disKret on April 23, 2015, 05:39:46 AM Hm? There was like 3 white guys and one black in whole trailer.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on April 23, 2015, 05:54:49 AM The bad guy in this movie will either Luke or whoever his or his sister's son is. Reason being that they would be the only white males left in the entire fucking universe besides Han Solo. Seriously, two trailers in and not a single white male shown except Han. The Rebels must have set up genocide camps after Endor because the galaxy went from Whitey White Whiteville, the whitest place ever to NO white people in the span of one generation. (http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/no-words-homer-into-brush.gif)Yeah, I know. 'Muh ciscaucasiopatriarchy!'. I don't really care about it other than I thought it was a funny but hamfisted change after the IP ownership change. I also just wanted to have this in writing so when it turns out I'm right based on nothing more than the concept of 'white male punching bag syndrome' I can mock all of you who are about to talk shit about me and this post. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 06:25:18 AM Hm? There was like 3 white guys and one black in whole trailer. Nope. Hispanic guy and an Arab. Not even white people in the background. Han Solo is the only caucasian male in either trailer. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on April 23, 2015, 06:26:41 AM Why aren't you banned from this site yet?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 06:31:59 AM Why aren't you banned from this site yet? For what? Posting unpopular but provably true things? You're a much better candidate for banning since you just seem to post tumblr grade social outrage crap and then disappear into the woodwork when called on it. You add nothing but worthless noise to sort through and ignore. Literally. Go be sad about the objective reality of existence in a corner or whatever. Edit: One of the X-Wing pilots looks to be a white guy too. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Paelos on April 23, 2015, 06:52:24 AM Pretty sure the human white male purity thing was an Empire thing, it would stand to reason the Rebels would be the grab-bag of the rest of the galaxy.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on April 23, 2015, 07:04:38 AM I seriously doubt the casting calls for this film had something like "No white males need apply."
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on April 23, 2015, 07:07:47 AM Hmmm. I guess I'm thinking of some other site where you weren't supposed to bring ranty loony-tunes bullshit from the Politics forum into the rest of the discussions.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 07:24:42 AM Hmmm. I guess I'm thinking of some other site where you weren't supposed to bring ranty loony-tunes bullshit from the Politics forum into the rest of the discussions. So how is it 'ranty loony-tunes bullshit' if it's a direct observation of material and directly related what is being discussed? I'm pretty sure the white male bad guy thing is common enough to be on tropes. If it is you should have to apologize to me. There's also ZERO asian people in despite being 1/3 or more of our species by themselves. I myself am personally butthurt that there are no half Asian, half Welsh Jews in anything, ever. Who am I supposed to look up to? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rasix on April 23, 2015, 08:20:43 AM (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/stopstop.gif)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 08:55:57 AM (http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/226616-2/Baby-elephant-charges.gif?) (http://forgifs.com)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on April 23, 2015, 08:57:22 AM What the fuck just happened? :|
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on April 23, 2015, 08:59:34 AM What the fuck just happened? :| The dark side of the force I think. Emphasis on dark? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on April 23, 2015, 09:21:44 AM Moving on...
My earlier speculation was based on a few things outside of the characters. 1) Hamill loves acting and has always enjoyed his role in Star Wars. He'd gladly continue on as Luke in future movies. Would be pointless to make him the bad guy and kill him off early. 2) Ford is the opposite and despite it launching his career has always hated the role since he became a "Serious" actor. He's gotten legit pissed when asked about playing Han Solo before. Hell, he wanted Han dead after Empire, never to return in Jedi. I see no reason other than a big fat paycheck that he came back to do this one. The series would be better off letting him die and move on. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on April 23, 2015, 09:46:07 AM I always figured Ford only returned as Han Solo BECAUSE they were going to kill him off, likely in a very painful way. He absolutely despises that fucking character.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on April 23, 2015, 09:53:50 AM Moving on... My earlier speculation was based on a few things outside of the characters. 1) Hamill loves acting and has always enjoyed his role in Star Wars. He'd gladly continue on as Luke in future movies. Would be pointless to make him the bad guy and kill him off early. 2) Ford is the opposite and despite it launching his career has always hated the role since he became a "Serious" actor. He's gotten legit pissed when asked about playing Han Solo before. Hell, he wanted Han dead after Empire, never to return in Jedi. I see no reason other than a big fat paycheck that he came back to do this one. The series would be better off letting him die and move on. No reason they can't kill Luke off in the first movie. He'll just return like Obiwan did - though the force. But I doubt that will happen. At least not in this movie, and especially if Luke slides to the dark side. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 11:14:16 AM He absolutely despises that fucking character. Of course he would. Why wouldn't he? I hate that part too. It's part that made him rich and a household name as well as the one part that he showed any sort of personality beyond a block of very sedated wood. He's a fucking hack who would have died a carpenter if it hadn't been for blowing Lucas while he was doing work on his kitchen. You know who doesn't hate the part that gave them their break? People who aren't hacks. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Paelos on April 23, 2015, 11:19:11 AM If they can somehow work in a, "GET OFF MY STARSHIP!" line into the movie, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on April 23, 2015, 12:36:28 PM Reading between the lines of interviews he's done, you can tell that he thought Lucas had promised him Han would die in RotJ, that was the only reason he came back for it at all, then Lucas screwed him (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/):
Quote “We had an outline and George changed everything in it,” Kurtz said. “Instead of bittersweet and poignant he wanted a euphoric ending with everybody happy. The original idea was that they would recover [the kidnapped] Han Solo in the early part of the story and that he would then die in the middle part of the film in a raid on an Imperial base. George then decided he didn’t want any of the principals killed. By that time there were really big toy sales and that was a reason.” Pretty sure he got it in the contract this time. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on April 23, 2015, 02:58:15 PM I love the toy sales arguments... because, you know, they never made any more Obi Wan figures at all.
:why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on April 23, 2015, 04:13:37 PM Yeah, and Boba Fett dying really killed his toy sales too.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 23, 2015, 04:58:40 PM Lucas is not known for his foresight.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 23, 2015, 07:24:03 PM If there's one company that knows how to utilize it's IP as much as they can without killing it, it's Disney. Disney buying this property was the best thing that could have happened to it. They need to get the lead out and license some X-Wing games. I'm pretty pissed they shitcanned that World of Tanks / War Thunder style starfighter mmo game though.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on May 04, 2015, 02:02:45 PM Some Vanity Fair photos. (http://imgur.com/a/8x8Dn)
I don't know if they'd already said so before but looks like the remnants of the Empire are called the First Order. Edit: gallery was taken down Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: rattran on May 04, 2015, 06:37:30 PM Borked link.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on May 04, 2015, 07:34:08 PM This should work.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/star-wars-force-awakens-photos Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on May 05, 2015, 05:27:22 PM i fixed up some of these promos
(http://i.imgur.com/aFdvXSZ.png) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on July 10, 2015, 08:50:39 PM Comic-con reel here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=206&v=CTNJ51ghzdY)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on July 10, 2015, 09:16:14 PM Nice enough video. Very clear that they are trying their best to say at every opportunity "we aren't making this the way they made the prequels."
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on July 11, 2015, 02:34:38 AM Very nice indeed.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mattemeo on July 11, 2015, 02:36:59 AM That SDCC reel was better than any trailer could be. I love behind-the-scenes footage so much. I'm as into what happens before it gets to the screen as I am when it's on. The craft (and graft) of practical effects lights all my fires.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on July 11, 2015, 04:28:53 AM Won't lie, got chills just as much over this as I did the teaser trailer before.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on July 11, 2015, 10:34:15 AM Won't lie, got chills just as much over this as I did the teaser trailer before. My chillfactor was way higher for that comic-con reel than for any movie-teaser in recent memory. Maybe the misty mountains song Hobbit teaser was close. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on July 11, 2015, 09:27:11 PM Ahh. So good.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on July 12, 2015, 07:50:32 AM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Pennilenko on July 12, 2015, 09:55:57 AM As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. Essentially, this would be miles better than 1 through 3.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on July 12, 2015, 03:17:37 PM OTOH if it is Star Wars: The-one-before-into-darkness, that will be fine with me.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on July 12, 2015, 09:30:08 PM I'll take either over the prequels.
And I kind of liked the prequels. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 12, 2015, 09:36:10 PM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good. I don't think it will be for two reasons: 1) Damon Lindledof isn't associated with this in any way. 2) Disney seems to know how to handle this shit. See MCU. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on July 13, 2015, 04:29:27 AM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good. I don't think it will be for two reasons: 1) Damon Lindledof isn't associated with this in any way. 2) Disney seems to know how to handle this shit. See MCU. Ayup. It won't be as good as the first three, but better than the prequels. I am looking forward to all the SW movies Disney cares to put out. And I'm sure there will be a lot of them. Just never could get into any of the animated series, the movies are canon to me. I just hope the fan service isn't too strong, that kind of stuff used to delight me, now it's a bit too much winking into the camera. Just tell good SW stories with great actions. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on July 13, 2015, 06:40:45 AM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good. I don't think it will be for two reasons: 1) Damon Lindledof isn't associated with this in any way. 2) Disney seems to know how to handle this shit. See MCU. No Lindlehof is unqualified good news. But I remain nervous that only JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasden seem to have writing credits. Kasden's record is mixed and he was brought in late after Michael Arndt left the project. I remain convinced that the writing credit is the single best advance indicator of the quality of any given film. This one says Abrams with a few Kasden edits. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 13, 2015, 06:52:16 AM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good. I don't think it will be for two reasons: 1) Damon Lindledof isn't associated with this in any way. 2) Disney seems to know how to handle this shit. See MCU. No Lindlehof is unqualified good news. But I remain nervous that only JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasden seem to have writing credits. Kasden's record is mixed and he was brought in late after Michael Arndt left the project. I remain convinced that the writing credit is the single best advance indicator of the quality of any given film. This one says Abrams with a few Kasden edits. Kasdan may have a mixed writing record but he also wrote the Empire Strikes Back and at that time he was having to fight George Lucas. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on July 13, 2015, 07:50:23 AM What's mixed about Kasdan's scripts? Generally good writing, good plotting, fun dialogue with an appropriate amount of genre-cheese to it. Dreamcatcher kind of sucked but I think that was probably Stephen King's meddling.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on July 13, 2015, 08:49:56 AM I don't enjoy Kasdan's Romantic Comedies generally, As Good as it Gets being the sole exception there. However, reviewing his action stuff I enjoyed it all, even that terrible Wyatt Earp movie with Kostner had good action setup and plot.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on July 13, 2015, 11:50:42 AM Yeah, though the other Wyatt Earp film is much more fun and full of cheese. (I strongly suspect Costner himself was a big drag on everything after Dances With Wolves--droopy masculine pretention shot through everything he did for the next five years, until Tin Cup.)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on July 13, 2015, 01:57:46 PM Kasdan wrote my favorite western; Silverado. He also wrote, I think, The Big Chill which was a bit of a baby boomer wank fest. Waa we're becoming middle aged, quick more self involvement!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on July 13, 2015, 03:32:24 PM I don't enjoy Kasdan's Romantic Comedies generally, As Good as it Gets being the sole exception there. However, reviewing his action stuff I enjoyed it all, even that terrible Wyatt Earp movie with Kostner had good action setup and plot. As Good as it Gets is a really good film, but it was written by Mark Andrus. Kasdan's credits: 2012 Darling Companion (written by) 2003 Dreamcatcher (screenplay) 1999 Mumford (written by) 1996 Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire (Video Game) (story) 1994 Wyatt Earp (written by) 1992 The Bodyguard (written by) 1991 Grand Canyon (written by) 1989 Raiders of the Lost Ark: The Adaptation (Video) 1988 The Accidental Tourist (screenplay) 1985 Silverado (written by) 1983 The Big Chill (written by) 1983 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (screenplay) 1981 Body Heat (written by) 1981 Continental Divide (written by) 1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark (screenplay) 1980 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (screenplay) There is some pretty great stuff, but it tails off dramatically after 1985. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on July 13, 2015, 03:41:18 PM Also, he is 66 and has written one movie in the last decade.
My guess he has a nice life on Raiders and Star Wars royalties at this point, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if his role on episode 7 is more as a consultant to Abrams' writing. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on July 13, 2015, 04:34:05 PM I don't enjoy Kasdan's Romantic Comedies generally, As Good as it Gets being the sole exception there. However, reviewing his action stuff I enjoyed it all, even that terrible Wyatt Earp movie with Kostner had good action setup and plot. As Good as it Gets is a really good film, but it was written by Mark Andrus. Huh. I was going off the listing on Google so I wonder what his role there was. Should have gone with IMDB! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on August 16, 2015, 09:38:24 AM Disney's version of Blizz/ Comic con going on this weekend so lots of new info has been coming around. The first poster made an appearance but it's only a D23 'commemorative'
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/15/d23-2015-new-star-wars-the-force-awakens-poster-revealed It shows Finn (the black guy in Stormtrooper armor) wielding a Lightsaber, so we appear to have our new Luke. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Threash on August 16, 2015, 09:42:25 AM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good. I want Star Wars, if i wanted new and original i would go watch something new and original not something from the 70s. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on August 16, 2015, 10:11:47 AM They're still focusing on mining nostalgia for the original trilogy rather than giving us any indication what they might be doing that's new and original beyond having a round droid. As such I am still suspicious that this will basically be Star Wars: Into Darkness. But at least the actual craft looks good. I want Star Wars, if i wanted new and original i would go watch something new and original not something from the 70s. Each of the original Star Wars movies introduced some sort of memorable thing that hadn't been seen before -- new characters, new ideas, new parts of the universe, even just new memorable pieces of dialogue. Jedi was the worst of the three, and it was still the one that introduced Jabba and the Emperor, two extremely enduring characters. That's what I mean by "new and original". The prequels generally failed at that; the best part of the prequels was pretty much seeing the same old characters again, or at least hollow imitations of them. The "new" stuff in the prequels was generally garbage. The Star Trek reboots were better but still mostly just stuck to recycling old shit -- oh look, it's Nimoy back as old Spock. Oh look, it's KHAAAAAAAN. Oh look, it's Kirk with a green girl. Etc. So my question for episode 7 is whether it's going to be at least as good a sequel to Jedi as Jedi was to Empire. Which is a very fucking low bar to clear. The trailers so far are basically 70% recycled shit, rather than teasing the exciting new stuff I should be looking forward to. This makes me suspicious that they don't have any exciting new stuff. But I could be wrong! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on August 16, 2015, 10:12:16 AM That poster looks like it's really setting up Rey for the heel turn or possibly grey jedi.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on August 17, 2015, 04:12:59 AM Han looks like he's woken up in the middle of the night and is about to yell at the kids to get off his fucking lawn.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hawkbit on August 17, 2015, 06:23:07 AM Star Wars: Gran Tourino
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Mac on August 17, 2015, 09:07:52 AM Star Wars: Gran Tourino If the ending is the same, this would be the better title. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on August 17, 2015, 07:31:28 PM Finn needs to not hold that lightsaber like it's a fucking baseball bat.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on August 17, 2015, 07:41:02 PM Posting the image so I don't have to keep going back a page, then opening another tab:
What the hell is the girl holding? It appears to have a shoulder-strap like it's supposed to be a gun, but it's taller than she is? --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on August 17, 2015, 08:01:31 PM I'm thinking it's like a space quarterstaff or something of that sort.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on August 17, 2015, 08:28:06 PM (http://www.infinity-starwars.estranky.cz/img/picture/72/bodyguard-droid.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: CmdrSlack on August 18, 2015, 05:05:22 PM Vibrostaff. I see what you did there.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on August 19, 2015, 03:25:22 AM Poster is ok, but Ford looks like he was photoshopped into it during a Something Awful contest as a joke. He looks really out of place on there for some reason.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on August 19, 2015, 09:51:21 AM I think that reason is 50 decades worth of age.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on August 19, 2015, 10:13:33 AM I think that reason is 50 decades I think you have yourself a 'can't miss' book title there. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on August 19, 2015, 11:49:03 AM She looks mightly pissed off. Easy, girl!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MournelitheCalix on August 25, 2015, 08:53:06 PM Vibrostaff. I see what you did there. Looks like some sort of light-saber staff-blade to me. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on August 25, 2015, 10:12:58 PM It's obviously a Force Pike and does Str+2D damage.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on August 26, 2015, 07:22:13 AM I'm pretty sure it uses a lot of D batteries.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on August 26, 2015, 03:10:32 PM My first thought on the staff was this:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85841906/tumblr_m2wkp897rY1rprxkro1_500.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on August 26, 2015, 04:50:56 PM I thought it was a Tusken rifle, not a staff.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on August 26, 2015, 07:32:40 PM So said the Tusken women.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on August 27, 2015, 01:56:43 AM I thought it was a Tusken rifle, not a staff. It is a staff but what's interesting is that the design of the ends is very similar to the design of Darth Maul's lightsaber. I don't think that's meant to indicate that it is a lightstaff or whatever. (http://i.imgur.com/KEOnKuI.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on August 27, 2015, 02:01:00 AM And while we're at it, just because:
(http://i.imgur.com/j049VHy.jpg) :drillf: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on August 27, 2015, 10:51:26 AM New teaser, with a significant spoiler for those that missed the Struzan poster from D23.
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/08/27/new-force-awakens-video-reveals-who-kylo-ren-fights-in-the-snow Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on August 27, 2015, 07:43:39 PM In honor of the fanrage that Finn may be Jedi:
Quote It is clear now. Obviously Finn (played by Boyega), being the illegitimate smuggler son of Solo and estranged nubian wife Sana, STOLE the lightsaber and brainwashed Rey (Daisy Ridley) with his manly, dangerous space-thuggish ways. This sets off an emperial galactic police chase, blasters blazing... wherein Finn of course dies in a hail of blasterfire when the stormtroopers mistaken his holopad's powercell for the hilt of the saber and a glint of Tatooine sunlight for it being extended. "Commander. We were just protecting ourselves from this obviously dangerous, armed Jedi." Meanwhile, at the super-star-destroyer watercooler: "Yah, we all knew there's no way that dark one could be a Jedi. Ahahahah! Stupid liberebel scum." Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on August 27, 2015, 08:00:06 PM Really? There's fanrage over that? I've been avoiding forums/ sites for months because I don't want shit spoiled. Finding out Finn was from the D23 poster was big enough for me to just stop looking.
Man, fuck those guys if they're really raging over it. Oh noes, our main Jedi isn't white. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on August 27, 2015, 08:16:21 PM Can we stop a second to talk about just how hot Daisy Ridley is?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on August 27, 2015, 08:17:51 PM Nerds complain about everything and anything.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on August 27, 2015, 10:26:34 PM Can we stop a second to talk about just how hot Daisy Ridley is? So it's not just me then. I have been wondering forever why nobody has said anything. I thinking she is blazing hot, and the dirty Tatooine outfit isn't hurting things. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on August 28, 2015, 01:20:21 AM Ummm... :headscratch:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on August 28, 2015, 01:23:01 AM Really? There's fanrage over that? I've been avoiding forums/ sites for months because I don't want shit spoiled. Finding out Finn was from the D23 poster was big enough for me to just stop looking. His name's not really Finn, it's John Harrison. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on August 28, 2015, 03:40:51 AM Can we stop a second to talk about just how hot Daisy Ridley is? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on August 28, 2015, 04:13:34 AM Really? There's fanrage over that? I've been avoiding forums/ sites for months because I don't want shit spoiled. Finding out Finn was from the D23 poster was big enough for me to just stop looking. Man, fuck those guys if they're really raging over it. Oh noes, our main Jedi isn't white. :oh_i_see: Dunno about fanrage, but more tongue-in-cheek commentary about police shooting black men and then shrugging it off. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on August 28, 2015, 09:39:15 AM What irritation I've seen has been about the "spoiler" that Main Character becomes a jedi after at some point being at least dressed as a stormtrooper and in all probability helping Serious Female Supporting Character escape from a thing. In a Star Wars film. By JJ Abrams.
Which if you think about it for more than 30 seconds, is possibly even more daft than complaining that he is black. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on August 28, 2015, 09:44:54 AM Nerds complain about everything and anything. As evidenced ad nauseum here at f13!I think it's quite possible that as a resourceful smuggler type he may don a stormtrooper outfit and also pick up a laser sword if he finds himself without a blaster facing some robed poof with a laser sword in the woods. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on August 28, 2015, 09:51:50 AM It's possible. But I'm not laying odds against the simpler and entirely ok by me explanation that there is a trainee jedi in this movie.
And if I were marketing this movie, I'd want to manage fans expectations on the issue of whether, like in every other part of the canon, Main Character is a jedi. Otherwise half the audience will just bitch about it later. For further clarity on why this is being spoiled, imagine if WUA was srill posting here. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Typhon on August 28, 2015, 09:55:44 AM Nerds complain about everything and anything. As evidenced ad nauseum here at f13![snip] The shadow of the gun and strap bothers me more than it should. Is that wry self-deprecation? I think it is! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on August 28, 2015, 11:13:16 AM Nay, 'twas but an artistic critique. Quite another thing, entirely.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on September 23, 2015, 03:25:01 PM In "fuck please God no" rumour news;
http://www.therealstanlee.com/hayden-christensen-may-be-reprising-his-iconic-role-in-star-wars-episode-viii Quote While Star Wars fans are sweating the arrival of the highly anticipated film Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, the second movie in the new trilogy is already beginning to take shape. While next to nothing is actually known about the eighth episode a very interesting bit of information has surfaced which could mean the return of an icon. Rumors about the appearance of Darth Vader in Gareth Edwards' Star Wars: Rouge One have been circulating for quite some time, but now there's some even bigger news. Hayden Christensen might just be returning to reprise his role as the Sith lord in the yet unnamed Star Wars: Episode VIII. Although not all fans and critics were entirely taken by Christensen's performance in the arguably infamous Star Wars prequels, it's hard to imagine anyone else taking up the helm as Anakin Skywalker, especially considering how much of the original cast will be returning to set. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Bunk on September 23, 2015, 03:26:53 PM Stick him in the Vader suit and have Jones do the voice over.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on September 23, 2015, 03:34:42 PM they could, but if they get him they will having him running about Dark Helmet style.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on September 23, 2015, 04:42:44 PM Just do the same as they did in the original. Get a bodybuilder who can emote. Lord knows Christensen's Vader was too goddamn short and scrawny.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on September 23, 2015, 04:55:54 PM I can think of half a dozen of the 501st Legion Vaders that could do the body acting for Vader better than Christensen. But fuck it, it's probably about 30 seconds worth of ghost/hologram Vader, anyway.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on September 24, 2015, 02:01:05 AM Quote Although not all fans and critics were entirely taken by Christensen's performance in the arguably infamous Star Wars prequels, it's hard to imagine anyone else taking up the helm as Anakin Skywalker, especially considering how much of the original cast will be returning to set. Everything about this sentence is ridiculous. "I can't imagine Vader not being played by that guy who did such a bad job in the prequels that his performance instantly became the butt of jokes and memes!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on September 24, 2015, 03:45:15 AM Not that I feel particularly like defending the guy, but I always thought most of the things I disliked about Hayden in those movies was due to the ham-fisted screenplay and direction by George. As witnessed also in cringe-worthy performances by Natalie Portman, Samuel Jackson, Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor, Christopher Lee and countless other perfectly talented people. Some of them occasionally rose above the content they were portraying, but most of it was pretty bad.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on September 24, 2015, 04:20:00 AM Yeah, pretty much.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on September 24, 2015, 04:21:45 AM Which is to say, give him a shot. Maybe he can....redeem...himself. Haha I slay me.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on September 24, 2015, 04:45:54 AM My problem with him wasn't the acting, for the reason you mention. (Although follow-up performances haven't been much better) My objection is entirely around size and emote ability. Prowse was a good 6" taller than Sir Alec at 6'-5" to 5'-10" Christensen is maybe 2-3" taller than Guinness at a listed 6'-0"
Vader is all about the gesticulation and James Earl Jones' voice. Go back and watch how very Hammy most of the iconic Vader scenes are. They work because he's a big ass man in an all black suit flailing about with his hands like it's an Italian stage production. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on September 24, 2015, 05:41:43 AM Well, for them to even bring him back, I think it implies no gesticulating and posturing in a black suit and helmet. They can get any schlub for that. Maybe it is just blue glowy that we would see. Or maybe it is all bullshit and who cares.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on September 24, 2015, 05:44:58 AM Likely it's for a short scene without the mask on to show him as a younger Anakin in the suit. That way you can contrast it with ep6 where he is much much older.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2015, 06:45:56 AM Go back and watch how very Hammy most of the iconic Vader scenes are. OK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lScCvnkEQ Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on September 24, 2015, 06:56:24 AM I don't think there's an actor in all of Hollywood who could have made Anakin's shitty lines work. The acting wasn't great, but I see most of the prequels problems stemming from the writing.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Bunk on September 24, 2015, 07:08:08 AM For fun, a random sampling of quotes from IMDB. Try to come up with how you would deliver these lines without sounding like a robot:
Anakin: We will find out who's trying to kill you, Padmé. I promise you. Obi-Wan: Where are you going? He went that way! Anakin: Master, if we keep this chase going any longer that creep is gonna end up deep fried. And personally, I'd very much like to find out who he is, and who he's working for. This is a short cut... I think. Obi-Wan: Well, you've lost him! Anakin: She went into the club, master. Obi-Wan: Patience. Use the force. Think. Anakin: Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is essential to a Jedi's life. So you might say, that we are encouraged to love. Anakin: It doesn't have to be that way. We could keep it a secret. Padme: We'd be living a lie. One we couldn't keep, even if we wanted to. I couldn't do that. Could you, Anakin? Could you live like that? Padme: I do not like this idea of hiding. Anakin: Sometimes we must do what is requested of us. Anakin: I've heard this lesson before. Obi-Wan: You haven't learned anything, Anakin. Anakin: Someday I will be the most powerful Jedi ever. Anakin: Excuse me, I'm in charge of security here, milady. It's endless: Anakin: Don't be afraid. Padme: I'm not afraid to die. I've been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life. Anakin: What are you talking about? Padme: I love you. Anakin: You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives. Padme: I think our lives are about to be destroyed anyway. I truly... deeply... love you and before we die I want you to know. And of course, George's ultimate writing masterpiece: Padme: We used to come here for school retreat. We would swim to that island every day. I love the water. We used to lie out on the sand and let the sun dry us and try to guess the names of the birds singing. Anakin: I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2015, 07:12:08 AM Read Anakin's lines with Rodney Dangerfield's voice.
"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth." (http://goingconcern.com/sites/default/files/styles/standard/public/post/Rodney%20Dangerfield.jpg?itok=nQbrkGIf) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2015, 07:14:53 AM After the big fight:
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr4goexwqx1qewhjpo1_400.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on September 24, 2015, 09:25:02 AM Nothing wrong with HC's acting. Lucas is obsessed with old serials and he writes and directs as such. Look at the titles; The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, etc. they are deliberately cheesy in homage to the old Buck Rogers stuff.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on September 24, 2015, 09:30:03 AM Nothing wrong with HC's acting.... Except that I've seen his non-SW roles and he is no good in most of them as well...Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on September 24, 2015, 09:41:25 AM I'm not sure why we can't entertain the possibility that Lucas's dialog sucked giant bowls of monkey dick and that Hayden Christensen is a really bad actor. Nothing I've seen contradicts both conditions being 100% true.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on September 24, 2015, 09:43:38 AM Go back and watch how very Hammy most of the iconic Vader scenes are. OK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lScCvnkEQ Exactly! I love that clip. Nothing wrong with HC's acting.... Except that I've seen his non-SW roles and he is no good in most of them as well...Yup. Lucas was a terrible director, but HC is no great shakes at acting. He's been just as wooden in everything I've seen him in. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0159789/ For fun, a random sampling of quotes from IMDB. Try to come up with how you would deliver these lines without sounding like a robot: Ford pulled it off and his lines were equally dumb for Leia/ Han. He just was better at it and Lucas didn't have this unassailable aura at the time. Quote Han Solo: Hey, Your Worship, I'm only trying to help. That's Jackie Collins level dialogue written for 12 year old boys. You just think it's good because of nostalgia, it's not. The ACTING made it good. Princess Leia: Would you please stop calling me that? Han Solo: Sure, Leia. Princess Leia: You make it so difficult sometimes. Han Solo: I do, I really do. You could be a little nicer, though. Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all right. Princess Leia: Occasionally, maybe... when you aren't acting like a scoundrel. Han Solo: Scoundrel? Scoundrel? I like the sound of that. [Han starts to massage Leia's hand] Princess Leia: Stop that. Han Solo: Stop what? Princess Leia: [timidly] Stop that. My hands are dirty. Han Solo: My hands are dirty, too. What are you afraid of? Princess Leia: Afraid? Han Solo: You're trembling. Princess Leia: I'm not trembling. [Han moves in closer] Han Solo: You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life. Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men. Han Solo: I'm nice men. Princess Leia: No, you're not. You're... [they kiss] I'm not sure why we can't entertain the possibility that Lucas's dialog sucked giant bowls of monkey dick and that Hayden Christensen is a really bad actor. Nothing I've seen contradicts both conditions being 100% true. Yes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2015, 09:54:10 AM Is that from the script or from a slash fiction? I'm not sure.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on September 24, 2015, 10:37:23 AM That's the script. I remember those lines well. And yes, those lines weren't great writing - Ford and Fisher just were able to act and they had onscreen chemistry. Honestly, I think most "romantic" lines like that are really terrible whether they are on the written page, onscreen or in person by people who actually mean them. The difference is that in 2 of those 3 interactions, we have human beings emitting emotions with body language and inflection, and in the 3rd we have one egotist writing what he thinks people should be saying and trying to describe how they would say it (which a writer can't do if all he can write on the page is dialog).
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 10, 2015, 06:28:00 PM I found this lolworthy... seems like Michael B. Jordan is being rumored to be the new Boba Fett. I wonder how much bigger the nerd rage over this will be compared to the Human Torch casting.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hawkbit on October 10, 2015, 07:19:27 PM I'm cool as long as Fett never removes his mask. Otherwise, the only actor that should play him is Temuera Morrison.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 10, 2015, 07:22:12 PM Ep7 fett wouldn't be the original anyways, there will be some sort of passing of the mantle.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on October 10, 2015, 07:22:47 PM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on October 10, 2015, 07:32:14 PM Well, Boba was a clone of Jango, and you know how when you make a copy of a copy....
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_uDxE2RUYBo/TZ0CnJMiBGI/AAAAAAAAC8U/tEipto5rX9k/s1600/multiplicity80.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 10, 2015, 07:32:23 PM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on October 10, 2015, 07:39:07 PM You may be right. I read it my way, but your way works too.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 10, 2015, 07:55:27 PM You may be right. I read it my way, but your way works too. Also apparently Boba Fett is shown to be in the Jakku DLC that is coming with Battlefront pre-orders. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on October 15, 2015, 09:03:01 AM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 18, 2015, 09:43:44 AM Official movie poster is out and it looks like Rey will be taking the dark side turn for sure in later movies.
edit to add the actual image. http://i.imgur.com/b5Tf96Y.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/b5Tf96Y.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 18, 2015, 10:05:41 AM I suppose we are supposeed to get excited and speculate about why there is no Luke in the picture.
Nope, don't care much. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 18, 2015, 10:52:08 AM I care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Q7CcINC8M Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on October 18, 2015, 11:18:52 AM Leia's looking at Han like she's wondering if he should be out of the nursing home.
WHAR LUKE WHAR Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on October 18, 2015, 01:06:05 PM Another Death Star? :facepalm:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on October 18, 2015, 03:08:10 PM Another Death Star? :facepalm: Yeah, that was my thought too. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 18, 2015, 04:57:10 PM From what I've seen online it's something from the EU? I haven't researched much but the word is it's called a star killer and is actually that ice planet the first order are on, except cut in half with a sun destroying weapon inside.
Yes another death star sounds dumb at face value but if you are trying to take over a galaxy, building a weapon capable of taking out entire solar systems isn't a bad way to get shit done. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 18, 2015, 05:04:30 PM In story terms, I can see why we'd all say, "Ah, not another one". But look at it this way: when we built an atomic bomb, we didn't exactly say, "Oh, well, that makes for boring wars, let's get rid of it." The stupid thing about a lot of pulp stories and comic books is in fact when the villains abandon a sure-fire winner of a scheme just because their super-duper dingus gets beat or blown up once.
Once you knew you could build a thing like that, you'd do it again unless: 1) it fueled so much opposition that you couldn't stay in power; 2) it's so crazy expensive that you can only build it once or maybe twice; 3) it doesn't work right really (like, it has an unshielded exhaust port); 4) the other guys have one too so you can't really use it without Mutually Assured Destruction. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on October 18, 2015, 07:10:55 PM I'm not really sure you can logic your way into this one though, if you start applying that kind of reasoning to Star Wars plots I imagine you're going to go insane staring into the void.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on October 18, 2015, 07:11:11 PM Not another Death Star, Starkiller Base. Apparently it's literally a star destroyer.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 18, 2015, 07:27:57 PM Battleships sink, all the time, through poor design or negligence or any number of reasons. It doesn't mean you stop making them.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on October 19, 2015, 01:21:45 AM I stopped making them once Bay started filming them.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on October 19, 2015, 07:08:00 PM Battleships sink, all the time, through poor design or negligence or any number of reasons. It doesn't mean you stop making them. Well, yeah, everyone sort of did stop making them. We even stopped making them and using the ones we kept in service just to slap our dick in the face of everyone that we could destroy their country with shit we had left over from WW2. Death Star scale weapons are dumb, even in Star Wars. The resources that went into them could build a fuckzillion Star Destroyers, which would do a much better job of projecting power, in more places, all at the same time. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 19, 2015, 07:10:13 PM The resources that went into them could build a fuckzillion Star Destroyers, which would do a much better job of projecting power, in more places, all at the same time. I should have prefaced battleship with "during the world wars" when they were in use but the analogy stands. Also we can only assume what it costs to build a star killer vs star destroyer or what the pros/cons would actually be, that part is all scifi speculation. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on October 19, 2015, 07:17:06 PM True, but the equivalent of battleships here would again be Star Destroyers. Death Star/Star killer level stuff goes way past Schwerer Gustav levels of wastage into Ratte and pykrete supercarrier levels of waste.
Don't get me wrong, I think they're all awesome. They're just sort of dumb when you compare what else you could build with that time, material, and manpower. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 19, 2015, 07:18:21 PM stupid discussion.
Lets watch the new trailer instead! (http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/19/9539109/new-star-wars-7-trailer-force-awakens) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on October 19, 2015, 07:20:22 PM Yeah, but.... The Iowa Class were obsolete even before they were built, never engaged other ships directly, yet we not only built a bunch of them but kept them in service for an extra 30-40 years, updating the electronics as we went. Because they were impressive as *fuck*, you sailed one of those into a harbor you had the undivided attention of everyone in it, and they didn't need an entire fleet of escorts like carriers did.
The Death Star was a terror weapon, intended to be so scary that it would keep the Empire in line. That's why they blew up Alderaan, remember? Because Yavin was too far out of the way too serve as a proper example of the capabilities of the Death Star, even though they were planning on blowing it up, they needed something that would make rebel sympathizers a little less welcome on marginal worlds. The Empire didn't stop needing people to be scared of them just because their first was blown up. And it's unlikely the one they used as a honeypot at Endor would have been the only doomsday weapon they had in the pipeline, and what is even scarier than a weapon that blows up worlds? --Dave (Apparently, I am still enough of a dork to find this a perfectly reasonable thing to argue about) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on October 19, 2015, 07:23:11 PM stupid discussion. Lets watch the new trailer instead! (http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/19/9539109/new-star-wars-7-trailer-force-awakens) GUYS GUYS GUYS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 19, 2015, 07:24:50 PM That fucking music....I can't stop myself from getting hyped, I tried and I failed.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 19, 2015, 07:27:25 PM I'm all atwitter.
Managed to buy 2d tickets to opening night. Imax sold out long before I could get through on the melting websites. Goddamnit. 59 days. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on October 19, 2015, 07:30:50 PM Just saw the new trailer via MNF. Meh, it was ok. The whole movie still feels like an Abrams tweener flick though. Really, only 1/2 SW movies were made for somewhat mature audiences. Do we really need more kiddie pandering? Especially for a reboot? Lame.
edit: All the movie sites are slammed. Can't even buy tix. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 19, 2015, 07:35:27 PM Just saw the new trailer via MNF. Meh, it was ok. The whole movie still feels like an Abrams tweener flick though. Really, only 1/2 SW movies were made for somewhat mature audiences. Do we really need more kiddie pandering? Especially for a reboot? Lame. Wat. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on October 19, 2015, 07:43:19 PM Well, since I probably won't be able to see this for the first couple of weeks, obviously the rational thing to do is turn off the internet, to avoid spoilers. Probably need some kind of device to limit hearing and vision, too.
(http://i.imgur.com/LNtQ5Sd.png) A few weeks in this rig should be a completely reasonable way to be simultaneously a proper Star Wars fan, and terminally enochlophobic, right? Guys...? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on October 19, 2015, 07:50:25 PM "Just let it in..."
I'm so fucking hyped. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 19, 2015, 07:51:56 PM May the hype be with you... always.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 19, 2015, 07:58:38 PM About 1:23 to 1:39 feels really epic. Music especially.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on October 19, 2015, 08:01:50 PM The upside of being in Central California for the holidays is that I got tickets for the following Sunday in IMAX 3D no problem.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on October 19, 2015, 08:17:18 PM About 1:23 to 1:39 feels really epic. Music especially. Aye. Not the first time I wished whoever made trailers got to direct. We will see. I just want it not to suck. I'm sure there will be lots of deaths and some cringing... I just hope this new Star Wars doesn't end up like the new Dr.Who. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on October 19, 2015, 08:51:35 PM The official trailer was much better than any of the teasers have been. I still refuse to get excited about seeing either a JJ movie or a Star Wars movie in the theater, but I will definitely be watching this on Netflix at least.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on October 20, 2015, 03:26:50 AM Why did I open this thread, why.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 20, 2015, 04:02:02 AM Why did I open this thread, why. Just let it in. :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on October 20, 2015, 05:36:14 AM The official trailer was much better than any of the teasers have been. I still refuse to get excited about seeing either a JJ movie or a Star Wars movie in the theater, but I will definitely be watching this on Netflix at least. I'm with ya. I can't see any of these new movies coming out living up to the hype. It's still a JJ Abrams directed film. Might still be cautious to the horror that were the prequels. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 20, 2015, 05:47:40 AM The official trailer was much better than any of the teasers have been. I still refuse to get excited about seeing either a JJ movie or a Star Wars movie in the theater, but I will definitely be watching this on Netflix at least. I'm with ya. I can't see any of these new movies coming out living up to the hype. It's still a JJ Abrams directed film. Might still be cautious to the horror that were the prequels. I am hyped for the Mr. Plinkett review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho16PDZGzDM)! "It's so dense!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 20, 2015, 07:21:41 AM Actors watch the trailer. Boyega's reaction is the best (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/star-wars-force-awakens-daisy-ridley-cries-trailer_56262d8fe4b02f6a900db888)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on October 20, 2015, 07:40:30 AM No comments on the boycott movement? That seems like perfect f13 rage fodder.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 20, 2015, 08:05:39 AM Appears a couple of internet trolls started it to get it trending, and the only reason it's trending is everyone expressing dismay at it. Non-story.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rendakor on October 20, 2015, 08:23:16 AM There's some discussion about it down in Politics.
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=24933.msg1389353#msg1389353 Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on October 20, 2015, 09:18:30 AM That lens flare!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 20, 2015, 09:30:43 AM After having been burned out and meh on the other trailers, this one actually got me excited. It FELT epic like the others didn't.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 20, 2015, 10:19:23 AM . wrong forum. Sorry.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: penfold on October 20, 2015, 11:43:27 AM Have my tickets. Looking forward to it waaaay more than Christmas. I can only hope i miss spoilers on the day it premiers.
No one is to start threads titled "Luke is the dark jedi master!" please. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on October 20, 2015, 12:21:23 PM No comments on the boycott movement? That seems like perfect f13 rage fodder. We're pointing and laughing at all sides of it over in Politics. Short form: The only open question is exactly who is getting trolled.--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on October 20, 2015, 12:28:23 PM Everyone.
Probably worse after the movie shows. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: shiznitz on October 20, 2015, 01:19:08 PM The upside of being in Central California for the holidays is that I got tickets for the following Sunday in IMAX 3D no problem. I got 5 tickets in IMAX 3D at 7:30pm on opening night in Danbury, CT just 5 minutes ago. Nice to be in the boonies. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 20, 2015, 01:43:06 PM Boonies wasn't the problem. The websites were literally melting for 2+ hours last night. I got "Server not found" and Domain-level "server not found" for Fandango and Movietickets.com both. They were not prepared for the amount of hammering they got at all.
For once another industry could have learned something from MMOs. :drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on October 20, 2015, 02:17:30 PM Actors watch the trailer. Boyega's reaction is the best (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/star-wars-force-awakens-daisy-ridley-cries-trailer_56262d8fe4b02f6a900db888) Gold. Makes me ... want to look forward? :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 20, 2015, 03:43:50 PM (http://i.imgur.com/DZS6j7z.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on October 20, 2015, 04:41:00 PM Haven't even seen the new trailer yet (been too lazy to look it up on my phone and I am still at work). I did manage to grab 2 IMAX tickets for 4PM on Friday the 18th. Might have to pull my kid out of school a few minutes early to get there :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 20, 2015, 09:56:55 PM Han Oldo.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on October 20, 2015, 10:03:47 PM No.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on October 21, 2015, 06:28:33 AM This (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/what-if-the-new-star-wars-sucks-too-1737539377?) is pretty amusing.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 21, 2015, 06:51:44 AM This (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/what-if-the-new-star-wars-sucks-too-1737539377?) is pretty amusing. That article is way too long to just say "Well most of the movies were terrible/ok so odds are against this movie being good." which is not how movies work. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 21, 2015, 07:07:01 AM The amount of people I've run across since the birth of the net who were insisting that a star trek movie would be crap or good because "every odd numbered trek movie is crap" shows that the majority of people actually think they do.
Hell the Return of the Shit earned gangbusters because people simply didn't abandon their childhood memories when they should have realized that the Phandom Penance showed that the Lucas of their youth was an illusion. The went because they were hoping beyond hope that the Return of the Shit would validate them in once thinking that Lucas was a genius and that finally THIS movie would be good after all. I read a guy seriously arguing in a newspaper that THIS movie would finally validate peoples faith in Lucas. If people reacted rationally and based on previous experience the second movie should have earned about $2 at the box office as everyone would have waited to listen to word of mouth to be sure before putting down their cash. Sadly getting burned does not teach people. And I'm proud to say that the Phandom Penance was the only one of the Prequels I paid money to see. I still haven't seen the other ones as I know they are trash and I knew that before they came out. People are desperate to see if this movie will actually be good. They are desperatly hoping that TJIS movie will validate their faith. Sadly desperation is no reason to see a movie and it means nothing to your own self worth whther a movie is good or not. I'll probably watch it at some point but the genie is well out of the bottle for me. I still have the 2 good Wars movies to watch if I want. They were so good Lucas altered them to tone them down... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 21, 2015, 07:14:16 AM (https://i.imgur.com/V6F4RVI.png)
Is it me or do those two look awfully generic? If it wasn't for the background they'd fit into any contemporary non-sf film as well... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on October 21, 2015, 07:23:07 AM (https://i.imgur.com/V6F4RVI.png) Is it me or do those two look awfully generic? If it wasn't for the background they'd fit into any contemporary non-sf film as well... BLASPHEMER! KILL THE HERETIC! :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on October 21, 2015, 08:36:31 AM I'm just not sure what we mean by generic here.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on October 21, 2015, 08:38:39 AM Not enough CGI tentacles.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goreschach on October 21, 2015, 08:40:13 AM I'm guessing it's because their clothes look too much like something people would actually wear.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2015, 08:40:24 AM I'm just not sure what we mean by generic here. I think he's implying the clothes aren't "Star Warsy" enough, maybe? I dunno, even the clothes in Empire and Jedi were rooted in the 80s and didn't look "super spacy." They're great throbacks to the clothing of the OT but updated to more modern design trends. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 21, 2015, 08:49:39 AM The amount of people I've run across since the birth of the net who were insisting that a star trek movie would be crap or good because "every odd numbered trek movie is crap" shows that the majority of people actually think they do. Hell the Return of the Shit earned gangbusters because people simply didn't abandon their childhood memories when they should have realized that the Phandom Penance showed that the Lucas of their youth was an illusion. The went because they were hoping beyond hope that the Return of the Shit would validate them in once thinking that Lucas was a genius and that finally THIS movie would be good after all. I read a guy seriously arguing in a newspaper that THIS movie would finally validate peoples faith in Lucas. If people reacted rationally and based on previous experience the second movie should have earned about $2 at the box office as everyone would have waited to listen to word of mouth to be sure before putting down their cash. Sadly getting burned does not teach people. And I'm proud to say that the Phandom Penance was the only one of the Prequels I paid money to see. I still haven't seen the other ones as I know they are trash and I knew that before they came out. People are desperate to see if this movie will actually be good. They are desperatly hoping that TJIS movie will validate their faith. Sadly desperation is no reason to see a movie and it means nothing to your own self worth whther a movie is good or not. I'll probably watch it at some point but the genie is well out of the bottle for me. I still have the 2 good Wars movies to watch if I want. They were so good Lucas altered them to tone them down... Holy crap you must be fun at parties. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 21, 2015, 10:06:53 AM I mean, shit, it will cost me $45 for three adults to see this on Dec. 19th in a 3d theater with those nice new recliner seats. It's not exactly the same as deciding whether to buy a house or rent. A dinner at a restaurant that disappoints the three of us might run me $150 with wine and cocktails and I don't run around screaming about how I'll never eat out again.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2015, 10:15:17 AM IT RAPED YOU. IT MURDERED YOUR CHILDREN!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on October 21, 2015, 10:16:25 AM $34 and change for my son and I (plus $3 convenience charge). Spendy, but worth the experience for his first SW movie in the theaters (and my first since TPM!).
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on October 21, 2015, 10:22:49 AM I like movies. I like going to movie theaters. It means I dole out more money than the average person per year, but I enjoy it. I used to go a lot more, but I HAVE made some adjustments due to wanting to get married and buy a house.
But I stil lenjoy "event movies" in theaters. It's like church for me. Hell, we're seeing this on Opening Night and planning to see it in IMAX down in LA that weekend. But we also have Annual Passes for Universal Studios, so it's a dual purpose trip. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2015, 10:30:52 AM I like movies. I like going to movie theaters. It means I dole out more money than the average person per year, but I enjoy it. I used to go a lot more, but I HAVE made some adjustments due to wanting to get married and buy a house. But I stil lenjoy "event movies" in theaters. It's like church for me. Hell, we're seeing this on Opening Night and planning to see it in IMAX down in LA that weekend. But we also have Annual Passes for Universal Studios, so it's a dual purpose trip. I'm with you and love the movie theater experience. There's just something fundamentally more fun to seeing a movie in a crowd than even a home theater, IMO. If you go more than 3 times a month you should look at this: https://www.moviepass.com/ No 3d or IMAX but for good ol' 2d movies but it's only $30 per person. Hell of a deal if you go often, I just heard about it last week and am considering it for my wife and I. We easily spend $30 a month in prime movie season, but miss a lot we want to see due to not wanting to spend more. Seems entirely worth it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Phildo on October 21, 2015, 02:46:23 PM If you're going for the circus, that's fine. Me, I'd rather wait for a week or two until it's still crowded but no longer sold out and word of mouth is available. If it gets panned, I have no problem at all waiting for video.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 21, 2015, 03:57:19 PM The amount of people I've run across since the birth of the net who were insisting that a star trek movie would be crap or good because "every odd numbered trek movie is crap" shows that the majority of people actually think they do. Hell the Return of the Shit earned gangbusters because people simply didn't abandon their childhood memories when they should have realized that the Phandom Penance showed that the Lucas of their youth was an illusion. The went because they were hoping beyond hope that the Return of the Shit would validate them in once thinking that Lucas was a genius and that finally THIS movie would be good after all. I read a guy seriously arguing in a newspaper that THIS movie would finally validate peoples faith in Lucas. If people reacted rationally and based on previous experience the second movie should have earned about $2 at the box office as everyone would have waited to listen to word of mouth to be sure before putting down their cash. Sadly getting burned does not teach people. And I'm proud to say that the Phandom Penance was the only one of the Prequels I paid money to see. I still haven't seen the other ones as I know they are trash and I knew that before they came out. People are desperate to see if this movie will actually be good. They are desperatly hoping that TJIS movie will validate their faith. Sadly desperation is no reason to see a movie and it means nothing to your own self worth whther a movie is good or not. I'll probably watch it at some point but the genie is well out of the bottle for me. I still have the 2 good Wars movies to watch if I want. They were so good Lucas altered them to tone them down... This confuses me. Are you saying that expecting this movie to be good is desperate based on the previous failures? You do know Lucas had literally nothing to do with the making of this particular movie right? This is an adaptation as much as it is a sequel. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Segoris on October 21, 2015, 04:57:32 PM Is it me or do those two look awfully generic? If it wasn't for the background they'd fit into any contemporary non-sf film as well... Yeah, they look like the default black guy and white girl in a video game character creator. In this case I actually like it though, especially for the girl since I'm guessing there is more important shit going on than worrying about make up and a nice hair do. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 21, 2015, 07:37:22 PM Is it me or do those two look awfully generic? If it wasn't for the background they'd fit into any contemporary non-sf film as well... Yeah, they look like the default black guy and white girl in a video game character creator. In this case I actually like it though, especially for the girl since I'm guessing there is more important shit going on than worrying about make up and a nice hair do. I already regret I said anything. :oh_i_see: But yes, I meant the clothes mainly. Especially Mr. Black guy looks like he walked on the set with his street clothes on. But really, it was more a random comment. I am not damning the film or so... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on October 23, 2015, 01:00:07 AM The best SW movies, Lucas didn't even really write or truly devise. ESB was only loosely drafted (barely an outline) by Lucas. The script after the 1st draft was worked by two other writers. SWepi4 was a flaming pile of thematic kurosawa until Lucas got serious, brought in studs to devise ILM and John Williams for the sound. After thankfully deciding to break the story up into multiple movies.
The guy had money. Was established in Hollywood. And had a good idea and a good bit of luck dealing with the right people. Thatisall. In all honesty, James Cameron blows him away as a science-fantasy moviemaker, and has actual technical prowess. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on October 23, 2015, 03:50:36 AM Cameron hasn't made a good science fantasy flick since T2. Don't get me wrong, Lucas is a hack, but let's not start blowing smoke up Cameron's ass too.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hawkbit on October 23, 2015, 06:45:05 AM Yeah, but that fifth Avatar movie is going to bring him back in a big way.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on October 23, 2015, 07:05:37 AM I don't get why so many people call Lucas a hack. I don't like many of his movies(I'm not a Star Wars person like many on this site are), but he has been involved with more than one cultural touchpoint of the 20th C. There's more than just luck there, even if he did completely lose the plot later on.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 23, 2015, 07:54:48 AM I think Lucas is a bit of a "Rain Man." He does have areas of utter genius but his flaws outside of those areas are goddamn glaring. The only reason we didn't see them in full was that for the first 3 Star Wars films, he had plenty of people around him who would tell him no and had the power to make that stick, and he allowed other people with better skillsets do things he wasn't that good at, like dialogue. It was only when the movies made so much money that he was given the autonomy to do whatever the fuck he wanted that things really started to go to shit. I'd say right around the time that fuckhead wrote Ewoks into Return of the Jedi. The prequel movies were so bad because there was so much of his stink on them - he had made so much money and had so much clout, he could hire whoever he wanted and make them do what he wanted. All the behind the scenes shots of him and his cronies looking at that shitty footage from Phantom Menace and you can just see that everyone in that room is shit scared to tell him how bad what they just watched is.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 23, 2015, 08:19:30 AM Someone else put it best. Lucas is a great Rules draftsman but a shitty DM.
I liked the Ewoks as a kid and still don't mind them.* They made sense IF you were enough of a fanboy to have read the shit in Magazines and Newspapers and everything else in 1983. They made more sense because of it. Too bad none of that explanation made it into the movie. Ditto the back story for the Trade Federation etc. tons of background and world building that should have STAYED on the back end instead of becoming the focus of the movie. The political drama part doesn't work well with an action franchise. Lots of good story elements and notes in the prequels, all ruined by hack writing and way too much CGI along the way. A better writer could have still hit the good notes without introducing the WTFness. A better director wouldn't have insisted on the same robotic delivery and lack of emotion that he's cultivated in public for 40 years. (Seriously, watch how he talks and suddenly all the bullshit makes sense. All those actors are talking like George Lucas. :uhrr: ) * I should also note in reading a few Reddit threads this last week there's an equal split on Jar Jar as there is on Ewoks. Also, as Windup had pointed out there's guys in their 20s who still think the prequels 'weren't that bad.' Barney should do another line for this divide as well. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 23, 2015, 09:06:12 AM Ewoks > Jar Jar. Every. single. fucking. day.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 23, 2015, 09:18:05 AM I actually didn't mind Jar Jar that much. Yes, he was fuckstupid, but he didn't engender a homicidal rage in my like in other nerds.
Ewoks were just fucking dumb kid toy pandering. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on October 23, 2015, 09:21:23 AM Yah, I kinda looked at the Ewoks like I looked at the Hobbit. Little people you don't take for granted. Didn't hate them, but they weren't written or portrayed correctly either.
I will say that the new SW looks a lot like Epi. 4, which is awesome, but obviously not genius, somewhat of a re-tread, and obviously will suck if it goes all DisneyInsurgentTwilightGames on us, as Lucas essentially did with the franchise by RotJ onward. It does glaringly look like dirtfarmer become hero. Complete with purdy heroine, mentor, and a dark and growing ebil. Technically, Abrams was handed the keys to a shiny custom Ferrari that was already perfect (the old-style, old theme, even the old characters). If he fucks it up, it will be a way bigger blunder than Epis 1-3. He somewhat pulled it off with the new Trek, but it still came out worse than a few of its predecessors. I'd bet that will minimally be the case here, if we're lucky. edit: JarJar? Fuckstupid. But, the Gungans? I thought they were a pretty cool concept... but again, portrayed wrong. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on October 23, 2015, 09:35:41 AM RotJ was the first time I sat in a movie and thought, 'yeah, no... no fucking way - that is not even remotely believable.' - in reference to the Ewoks defeating the stormtroopers... with sticks and rocks. It hurt to watch that. I get it, the rebels had to win...but watching the teddy bears overcome stormtroopers in such a fashion just never sat well with me and still doesn't. Maybe it had everything to do with my age and being able to grasp the cold reality of it.
The prequels followed that line, but at least were a little more believable - I mean at least the gungans had weapons that could inflict damage. As for Jar-Jar... no. He was an unnecessary character that was there to provide nothing more than absurd stupid antics all the way thru. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on October 23, 2015, 10:04:23 AM Epi 3 was better than RotJ. The shear tragedy of it and the final battle scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI) were enough for that.
I'm not sure if that scene was better than Luke vs. Vader in ESB though. Tough call. The latter was just a better piece of moviemaking and writing, the former was a better action piece. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 23, 2015, 10:26:53 AM It's times like this when I wonder if people are joking. You really think the final fight scene in ep3 was good? "I have the high ground!" and all the twirling bullshit?
The ONLY reason the fight in ep3 had any gravitas at all was the vader baggage people brought with them because of the original trilogy. After EP1,2 no one gave two shits about anakin because he was an unlikable douche from the age of 5 and nothing he did made people empathize with him. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on October 23, 2015, 10:37:26 AM So which sabre battle was the best in the SW series then?? Nevermind the overarching story. In reality, the overall choreography in epis 4-6 was atrocious in just about everything, even the Twi'Lek dancing scene.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on October 23, 2015, 10:42:21 AM Ghambit your opinions cannot be trusted from here on out. No one with any sense of taste thinks Ep 3 was better than ROTJ. Unless you are so desperate to justify some sort of enjoyment from the stinking dog pile that was the prequels. The fight scene in Ep 3 looks like it was written and directed by a 13 year old.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on October 23, 2015, 11:01:51 AM I ate RotJ up as kid, got into Ewok Adventure stuff and all that. Still think ep.3 was a better movie and the battle scenes definitely better. Seriously, the gun and saber scenes in RotJ are so bad that really... you can't make a good movie out of it at all unless you're <10 yrs. old.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 23, 2015, 11:10:37 AM So which sabre battle was the best in the SW series then?? Phantom Menace's epic lightsaber fight between Darth Maul, Obi Won and Qui Gon was tops, followed by Luke/Vader in ESB. The final fight in Ep3 was just goddamn awful from start to finish, but it wasn't as bad as fucking Yoda bounding around while Palpatine throws the goddamn Senate at him. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on October 23, 2015, 11:24:13 AM All the trailer footage cut into one long trailer (http://m.sfgate.com/movies/article/This-nearly-4-minute-Star-Wars-Episode-VII-6585094.php)
They did a pretty good job mashing all of this together. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on October 23, 2015, 11:35:39 AM Bought my IMAX tickets, excited. I was good and only bought tickets for the one show, but I'll probably see it a few times. The old lady is being tolerant.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on October 23, 2015, 12:11:51 PM In terms of fight choreography, I'd have to go with Count Dooku/Obi Wan + Anakin + Yoda. But in terms of impact, Luke/Vader in Cloud City. Anakin/Obi Wan was just too over the top, I actually laughed at it the first time.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goreschach on October 23, 2015, 12:18:54 PM All the lightsaber fights in the new trilogy were overproduced shit that looked more like interpretive dance than people trying to kill each other.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 23, 2015, 12:47:39 PM People who think the Choreography in 4 and 5 don't know sword fights. Those were real fights vs. the bullshit, "Let's throw tennis pro moves" of the prequels. Plenty of stuff out there where actual swordfighters were disappointed with the bullshit of I-III because the fights in IV-VI were more realistic fights.
Yeah, yeah, space wizards with super reflexes. The point is that they were choreographed before all of the "Jedi are invulnerable space wizards with super-human abilities" of the 15 years of build-up after Jedi. They were originally envisioned as more Kendo-like fighters than swashbucklers. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: NowhereMan on October 23, 2015, 02:42:34 PM I'll chime in to say that frankly fuck realistic fight scenes. I do not want to watch an actual, for reals fight between two people on screen because it would probably 1) be short and 2) involve both participants taking as few risks as possible making the whole thing much less eventful (arguably it would build up tension well).
We're in an MMA vs. WWE situation here though, fake fights if well thought out can be far more entertaining. I think with the general level of FX technology in the 4-6 era that it was a good call. I also think that the finale in Ep 3 and fights like Yoda vs. Dooku were ridiculously over the top and dumb because of that. I don't think that adding in unrealistic flourishes and exaggerated moves is a bad thing in fight scenes though. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Nevermore on October 23, 2015, 02:55:04 PM I'll chime in to say that frankly fuck realistic fight scenes. I do not want to watch an actual, for reals fight between two people on screen because it would probably 1) be short and 2) involve both participants taking as few risks as possible making the whole thing much less eventful (arguably it would build up tension well). We're in an MMA vs. WWE situation here though, fake fights if well thought out can be far more entertaining. I think with the general level of FX technology in the 4-6 era that it was a good call. I also think that the finale in Ep 3 and fights like Yoda vs. Dooku were ridiculously over the top and dumb because of that. I don't think that adding in unrealistic flourishes and exaggerated moves is a bad thing in fight scenes though. Really? I'd take the Rob Roy swordfight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaslN1NiT0) over any of the prequel lightsaber fights any day of the week. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 23, 2015, 03:29:35 PM I'll chime in to say that frankly fuck realistic fight scenes. I do not want to watch an actual, for reals fight between two people on screen because it would probably 1) be short and 2) involve both participants taking as few risks as possible making the whole thing much less eventful (arguably it would build up tension well). We're in an MMA vs. WWE situation here though, fake fights if well thought out can be far more entertaining. I think with the general level of FX technology in the 4-6 era that it was a good call. I also think that the finale in Ep 3 and fights like Yoda vs. Dooku were ridiculously over the top and dumb because of that. I don't think that adding in unrealistic flourishes and exaggerated moves is a bad thing in fight scenes though. We aren't disagreeing here. There is a time and place for outlandish fight scenes and star wars could always have one or two mixed in but if you want to know how to do it wrong, just watch the prequels. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on October 23, 2015, 03:36:08 PM Any fight in 4 through 6 are better than 1 to 3.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on October 23, 2015, 10:47:04 PM (https://38.media.tumblr.com/5babf884d516efded5ac2f16e13d0051/tumblr_mva3m3yQNg1sjzbuao1_400.gif)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 24, 2015, 05:17:27 AM Video is better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hDwGQaTrVQ Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 24, 2015, 05:18:32 AM I actually sort of like the Emperor and Yoda in the Senate. Partly because the Emperor is having a ball--he's had to be stealthy and careful but now he can just go ahead and be evil as all fuck and throw the Senate at Yoda, no problem.
I can't stand the Dooku vs. Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda sequence simply because the whole film has been so flat, the scene is flat, and even Christopher Lee can't really save his dialogue. I also hate the way that Dooku pulls objects down--to visually integrate that into the fight, he shouldn't be stopping to point and gesture and be elaborate about it. Hell, if he's going to do that, jump the motherfucker while he's concentrating and pointing and doing wizard shit. Anakin v. Obi-Wan has flashes of good moments--the storyboards probably looked better than the finished product--interspersed with absolutely awful visual ideas and painful dialogue. "I have the high ground" just makes no sense at all given the kind of stuff they've been doing through the fight--just jump higher! Would have been better immediately if Anakin just jumped and Obi-Wan made his move on the legs, sudden end to it all. Maul v. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan is definitely the best on pure choreography/music/feeling. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 24, 2015, 05:49:06 AM I'll chime in to say that frankly fuck realistic fight scenes. I do not want to watch an actual, for reals fight between two people on screen because it would probably 1) be short and 2) involve both participants taking as few risks as possible making the whole thing much less eventful (arguably it would build up tension well). We're in an MMA vs. WWE situation here though, fake fights if well thought out can be far more entertaining. I think with the general level of FX technology in the 4-6 era that it was a good call. I also think that the finale in Ep 3 and fights like Yoda vs. Dooku were ridiculously over the top and dumb because of that. I don't think that adding in unrealistic flourishes and exaggerated moves is a bad thing in fight scenes though. Really? I'd take the Rob Roy swordfight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaslN1NiT0) over any of the prequel lightsaber fights any day of the week. I watched that fight again this morning. I always liked it but had forgotten just how good it is. Maul, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan I agree was the best of the prequels. You also had two guys who know how to fight with weapons acting in that scene and I think they held a lot of Nick Gillard's craziness back. This is seen in the decline of the next two fights. Although Anakin vs. Obi-wan DID have it's moments, they were overshadowed by a lot of the twirly rave bullshit which was all over the place in the fight making it feel a hell of a lot longer. I also believe this to be the case because Gillard left Duel of the Fates out of his promo reel, but left in the fights from Episode II and III. Nick Gillard does fights I just don't enjoy. Too much over the top bullshit meant to look great on film but is more 14 year old with a camera than anything else. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0-l0YoATaw Episode VII brought in not one guy but a fight team. That team did did The Raid & The Raid 2, where the fights still had some over the top hyper-athleticisim but felt like real fights. Not glorified dance battles with glowsticks. Sersan Jaka vs. Mad Dog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYmqzWPCdk Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on October 24, 2015, 06:12:11 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC6dgtBU6Gs
My favorite sword fight. :drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 24, 2015, 02:57:04 PM Arguing about sword fights, so nerdy.
Let's talk about the plot, like adults! What about the fan theory that Luke is the antagonist in this film? Reasons listed are:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goreschach on October 24, 2015, 03:25:58 PM It probably won't be true, even though it really, really should be.
Like back when everyone was hoping that Matrix 3 would reveal that the rebellion was the 'real' matrix. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 24, 2015, 03:28:12 PM I think they are just keeping Luke as their biggest character reveal. As much as people love Han and Chewie, people love Luke for the Jedi aspect more.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 24, 2015, 06:34:01 PM It probably won't be true, even though it really, really should be. Like back when everyone was hoping that Matrix 3 would reveal that the rebellion was the 'real' matrix. Good points, yes. And leaving ambiguity is the perfect way to get people guessing and create hype...so. And agree with you that it should be. Much more ageing (edit: I meant engaging, but freud) to have Luke (someone with emotional attachment for the audience) fill that role than some new Darth Whatever that no one heard about before entering the cinema. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 24, 2015, 06:36:21 PM Well it's very likely that Kylo Ren won't be force sensitive at all. My impression is that the final battle will be between Finn and Rey because she's going sith for sure.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: RhyssaFireheart on October 24, 2015, 07:43:05 PM I'll chime in to say that frankly fuck realistic fight scenes. I do not want to watch an actual, for reals fight between two people on screen because it would probably 1) be short and 2) involve both participants taking as few risks as possible making the whole thing much less eventful (arguably it would build up tension well). We're in an MMA vs. WWE situation here though, fake fights if well thought out can be far more entertaining. I think with the general level of FX technology in the 4-6 era that it was a good call. I also think that the finale in Ep 3 and fights like Yoda vs. Dooku were ridiculously over the top and dumb because of that. I don't think that adding in unrealistic flourishes and exaggerated moves is a bad thing in fight scenes though. Really? I'd take the Rob Roy swordfight (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaslN1NiT0) over any of the prequel lightsaber fights any day of the week. This sent me down the rabbit hole of YouTube video hopping until I ended up watching Jet Li and Donnie Yen fights. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. But YouTube can be as dangerous as TVTropes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on October 24, 2015, 08:03:16 PM Like back when everyone was hoping that Matrix 3 would reveal that the rebellion was the 'real' matrix. That theory was so much better than what actually happened and also makes more sense. The idea that people unhappy in the matrix get placed in another matrix that indulges their rebellious nature is great. I was really hoping the reveal was that it's matrices all the way down. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on October 24, 2015, 08:18:11 PM I'm getting an ISIS insurgency feel from these clips. I wonder where the rest of the galaxy/alliance went. Be interesting to see how they frame the alliance now as (another?) rebellion.
I'm not sold on Rey going dark. Could be 50/50. Someone is going to get it and it looks like Finn, since he's the one with the other sabre. If so, pushes Rey along dark or light. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 24, 2015, 09:01:27 PM Who are you? "I'm no one" Just that line alone, insecurity, doubt. Then we see shots of her crying, shooting a blaster with a rageface, all extreme emotions. Not to mention the posters have been putting her in between the light/dark side and I think there are only a couple scenarios. Either she goes full on sith and gets redeemed in the last movie or she somehow goes the grey jedi route, true balance and all that, something luke may actually teach her. JJ is on record as being a fan of KOTOR and bastilla was a big part of what made that game good.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 24, 2015, 09:07:23 PM Grey Jedi were part of the EU and jettisoned. I don't expect them to make a return since Disney and the masses aren't big fans of subjectivity.
I do believe we'll see Rey as the fall/ redemption in this cycle. She's the one that kills Luke and he returns as a Force ghost in VIII (since they're already filming and Hamill's been in the area.) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on October 25, 2015, 10:12:58 AM JJ is on record as being a fan of KOTOR and bastilla was a big part of what made that game good. Interesting - hadn't heard this before. Do you have a link to a source for that? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on October 25, 2015, 12:29:06 PM Those are all good arguments. Thanks.
In other speculation, the Star Destroyer on Jakku brought down by Luke, as in Force Unleashed2? Explains why it's still mostly together. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 25, 2015, 04:47:56 PM Grey Jedi were part of the EU and jettisoned. I don't expect them to make a return since Disney and the masses aren't big fans of subjectivity. Possible but they have been a point of cherry picking EU material already so it's all fair game to be included if it works. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on October 25, 2015, 05:16:25 PM Ahsoka in Rebels is pretty much a Grey Jedi.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on October 31, 2015, 11:29:08 AM grey jedi stuff is an oft-abandoned thing. canon holds it to be, quite strictly, a mistake by people who think they can play with the dark side without the inevitable repercussions.
which of course was abandoned at convenience by extended universe, so Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 31, 2015, 04:46:55 PM They are always going to come back to the basic idea even if they abandon it in "canon"--there is no "Knights of the Round Table v. bad knights" that doesn't eventually have to talk about people who aren't clearly one or the other just to create narrative tension.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 05, 2015, 02:56:49 PM (https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11221282_10208403912321692_2728906186906899718_n.jpg?oh=22e126736d6013bdddc557a82c6fe35e&oe=56B6F1B4)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 06, 2015, 07:08:39 AM Japanese Trailer with lots of different footage including a shot of TIEs coming out of a Sunset which looks fantastic.
http://kotaku.com/the-japanese-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-has-lo-1740954589 I took a screenshot at the highest res YouTube allowed: Spoiler for Size Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 06, 2015, 07:09:37 AM Japanese Trailer with lots of different footage including a shot of TIEs coming out of a Sunset which looks fantastic. http://kotaku.com/the-japanese-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-has-lo-1740954589 I took a screenshot at the highest res YouTube allowed: Spoiler for Size Still not completely sold, but that trailer piqued my interest more so than the other stuff. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on November 06, 2015, 07:38:37 AM Wierd that it shows so much different stuff than the other trailers. Plus lets show lots of the cute robot! :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on November 06, 2015, 09:06:06 AM I took a screenshot at the highest res YouTube allowed: Spoiler for Size It's really subtle, but this almost looks like a homage to Apocalypse Now. Would be interesting to know if JJ Abrams heard of that film. :wink: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on November 06, 2015, 04:33:52 PM Man, I don't think it's subtle at all. That's a deliberate easter-egg level homage.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 06, 2015, 04:35:38 PM Abrams did an entire big budget movie that was an homage/love letter/remake of fucking E.T. You can bet it was deliberate.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 06, 2015, 08:24:00 PM Man, I don't think it's subtle at all. That's a deliberate easter-egg level homage. I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on November 06, 2015, 10:50:54 PM Man, I don't think it's subtle at all. That's a deliberate easter-egg level homage. I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic. Yeps. Thought was obvious, will green next time. :oh_i_see: And now I have a bad concious for derailing the thread, so here are all trailers so far mashed together in one long version. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr1ngT0pc4gl) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 12, 2015, 05:23:14 AM That tie-fighter "air-cav" shot NEEDS to be on my wall as a poster.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 12, 2015, 07:39:43 AM since Disney and the masses aren't big fans of subjectivity. Only the sith deal in absolutes! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Viin on November 12, 2015, 10:24:47 AM I don't even know when this comes out. This year?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 12, 2015, 10:33:20 AM December
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AM December To be more precise, just in time to generate Christmas toy sales US Dec 18.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 12, 2015, 11:30:04 AM December To be more precise, just in time to generate Christmas toy sales US Dec 18.To be even more precise, it opens Dec 17 in the US. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 12, 2015, 12:14:10 PM December To be more precise, just in time to generate Christmas toy sales US Dec 18.To be even more precise, it opens Dec 17 in the US. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt) Official release date is the 18th, some screens show the night of the 17th, LA premiere on the 14th, likely to be leaked on the internet the 12th. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 12, 2015, 12:35:55 PM Some? Every theater (that is showing it) I can find within 100 miles is showing it on Dec 17.
This is the stupidest use of "opens" ever. It Opens Dec 17. Not like we're talking about midnight screenings anymore. The showings start in the evenings these days. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 12, 2015, 12:37:00 PM Pedantry on the internet is a new thing that I'm just not completely happy with.
:oh_i_see: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 12, 2015, 04:03:55 PM Huh, this thing goes up to 11:
You said theaters. I said screens. Further, a US audience (of 1) has already seen it, so technically the premiere has already taken place. Further, the guy that watched it died soon after, so that doesn't make the film seem too awesome. We should be arguing about how this movie kills people. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 12, 2015, 04:14:07 PM Stop shitting up this thread with stupidity.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 12, 2015, 04:39:52 PM Stop shitting up this thread with stupidity. (http://media.giphy.com/media/hLPNDUZ3ntKEM/giphy.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 13, 2015, 11:02:49 AM Stop shitting up this thread with stupidity. My sincerest apologies. I did not mean to distract from the discussion of Space Station / Droid breeding. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 13, 2015, 11:10:24 AM Do you really think your discussion of what the fuck opening/premiere dates mean was somehow better?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on November 13, 2015, 11:24:26 AM Here you lot watch the new TV spot instead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0TBx9vXjY)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 13, 2015, 11:26:10 AM A month out. I see I'm going to have to turn off the interwebs until the 17th to avoid seeing more. (I feel like I've already seen the whole X vs Tie fight because someone mashed all the trailer footage together.)
Good thing Fallout just came out. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 13, 2015, 01:31:32 PM Here you lot watch the new TV spot instead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0TBx9vXjY) Now I'm less excited again. Hooray! I was starting to waver in my resolve to not see this in the theater. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 13, 2015, 01:58:42 PM Do you really think your discussion of what the fuck opening/premiere dates mean was somehow better? By about 1.2%, but this discussion you're continuing exceeds the quality of that by another 0.02%. Nicely done.I want to be excited by this movie - but it just doesn't feel right when I see the previews. I can't put my finger on what it is, but that scene where Han says, "It's all true"... it just feels wrong. Maybe it just needs context, but that doesn't feel like Han Solo. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ruvaldt on November 13, 2015, 04:19:37 PM That's actually one of my favorite parts of the trailer.
In episode IV Han says, "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny." Now, years later, after all that he's lived through, he absolutely believes that it's true, and he should because he's seen it first hand. For Han, to continue to deny the force would be absolutely absurd. He's going to believe in what he sees, and Han's seen some shit. In that scene he's letting whoever he's talking to know about it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 13, 2015, 06:20:49 PM I think the whole thing is that what happened in the original trilogy has become kind of a legend as time has gone on. All the stuff about Jedi's and the Force would probably be seen as just tales after all these years.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on November 15, 2015, 09:04:03 AM This. Especially if Luke's gone and crawled up his own ass, Yoda hermit style rather than starting a new Jedi academy or some such.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on November 15, 2015, 09:27:17 AM Which would sort of make sense. I mean, after all that happened and he had been through, saying "Force wielding people totally fucked up the galaxy and killed billions of people. It's probably best if there no more Jedi or Sith, and I just go isolate myself somewhere."
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on November 15, 2015, 10:06:32 AM Or like the title suggests, the Force dried up after the Emperor died and the conflict is managing its return. Yeah I know, "plot".
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 15, 2015, 12:10:30 PM Well, keep in mind there were... what, 3 Jedi and 2 Sith (At least known) for the entire Galaxy in the original trilogy? it would be easy for people to not know about any of that part of the war... and then decades pass.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 15, 2015, 12:29:44 PM Or like the title suggests, the Force dried up after the Emperor died and the conflict is managing its return. Yeah I know, "plot". Something something brought balance to the force. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on November 15, 2015, 01:45:14 PM Well, keep in mind there were... what, 3 Jedi and 2 Sith (At least known) for the entire Galaxy in the original trilogy? it would be easy for people to not know about any of that part of the war... and then decades pass. Which would be reasonable in a society without any sort of records like books, movies, or holocubes and holographic projectors. Also more reasonable if the entire span from the death of the Jedi Order and Episode 4 was longer than 20 years. In Episode 1 everyone on Tatooine knows about Jedi, and while impressed they're not particularly surprised. It was like two FBI agents showed up. So we can use that as a gauge of public knowledge of Jedi. If some backwoods dump like Tatooine isn't startled by Jedi showing up, everyone everyplace knows about jedi. then like 10 years later the Jedi all get killed, Luke is born. Fast forward to Episode 4. Luke's like 20 and all of a sudden Jedi are considered mythical wizards that may or not have ever existed. People think you're delusional for suggesting Jedi were real. In 20 years. I've had brochures and business cards in my desk longer than that. There are probably stacks of Jedi pamphlets and shit in government storage rooms and desk drawers all over the galaxy when Episode 4 takes place. Fuck, it's been 20 years and people still haven't forgotten Pearl Jam existed, let alone an organization of thousands of people able to manipulate reality with their willpower and were charged with maintaining peace in the galaxy. Middle-aged people would have all sorts of stories about all the times Jedi came around and settled arguments by negotiating or chopping people in half. Based on the way some of them fought, half the shit still being used in the galaxy would have lightsaber damage someplace. It's just not believable. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on November 15, 2015, 05:04:33 PM Just another reason to hate the prequals..:D
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on November 15, 2015, 07:51:44 PM Well, yeah. But I assume also that the Empire has dumped a lot of propaganda into rubbishing the idea of the Force--that it was all a lot of flim-flam and trickery, etc., exposed by our Dear Leader when the Jedi moved to seize power. But 20 years just doesn't work as a time frame for the Jedi to fade into legend completely, at least on the major centers of Galactic civilization (Coruscant, for example).
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 15, 2015, 08:29:09 PM Fuck, it's been 20 years and people still haven't forgotten Pearl Jam existed, Yeah, but, ask someone in the middle of Sudan about Pearl Jam. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 15, 2015, 10:34:00 PM Ask that same Sudanese person about a Battle 500 years ago that their present conflict is in revenge for. Or everything that tribe X has done to their tribe
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 16, 2015, 08:20:51 AM Ask that same Sudanese person about a Battle 500 years ago that their present conflict is in revenge for. Or everything that tribe X has done to their tribe My point wasn't that Sudanese people don't have a sense of history. I'm saying that they might not have a sense of history that happened a very long distance away. I've always gotten the feeling that the Jedi stuff for the most part was seen as peacekeepers and the whole "magic" part was largely seen as myth as many people don't cross paths with Jedi in the time of the movies. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 08:35:23 AM It's believable that the small handful of force wielders in the OT might have been dismissed as myths, since so few people saw them do their magic.
If we take the prequels as canon, though, it hasn't been that long since armies of wizards roamed the galaxy, with a school at the capital where they taught people magic. It also looked like every military unit had one at its head (cf order 66). Being older than Luke, it actually makes no sense for Han to be skeptical of the Force, since he grew up in a time when Jedi were like goddamn cockroaches. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 16, 2015, 08:47:22 AM Han would have been tested for force Sensitivity/Mitocloribullshit count as well, As per the line ion the Phandom Penance that Anakin would have been detected before then if he lived in the Republic.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 09:18:36 AM Yeah, I was thinking about that too... I'm imagining that every kindergarten would have a Jedi come in and talk to them about the Force, sort of like McGruff the Crime Dog coming in to talk to kids about drugs.
Then the Jedi would test them all for Force sensitivity, and anyone who tested positive either agreed to go to the Academy to take vows of celibacy, or got decapitated on the spot. (I'm just assuming that's the only other option since the prequels give no indication of any non-Jedi Force wielders being allowed to live peacefully and openly.) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Johny Cee on November 16, 2015, 10:11:09 AM Well, yeah. But I assume also that the Empire has dumped a lot of propaganda into rubbishing the idea of the Force--that it was all a lot of flim-flam and trickery, etc., exposed by our Dear Leader when the Jedi moved to seize power. But 20 years just doesn't work as a time frame for the Jedi to fade into legend completely, at least on the major centers of Galactic civilization (Coruscant, for example). Exactly. It fits the facts: Obviously the Imperial propaganda campaign was that Jedi were frauds (as seen by the guy mouthing off to Vader). The Rebels ended everything with "may the force be with you" which was probably adopted solely as a counter to Imperial propaganda. Jedi were really really rare. In Phantom Menace, if there were a bunch of Jedi everywhere, then Liam Neeson could have just called up the local Jedi rep on Tatooine and arranged transport instead of the whackadoodle bet on a five-year old pod racer to finance your ship repairs. If Jedi were common, the Trade Federation would have known trying to gas them was dumb. If Jedi were common, why wasn't there a pile of them already in Naboo? Also, Anakin killed off all the students, right? There were like a dozen kids in a room. The bulk of the Jedi fighting in the war was also with clones and against droids. Neither of those groups are going to talk about shit unless their controllers order them to. Didn't episode 2 say that the Order took major losses in that fight? And we only saw a few hundred Jedi show up. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 16, 2015, 10:19:19 AM It's believable that the small handful of force wielders in the OT might have been dismissed as myths, since so few people saw them do their magic. If we take the prequels as canon, though, it hasn't been that long since armies of wizards roamed the galaxy, with a school at the capital where they taught people magic. It also looked like every military unit had one at its head (cf order 66). Being older than Luke, it actually makes no sense for Han to be skeptical of the Force, since he grew up in a time when Jedi were like goddamn cockroaches. The Jedi were already falling at the start of the OT. There were only 10,000 at the time of Phantom Menace according to the EP1 "visual dictionary" and that was when GL was back into caring about shit instead of licensing just for money so it can be considered pretty canon for a reference. Given that the galaxy had one billion inhabited star systems and the Empire only encompassed Seventy Million of those, there weren't Jedi on every corner and by a long shot. They were already becoming legends at the time of TPM. The chance of encountering one outside of the core worlds would have been about 1: 100,000,000,000. You've got a better shot winning the lottery. The statement about Jedi on Tatooine by Watto was bad writing meant to be referencing a legend. Like you or I saying, "Who do you think you are, Superman?" Just because you reference something doesn't mean you think it's real or plausible. None of this covers Han's skepticism, since he grew up on Corellia which was part of the Core Worlds. But hey, they're just movies. If you're expecting competent world building from pulp sci-fi then you've got more invested than the guy with the Yoda mug who just spent 20 mins researching to write this post up. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Fordel on November 16, 2015, 10:49:49 AM Yea, the scale of Star Wars should never be underestimated. Like what's the number they chuck around for how many fucking Star Destroyers the empire has?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 11:14:23 AM If they have a giant headquarters on the main capital world, and the government routinely uses them as ambassadors and generals, they are not "legends" in the same way that Yoda and Obi-Wan were when they went into hiding in the boonies. I don't care about scale; there's only one Dalai Lama and everyone knows who he is even if they haven't met him personally, because he's a public figure. Ditto the Pope. And they don't even have that many magic powers to make them interesting; imagine if they could move shit with their minds instead of just being able to reincarnate and sanctify water and stuff.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 16, 2015, 11:16:30 AM Most of us don't believe the Dali Lami has magical powers (though believers do, basically).
Additionally, the US to China is a much smaller distance than from one side of a galaxy to another. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 11:28:56 AM Most of us don't believe the Dali Lami has magical powers (though believers do, basically). Right, but you still know who he is, regardless. Now imagine if he could literally move things with his mind, implant suggestions into other people's heads, see the future, etc. And he did these things openly and repeatedly, probably with recorded video evidence (given how indiscreet the Jedi were in the prequels it's literally impossible that there wasn't plenty of contemporary video footage of them doing all this shit, even if Wookieepedia or whatever claims otherwise). And he took students to teach them to do the same things. No rational person would disbelieve these powers, even if they hadn't witnessed them personally. It'd be like not believing in evolution, or the moon landing. Shit, let's use the moon landing as our example. We haven't been to the moon since before most of us here were alive. And there weren't that many moon landings. Certainly none of us here has been to the moon personally. Anyone here not aware that humans went to the moon? Anyone? How about those of us who were old enough to have actually seen it on TV? Have you guys forgotten about the moon landing because it was so long ago? Like, entire decades? If so, congratulations, your memory is as bad as Han Solo's. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 16, 2015, 11:36:23 AM But Han solo's skpeticism was abou The Force, not about Jedi. The conversation here is kind of tying both together, but there's a lot of people who believe in a Man in the Sky, but I sure as hell don't. Doesn't mean I think Catholic Priests are also figments.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 16, 2015, 11:43:28 AM Again: terrible world-building. Yes. Why does it matter, it's not high-art and literature it's pulp sci-fi by the Mouse and a guy who was more about merchandising than storytelling.
I have no need to dissect the story with such a blade any more than I need to analyze Anna and Elsa's parental relationships. Hell let's discuss what shitty parents their mother and father were. We can start here: http://notanotherdadblog.com/10-reasons-elsa-anna-frozen-terrible-parents/ Or how about how Gilligan should have been murdered about two months after being trapped on the island because he was the obvious problem with rescue. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 11:53:19 AM But Han solo's skpeticism was abou The Force, not about Jedi. The conversation here is kind of tying both together, but there's a lot of people who believe in a Man in the Sky, but I sure as hell don't. Doesn't mean I think Catholic Priests are also figments. If every single Catholic priest had visible and measurable magic powers, it would not make sense for you to believe in the existence of priests and not in the existence of their magic powers. Remember, it's not just high-ranking Jedi who can do the magic shit, and the magic shit is not stuff like exorcism where there are easy scientific explanations -- this is blatantly physics-defying stuff and every Jedi teenager can do it. I guess there is an in-universe explanation for everyone forgetting about all those magic powers, though -- the Emperor mind-tricked everyone. That was the real purpose of the giant satellite dish on the Death Star, it was to amplify his telepathic powers so he could reach throughout the Empire and make everyone forget the single most influential group of people in the galaxy. A few months before he met Luke, Han Solo had clear memories of being tested for midichlorians in grade school, but then the Death Star was finished and the Emperor wiped his brain. I completely agree with Merusk, btw, I just have more fun poking at these things than he does. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on November 16, 2015, 11:56:26 AM I dunno. I can swing this sort of stuff either way. There are things that twenty year olds today don't know at all that boggle my mind. Most of the ones I teach have barely heard of the Cold War, are sometimes not aware that there are still 15,000 nuclear missiles in the US and Russia. They don't really know much about the Vietnam War or Watergate. Many cultural figures whose names are readily known to anyone over 35 are not known to them. They know we've landed on the moon but many of them aren't very aware of the space shuttle program or of the Challenger and Columbia disasters. I've definitely been in communities in Africa where all this is even less known or remembered, including the moon landing. (I think not so much because nobody's ever heard it but because it's so irrelevant to life that they don't pay much attention to it.)
But yes, if there had been an order of military monks with powers beyond those of ordinary mortals, they'd probably be remembered. Unless some equally global power was working very hard to cover over the traces. And we don't get any sense of that from ANH and ESB. Part of the problem is really Tatooine. If it really were a total backwater far away from everything--the equivalent of being in Tashkent or Goma--then you could see Ben getting away with a bit of light Jedi-ness, and Luke not knowing anything about the Force, and Luke mooning around about how Biggs Darklighter gets to go to the Rebellion and all I get to do is Toshi Station, fuck you Uncle Owen. You could say the same about Han Solo--he's hanging around with a two-bit psycho like Jabba because he couldn't hack it at the Imperial Academy or whatever, he's a sort of lost soul who pretends to self-importance by talking shit about the Force. But then they go back to Tatooine again and then again again and it's hard to think of it as a flyspeck a trillion miles from anything that matters. Back on Coruscant, there should be plenty of people of the right age who are like, "Yeah, those asshole Jedi, one of them jumped on my taxi once while chasing some bounty hunter, I know the Emperor says we're not supposed to talk about them but it's not like I liked them anyway." I'm not sure there's ever been a world-building series of films/TV shows that have been built around rock-solid ideas from the start. Even Babylon 5 palpably was making shit up that doesn't jibe with the early episodes--I'm pretty sure JMS switched the Vorlons and Shadows to being Order and Chaos once people started to bitch about just how obvious the Lord of the Rings ripping off was becoming by mid-Season 2. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 16, 2015, 11:58:25 AM If every single Catholic priest had visible and measurable magic powers, it would not make sense for you to believe in the existence of priests and not in the existence of their magic powers. Remember, it's not just high-ranking Jedi who can do the magic shit, and the magic shit is not stuff like exorcism where there are easy scientific explanations -- this is blatantly physics-defying stuff and every Jedi teenager can do it. Not everyone is seeing it. There are plenty of people in the OT that believed in The Force. Hell, the Rebels say it all the time. But it's not crazy for people who aren't interacting with Jedi to not believe they can do that stuff. Especially when they've skirted everything that's been going on with the war. The galaxy is huge. It's not insane to think there are plenty of people that don't believe in it. Hell, we have people that think the world is Flat here. *Shrug* Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 12:16:17 PM Hell, we have people that think the world is Flat here. *Shrug* Well, exactly -- that's about the level of credibility I'd expect for NOT believing in Force abilities. That's why I used the moon landing as an example; people believe that was faked, and they say "well you weren't THERE so you don't know for certain," but there's such a preponderance of evidence that even though it's been decades since anyone's physically been to the moon, it's a complete fringe whacko belief to say that it never happened. That's what the prequel trilogy sets up when it shows Jedi as being so highly visible -- anyone in the OT who says they don't believe in Jedi powers is logically either a whacko or the victim of a mind wipe. Of course if you ignore the prequel trilogy and pretend that during that period of time there weren't a bunch of Jedi running around doing military/diplomatic/police work in public, Yoda was already in hiding, etc, things are free to make a lot more sense. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 16, 2015, 12:31:12 PM And Mr Slavemaster McJew says "Who do you think you are, a Jedi or something?" when Liam Nielson tries the Jedi mind trick on him, and then wastes a minute of screen time explaining why he is immune.
How come I remember these things despite only seeing the film once. AAAGHHH!!! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on November 16, 2015, 12:39:43 PM And Mr Slavemaster McJew says "Who do you think you are, a Jedi or something?" when Lian Neilsontries the jedi mind trick on him, and then wastes a minute of screen time explaining why he is immune. how come I remember these things despite only seeing the film once. AAAGHHH!!! I always thought that scene was bizarre. If you think this guy is a Jedi trying to swindling what the fuck are you doing business with him for? As if the mind trick is the only way he has to hose you. Either that or you think he is a nut case who is trying to pretend he is a Jedi. Either way, just tell him to fuck off. Then again, most of the plot of the prequels would have been short circuited if anyone in the galaxy behaved like anything other than a total idiot the entire time. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 16, 2015, 12:52:56 PM Again: terrible world-building. Yes. Why does it matter, it's not high-art and literature it's pulp sci-fi by the Mouse and a guy who was more about merchandising than storytelling. Just because it's pulp sci-fi doesn't mean there can't be good world-building. Of course, in this case, it's LOLLUCAS so yeah, it's very shitty world-building. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 16, 2015, 01:39:13 PM I completely agree with Merusk, btw, I just have more fun poking at these things than he does. :awesome_for_real: Nah I enjoy it, but only when it's obvious and deliberate. There is nothing other than a lazy framework for the basis of the story. Trying to dissect the details of a pulp property is the opposite of a Ron Swanson "Moby Dick is only about whaling." Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 16, 2015, 01:40:22 PM Quick Google Fu shows reasons why the story works, even if it isn't a story I like.
There were a bit more than 10,000 Jedi at the time of Phantom Menace through Clone Wars - then The Great Jedi Snuff eliminated most of them. 10,000 sounds like a lot, but is it? The FBI employs 35,000 people. How many people in the US have knowingly met an FBI employee? How many people in the world have? How many worlds are there in the Star Wars universe? Look up the population on the planet the Jedi Temple was located - Coruscant: 1 trillion people. About 150 times as many people than exist on Earth - and then there are the countless other planets out there.... I'd say the vast majority of people in the universe lived their lives without seeing a Jedi's parlor tricks. As such, they were more myth than fact when there were 10,000 of them. Then the purge cut their numbers down to 100-200 and they were all on the run and in hiding, effectively wiping them from existence (except Vader - one lone mysterious figure). Flash forward 20 something years to A New Hope - pretty much all Jedi are gone. Those that knew Jedi know they existed, but a lot of other people may not be so sure anymore. Granalak claims he saw a Jedi throw someone around with the force, but was it a parlor trick? Or is Granalak just full of %$@#? There are holos of the Jedi still lurking around dark channels, but the Empire eliminated most of the widely available holos... so are those dark network holos floating around out there fakes or not? We're 15 years out from 9/11 - why did the towers fall? What information is out there and what do people believe? Flash forward another 40 or so years to Force Awakens - It has been abut 60 (or more?) years since Jedi last flew around the cosmos (assuming that the Jedi Order was not restored between Jedi and Force) . Most people that knew Jedi have died like the Jedi before them. The remainder were mostly kids - and kids that knew Jedi might not be sure what they knew - and probably were taught that Jedi were bad or fakes. Historians and scholars probably have restored some records proving they existed and describing their lives - and deaths - but who cares? The universe has been fighting a civil war for decades. I buy it - but I don't like having it be the story they decided to tell. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 01:44:43 PM We're 15 years out from 9/11 - why did the towers fall? Because planes flew into them. Same as when we were 15 days out. :uhrr: This only underscores my belief that the timeline established by the prequels makes no sense whatsoever. Do planes still exist? Did they EVER exist? Who knows? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 16, 2015, 01:50:37 PM We're 15 years out from 9/11 - why did the towers fall? Because planes flew into them. Same as when we were 15 days out. :uhrr: This only underscores my belief that the timeline established by the prequels makes no sense whatsoever. Do planes still exist? Did they EVER exist? Who knows? If the existence of the Jedi is only supported by evidence that is about as prolific/solid as the "evidence" that the US government actually took down the towers, then both might be treated with equal levels of (dis)belief. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: NowhereMan on November 16, 2015, 02:35:27 PM I think the story does hold up but it basically requires a universe where people don't do anything like making movies, putting on theatre or writing stories because Jedi would absolutely have been a focus of a lot of those. It also requires no-one having easy access to visual recording devices because, as we now know, anyone anywhere near a Jedi going lightsaber happy would have been uploading that to ForceTube straight away. So it's possible but requires erasing a fundamental part of human nature (storytelling) that it is ironically a product of. And that is what is required just to get to 'yeah I guess maybe not many people saw one directly so people didn't know about them much beyond being the Republic's emissaries'.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on November 16, 2015, 03:46:53 PM We live in a world where Stalin spent the best part of 30 years getting rid of anyone who might have undermined or opposed his authority and regime, where Soviet censors airbrushed people out of photos, where artists and writers were taken away and executed and where the full extent of the Government sponsored atrocities weren't revealed until after Stalin's death in the 50s. And this was a Government we were allied with in 1945.
We still live in a world where states censor their peoples access to the internet, where bloggers are arrested for treason, where people are still "disappeared" by covert Government agents. We live in a world were even as recently as 2010, politicians proposed to revise the history books in the way they wanted to make sure children only got taught a sanitized version of history. That's in Texas by the way - I believe the books are being used now but kids won't be taught about the Jim Crow laws or the KKK and the role of slavery as a reason for the Civil War will be downplayed. Yet despite all this, people have a hard time believing that a facist regime which was technologically advanced enough to build a weapon that could destroy a planet - which they quite happily did (and let's face it, even Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair would have difficulty spinning that away) - might have been able to all but remove the existence of the Jedi from the history books and make it illegal to teach or discuss that traitorous cult who started and manipulated the Clone Wars? Do you not remember what happened to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru? :oh_i_see: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Johny Cee on November 16, 2015, 03:51:20 PM I think the story does hold up but it basically requires a universe where people don't do anything like making movies, putting on theatre or writing stories because Jedi would absolutely have been a focus of a lot of those. It also requires no-one having easy access to visual recording devices because, as we now know, anyone anywhere near a Jedi going lightsaber happy would have been uploading that to ForceTube straight away. So it's possible but requires erasing a fundamental part of human nature (storytelling) that it is ironically a product of. And that is what is required just to get to 'yeah I guess maybe not many people saw one directly so people didn't know about them much beyond being the Republic's emissaries'. Lightsabers really don't have anything to do with the Force, though. That's just technology. (I think EU/retcons directly linked it to the Force later, but Ep IV Han was like "meh" and Empire Han used it to open up the tonton.) Lightsabers are just stupid (if you can't see the future with the Force) since you'd probably cut off pieces of yourself really, really quickly. Most of the Jedi magic tricks aren't really that impressive if you are talking about a society with tech bordering on magic in the first place. - Jedi mind trick? Go to a hypnosis show now. - Force jump? You have people using different kinds of rocket packs/belts, and I'm sure there is anti-gravity floating around. - Force push? You already have various kinds of tractor beams in universe. - Lightning? You have high technology blasters that can shoot through metal doors, I'm sure they can rig up a portable taser. Even if you had ForceTube, that shit would have been pretty thoroughly censored in the 20+ years post-Clone War. Look at the average Russian's beliefs about what is going on in the Ukraine, or news stories about when Chinese university students get shown videos/coverage from the democracy protests leading up to Tiananmen. The only really impressive Jedi power is that whole precognition thing, and that doesn't show up in a video. You can search YouTube now for one of those martial artist "ki throwing" (think that's what it is?) videos and see the martial arts master knocking his students over by waving his hands at them. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on November 16, 2015, 04:55:35 PM Absolutely nothing of interest happened in Tianeman Square in 1989. The fictional sci-fi movie footage of protests there are obvious fakes, not even very good ones.
The stuff Jedi did isn't a patch on what people in North Korea believe the various Dear Leaders have done, and they have more evidence. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goreschach on November 16, 2015, 05:29:08 PM Jet fuel can't met cortosis weave.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Fabricated on November 16, 2015, 05:46:14 PM Didn't read a word of this thread.
Was bored and watched RLM's shocking unironic speculation vid and I wonder if they might actually kill John Boyega. You think people would flip their shit over that for really dumb reasons? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 16, 2015, 06:05:49 PM You think people would flip their shit over that for really dumb reasons? Even if I didn't know what you were talking about, the answer to that is always yes. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 16, 2015, 06:21:12 PM You think people would flip their shit over that for really dumb reasons? Even if I didn't know what you were talking about, the answer to that is always yes. (http://i.imgur.com/wnIaRyJ.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on November 16, 2015, 10:34:33 PM hey guise, what's happening in this thre -
Even if you had ForceTube, that shit would have been pretty thoroughly censored in the 20+ years post-Clone War. Oh...never mind. Edit: I make fun, but the idea that events so significant and so recent would achieve mythical / urban legend status really is very silly. "The Legend of How Han Solo and Luke Skywalker Defeated the Empire and Blew Up Not One But Two Death Stars" might be myth in 3000 years, but certainly not 30. Maybe all the oldsters were frozen in carbonite for eons or some shit. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 17, 2015, 05:45:47 AM I'll just file this thread in the same pile on how the Soviet Union manages to completely obliterate all memory of Christianity and Trotsky and the Chinese managed to obliterate all memory of Buddism and the Dali Lama over longer periods than 20 years....
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on November 17, 2015, 05:51:24 AM This is a universe where crowds on Coruscant were aware of and celebrating events at Endor on the same day the emperor got his.
It doesn't make sense unless you just pretend the prequels never happened. The Jedi were all but wiped out by a mysterious thing, generations before Star Wars. See? Everything is better now. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on November 17, 2015, 06:46:12 AM Most of these issues are because of the damned prequels. Lucas didn't give a second's thought to what he was doing. He just wanted spectacle.
That said, prior to the prequels I remember some EU sources basically flat out saying the Emperor spent years wiping out every trace of the Jedi he could and using propaganda to discredit everything they'd done as basically parlor tricks on a gullible populous and edited holovids and stuff. It's really not that unbelievable that it would work. The Jedi, as have been pointed out were a tiny, tiny part of the population. On Coruscant alone Jedi were 0.000001% of the population. (give or take a 0. ) Expand that out to the galaxy and most people know the Jedi only by legend and story even when they were out and about doing stuff. Once they've been gone for 20 years and a purge of all knowledge of them happens then it's easy to see people from Luke's generation thinking they were only myths from the start. Han would've been 12-15 during the prequels I think so while he was alive at the time and probably saw news video, odds are good he never saw a Jedi and once the Empire declared it was all trickery and scams he was probably like "I knew it!" Sure, the Jedi were leading clone armies but, assuming some war video was shown, it was just guys twirling laser swords most of the time. And bluntly? Think about how quickly people get bored of news video of battles that aren't taking place where they are. Most citizens of the galaxy probably thought of the clone wars as "something over there, but who cares, the price of blue milk is up! What the hell Chancellor Palpatine?!?!?!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 17, 2015, 07:26:35 AM This is a universe where crowds on Coruscant were aware of and celebrating events at Endor on the same day the emperor got his. It doesn't make sense unless you just pretend the prequels never happened. The Jedi were all but wiped out by a mysterious thing, generations before Star Wars. See? Everything is better now. Knowledge of galactic events is far different from knowledge of a minority population of those events. Quick, who was the battlefront leader of the push into Kirkuk when the Kurds retook the town this year. You don't know? So how do you know it happened? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 17, 2015, 09:54:11 AM We live in a world where Stalin spent the best part of 30 years getting rid of anyone who might have undermined or opposed his authority and regime, where Soviet censors airbrushed people out of photos, where artists and writers were taken away and executed and where the full extent of the Government sponsored atrocities weren't revealed until after Stalin's death in the 50s. And this was a Government we were allied with in 1945. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0b5hlpd2cE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0b5hlpd2cE) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 17, 2015, 03:02:17 PM If you want, you can also factor in all the language barriers as so many different languages are spoken... oh wait, everyone seems to understand everyone no matter what language they speak in Star Wars, I forgot.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on November 17, 2015, 07:58:20 PM Most of these issues are because of the damned prequels. Lucas didn't give a second's thought to what he was doing. He just wanted spectacle. Yep. In the originals it seemed like the Jedi has not existed in hundreds of years, but then according the prequels they are active and well-known just like 15 years earlier. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: DraconianOne on November 18, 2015, 02:09:42 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0b5hlpd2cE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0b5hlpd2cE) Win! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on November 18, 2015, 03:02:06 AM Most of these issues are because of the damned prequels. Lucas didn't give a second's thought to what he was doing. He just wanted spectacle. Yep. In the originals it seemed like the Jedi has not existed in hundreds of years, but then according the prequels they are active and well-known just like 15 years earlier. From the originals we know that Vader hunted down the Jedi, that he's Luke's father, that Luke is probably in his early 20's, and we can assume that Vader hadn't already been killing Jedi for decades when he had Luke. I don't think it's the timeline that the prequels fuck with, it's the scale. If the Jedi were a small order scattered across the galaxy, and if the Clone Wars were just some local war going on that Obi-Wan pitched in with rather than a massive historical event that dozens of Jedi took part in as generals and such, then you could have Vader hunt them down one by one over the past 20 years without it being something the galaxy at large took notice of. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on November 18, 2015, 03:14:46 AM Yeah, if you have Obi Wan and Vader still alive, it kinds of fucks your 'It was Ages Ago' narrative. Yoda maybe lives for 900 years, but that pair not so much.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on November 18, 2015, 04:37:37 AM Well, now that I think on it, who is the main source of a statement about how long ago it was, etc? It's Obi-Wan in ANH in his little house, when he first has a conversation with Luke. First off, we know by ROTJ that Obi-Wan is lying his head off in that scene, manipulating Luke in all sorts of ways. We also know Luke is an unusually sheltered and somewhat stupid young man who knows almost nothing about the wider universe.
Second person we hear talk about the Jedi is Han Solo, and it's his attitude that is a bit hard to reconcile with the prequel history. But we could just chalk it up to Han being a cocky asshole. On screen, there is very little else that we hear about the recent history of the galaxy and the Jedi. Leia knows about the Clone Wars and Obi-Wan's past--she says as much in her holographic message to Obi-Wan. The Rebels believe in the Force but we never really see Rebel leaders talking with Luke about his incipient Jedi-hood. Jabba mocks the idea of Luke being a Jedi but he doesn't say anything more comprehensive about the history of the Jedi, really. The Imperial officers in ANH including Tarkin take it for granted that the Jedi are all dead now and at least one doesn't really believe in the Force, which suggests that the Emperor is continuing to keep the Force under wraps. (Not that Vader is helping much with that, however: that's the most inconsistent thing, because I sincerely doubt that Vader has not been Force-choking Imperial officers until suddenly in ANH he gets a taste for it. Why Admiral Motti is willing to mock Vader is kind of a mystery when you look back on it.) Actually the most MOST inconsistent thing, and it's entirely due to the stupidity of the prequels, is that when Han says, "I don't believe in the Force", Chewbacca should yell at him, "Hey, dumbass, I worked with Yoda in the past, don't be an idiot." We never really get anything like a normal civilian's point of view on any of this. I would guess that on Alderaan, Coruscant, Corellia, etc., the truth is pretty well known to people. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on November 18, 2015, 04:41:52 AM Yup, it's actually quite the clusterfuck.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 18, 2015, 07:16:29 AM Chewbacca has to keep Yoda (and the few remaining Jedi) safe; the Wookie are one of the smartest races in the damned galaxy... he wouldn't just yell out to Han "brrrwwwwww.... yo bro! I worked with Yoda! The Force is real!" Cmon man. Especially to a goddamned smuggler scoundrel (even though they're best friends).
As for Boyega being killed off; I used to think it was a given, if not due to the loss of revenue of just having a black Jedi main character to begin with. But really, the franchise doesn't need the money. Truthfully, they have the kind of carte blanche now to really do a lot more with the world if they wanted to... ala Roddenberry. I think what you're seeing now is that actually happening with the next few movies. So no, Boyega will stay alive but likely won't be a focus. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on November 18, 2015, 07:18:33 AM I think you can reasonably reconcile all of the 3 acceptable movies with jedi having been very rare and entirely without a formal role in society for a long time, then vader hunted them from very rare to near extinction. Leia speaks of Obi Wan as an effective republic general who might have powers she doesn't understand - not as a member of a highly visible space wizard corps. Some/all Jedi fought in the clone wars, but Obi Wan doesn't tell us they provided the entire staff officer cadre of the republic forces.
Nobody in the 3 films implies the jedi organisation had any institutional role in recent history. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 18, 2015, 07:35:56 AM So no, Boyega will stay alive but likely won't be a focus. Wishful thinking on your part? Nothing at all points to him playing a minimal role in the movies. God I don't even know if it's racism but the amount of hate Boyega is getting online is beyond stupid..."he can't be a jedi" "he's just holding the saber" "they will kill him off" "he will play a minor role" are you fucking serious, why? What makes people think any of that? There is literally no information to base those assumptions on other than some sort of wishful thinking. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 18, 2015, 08:06:21 AM Boyega is the new Jedi. You hold a lightsaber on the poster, you're a Jedi.
He's even gone so far as to say in a Hollywood Reporter interview that JJ told him he's the new star. Folks like to use Daisy Rei's prominence on the poster against Boyega, but she's central because she's the point of conflict. Han & Leia's kid most likely and going to be Force-sensitive and at the center of the Light vs Dark conflict, represented by Boyega's Finn & Kylo Ren. People who have problems with this can deal now. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 18, 2015, 08:20:39 AM Just to toss it on the fire: There were people assigned the task of managing the continuity for Star Wars from 1991 to 2012 - the films, the books, the video games, all of it. They had a multiple tier structure and put a huge amount of effort into maintaining logical sense and contuity to their universe. There was a lot of effort to make sure everything released between 1991 and 2012/2014 - including the 3 prequels - made logical sense and did not conflict with other existing material. There were failures, but there was a huge effort to make sure things like the general knowledge of jedi in the universe and the specific knowledge of Jedi by specific characters made sense.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 18, 2015, 08:23:08 AM Man, if that's true I'd be ashamed to be one of the people who worked on that. Like being the fire inspector on the Hindenburg.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on November 18, 2015, 08:24:17 AM Man, if that's true I'd be ashamed to be one of the people who worked on that. Like being the fire inspector on the Hindenburg. It's probably more like you tried your best but Lucas really fucked you up. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 18, 2015, 08:27:23 AM Man, if that's true I'd be ashamed to be one of the people who worked on that. Like being the fire inspector on the Hindenburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon)Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 18, 2015, 08:33:14 AM Boyega is the new Jedi. You hold a lightsaber on the poster, you're a Jedi. He's even gone so far as to say in a Hollywood Reporter interview that JJ told him he's the new star. Folks like to use Daisy Rei's prominence on the poster against Boyega, but she's central because she's the point of conflict. Han & Leia's kid most likely and going to be Force-sensitive and at the center of the Light vs Dark conflict, represented by Boyega's Finn & Kylo Ren. People who have problems with this can deal now. Well it's canon that Han had a relationship/wife with a dark skinned smuggler woman so I'm betting Boyega is his son and Rey is Luke's kid. Also every poster so far suggests she is taking the heel turn or at the very least going to be drifting towards the dark side and in need of redemption by the end of the movies. Feel free to point this out but this is how I'm calling it. Finn is the Jedi, Kylo Ren is NOT a strong force user if at all just a Vader wannabe, Rey becomes main antagonist/disciple of. Last movie is Rey v Finn. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 18, 2015, 08:40:13 AM Man, if that's true I'd be ashamed to be one of the people who worked on that. Like being the fire inspector on the Hindenburg. It's probably more like you tried your best but Lucas really fucked you up. Or in other words, the fates of everyone of the ancillary guys who worked on the prequels but Lucas himself. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 18, 2015, 08:42:58 AM Man, if that's true I'd be ashamed to be one of the people who worked on that. Like being the fire inspector on the Hindenburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon)There wasn't a Department at Lucasfilm, it was the job of 2-3 people, one of whom was put in charge of it when Disney acquired them and DID establish a group. He's the guy who said, "scrap it all." Leland Chee, he's a hero. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 18, 2015, 09:04:21 AM Feel free to point this out but this is how I'm calling it. Finn is the Jedi, Kylo Ren is NOT a strong force user if at all just a Vader wannabe, Rey becomes main antagonist/disciple of. Last movie is Rey v Finn. I doubt this simply because I can't believe that in a Star Wars movie they'd make the pretty girl the bad guy. Maybe if she gets her face burned off first a la Vader? :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on November 18, 2015, 09:11:06 AM I still have a sneaky suspicion that Isaacs character becomes the bad guy.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on November 18, 2015, 09:55:21 AM There's already been a spoiler about Boyega's character and parentage;
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 18, 2015, 10:27:52 AM That was an Amazon seller, and turned out to be a false title/description.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 18, 2015, 10:46:33 AM Brienne of Tarth is our female antagonist. I don't expect her to die until the 3rd movie or the end of the 2nd.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Fabricated on November 18, 2015, 11:24:14 AM So no, Boyega will stay alive but likely won't be a focus. Wishful thinking on your part? Nothing at all points to him playing a minimal role in the movies. God I don't even know if it's racism but the amount of hate Boyega is getting online is beyond stupid..."he can't be a jedi" "he's just holding the saber" "they will kill him off" "he will play a minor role" are you fucking serious, why? What makes people think any of that? There is literally no information to base those assumptions on other than some sort of wishful thinking. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 18, 2015, 11:27:48 AM Actually I think it looks like Han's...
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on November 18, 2015, 12:15:30 PM There is a commercial with Rey and Finn in the snow against Kylo. Not a terrible assumption Kylo fucks Finn up in that scene.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 18, 2015, 12:20:56 PM So after all the commercials, promotion and merchandise that have been put out there, they are just gonna kill Finn off in the first movie? Sorry but the bullshit meter is off the charts there which is again some sort of wishful thinking on the part of people wishing he wasn't the main character. If anyone dies this movie it's Han Solo.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Pennilenko on November 18, 2015, 12:22:52 PM So after all the commercials, promotion and merchandise that have been put out there, they are just gonna kill Finn off in the first movie? Sorry but the bullshit meter is off the charts there which is again some sort of wishful thinking on the part of people wishing he wasn't the main character. If anyone dies this movie it's Han Solo. I can totally picture Ford telling them that he is too old for this shit and that they better make it so nobody expects him to be in the following movies. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on November 18, 2015, 12:24:11 PM In a recent interview, I think it was on Conan, he said that looking back he's glad that they didn't kill Han in Empire.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 18, 2015, 12:31:43 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUswgEuRgVY
Freeze frame the scene where she is crying. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 18, 2015, 12:52:35 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUswgEuRgVY Freeze frame the scene where she is crying. Only thing I saw was bigfoot in the grassy knoll. Seriously, how do you make anything out of that 1 second freeze frame? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 18, 2015, 01:04:06 PM Only thing I saw was bigfoot in the grassy knoll. That's Chewbacca. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 18, 2015, 06:05:37 PM It's either Chewie or Han. You can see grey hair to the right.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on November 18, 2015, 06:09:38 PM Harrison Ford was very clear that if Han doesn't die in this one, he wasn't going to do it.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on November 18, 2015, 09:08:23 PM Finn TV spot. Definitely the Jedi.
http://youtu.be/NJXEHh0aIm0 Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 18, 2015, 09:22:56 PM I'm really trying not to get hyped like a little fanboi squeeing punk, but I'm failing.
Gonna be a long 30 days. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 18, 2015, 10:06:44 PM I still like the theory that Finn is a "normal" (not Force sensitive) dude who just happens to have gotten his hands on Luke's lightsaber, mostly because that would make for an interesting story that we haven't done before, as opposed to "get lightsaber, become Jedi, fight bad thing". Of course, I also liked SWG better back when it was just SimBeru. But yeah, from that trailer it looks like we're following the standard formula.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on November 19, 2015, 04:28:17 AM (http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/1/4/416314_v1.jpg)
:awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on November 19, 2015, 04:40:53 AM Finn TV spot. Definitely the Jedi. http://youtu.be/NJXEHh0aIm0 He's not a jedi, he's just got a light saber. His card in the CCG that got leaked, released early, whatever doesn't have any of the little symbols or verbiage that say the character can use the force that all the force sensitive characters have. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 19, 2015, 05:34:18 AM Honest Trailer - Star Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsb9ZTmbSKQ The original sucks, here's the flaws. Stop ignoring them. :drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on November 19, 2015, 06:23:12 AM Finn TV spot. Definitely the Jedi. http://youtu.be/NJXEHh0aIm0 He's not a jedi, he's just got a light saber. His card in the CCG that got leaked, released early, whatever doesn't have any of the little symbols or verbiage that say the character can use the force that all the force sensitive characters have. The symbols denote group affiliation Jedi/Sith/Rebel and not necessarily force sensitivity, otherwise R2-D2 is now force sensitive as well, since he has the jedi symbol on his card. Edit: And stormtroopers have the sith symbol on their cards. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 19, 2015, 07:15:20 AM Finn TV spot. Definitely the Jedi. http://youtu.be/NJXEHh0aIm0 He's not a jedi, he's just got a light saber. His card in the CCG that got leaked, released early, whatever doesn't have any of the little symbols or verbiage that say the character can use the force that all the force sensitive characters have. The symbols denote group affiliation Jedi/Sith/Rebel and not necessarily force sensitivity, otherwise R2-D2 is now force sensitive as well, since he has the jedi symbol on his card. Edit: And stormtroopers have the sith symbol on their cards. BAM! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 19, 2015, 08:01:52 AM Also, it's not without precedent.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper_lightsaber Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on November 19, 2015, 08:11:10 AM Feel free to point this out but this is how I'm calling it. Finn is the Jedi, Kylo Ren is NOT a strong force user if at all just a Vader wannabe, Rey becomes main antagonist/disciple of. Last movie is Rey v Finn. I doubt this simply because I can't believe that in a Star Wars movie they'd make the pretty girl the bad guy. Maybe if she gets her face burned off first a la Vader? :awesome_for_real: I doubt it as well. Clearly Rey and Finn are the two main stars. Also, if any new cast member dies it will likely be Oscar Issac's as he seems to be the least important of the new characters if the trailers are anything to go by. Let's not forget, also that Luke had his moments of anger and lashing out. My belief is that Rey is going to be taking a journey similar to Luke's and Finn will likely be our new Han. This film will be his redemption story from Stormtrooper to hero. I don't believe he is going to be a Jedi, I think him holding the lightsaber is a misdirect but I could be wrong. My prediction is he gets his ass whipped in the forest and Rey takes up the saber to defend him against Kylo Ren. She probably goes dangerously close to the dark side but Luke helps pull her back. I also predict that forest scene is roughly midway into the movie and is a turning point for several characters. I'm probably totally wrong but we'll see! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 19, 2015, 09:15:26 AM I doubt it as well. Clearly Rey and Finn are the two main stars. Also, if any new cast member dies it will likely be Oscar Issac's as he seems to be the least important of the new characters if the trailers are anything to go by. Let's not forget, also that Luke had his moments of anger and lashing out. My belief is that Rey is going to be taking a journey similar to Luke's and Finn will likely be our new Han. This film will be his redemption story from Stormtrooper to hero. I don't believe he is going to be a Jedi, I think him holding the lightsaber is a misdirect but I could be wrong. My prediction is he gets his ass whipped in the forest and Rey takes up the saber to defend him against Kylo Ren. She probably goes dangerously close to the dark side but Luke helps pull her back. I also predict that forest scene is roughly midway into the movie and is a turning point for several characters. I'm probably totally wrong but we'll see! I'm ok with all this... stay tuned I guess. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on November 20, 2015, 07:56:16 AM New TV ad with Finn stuff in it makes it look a lot like he's got some Jedi going on. He is not just swinging away with the lightsaber like Random Fighting Guy #3.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on November 20, 2015, 08:09:12 AM But he's fighting another trooper, right ? And he was a trooper ? So they both have 'swing swordy' training, right ?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 20, 2015, 11:01:16 AM But he's fighting another trooper, right ? And he was a trooper ? So they both have 'swing swordy' training, right ? Wait, stormtrooper... training... what? :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on November 20, 2015, 02:44:03 PM I don't think Finn is even a stormtrooper. He might be a apy trying to get away.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on November 23, 2015, 11:54:03 AM New TV ad with Finn stuff in it makes it look a lot like he's got some Jedi going on. He is not just swinging away with the lightsaber like Random Fighting Guy #3. It's hard to tell from those spots but it looks like he is fighting a trooper that has some kind of forcefield covered version of the baton you'd see used by the police. My guess is they've got training in that kind of thing and Finn is able to use the lightsaber much like a "civilian" would but he doesn't have the Force. It's just a gut feeling though. If he turns out to be Force Sensitive then that's cool. Though something really funny occurred to me based on some rumors. Potential spoiler about Finn's ancestry to follow! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on November 23, 2015, 12:25:47 PM And JJ could have another brother/sister kiss if it turns out Rey is Han and Leia's kid... half-borther/sister kiss... but still.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 23, 2015, 12:32:04 PM Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on November 24, 2015, 11:00:27 AM Not sure if this has been posted in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-PdhARgL0c
Lucas on why he isn't involved with the sequels. TL;DR they're making movies for the fans and not the highbrow soap opera they should be making. Talk about a guy who bought fully into his own bullshit. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on November 24, 2015, 11:06:25 AM To be fair, the acting in the prequels was pretty much soap opera acting.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 24, 2015, 12:05:02 PM He can go fuck himself. After the prequels almost spoiled the franchise for me completely, I'm more than happy to not see the stories he wanted to tell on screen.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lantyssa on November 24, 2015, 12:09:18 PM Please, soaps have more advanced acting.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 24, 2015, 02:33:46 PM Wife told me to avoid Facebook because something regarding Luke is trending and it's spoilery. This does not make me pleased, I don't want shit spoiled for me.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on November 24, 2015, 02:37:58 PM I heard that there's a time travel plot twist a la nuTrek and it turns out that Luke is Jar Jar's father.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on November 24, 2015, 02:40:08 PM I heard that there's a time travel plot twist a la nuTrek and it turns out that Luke is Jar Jar's father. Well, Jar-Jar was Sith....https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w (https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w)Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: pants on November 24, 2015, 05:59:53 PM Wife told me to avoid Facebook because something regarding Luke is trending and it's spoilery. This does not make me pleased, I don't want shit spoiled for me. Yup, its getting into avoid-the-entire-internet territory soon. You know the spoilering is going to make snapekilleddumbledore.com look like child's play. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on November 24, 2015, 06:05:23 PM I've started trying to avoid even the trailers anymore. I really want to see this thing as fresh as possible.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on November 24, 2015, 11:13:01 PM I hesitate even opening this fucking thread.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on November 25, 2015, 02:05:24 AM This is one thing I really don't trust Abrams with.
Make a cool star wars adventure with new characters? Sure. Throw in a cameo role for old versions of OT characters? OK. Make one of them the central twist of your plot or do something to challenge our view of Luke or Leia? Hmm, not convinced this team is going to be able to sell that. The obvious possible twist based on those trailers.... I find it really hard to imagine a JJ Abrams film selling that, but not at all difficilt to imagine him trying. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on November 25, 2015, 05:57:33 AM Kasdan and Arndt were also writers. I have hopes that if there is a twist Kasdan helped to craft it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on November 25, 2015, 07:05:59 AM I wonder if Boyega's accent goes from British (imp) to American (reb) as the movie goes on. And Rey's does the opposite. That'd actually be kinda cool.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on November 25, 2015, 09:27:57 AM Kasdan and Arndt were also writers. I have hopes that if there is a twist Kasdan helped to craft it. I think we've done this in more detail earlier in the thread, but it has been 30 years since Kasdan wrote a good script. The guy has retired. So we can hope, but I'm going in with my script expectations set to 'Director wrote own screenplay as he went along'. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on November 26, 2015, 09:50:04 PM The Luke thing is less spoilery than watching any of the trailers.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on December 12, 2015, 07:00:39 AM Been working on my kids subtly for a year and now their ready.
I've seen every version of the good three. But it's been a long while. Which version now available, on media on streaming, has the best quality and is the closest to the original vision (ideally a Han-shot-first version). Not so worried about future-proofing for 4K, but that would be a nice to have. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 12, 2015, 10:32:07 AM None are available on legal streaming, you can find the SE versions a few places but they're only a takedown notice away from being gone. There's digital HD editions that came out in April but meh. I'm still a physical copy kinda guy. Plus it's $89 for the full set and at that price for digital media I say, "nay."
The HD digital and Blu-Ray set you can get on Amazon for $40 are the specialized blu-ray editions with Hayden Christensen as Anakin, and the HORRIBLE edit of Vader yelling "Nooooo" (dubbed from EPIII) as he rescues Luke from Palpatine. Seriously. I wish I was fucking with you there. No 4k editions have been released at all. Only ONE set in the Post-VHS era has come out with the OT theatrical release alongside the Special Editions. You can find this set for ~$150 on Amazon via third parties but need to know which edition you're looking for: the 2006 version. It's the Gold limited-edition box with a bonus disk for each movie. It wasn't a boxed set, you have to find each individual movie. I've got it and it's the only copy I watch when I want a fix. I'm too worried my old VHS copies will crumble at this point since they're 25 years old. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on December 12, 2015, 11:00:17 AM Awesome thanks, will take a look.
I'm ok with a digital version if it's 4K, but that doesn't sound like it's possible. And I'm totally ok paying for it. Shit, did it in every other format that came along, might as well again :oh_i_see: Any idea if the one on Amazon Prime and iTunes is a) the same; and, b) the bullshit version with Christiansen? The part that always jumps out of me as just plain wrong is I think it's Ep 4 when Vader is tromping in the hallway. In the original he's all angry saying "bring my shuttle". In the new version it's some stupid longer speech where James Earl Jones sounded like he was trying to be scheme-y. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 12, 2015, 01:37:24 PM The Prime and iTunes versions are the same, and yes it's the one with Christensen as Vader at the end of Jedi. That's the last version Lucas approved to be released so until he's dead that's all we're going to get as a retail release.
Yes, he sold the IP but he still gets final say over what editions of the original are out there. This is the reason Disney hasn't released a Blu-Ray of the unedited OT even though they KNOW it'd be money-hats. I agree with the alteration of the, 'bring me my shuttle,' line. It doesn't fit the tone of the scene right as the more terse version displays how pissed Vader is. "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival" is far too thoughtful for that moment. That it's been scabbed onto Empire with video* from Jedi makes it even worse because the exact same scene less than 30 minutes later if you watch them back to back. * ed: Audio was overdubbed, it was the video I was thinking of. Though the audio IS terrible. It's apparently either a JEJ impersonator who also did Maul's voice or JEJ sounds much worse because he's 25 years older when the line was recorded. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on December 13, 2015, 08:14:04 AM Go find a copy of the despecialized edition.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 13, 2015, 01:57:38 PM Got my ticket for the 16th at 5.30pm. My local theater will also show it at 10.30am (yep, AM not PM :grin: ; and by looking at the bookings, it's almost a full house at that time too) beside the usual evening slots.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on December 13, 2015, 04:37:21 PM I got tickets for a dine in theatre on Friday in the afternoon.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 13, 2015, 04:49:16 PM Imax and both theaters in driving distance are sold out for the first 3 days, all shows. That is fucking crazy. We do actually have a lot of gamers and comic nerds in this area though.. but still.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 13, 2015, 05:02:28 PM I am in west bumfuck, Kansas, and the local theaters are sold out until Saturday.
--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on December 13, 2015, 06:31:21 PM Imax and both theaters in driving distance are sold out for the first 3 days, all shows. That is fucking crazy. We do actually have a lot of gamers and comic nerds in this area though.. but still. Star Wars excitement extends beyond the simplistic "gamers and comic nerds", hence why it's already breaking box office records without even opening yet. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 13, 2015, 06:38:04 PM Breaking is an understatement. It shattered the previous presage record by being 10x larger.
If you don't have a ticket by now the chances of getting one are slim. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 14, 2015, 03:57:15 AM Got my ticket for the 16th at 5.30pm. My local theater will also show it at 10.30am (yep, AM not PM :grin: ; and by looking at the bookings, it's almost a full house at that time too) beside the usual evening slots. Hah, I'm gonna see it 10 minutes earlier than you sucka! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 14, 2015, 04:45:51 AM Breaking is an understatement. It shattered the previous presage record by being 10x larger. If you don't have a ticket by now the chances of getting one are slim. Yep, I purchased two one month ago, although SW hype here in Italy isn't comparable to US of A's one :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rendakor on December 14, 2015, 06:12:48 AM I'm excited but have no desire to deal with crowds of unwashed masses; I'll give it a week or so then go see it. Not really worried about spoilers since SW isn't really about clever storytelling.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 14, 2015, 09:30:17 AM My boss booked the three of us in our department to the 3:40 showing this Friday so I get to miss work AND don't have to pay for the ticket.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 14, 2015, 10:21:00 AM I miss the days when I was excited to be at the opening weekend of a movie... kinda like I miss that Xmas morning feeling, meaning the dead child inside my subconscious twitches when I think about it.
I honestly can't wait to see the sweeping reviews that give this movie the best ever review and the worst possible review in history - to which internet hordes will split off into their respective groups and write volumes of text to defend their group. :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Engels on December 14, 2015, 10:32:57 AM My boss booked the three of us in our department to the 3:40 showing this Friday so I get to miss work AND don't have to pay for the ticket. Now that's a Mensch of the Year award right there. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 14, 2015, 10:55:26 AM Tickets at 4pm on Friday. Plan to be in line by about 1:30pm to make sure we don't have to sit in the front row. Wife is going to drop my son off after school so he can join me in line.
I am just hoping I am not at the theatre that gets shot up by a madman. Because you know it is going to happen. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 14, 2015, 10:56:42 AM Tickets at 4pm on Friday. Plan to be in line by about 1:30pm to make sure we don't have to sit in the front row. Wife is going to drop my son off after school so he can join me in line. I am just hoping I am not at the theatre that gets shot up by a madman. Because you know it is going to happen. That's the right attitude! :why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: RhyssaFireheart on December 14, 2015, 11:10:06 AM Tickets for 11:30 Thursday night and the local theatre has assigned seating with the recliner chairs. Oh yeah, so looking forward to this. Boss just scheduled a PM team meeting for 1pm Friday though, which means I either dial in to the meeting or drag my ass out of bed and go into work.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Viin on December 14, 2015, 11:49:56 AM After hearing a Ram 1500 radio commercial that started off (and ended) as a Star Wars commercial, I may just skip this movie as a protest against over-hyping.
Or I may just miss it because I have two small kids at home and a wife who doesn't really care for Star WarsTrek anyways. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on December 14, 2015, 11:52:14 AM I fully plan on seeing it, but I figure I can just see it whenever.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 14, 2015, 01:17:15 PM Just a reminder:
The LA screening is tonight, and there is also at least one screening for certain people involved in the making of the film (including people like software engineers that wrote the code for the tools used by the special effects people - folks that had no access to story materials what-so-ever until they see the final movie) that is also taking place sometime in the next 24 hours. I'd expect major spoilers ('Vader is Luke's father' type spoilers) are likely to be everywhere in the next 12 hours. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 14, 2015, 01:26:48 PM Tickets at 4pm on Friday. Plan to be in line by about 1:30pm to make sure we don't have to sit in the front row. Wife is going to drop my son off after school so he can join me in line. I am just hoping I am not at the theatre that gets shot up by a madman. Because you know it is going to happen. I won't lie, this is in the back of my mind as well. A conservative friend got pissed at me because he said he figured ISIS would shoot up a theater, I told him it'd be a pissed off white guy. Sorry for the politics...uhhh....Han Solo shot first! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on December 14, 2015, 07:13:33 PM I made sure to see the film midday Friday in an assigned seat fullsize IMAX. All bases covered. Except my damned Lando outfit. Couldn't find one I liked. :uhrr:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on December 14, 2015, 08:23:45 PM I rented out an IMAX theater in Fresno to watch this on Monday. Am I an asshole?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 14, 2015, 08:38:45 PM I rented out an IMAX theater in Fresno to watch this on Monday. Am I an asshole? No, just crazy. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on December 14, 2015, 09:01:30 PM I can live with that.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 14, 2015, 09:33:54 PM There is a big spoiler out there that involves some of the toy pictures. Watch out for it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on December 14, 2015, 09:45:51 PM Saw it. Will still wait until I see the flick to decide whether I care or not.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goreschach on December 14, 2015, 09:49:36 PM I checked it out since Star Wars is shit and I'm not planning to see the movie. This 'spoiler' is weaksauce and most of the people here probably wouldn't even realize it's a spoiler if someone posted it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 15, 2015, 06:30:08 AM I might see it in a few years time on TV at Christmas Day and I'll lip read it as the siblings kids will be screaming at one another and larping the battle of Midway.
There is a review embargo out there till after the weekend apparently. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 15, 2015, 06:37:47 AM I might see it in a few years time on TV at Christmas Day and I'll lip read it as the siblings kids will be screaming at one another and larping the battle of Midway. There is a review embargo out there till after the weekend apparently. Actually the embargo is until tomorrow. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Viin on December 15, 2015, 08:21:20 AM ... kids will be screaming at one another and larping the battle of Midway. That sounds way more fun than watching Star Wars. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 15, 2015, 08:54:50 AM I rented out an IMAX theater in Fresno to watch this on Monday. Am I an asshole? Yes, but I approve of this assholisheness. If I had the dosh, I'd do that kind of shit too. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 15, 2015, 10:16:20 AM I rented out an IMAX theater in Fresno to watch this on Monday. Am I an asshole? Renting is cool. Being in Fresno is a whole different story. Did you lose a bet? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on December 15, 2015, 10:31:34 AM Fresno could cosplay as Mos Eisley though. I think if I rented an IMAX in Fresno, I'd just stay in the IMAX and not come out again.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 15, 2015, 10:34:35 AM ... and spoiled.
Someone at work walking by talking about what they just read on Reddit. Might not be legit, but most likely is... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 15, 2015, 11:33:33 AM Due to an interesting combo of being in a foreign country where few people speak English, and not actually trying to pay attention, I know almost nothing about this film. I saw the first half ass'ed trailer that shows a star destroyer in the dessert with a few random scene cuts, and that's it. Have read nothing else about it, have seen nothing else. Pretty happy with this turn of events, but I have a nasty feeling I'm going to have to go find an English showing of this sooner than later to avoid having the entire damn plot revealed to me before I see it. Which is tricky because the Russians are even worst about forcing films to be dubbed for them than we are (and the dubbing is always incredibly BAD), which means the tickets for those few showings are going to be fought over by russian nerds and expats hardcore for months.
In short, Thanks Obama. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 15, 2015, 02:15:15 PM a star destroyer in the dessert (http://www.taste.com.au/images/recipes/mc/2010/05/23893_l.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 15, 2015, 02:25:47 PM (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/44/b4/09/44b409c059990168b9e29e11259443ca.jpg)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: NowhereMan on December 15, 2015, 02:26:51 PM I somehow can't force myself to actually book tickets for this and I know that I can't just turn up to the cinema. I figure I don't waste time on that many internet boards, as long as no-one spoils it here I'll probably make it through to next week.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 15, 2015, 02:47:41 PM I somehow can't force myself to actually book tickets for this and I know that I can't just turn up to the cinema. I figure I don't waste time on that many internet boards, as long as no-one spoils it here I'll probably make it through to next week. Do you leave the house? Cause if you don't, you might make it that long. I don't, and I figure I am 50-50 until Saturday.--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 16, 2015, 05:15:35 AM Reviews of this are better than any reviews of anything ever.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: NowhereMan on December 16, 2015, 05:21:08 AM I somehow can't force myself to actually book tickets for this and I know that I can't just turn up to the cinema. I figure I don't waste time on that many internet boards, as long as no-one spoils it here I'll probably make it through to next week. Do you leave the house? Cause if you don't, you might make it that long. I don't, and I figure I am 50-50 until Saturday.--Dave I work with people who either aren't really planning to watch it or didn't know where was a new Star Wars coming out. Or in one great case, 'Star Wars? They're making a sequel to that? What do you mean there's more than 1 already?' The only other people I'm likely to be seeing are some friends before it comes out and family who know only slightly more than my co-workers. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 16, 2015, 05:36:18 AM Reviews of this are better than any reviews of anything ever. As I recall, the reviews of the Fandom Menace were glowing as well. At first. The problem is that the people going to see it now are the die hard who have paid up front for it weeks ago and who would give a glowing review to Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher on screen reading the phone book. It will probably take months to get the first honest non hype fueled reviews. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hutch on December 16, 2015, 05:51:03 AM All the super villains are waiting in line with me. (http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/post/135293907341/flashline)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 16, 2015, 07:44:24 AM Reviews of this are better than any reviews of anything ever. As I recall, the reviews of the Fandom Menace were glowing as well. At first. The problem is that the people going to see it now are the die hard who have paid up front for it weeks ago and who would give a glowing review to Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher on screen reading the phone book. It will probably take months to get the first honest non hype fueled reviews. No, these are actual critic reviews. It's sitting at 97% on Rotten Tomatoes at the moment which is damned good for a Star Wars movie. It will likely drop more but I'd say it's well on the way to being one of the best reviewed Star Wars movies ever. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 16, 2015, 08:13:19 AM TPM did not get great reviews unless you count AICN. You do not count AICN.
Phantom www.theguardian.com/film/1999/jul/18/philipfrench Force www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/16/star-wars-the-force-awakens-review-a-spectacular-homecoming Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 16, 2015, 08:16:52 AM Geeks of Doom gave it a good review for whatever that's worth.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Speedy Cerviche on December 16, 2015, 08:20:40 AM The guy at the NY Post gave it 2.5 / 4. Basically said it was good, but nothing new, most of the major plot points being rehashes from old movies. Disney giving Abrams his marching orders, to not screw it up with rank absurdity like the prequels, and give the universe a new solid base to construct a money hat factory. So it safely hits all the themes, to leave people warm with nostalgia, and tightly executed on plot and aesthetics to not piss off more rabid fans. Not having seen it of course, but seems like a fair review, pretty much what I was expecting.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Special J on December 16, 2015, 09:02:22 AM A non-spoilered review:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-is-the-most-fun-ive-had-at-1748271186 Generally positive, lots of fun. If that's accurate then I'll be happy enough. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 16, 2015, 10:11:28 AM The guy at the NY Post gave it 2.5 / 4. Basically said it was good, but nothing new, most of the major plot points being rehashes from old movies. Disney giving Abrams his marching orders, to not screw it up with rank absurdity like the prequels, and give the universe a new solid base to construct a money hat factory. So it safely hits all the themes, to leave people warm with nostalgia, and tightly executed on plot and aesthetics to not piss off more rabid fans. Not having seen it of course, but seems like a fair review, pretty much what I was expecting. I can live with this. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 16, 2015, 11:08:18 AM So in a reversal of what I wrote above, turns out that while all the showings in Russian are sold out, the prime time evening slot they reserve for the English version had most of the seats left today. And I was informed by co-workers they had already gone and bought me a ticket without asking, because why the fuck would I not be going to see it as soon as possible. So, guess I'll actually be seeing it opening night here in Russia (Thursday), with great seats, in a theater that serves alcohol. I'll make sure as soon as I get home I drunkenly post a string of un-hidden spoilers all over this thread.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on December 16, 2015, 11:19:31 AM There's a theater locally that serves alcohol that has two Pizza Port beers on draft (Jon Solo and Hops Awaken) for the movie. Unfortunately, it's a little bit of a trek and coworkers are seeing it at 10:45 and taking the next day off, where I am working the next day.
Thankfully, one of hte local craft bars is also putting on a super fresh keg of Hops Awaken so the missus and I will go have a couple of pints after the movie. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 16, 2015, 11:30:40 AM First! Seen it!
I'd say it deserves pretty high praise. Of course it is a bunch of rehashed themes, but did we ever really expect otherwise? Execution is the key, and it generally did not disappoint. Also, Daisy Ridley is so damn cute that I want to die. Cuter than a bag of kittens. And nicely sweaty throughout, which is a not a sentence I've ever even pondered before. Oh, and Finn is Luke Skywalker's son. Conceived by midichlorians, turns out. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 16, 2015, 11:32:24 AM Quick, give us an animated gif that describes how you feel.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: shiznitz on December 16, 2015, 11:34:18 AM At the beginning of November I told my youngest son (10) that if brought home 20 100s from school - quizzes, tests or homework - then we go see this as a family on opening night. I knew he would do it so I bough the tickets almost the same day, but he did actually do it and we are all going.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 16, 2015, 11:43:49 AM Saw it!!
Now this was a great Star Wars movie :heart: All in all, yes, a rehash of situations we have already seen in the first trilogy (but IMO this was a deliberate decision by JJ, not just a matter of lack of imagination), but oh so entertaining. There is quite a few more things to say about it (I guess we'll have time :grin:), but this one made me forget the prequels in a instant. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 16, 2015, 12:54:53 PM ... Those little sluts.Oh, and Finn is Luke Skywalker's son. Conceived by midichlorians, turns out. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 16, 2015, 12:57:34 PM ... Those little sluts.Oh, and Finn is Luke Skywalker's son. Conceived by midichlorians, turns out. For like 1/100000th of a second I was like "That son of a bitch!" then I was like "oh yeah, no WAY JJ is putting midichlorians in this movie!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 16, 2015, 01:28:21 PM Did they ever resolve whether midichlorians were STDs? Many other microscopic bugs transmitted by force are...
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 16, 2015, 02:04:00 PM Saw it!! Now this was a great Star Wars movie :heart: All in all, yes, a rehash of situations we have already seen in the first trilogy (but IMO this was a deliberate decision by JJ, not just a matter of lack of imagination), but oh so entertaining. There is quite a few more things to say about it (I guess we'll have time :grin:), but this one made me forget the prequels in a instant. Saw it also, but I feel like I need a bit of distance from it (and to watch it at least one more time) to really figure out how I feel about it. For the moment there are things I really liked about it, and things that just completely did not work for me. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 16, 2015, 02:10:06 PM Just saw it.
I am not happy. And that's all I am gonna say. Yes, what Velorath said. But all in all, I am not happy no. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 16, 2015, 02:33:49 PM Phantom Menace rage grew over time. It started off strong and grew into a fervor, but it grew. I'm starting to wonder if this is going to be a general, "We liked it, but..." that grows into "No, this is no better than Revenge of the Sith"...
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 16, 2015, 03:08:33 PM I fully expect many star wars fans to hate it and I don't think that will have any bearing on my enjoyment.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 16, 2015, 03:10:59 PM Phantom Menace rage grew over time. It started off strong and grew into a fervor, but it grew. I'm starting to wonder if this is going to be a general, "We liked it, but..." that grows into "No, this is no better than Revenge of the Sith"... It's hard to properly judge a movie that carries so much baggage along with it, and the movie relies on that baggage so much it's impossible to ask if it's a good movie in its own right, Star Wars aside. There's also a lot of set up for the next movie and depending on where they go with it in VIII and IX, it could make this a better or worse movie. One non-spoiler thing I will say is that I like that they use a lot of practical special effects, but some of the CG stuff they do I found really distracting. There are a couple characters in the movie that felt like they came straight of the Hobbit movie, which isn't surprising I guess given Serkis' involvement. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 16, 2015, 03:14:32 PM .... There are a couple characters in the movie that felt like they came straight of the Hobbit movie, which isn't surprising I guess given Serkis' involvement. ... but is a hugely damning thing to say, at least from my perspective. The Hobbit (and parts of Phantom Menace) looked like a cartoon. I was hoping we'd get away from that angle. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 16, 2015, 03:39:52 PM I think in some instances making some characters CG is just unavoidable unless they want every alien with a speaking part to be a human with makeup on. Puppets are great when they don't have to be very mobile, and don't talk or only talk in an alien language that doesn't require their face to be too expressive, but otherwise I understand why they have to use at least some CG. I'm just not fond of the look of the CG here and the character Serkis plays I don't think really needed to be CG at all.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 16, 2015, 04:58:11 PM I am just gonna say one thing:
GOLLUMORT. Fuck that bullshit. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 16, 2015, 05:12:03 PM Hahaha, yeah, infact that's one of the things I didn't like (although, personally, it doesn't lower my overall opinion of the movie; others will find it particularly bothersome, yep); I mean, what EXACTLY was that...and why??? (or, in italian, "cazz'era quel coso???" :grin:). GollTrollMort indeed.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 16, 2015, 05:17:32 PM I can live with one bad cgi character. did you see age of ultron? fuck, half the action sequences were all cgi humans/supers and it looked like trash.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 16, 2015, 05:21:41 PM I can live with one bad cgi character. did you see age of ultron? fuck, half the action sequences were all cgi humans/supers and it looked like trash. Sure, but the attached name doesn't help it either; sounds like a character from "The Wire" rather than the SW universe :D Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 16, 2015, 05:53:30 PM I can live with one bad cgi character. did you see age of ultron? fuck, half the action sequences were all cgi humans/supers and it looked like trash. And I'd take Winter Soldier's action sequences over Age of Ultron's any day. I'll fully admit it's just a personal preference thing for me though and it's hard to articulate the difference to me between a good CG character (like Koba from the Planet of the Apes movies) and bad ones. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 16, 2015, 06:36:51 PM I can live with one bad cgi character. did you see age of ultron? fuck, half the action sequences were all cgi humans/supers and it looked like trash. And I'd take Winter Soldier's action sequences over Age of Ultron's any day. I'll fully admit it's just a personal preference thing for me though and it's hard to articulate the difference to me between a good CG character (like Koba from the Planet of the Apes movies) and bad ones. Don't get me wrong, bad cgi is always terrible, I'm just not going to let it bother me if it's in small doses. There's a big difference between one or two cgi pieces in a movie vs avengers:age of stretch armstrongs. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 16, 2015, 06:43:27 PM After watching Escape from LA again last night, it will have to be really really shitty CGI for me to be bothered by it. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on December 16, 2015, 07:27:02 PM It's almost a fucking remake of Episode IV. It was a waste of a very limited resource, a theatrical Star Wars movie. Fucking JJ Abrams...
Also, Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 16, 2015, 08:18:47 PM *looks at the people that didn't like movie* Man you guys stop, I'm already excited enough to see it. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 16, 2015, 08:23:09 PM I'm still on the fence as to how good of a movie I think it is. The CG thing is just a bit of a nitpick that can be talked about without getting into spoilers. There are a number of good things I can say about it also (and more bad things as well). I will say that overall, I liked the cast.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on December 16, 2015, 09:19:28 PM Quote All in all, yes, a rehash of situations we have already seen in the first trilogy (but IMO this was a deliberate decision by JJ, not just a matter of lack of imagination) I'm sure I've said this before but I'll say it again: Star Wars is a callback-based franchise. There's a reason why in the MMOS game you can choose to play as a Twilek dancer, a Boba-style bounter hunter, a Han-style smuggler. Why there is always an ice planet and a tree-filled Endor place, why the powers are always "force choke" and "force lightning." Doing that allows people to recreate the movies. Star Wars is not an interesting universe, an interesting plot or even really interesting characters - it's cool individual scenes, costuming, gadgets, etc. There's not much meat there, so the basic formula relies on "hey, remember this cool scene in the original movies? Here's our take!" So now a guy has two lightsabers, or 6 lightsabers, or a lightsaber with 2 ends. It's similar to how every Indiana Jones movie has to have a scene where Indy has a gun and some other dude has a sword - it's unoriginal riffing on the original inspired scene. All franchises suffer this to some degree but it's really bad in Star Wars, because again, the cool stuff is mostly superficial - a guy who wears all black and has a rad voice, lightsabers, wacky shaped spaceships, etc. So here's Darth Maul, who we hope will look as cool as Darth Vader did. That's something the movies need - a cool looking Darth dude. That's part of the Star Wars checklist. That said I don't know what else you do because if you don't have a Jedi guy with a lightsaber, a cool Darth guy, etc, how is it even Star Wars? You can do a lot of stuff with Star Trek because the idea is pretty wide open and philosophical in nature, it's not mostly superficial trappings. "What if in this movie the phasers are purple and instead of shooting a straight beam they shoot a double helix?" is not the foundation for an entire scene, at best it's just a fun aside. Whereas in Star Wars a guy with a differently shaped lightsaber is a major concept. (At least two set pieces in the prequels are based just on that!) Making something Star Warsy is taking a handful of iconic scenes, images and characters and trying to toe the line between replicating them and invoking them. Some things are just not fit for an expanded universe or a long series of explorations and I think Star Wars is one of those. I'd say the same thing about something like Die Hard - love the first film but it's a one-off story, which is why Die Hard 2 is just "weirdly enough the exact same thing happens to the same guy on the same day - lol." Quote One non-spoiler thing I will say is that I like that they use a lot of practical special effects, but some of the CG stuff they do I found really distracting. There are a couple characters in the movie that felt like they came straight of the Hobbit movie, which isn't surprising I guess given Serkis' involvement. I've come to view "we're using mostly practical effects" as a way to pay lip service that actually translates into "prepare for wacky CGI hijinks!" The guys making The Thing remake talked up the practical effects and that movie is a CGI shit fest. Realistically speaking CGI is just too tempting for a big Hollywood film in terms of cost, ease of integration, degree of laziness it allows ,etc. To be a director on a major movie that eschews CGI effects you have to be an iconoclast with a lot of pull, which only describes a handful of people, and certainly not JJ Abrams. It's like Nolan shooting on film - a lot of directors will say they love film, but ultimately few of them will shoot with it, either because they don't really want to or because they aren't allowed to. Quote After watching Escape from LA again last night, it will have to be really really shitty CGI for me to be bothered by it. Are you saying the surfing scene doesn't hold up? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 16, 2015, 11:16:15 PM I can live with one bad cgi character. did you see age of ultron? fuck, half the action sequences were all cgi humans/supers and it looked like trash. And I'd take Winter Soldier's action sequences over Age of Ultron's any day. I'll fully admit it's just a personal preference thing for me though and it's hard to articulate the difference to me between a good CG character (like Koba from the Planet of the Apes movies) and bad ones. Don't get me wrong, bad cgi is always terrible, I'm just not going to let it bother me if it's in small doses. There's a big difference between one or two cgi pieces in a movie vs avengers:age of stretch armstrongs. To me it's not a matter of bad CGI. It's a matter of an ugly character who doesn't fit the role or the purpose and seems designed only to strike a chord with fans of another wildly famous IP. Very bad. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 16, 2015, 11:22:04 PM Also, I will add that there's many things I liked. And some I disliked (CGI is not one of them). The callback and the old stuff is super fine and some of the new stuff is very cool too. Sadly, after an amazing and genuinely exciting start, things begin to go bad after a while until they reach a point where they are not cool anymore and something has been majorly fucked up. Leaving a bad taste.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 16, 2015, 11:38:56 PM I don't share your opinion in general, but it is true enough to say that the start was absolutely cracking, and some of the middle acts felt a bit more like filler. Necessary filler probably, but definitely less exciting. I thought it picked up again nicely towards the end, and ended appropriately.
In general, though, some of you are being unfair about the CGI effects. Yes, there was some, but this was no green screen, CGI filled mess like the prequels. It was a visual feast for the vast majority of the film. The acting was uniformly solid - not great or anything, but also not the wooden, cringeworthy shit from the prequels. The action was excellent. When stormtroopers get shot and blown up, it looks like people in armor getting shot and blown up. Shit looked real. The sword-fighting looked real. Or more real. I will have to watch it again and again before I am sure where this one really fits in. But on the whole, I think it compares closely to the OT, and is uniformly better than all the prequels. JJ understands Star Wars better than Lucas did, even though that should be impossible. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 16, 2015, 11:46:13 PM I agree with you on almost everything. It's not a bad movie at all and yes fuck George Lucas post 1983. Good thing he gave Star Wars away if they had to do more of it.
But I still not like the last part of Force Awakens, it's so much weaker compared to the first half. Also as I already said CGI doesn't bother me, it's one character that bothers me and not for the technical aspects of it. And finally and most importantly there's one plot element that I am not and will never be OK with and I think it was a big no no and I think it ruined the movie to me in many ways and potentially the rest of the new trilogy. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 17, 2015, 12:08:04 AM Dammit, we need a spoiler thread or something so that you could explain that more and then I could explain to you why you are wrong! :grin:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 17, 2015, 08:15:50 AM We have spoiler tags. Why not use them?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: 01101010 on December 17, 2015, 08:22:22 AM My spoiler button has been missing for quite awhile now, so I have to type it out like some filthy derelict.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 17, 2015, 09:57:16 AM The spoiler tags for normal use are fine. I don't think so in this case. You'll have the next ten pages being unreadable bullshit for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 17, 2015, 09:59:38 AM Yeah, fuck that ; go make a fucking thread.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: sickrubik on December 17, 2015, 10:07:52 AM Yup. I'd appreciate that. I clearly can't stop myself from checking this thread.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ginaz on December 17, 2015, 11:01:37 AM If you want to know everything scene by scene, it's all in the link below.
http://spoilerboard.blogspot.ca/2015/12/spoilerboard-v40-final-pre-release.html Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on December 17, 2015, 12:16:20 PM Just got back from seeing it.
(http://i.imgur.com/RSMgq64.gif) Liked it, but it had it's issues. Somebody make the spoiler thread! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Segoris on December 17, 2015, 05:51:12 PM I'm reading that this isn't really worth going for IMAX 3D or RealD 3D, anyone input on that? Basically I'm reading that there just aren't many parts in the movie that are taking advantage of 3D to be worth the extra cost, or the possible headache that some people get from 3D.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 17, 2015, 07:08:44 PM *gush**Gush**gush*
That is all. Saw it in 2d, very front row of the theater since the daughter didn't get back from her driving school road instruction. Will be seeing it again on Sunday in IMAX but based on the 2d I'd wager it's not worth the 3d other than the large screen or extras at some theaters. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 17, 2015, 08:22:21 PM Great movie. Somehow I'm not shocked I disagree with some of the posters in here. Not perfect, some editing in some spots was probably needed. CGI for one character should have been avoided. That's all I'll say.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Segoris on December 17, 2015, 10:06:34 PM Will be seeing it again on Sunday in IMAX but based on the 2d I'd wager it's not worth the 3d other than the large screen or extras at some theaters. And that is pretty much what I'm reading. I think I just didn't want to believe it, but will happily save $10+. So thanks Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 17, 2015, 10:15:58 PM I saw it in 3D, but I don't think it added anything...except that it was in the good theater with the great sound system, and that DOES add something.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Der Helm on December 18, 2015, 12:28:37 AM First movie I ever saw in 3d ... I forgot about it 20 minutes in or so ..
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 18, 2015, 12:50:04 AM I saw it in 3D, but I don't think it added anything...except that it was in the good theater with the great sound system, and that DOES add something. This is what annoys me about 3d. It adds nothing, reduces picture quality, gives me a mild headache, but all the really good imax cinemas show nothing but 3d. So for something like star wars you are stuck between two bad choices, tiny 2d theatre or 3d abomination. :geezer: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 18, 2015, 03:42:14 AM Some of the 3D tech is better than others. At the theater I go to regularly, they have good tech (both the projector and the glasses), so you get used to it pretty quickly and nobody complains about headaches. That said, I would have opted to see this one in 2D if I had the option. You lose a bit on the periphery in 3D.
There was one scene where a Star Destroyer looked like it was going to crash into my head, but other than that I don't remember any specific 3D effects. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: SurfD on December 18, 2015, 04:03:44 AM I think most of the problems with 3d come down to how the film was shot, when the 3D was put in place. Avatar is still what I consider the Pinnacle of 3D movies. The 3D in that film was just breathtaking, and it improved damn near every single scene in one way or another. It helped that the entire movie was shot in natural 3D, or with 3D rendering in the heavy cgi scenes being there from the get go. It also wasnt one of those movies where they try to tack on the 3D as a gimmic effect and are constantly using it to throw things at you, but it was used almost entirely in natural Depth of Field type aspects. By comparison, most other 3D movies (like 99% of them) are shot in 2D and then converted to 3D after the fact, which just never comes close to the truely natural feeling the 3D in Avatar had.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 18, 2015, 05:03:43 AM When you get into how it is shot, it is not just technical aspects of filming that need to be changed for 3d. To make a 3d film bearable, you have to increase the contrast in every scene, slow down panning, reduce the number of cuts, and simplify composition. The hobbit is a great example. 3d usn't as awful as elsewhere but the visual impact gets reduced because of the limitations it puts on the film. Naturally, 3d adds nothing whatsoever in return for those compromises and you still have to put up with 40% less light than you could have had in the end result.
The reason the first half of Gravity is the only good half of a film in 3d, is because the plot happened to call for very high contrast and very simple composition, plus the sense of space was relevant to the film for probably the only time ever. I'd agree retro fitted 3d should lead to imprisonment. But it is still bloody awful in almost every other case. Avatar I struggled to have strong feelings about the 3d, because it was just a bit of a boring film. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: RhyssaFireheart on December 18, 2015, 07:45:10 AM Saw it last night (and decided to sleep in before getting to work this morning) and loved it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 18, 2015, 08:09:16 AM One of Us! One of Us! One of Us!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Segoris on December 18, 2015, 08:55:42 AM Some of the 3D tech is better than others. At the theater I go to regularly, they have good tech (both the projector and the glasses), so you get used to it pretty quickly and nobody complains about headaches. That said, I would have opted to see this one in 2D if I had the option. You lose a bit on the periphery in 3D. There was one scene where a Star Destroyer looked like it was going to crash into my head, but other than that I don't remember any specific 3D effects. The Star Destroyer scene is the one scene everyone says looked great in 3D, meanwhile it seems pretty consistent that 2D is the way to see this. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evil Elvis on December 18, 2015, 12:07:01 PM Just got back from seeing it. I thought this was watchable, but by no means great. I've no urge to re-watch it again any time soon.
It felt as Star Warsy as the Star Trek reboots felt Star Treky. Everything felt a bit off. The beat of the humor, the shots, the dialog, the action. Event the music somehow didn't feel right. The prequels - as bad as they were - at least felt like Star Wars. Harrison and Fisher genuinely felt too old, and Adam Driver was miscast. There were some genuinely funny moments, though. The sets looked great, the story was passable, and I never felt really bored. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 18, 2015, 12:27:37 PM Just got back from seeing it. I thought this was watchable, but by no means great. I've no urge to re-watch it again any time soon. Event the music somehow didn't feel right. The prequels - as bad as they were - at least felt like Star Wars. WAT Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2015, 12:52:55 PM The prequels - as bad as they were - at least felt like Star Wars. You worry me. This is the most delirious thing I've read in a long time. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evil Elvis on December 18, 2015, 01:31:43 PM I don't get what's difficult to understand. Even a spoiled banana tastes more like a banana than an orange.
This felt very much like a JJ Abraham's movie in a Star Wars draping. Ignore the nostalgic characters and iconography. This felt like Star Wars to you? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Bunk on December 18, 2015, 02:19:24 PM Far more so than the prequels, yes. I'd explain why but I don't half an hour right now.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evil Elvis on December 18, 2015, 02:29:15 PM Fair enough.
To be clear, I think this is a much better movie than the prequels. It just didn't ever feel "right". Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on December 18, 2015, 02:54:33 PM I think the pacing was a bit off because they were trying to jam so much in connecting the old and the new that it never had time to breathe. If you watch the original trilogy there are stretches of down time to catch a breadth and have some character development and interaction. They were cramming so much in here (both plot wise and fan service) that the only down time is heavy, heavy exposition. I didn't ultimately mind it, but that is one very big stylistic difference I noticed.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 18, 2015, 02:57:57 PM I think it feels as close to Star Wars as you're going to get 30+ years after the OT ended and even the OT varied in tone from movie to movie. The only thing that really felt off to me here was Boyega's acting the few times when he goes for the over the top comedic effect, where it feels like it belongs in a buddy cop comedy or something.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 18, 2015, 03:06:29 PM I think it feels as close to Star Wars as you're going to get 30+ years after the OT ended and even the OT varied in tone from movie to movie. The only thing that really felt off to me here was Boyega's acting the few times when he goes for the over the top comedic effect, where it feels like it belongs in a buddy cop comedy or something. I think his emotions are very much in line with who that character is when you imagine what his backstory would be like. They never come right out and say it but that was my impression. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evil Elvis on December 18, 2015, 03:21:33 PM It wasn't just Boyega though. Harrison and Ridley have their fair share of comedic lines. It's not that they're not funny, or that they're as forced and lame one-liners int the prequels... it's just off.
There's a self-awareness and self-reference - especially in the humor - that was never in the pulpy, 2-dimensional Lucas movies. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 18, 2015, 03:23:57 PM Does anyone have a bad feeling about it ?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2015, 03:32:56 PM I don't get what's difficult to understand. Even a spoiled banana tastes more like a banana than an orange. This felt very much like a JJ Abraham's movie in a Star Wars draping. Ignore the nostalgic characters and iconography. This felt like Star Wars to you? The prequels DID NOT feel like Star Wars. You clearly have no idea of what Star Wars is or isn't. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on December 18, 2015, 03:37:08 PM This might be a generational thing, so I'm gonna ask: how old are you?
At 45, this was the perfect SW movie, the one I wished Ep 1 was, the one ESB is but only because 30 years later it holds up through a mix of being good with a heavy dose of nostalgia, the one that matches perfectly the modern tone A New Hope would take (which I saw in theater at 7). However, if the only SW movies people have seen in theaters are the prequels, then I could see why one wouldn't think this movie was a SW movie. It's very similar to MMOs being defined by WoW for a significant number of people. I don't think of it that way of course. I loved this one. It was exactly what it should have been from the guy who has basically become the 21st century's generation Stephen Spielberg. But I saw all of them in the theater in three life stages (kid, tween, teen, young old, I guess technically middle aged but fuck anyone who calls me that :-) ). I've read almost all of the books and all of the comics. I've seen almost every fan-made thing going. I wholeheartedly agree with every decision made about what parts of the EU to maintain (i.e., the son's real name) vs the 99% dropped (everything other thing from the other kids to Chewie dying to Kyp Durron to Mara Jade, etc,. characters I watch grow over fictional decades I am fine with not having around). So to me, it was perfect. I'll be seeing it again Sunday. Not IMAX though. Somewhere in here I read only one scene was shot in it, and non in 3D. 2D is perfectly fine. All that aside, my kids are equally excited to see it (they couldn't make it to my viewing today). And as God is my witness, they will never ever see the original Ep 1-3 theatrical releases, only the edits (once I decide which ones are the best). Only one question: Edit: wait nevermind, I see the other thread now Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evil Elvis on December 18, 2015, 03:55:38 PM I don't get what's difficult to understand. Even a spoiled banana tastes more like a banana than an orange. This felt very much like a JJ Abraham's movie in a Star Wars draping. Ignore the nostalgic characters and iconography. This felt like Star Wars to you? The prequels DID NOT feel like Star Wars. You clearly have no idea of what Star Wars is or isn't. Not as a whole, but there are small moments where there's a glimmer of the feeling of the OT in there. There was only one moment in TFA when they played the Skywalker theme where it touched a nostalgia nerve. Maybe don't be a dick and act like you're the only one who gets it. It's my feeling about the film. You can have yours, and I can have mine. Darniaq: almost 40. Remember seeing RoTJ in the theater as a kid fairly well. I remember being sick in the hospital, and have good memory of my parents coming and cheering me up with some Star Wars action figures. Also, I went with 11 other people from work ranging from 24 - 45-ish (all software engineers, so plenty of SW nerds) and everyone's reaction was pretty "meh". Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2015, 04:19:17 PM I shouldn't post between Rainbow Six rounds.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 18, 2015, 06:23:25 PM Yeah Elvis um ..drugs are bad k?
This was good, maybe great. I think I'll have to see again. Can't wait for the next one! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on December 18, 2015, 06:26:53 PM Darniaq: almost 40. Remember seeing RoTJ in the theater as a kid fairly well. I remember being sick in the hospital, and have good memory of my parents coming and cheering me up with some Star Wars action figures. Also, I went with 11 other people from work ranging from 24 - 45-ish (all software engineers, so plenty of SW nerds) and everyone's reaction was pretty "meh". Wow interesting. So you experience things in roughly the same "natural" fashion and feel the prequels were slightly more SW-y than this one. Your comments had me pegging you as an early 30-something "eh, what's this SW thing all about, Phantom Menace sucked and the stuff from the 70s might as well be Casablanca or It Came from Outer Space" aged :-) I'm genuinely curious: what about the prequels felt more SW-y? As an aside, I understand you're point about TFA being very JJ Abrams. I agree, though in TFA he got the actors and script to a faithful remake of ANH with some twists* But I'm ok with that. He hasn't directed a movie I haven't like (I liked his second Trek movie, though accept that's a minority opinion). I'd be happy if he did Avengers three for example. I don't hold anything as sacrosanct :-) * Btw, I totally agree that TFA was largely ANH redone, with Ford now having become Guiness as the establishment actor handing off to a new generation of largely-unknowns. But that's the way things work, and Abrams handles it masterfully. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on December 18, 2015, 07:07:42 PM This was better than a new hope by just a hair. Second only to empire.
Amazing movie. Saw itbinnimax 3d. Need to see it again. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 18, 2015, 07:24:11 PM I pretty much loved it. Was a great reboot to the franchise, and makes me really want to see the next movie. IMAX 3D was not worth it. I didn't realize it was 3D when I bought the tickets in October...I just wanted the big screen and the sound. Not being able to see things in focus if I turn my head to talk to my son for a moment was really annoying. Overhead some AMC staff on phone and it sounds like the regular 3D (non-IMAX, non-2D) is the red-headed step child of this release- up to 80% of the tickets are still unsold for the next couple of days.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 18, 2015, 07:42:57 PM I enjoyed this very much with a few nitpicks. I think this should have been called Star Wars: The Homage because it's basically about 3/4 homage to the original movie with shittons of callbacks with about 1/4 new plot.
And it definitely felt more like Star Wars than the shit that was the prequels. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 18, 2015, 07:59:41 PM It was a retelling of ANH, but sets the scene for a new franchise and hands off the heavy lifting to the new cast. Getting to see everyone from the original cast was a lot of fun.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 18, 2015, 08:28:39 PM Can we go back to where JJ is compared to Spielberg?
What the fuck. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 18, 2015, 08:36:35 PM Can we go back to where JJ is compared to Spielberg? What the fuck. While I'm not sure I'd say he has Speilberg's talent he does strongly remind me of early Spielberg. There's a sense of loving movie making and general adventure to his stuff that typified early Spielberg. The best example of this is Super 8 which could easily have been an 80s Spielberg movie. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 18, 2015, 08:55:26 PM JJ Abrams is an homage to Spielberg. :grin:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 18, 2015, 08:55:56 PM Can we stop pretending 80's Spielberg was the greatest filmmaker of all time?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 18, 2015, 08:56:25 PM I have never thought that ever.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Setanta on December 19, 2015, 02:56:54 AM Can we stop pretending 80's Spielberg was the greatest filmmaker of all time? I wouldn't say of all time but... Goonies, Gremlins. ET, BTTF, The Colour Porple, Empire of the Sun, Roger Rabbit and Land before time in the 80s give him decent chops. Cape Fear and Schindlers list - the latter stands out for me as a fantastic film that Abrams hasn't matched, not Saving Private Ryan for that matter. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 19, 2015, 03:15:15 AM Can we stop pretending 80's Spielberg was the greatest filmmaker of all time? Of all time I'm sure Hitchcock or Welles would top most lists. In the modern era of movies though, I'd say he's almost certainly been the most influential on the industry. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 19, 2015, 03:38:59 AM Can we stop pretending 80's Spielberg was the greatest filmmaker of all time? He wasn't. He was (perhaps still is) a very good modern film-maker though (top 5 easily). I personally think the 80s was his nadir as a "fun" director. Since then he's gotten a bit more artistic/serious. This is, of course, personal opinion. All-time? I don't even pretend to be enough of a film scholar to make that call. And that is so hard to judge anyway since the style of film making has changed so much over the century or so we've been making films that trying to make an all-time call becomes very subjective. I'd say we'd have to go decade by decade personally and a lot will depend on what people want in movies. I know people who think that dude who made the latter Bourne movies is god's gift to action movies, whereas I think he is a hack who shouldn't be let near a film camera. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 19, 2015, 07:38:33 AM This was better than a new hope by just a hair. Second only to empire. Amazing movie. Saw itbinnimax 3d. Need to see it again. Love to know why you think it's better than ANH, because I put it behind ANH. Partly because it's a rehash of the story (which I don't care about, but it doesn't do it better 'enough' to make it superior to the original) and partly because some of the pacing was off. Walking scenes that went on too long, the stare at the end could have been 10-15s shorter, some bits that were made important because they were obvious set-ups for spin-off material. Oh and the "cantina" scene wasn't quite exotic enough and had worse music. :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on December 19, 2015, 09:46:04 AM As of this moment, I personally like it better than ANH, but that is primarily because it has way better pew pew and voosh voosh. I am thinking I might see it again within the next 5 or 6 days...it is really hard to process honest feelings about it. I remember liking Phantom Menace, but on further inspection it turned out that it was because the Maul lightsaber battles were awesome. Maul was awesome period, and I was really unhappy to see him get chopped in half.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on December 19, 2015, 10:50:40 AM Can we go back to where JJ is compared to Spielberg? What the fuck. lol, that was me. They both make movies that are by and large enjoyable by lots of people without going to full vacuous pap like Bay, way too crazy expensive like Cameron, and avoiding intellectual neckbeard critic-only award movie shit. They also both have a fairly good range in my limited experience. They're for different eras though. Peak Speilberg was 80s rah rah Go America niave optimism that wouldn't work now. But I remember what I felt when watching his movies then. I walk out of the theater feeling the same way I do now leaving a JJ flick. I am not an informed movie critic though. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Falconeer on December 19, 2015, 12:39:37 PM Can we stop pretending 80's Spielberg was the greatest filmmaker of all time? Goonies, Gremlins. ET, BTTF, The Colour Porple, Empire of the Sun, Roger Rabbit and Land before time in the 80s give him decent chops. Cape Fear and Schindlers list - the latter stands out for me as a fantastic film that Abrams hasn't matched, not Saving Private Ryan for that matter. What is going on here? Only 10% of those movies are from Spielberg. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on December 19, 2015, 02:41:25 PM Can we stop pretending 80's Spielberg was the greatest filmmaker of all time? Goonies, Gremlins. ET, BTTF, The Colour Porple, Empire of the Sun, Roger Rabbit and Land before time in the 80s give him decent chops. Cape Fear and Schindlers list - the latter stands out for me as a fantastic film that Abrams hasn't matched, not Saving Private Ryan for that matter. What is going on here? Only 10% of those movies are from Spielberg. He was Executive Producer on the others. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ghambit on December 19, 2015, 03:05:28 PM He was executive producer because he's the richest producer/director in the history of filmmaking and his name sold tix. Prints are on everything.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on December 19, 2015, 04:30:43 PM Spielberg is one of the best populist, entertaining directors. Makes mainstream films that have some heart and intelligence to them.
Quote They both make movies that are by and large enjoyable by lots of people without going to full vacuous pap like Bay, way too crazy expensive like Cameron, and avoiding intellectual neckbeard critic-only award movie shit. They also both have a fairly good range in my limited experience. To me this comparison makes sense on some level, but I would put JJ maybe halfway between Spielberg and Bay. Not in terms of talent but in terms of the types of films and general approach. JJ's projects often have a lot of style over substance to them, though not on the same level as Bay. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 19, 2015, 05:31:32 PM It's good. At a minimum it "feels like Star Wars", I dunno wtf you are smoking to say otherwise. Yet it also feels new, you can tell where there were deliberate nods in the direction of the OT, but they are much like the Apocalypse Now moment with the TIE fighters: Nods, invocations, not simple recreations.
It's a good movie, the kind of continuation of the Star Wars mythos we hoped for from the prequels. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on December 19, 2015, 07:02:58 PM Spielberg is one of the best populist, entertaining directors. Makes mainstream films that have some heart and intelligence to them. To me this comparison makes sense on some level, but I would put JJ maybe halfway between Spielberg and Bay. Not in terms of talent but in terms of the types of films and general approach. JJ's projects often have a lot of style over substance to them, though not on the same level as Bay. Agree, though I suspect I find JJ's films closer to Bay than Spielberg. I don't hate Bay as much as some others do, so that's not as mean a thing as it might sound. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 20, 2015, 04:45:53 PM Supposedly this did over 500mil in ticket sales in its first weekend. :uhrr: 238 mil in the US.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MournelitheCalix on December 20, 2015, 06:12:26 PM I enjoyed this very much with a few nitpicks. I think this should have been called Star Wars: The Homage because it's basically about 3/4 homage to the original movie with shittons of callbacks with about 1/4 new plot. And it definitely felt more like Star Wars than the shit that was the prequels. I got a history repeats vibe from this movie. Which I thought was kind of clever. Honestly this was the very best movie since the original three put forth as a Star Wars movie. I would put it second only to Empire. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 20, 2015, 07:26:23 PM Loved it, definitely top 3 Star Wars movie for me. All the new cast is great, I think that Poe is going to be my favorite character so far.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on December 21, 2015, 05:51:44 AM Loved it, definitely top 3 Star Wars movie for me. All the new cast is great, I think that Poe is going to be my favorite character so far. Biggest thing that stands out is the character development and the character interaction. In the prequels all the banter and "jokes" felt fabricated and forced; like Lucas said "Ok, here i'm going to write something funny to make these guys seem like they are friends with adventures". In this movie you get a lot of funny lines tied together with anxiety and fear and excitement of whats going on. It feels natural and it makes you like the characters and get to know them. It's an amazingly stark difference. Acting and writing is top notch. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on December 21, 2015, 06:21:47 AM Yes. I think this is what people are responding to so well: the script is never forced. It all 'feels' right. And the acting is the best the series has ever had, really. ESB had a few scenes that were standouts in that respect, but this one got genuinely good performances out of everyone. Even Carrie Fisher, who obviously has restricted mobility and probably some memory issues to boot if you've read her memoirs, gets some good feeling into her line readings.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on December 21, 2015, 06:43:59 AM Supposedly this did over 500mil in ticket sales in its first weekend. :uhrr: 238 mil in the US. I am planning to see it again soon. I can't even remember the last movie I saw more than once in the theatre. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 21, 2015, 07:27:33 AM Supposedly this did over 500mil in ticket sales in its first weekend. :uhrr: 238 mil in the US. I am planning to see it again soon. I can't even remember the last movie I saw more than once in the theatre. Same. At some stage if this beats Avatar I will dig up my post from early in this thread about this potentially being the biggest movie of all time :D Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 21, 2015, 08:10:02 AM At this point it is almost certain it will. It surprised me because the level of hype for this was really low compared to the prequels.
I guess it goes to show word of mouth and not being awful does have an impact after all. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 21, 2015, 08:26:24 AM Hype really low? You are kidding, right?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on December 21, 2015, 09:00:42 AM There was one way in which the hype for the prequels was bigger: It was longer. Lucas put the marketing train into overdrive for the prequels much earlier than Disney did for Force Awakens. At the time, the common thought was more build up was better. Modern advertising recognizes an ideal window for how long you can hold the attention of a fan base. Thus, the hype for Force Awakens had a shorter duration and the meaningful trailers, toy ads, all came out later.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 21, 2015, 09:13:11 AM The marketing train for this one is almost as long as TPM. Almost as many product tie-ins and co-brandings as I remember from 1998/9. The difference is not all of them are as big names as they were. Taco Bell was the food partner in 1999, now it's Subway. Pepsi co-branded drinks and food, this time it's Campbells soup. (wtf.)
And it's always been this way and this crazy. http://gizmodo.com/star-wars-marketing-is-even-more-absurd-outside-the-us-1748343045 Supposedly this did over 500mil in ticket sales in its first weekend. :uhrr: 238 mil in the US. I am planning to see it again soon. I can't even remember the last movie I saw more than once in the theatre. Mad Max. Saw it twice in the theater and considered a third. Before that, nothing unless you count the re-releases in 1997. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 21, 2015, 09:16:17 AM I'm considering seeing this again as well though the last thing I saw twice in the theaters was Age of Ultron (which I liked both times so fuck off all you hatas!). I really liked it enough to pay money for it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on December 21, 2015, 10:12:03 AM Once and done with me. JJ Abrams decided to INTO Darkness Starwars Episode 7 with better results. Star Wars fans ARE dumber than star trek fans, being more lenient to nothing new happening and more of the same notes and beats being hit over the nostalgia drum.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 21, 2015, 10:46:18 AM The Phantom Menace had more hype than any commercial product I can remember in history - and had it continuously for more than two years. The digitally fucked up versions of the OT, were, when all is said and done, 6 hours of promotional video for the Phantom Menace given a theatrical release. They existed specifically to tell us Star Wars is awesome, cgi is awesome, therefore Phantom Menace will be awesome.
I'm not aware of the 24th most significant character in Force Awakens getting their face on a can of Pepsi. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85841906/IMG_SW_Ep1_PepsiCans.jpg) Forgettable the Hutt, Capt Spaceman the pilot, General Zod, one of the shitty robots, collect all your favourites! People camped outside cinemas showing Wing Commander to be the first see the fucking trailer. Despite the fact that the internet was real even in 1997. Some crazies probably did this for Force Awakens, but it was a thing that lots of people did for Phantom for some reason. I've only noticed Ep7 in the mainstream for a reasonably sensible 6-8 weeks, other than an occasional filler piece about how Jack Ryan hurt his foot, or that there is a black guy in this one. By comparison to Ep1 it has been remarkably subtle and restrained. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Tannhauser on December 21, 2015, 02:21:45 PM Once and done with me. JJ Abrams decided to INTO Darkness Starwars Episode 7 with better results. Star Wars fans ARE dumber than star trek fans, being more lenient to nothing new happening and more of the same notes and beats being hit over the nostalgia drum. OK thank you. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 21, 2015, 02:35:52 PM I suspect a lot of people would have been happier with Into Darkness if it had hit the same notes as the original Star Trek.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 21, 2015, 03:15:51 PM I'd have been happier if it had made a lick of fucking sense.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Viin on December 21, 2015, 04:30:29 PM Have you ever paused when suddenly overwhelmed by a feeling, from deep down, that maybe you are just asking a bit too much from life?
Yeah me neither. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: murdoc on December 21, 2015, 04:48:41 PM The marketing train for this one is almost as long as TPM. Almost as many product tie-ins and co-brandings as I remember from 1998/9. The difference is not all of them are as big names as they were. Taco Bell was the food partner in 1999, now it's Subway. Pepsi co-branded drinks and food, this time it's Campbells soup. (wtf.) And it's always been this way and this crazy. http://gizmodo.com/star-wars-marketing-is-even-more-absurd-outside-the-us-1748343045 Supposedly this did over 500mil in ticket sales in its first weekend. :uhrr: 238 mil in the US. I am planning to see it again soon. I can't even remember the last movie I saw more than once in the theatre. Mad Max. Saw it twice in the theater and considered a third. Before that, nothing unless you count the re-releases in 1997. I've seen it three times now, but I am also the weirdo that sat through 6 movies in the theatre before seeing it the first time. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on December 21, 2015, 04:54:00 PM I saw this yesterday and went back today. I think I loved it more the second time when I could take more things in. :awesome_for_real:
Last movie I saw twice in theaters was Dredd. :drill: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ginaz on December 22, 2015, 07:54:19 AM I'll see it again next week when the crowds die down a bit, mostly because the theatre I saw it at had a tiny ass screen and it was hard to see anything clearly. I liked it but not enough to rush out and see it again.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: RhyssaFireheart on December 22, 2015, 10:16:14 AM Probably going to see it again on Christmas day when the husband goes to see "Concussion". I have no desire to see that movie and he already assumed I'd want to see TFA a second time.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on December 22, 2015, 03:01:17 PM Some tracks from the motion picture:
March of the Resistance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk (wow, that's fantastic) Rey's Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM The Jedi Steps and Finale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8 Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 22, 2015, 08:07:48 PM The whole album is on Spotify if you use it.
https://open.spotify.com/album/3fUKGTsiYL1kSroBWBLmmR spotify:album:3fUKGTsiYL1kSroBWBLmmR Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Force wakes up, but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MournelitheCalix on December 23, 2015, 07:22:21 AM Some tracks from the motion picture: March of the Resistance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk (wow, that's fantastic) Rey's Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM The Jedi Steps and Finale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8 John Williams is the Mozart of our time. Absolutely no doubt about it. We live in a time of a genius composer. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Quinton on December 24, 2015, 04:21:07 PM I enjoyed it. Will probably try to catch it again in the theater while it's playing.
Caught it at 11:30am today. It's been forever since I saw a movie in a theater and my local cineplex now has some theaters with crazy comfy reclining seats that you reserve when you order tickets. Wow does that make a big difference to the experience. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on December 28, 2015, 05:45:55 PM So... uh, critics who don't like the movie and who are therefore wrecking it's vitally important Rotten Tomato rank, are receiving death threats.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18720/star_wars_force_awakens_negative_review Quote It has come to my attention that critics who aren’t totally enthusiastic in their praise of Star Wars: The Force Awakens have received death threats from fans. So I’ve been warned. Andrew O’Hehir of Salon was apparently the first reviewer to pan the film, thus ruining its perfect Rotten Tomatoes 100 percent Fresh score and earning the terrifying enmity of people who sometimes dress as Wookies and Ewoks. Though, as O’Hehir pointed out in a published response to the comments urging him to kill himself, his criticism was relatively mild. He argued that too much emphasis was placed on the return of the trilogy’s beloved characters, Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill), Han Solo (Harrison Ford), and Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher). And by having the new characters Rey (Daisy Ridley), Finn (John Boyega), and Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) enact a plot broadly similar to the first Star Wars film back in 1977, The Force Awakens was too familiar, a retread rather than a reboot. Frankly, I could say far worse things about the film, oh so many things that would presumably lead to my assassination by a fanboy death squad. The Force Awakens is one big mass of holes and botches—the kind of big, open, inviting targets that seem to beg you to hit them, in the immortal words of Resistance fighter pilot Poe Dameron, “with everything you’ve got!” The aforementioned letter to the people who want him to die is sumarised here http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/dec/24/star-wars-the-force-awakens-fans-hate-mail-critic-bad-review Quote A US critic has penned an open letter to angry Star Wars fans after being hit with a barrage of hatemail over his negative review of new instalment The Force Awakens. Andrew O’Hehir of Salon magazine is one of just a handful of reviewers to have given JJ Abrams’ space opera reboot a poor verdict - the film has a 95% “fresh” rating on the review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes. After being tagged as part of a Twitter meme, along with several other journalists who delivered a negative verdict, he was told to “die (like Roger Ebert did) and leave us alone” by one Canadian Star Wars fan. O’Hehir has now hit back at his critics in an online essay. “Why is it important to fans of a hugely popular movie, which has already dominated the entertainment media for weeks and will surely wind up among the top-grossing releases of all time, that no one disagrees with them or adopts a more detached perspective?” asks a bewildered O’Hehir. “Why are dissenters from a mass-culture wave phenomenon like The Force Awakens or the Avengers and Dark Knight movies so often subjected to venom and name-calling? “Have we dampened their enormous collective love-fest with our complaints (many of which are exceptionally mild in nature) or our attitudes of irritating intellectual dispassion? Have we cast doubt on the movie’s box-office prospects, or endangered the production of future sequels?” Er, guess so... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on December 28, 2015, 06:26:45 PM And he's surprised by their reaction? Hrrm methinks he loves the publicity.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Draegan on December 28, 2015, 07:19:19 PM Publish a review for clickbait on the internet and you're surprised by the vitriol?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Surlyboi on December 28, 2015, 07:26:29 PM He's not surprised at all.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 28, 2015, 10:16:17 PM But was he asking for it? :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on December 28, 2015, 10:43:22 PM But was he asking for it? :why_so_serious: More, "counting on it". And hoping for more, now that he is feeding the trolls.--Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on December 29, 2015, 01:37:46 AM The guy works for Salon, that's punishment enough.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 29, 2015, 05:13:55 AM He's also fucking full of himself. Wow. Intellectual dispassion?
No good critic thinks they're the be all arbiter whose critical eye is the sole assessor of flaw. They recognize they have biases but still have strong opinions. This isn't science it's culture critique and subject to taste. What a douche. That said, the butt hurt fanboys need to crawl back to their holes and recognize its a movie not a goddamn religion. He's right in his critique but who cares, it was still a great movie for the series. They're acting worse than the Twilight fans they mocked a few years ago and are likely even more socially inept. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on December 29, 2015, 10:31:09 AM Technically in some places, Jedi is a religion. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on December 29, 2015, 12:11:51 PM I saw this. Found out I'm done with Star Wars.
Oh well. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on December 29, 2015, 12:38:41 PM At least you admit it to yourself rather than pitch fits about how it should be different.
Goddamn maturity. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on December 29, 2015, 01:14:33 PM Seen. Enjoyed the experience, first third espeicially.
Clearly designed by committee and lacks any invention, but if I'd just spent four billion on the rights I'd probably have made something similar as the first movie out of the gate. Best I could have expected from JJA and I don't mean that as criticism. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on January 05, 2016, 03:57:03 AM Completely agree with the above.
Second half was a bit rushed, whole film lacked a bit of the Star Wars pacing and buildup and tension, things were raised and resolved too quickly and it just jumped through the hoops too quickly. But I enjoyed it despite all that. Not especially confident they will get it right when they're not following the dot points and are heading out on their own for the next few. All Harrison Ford was the only actor with any personality and the villain was very light weight, without pulling credit from vadar with the ship shots he was almost meaningless. Edit: the more I think about it the less I like it. But I did enjoy it in the cinema. It's just, so lightweight, doesn't have the sense of universe of the other films. Everything is in front of you, there are few suggestions of a wider universe. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on January 05, 2016, 06:15:10 AM All Harrison Ford was the only actor with any personality and the villain was very light weight, without pulling credit from vadar with the ship shots he was almost meaningless. Edit: the more I think about it the less I like it. But I did enjoy it in the cinema. It's just, so lightweight, doesn't have the sense of universe of the other films. Everything is in front of you, there are few suggestions of a wider universe. The second half was rushed and did feel "small" with the instant travel times and stuff. (Which JJ did in Trek too.) I disagree about the actors as I feel everyone was great in this movie. (Well, the major characters). I also quite like Kylo Ren as he is a very different villain than what we usually get in Star Wars. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on January 05, 2016, 06:25:59 AM JJ Abrams made a good movie, good acting good characters good set pieces. Zoom out a little further and you'll quickly discover he made a bad star wars movie.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on January 05, 2016, 11:08:28 PM JJ Abrams made a good movie, good acting good characters good set pieces. Zoom out a little further and you'll quickly discover he made a bad star wars movie. All Star Wars movies are bad to some extent, this is just bad in a way that pisses you personally off. I've never been a big Star Wars person but I readily see how this has less of the imagination and scope that the real nerds might want, however I enjoyed it much more than any of the others at the time of watching. If you want Star Wars to be a thing you obsess and pore your energy in to, Star Citizen style, maybe it's not great. But I'll take this over Jar Jar any day of the week as something I have to actually watch. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 05, 2016, 11:21:45 PM To say this wasn't a star wars movie is just taking what people said about star trek and trolling with it. This was literally by the numbers star wars, is was at maximum capacity for star wars and what many people(rightly) do complain about is that it was too much of the same but to say it wasn't star wars is just flat out wrong.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on January 06, 2016, 02:10:20 AM It was bad star wars didn't say it wasn't star wars. A good star wars material expands or adds to the lore. This movie does none of that, instead just rides nostalgia down to the closing credits. It didn't have to be good star wars, just needed to be well acted and directed.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on January 06, 2016, 10:51:35 AM It was bad star wars didn't say it wasn't star wars. A good star wars material expands or adds to the lore. This movie does none of that, instead just rides nostalgia down to the closing credits. It didn't have to be good star wars, just needed to be well acted and directed. You're wrong. You need to just give this crusade up and walk away. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on January 06, 2016, 05:51:23 PM This movie is so bad it's already passed Avatar for domestic box office. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on January 06, 2016, 06:14:14 PM Transformers: Age of Extinction currently ranks 12 all time, so let's not get too excited about using gross to talk about whether movies are good or not.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 06, 2016, 06:22:27 PM We could use the metric of repeated viewings however.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on January 06, 2016, 06:28:39 PM Transformers: Age of Extinction currently ranks 12 all time, so let's not get too excited about using gross to talk about whether movies are good or not. Yeah, but that's mainly due to China. Star Wars has done 3 times Transformers domestically alone. Also not saying that all these big box office movies are great... I thought Avatar was very meh... and I might have actually enjoyed Transformers more. However, with social media nowadays it's easier for a movie to have a huge first weekend then die the next. Star Wars has been continually performing for the last 3 weeks.. which of course are people viewing it more than once, but also people that normally don't watch movies like this are seeing it. Hell I was surprised to see that almost all of my family has seen it, and most of them rarely go to the theaters for a movie. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on January 06, 2016, 06:58:15 PM Let it go, drider. We didn't listen to the 40 somethings shit on Fast and Furious in 2001, or Mission Impossible in 1996. Why listen to them about Star Wars in 2016?
:why_so_serious: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on January 06, 2016, 07:19:02 PM I'm on the TFA is good side of things, I just don't think ticket sales has anything to do with evaluating whether or not it's good.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on January 06, 2016, 07:48:42 PM Well from MY point of view you're saying it was bad!
Traitor. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/704172/F13%20Photos/Traitor.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soulflame on January 06, 2016, 09:29:58 PM I'm rapidly approaching 50 and I thought TFA was a good star wars movie.
/shrugs Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on January 07, 2016, 01:11:37 AM Of course it was a good Star Wars movie. It couldn't help it, seeing it was exactly the same as ANH.
As I'd mentioned in the other thread, It was an ok movie, it turns out it's ME that's done with Star Wars. I suspect a few of you in this thread would be happier (and posting less) if you admitted it's the same for you. Also, JJ Abrams utterly sucks and it mystifies me why people like his stuff. He's so impatient, it's like watching a teenager fuck a glorious older woman. Take your time and try to inject some wonder into the performance, you fucking dipshit. While that style worked out all right for his first Trek, it didn't really work out here and it certainly didn't work in the second Trek. I love that traitor pic tho. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Megrim on January 07, 2016, 05:08:36 AM He is more suited to Star Wars than he is to Trek. though.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on January 07, 2016, 05:26:06 AM How so ? Or do you mean it worked for you better ?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lucas on January 07, 2016, 05:40:36 AM He's so impatient, it's like watching a teenager fuck a glorious older woman. Well, that's it: I think I just found my new signature :grin: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Megrim on January 07, 2016, 05:56:28 AM How so ? Or do you mean it worked for you better ? Trek carries too much scifi weight despite being pulpy. SW is just pure magical realm so there is more room for lazy movie making. Or in other words, he did essentially the same thing to SW as he did to Trek, but it just works better with SW because it has less established convention. If that makes sense. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on January 07, 2016, 06:04:33 AM Yes, it makes sense. I can see what you mean. I wasn't as offended when he did it with Star Wars (because fucking laser sword wizards) as Star Trek (because there are fucking Hayes manuals written about how the science works.)
Fair enough. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on January 07, 2016, 06:14:13 AM At the end of the day we can shrug our shoulders and say Star Wars was always for kids. Which is sad cause its not like I'm 40 or something.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on January 07, 2016, 07:06:46 AM I'm rapidly approaching 50 and I thought TFA was a good star wars movie. /shrugs Ironwood gets me and captured what I've been trying to express. Maybe folks missed his statement earlier, but that was the reason for my break-down of early Jedi and using two Fun-but-nonsensical movies as examples yesterday. The movies and the entire franchise have never "worked" in the way people are complaining and are pulpy fun. If you have a problem with them now, it's probably you not the movies. I had the same break in the 90s with the EU bullshit. I realized it was no longer for me and moved on, happy with my memories of what it was and leaving it to fans of what I considered drek. There were a lot of people who did and still do love the garbage with the Vong and the Grey Jedi and everything I consider to be bullshit and not-Star-Wars. However that's just, like, my opinion man. Sure it's why I had a lot of glee as the EU was subverted and then jettisoned but only because it selfishly meant I might be able to get into it again. It was about me, not the content. Does this mean it can't be criticized? No, I think there's some strong criticisim to be had. Definitely with the pacing, the 'shrink' of the world, and how things aren't left to "breathe." Which is why the music seems so disconnected from the film. Williams isn't given enough space to breathe into the score after Jakku. Even the Tie vs. Falcon fight was too fast for his composing and he did brilliantly with all the fights in the first two prequels. Which leads to the second big criticism. The runtime is only 15 minutes longer than ANH but it has some dead-end scenes that could be cut to let things breathe. There was no reason for the Death Gang/ Kanji Club/ CGI-Bullshit on the freighter. It could have been cut significantly if not removed so they introduce Han elsewhere, say on Maz's temple where the Autopilot drags the Falcon or a remote "return home" is activated that Rey and Fin can't disable. The cantina scene itself could have been tightened up a bit instead of being where 'things were breathing' because it was pointless to drag things there. You spend 6:18 minutes in the Cantina in ANH and so much happens with so many memorable scenes. We spend almost double that here and so little happens. Wrong place to breathe. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on January 07, 2016, 07:19:14 AM It was the same with Indiana Jones, in fairness. Lots of complaints about how the fourth one just wasn't Indy because of the Aliens, when, actually, it was pretty much as fucking Indy as it could be. Now, was it a GOOD movie ? Debatable. Were you now too fucking old/jaded/whatever to be bothered with more Indy and resented it and thought it 'raped your childhood' ? Maybe.
But it was Indy. It really, really was. It tried so fucking hard to be Indy, it wasn't real. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on January 07, 2016, 07:23:12 AM In fairness, TFA had likable new characters. Indy 4 had Shia Lebouf.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on January 07, 2016, 07:32:03 AM Yes, but that's reasons that the film was good or bad, not reasons that it wasn't Wars or Jones.
And, yes, he was a reason that Indy 4 wasn't as good. I'm not saying there aren't hundreds of reasons. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on January 07, 2016, 07:47:22 AM I have to say that I actually tend to like JJ Abrams except when he's overly interested in homage. Super 8 was a mediocre film because it was such a painful love letter to ET with only a slight nod to modern cinematic sensibilities and more "updated" characters. Mission Impossible 3 was good because it didn't really bother to explain anything it didn't need to and kept you moving. He does have pacing issues and those are abundantly clear in TFA and ST Into Darkness. The difference in one of those movies being utter shit (Into Darkness) and one being a decent Star Wars flick is that the flaws that make you scratch your head in ID take you out of the movie a lot more than the ones in TFA.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on January 07, 2016, 08:59:08 AM I'd argue the flaws in ID take you out of the ST Universe more than out of the movie.
With an original IP setting that movie could have worked. Inside Star Trek with all of its baggage and implications you go, "Wait, the Federation did what with a blackops spaceship? And the badguy beamed halfway across the universe AND killed all of the actual captains when there were only 20 folks in that meeting. Oh and the doctor just cured death?!" Indy 4 had some laughably bad CGI and some over-the-top nonsense that made it bad. But those are also a reflection of how movies have changed in the prior 25 years. We can bitch and moan about how they were 'better' before but we wind-up sounding like the people who bitched about action movies in the 80s and how movies weren't like White Christmas, Ben Hur, Vertigo, An Affair to Remember, and The Day the Earth Stood Still anymore. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on January 07, 2016, 09:12:40 AM Yeah, Star Wars in general does a lot more hand waving about things like light speed travel to begin with. There is some sense of travel time (playing Chess on the Falcon), but not very much generally speaking. Getting from Hoth to Bespin on sublight engines is probably the most obvious example of travel time just being handwaived.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Ironwood on January 07, 2016, 09:19:35 AM Oh come on, it's only a few parsecs away. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on January 07, 2016, 10:06:44 AM Oh come on, it's only a few parsecs away. :why_so_serious: There is one scene in this movie that made me shake my head due to the obvious overlooking of distances... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on January 07, 2016, 11:01:32 AM Even as someone who liked the film, that was a really bad scene.
It's not just the bad science, it thoroughly confused me about where everyone was and as a result what danger everyone was in. Then I remembered it was a JJA film and at least people aren't teleporting across the galaxy. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on January 07, 2016, 11:36:33 AM Are we close to a point where we could merge the two threads? We're past the typical two week spoiler season. If you have not seen it by now, you're probably not reading this thread....
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on January 07, 2016, 07:32:41 PM It was bad star wars didn't say it wasn't star wars. A good star wars material expands or adds to the lore. This movie does none of that, instead just rides nostalgia down to the closing credits. Disagree entirely with the first half of this. The vast majority of awful Star Wars material tries to expand and add to the lore, to disastrous effect. I think it's fair to say that TFA banks heavily on nostalgia and hitting the same beats as the original. But to me the problem with Star Wars has always been that's it's not a universe or a setting that can be or needs to be expanded upon, it's just two good movies and a whole bunch of crap. I suppose you can say that those two movies expand the lore, but they were the first two movies made, so they had no choice - there was nothing to recycle at that point. Star Wars has been all about recycling and nostalgia since Jedi. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on January 07, 2016, 09:34:08 PM I'm not really sure I agree. TFA is a better movie, but the plot is really really bad. The other movies are repetitious, and not great, but they had better basic storylines.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on January 08, 2016, 12:08:44 AM I think there is a balance between given people something new and jumping the shark and more often then not new star wars fluff jumps the shark. Maybe fundamentally you can't extend a fantasy series about the "chosen one" and space wizards, but I'm pretty sure someone can call bullshit on that with examples of other less weighty series chugging along just fine. I don't like lazy writing as excuse because the alternative maybe incompetent writing.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Speedy Cerviche on January 08, 2016, 06:47:46 AM I don't like lazy writing as excuse because the alternative maybe incompetent writing. huh? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on January 08, 2016, 07:23:59 AM I don't like lazy writing as excuse because the alternative maybe incompetent writing. huh? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on January 08, 2016, 11:11:00 AM It was the same with Indiana Jones, in fairness. Lots of complaints about how the fourth one just wasn't Indy because of the Aliens, when, actually, it was pretty much as fucking Indy as it could be. Now, was it a GOOD movie ? Debatable. Were you now too fucking old/jaded/whatever to be bothered with more Indy and resented it and thought it 'raped your childhood' ? Maybe. But it was Indy. It really, really was. It tried so fucking hard to be Indy, it wasn't real. Maybe it's just me but the big thing I think about with both movies is Ford. In Indiana Jones he really felt like he was just barely there and sort of going through the motions. It sucked me right out of the movie. Ford didn't seem interested so why should I be? Oddly, in Star Wars he felt fully engaged. I say oddly because it is widely assumed that he like Indiana Jones much more than Han Solo. Yet, if you watch both movies back to back you can see which one he is putting more effort into and enjoying more. And it ain't Indy 4. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MediumHigh on January 08, 2016, 01:07:44 PM I don't like lazy writing as excuse because the alternative maybe incompetent writing. huh? No. I hate lazy writing. I hate lazy writing because instead of attempting to succeed and run the risk of crashing and burning on your own merits you just fall back on repetition and cliches in order to collect a pay check. Lazy writing is to movies what lazy game design is to mmorpgs. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rendakor on January 08, 2016, 02:20:09 PM I'd argue the flaws in ID take you out of the ST Universe more than out of the movie. This is true. As someone who has only seen a handful of ST episodes and both JJ movies, I thought ID was fine. Not great, not amazing, but not awful. I don't know any of the canon-breaking stuff that's often complained about so I just turned my brain off and enjoyed the ride.With an original IP setting that movie could have worked. Inside Star Trek with all of its baggage and implications you go, "Wait, the Federation did what with a blackops spaceship? And the badguy beamed halfway across the universe AND killed all of the actual captains when there were only 20 folks in that meeting. Oh and the doctor just cured death?!" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on January 08, 2016, 03:43:42 PM Into Darkness would be even worse without the Star Trek parody elements, spotting the references gave me something to do while waiting for it to end.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Furiously on January 10, 2016, 12:48:31 AM I've come to realize what I disliked about the movie... I reverted to my inner 7-12 year old when Long, long ago in a galaxy far away and the big Star Wars came up. And I get all giddy when the Star Wars words appear. I become my 40+ year old self really quickly reading the crawl, it's all Luke this Leia that. With just a small blurb about the first order and nothing about the state of the galaxy. It soured me a bit from the beginning. Course then the Millennium Falcon appeared and I was happy again.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on January 20, 2016, 03:34:47 PM Episode VIII was scheduled for May 2017 - now pushed back to December 2017.
http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-viii-to-open-december-15-2017?cmp=smc%7C339573417&linkId=20528618 (http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-viii-to-open-december-15-2017?cmp=smc%7C339573417&linkId=20528618) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Kail on January 20, 2016, 04:34:51 PM I've come to realize what I disliked about the movie... I reverted to my inner 7-12 year old when Long, long ago in a galaxy far away and the big Star Wars came up. And I get all giddy when the Star Wars words appear. Yeah, had the same experience. Which is kind of weird given that after so many Star Wars games I'm totally sick of booting up a title and reading their crappy backstory one tedious line at a time while the EXACT SAME MUSIC plays for the millionth time. But something about seeing the new movies for the first time in a theater brings out my inner child. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Jeff Kelly on February 11, 2016, 04:47:28 AM The OPENING crawl had A weird fondness for NEEDLESSLY capitalizing RANDOM words.
I'm always astonished that Disney - an international megacorporation that is as greedy as it is cynical - manages to create decent to great movies that regularly. It was fan service, it was a 'best of Star Wars' medley, it was designed to sell a shitload of merchandise and the whole 'Starkiller Base' sequence was utter bollocks. It was designed to pester us with spin-offs and sequels until the heat death of the universe and yet it was an utterly enjoyable and in parts even great movie. They also had Kylo Ren. Granted he is not a very charismatic villain but his motivation for becoming the villain is believable in all of its Oedipalian triteness. Yes it boils down to a misguided act of teenage rebellion, hence the Emo Kylo ren meme, but it was believable. Basically Anakin Skywalker done right. It was also a great example of "show, don't tell". Abrams managed to tell the audience more with one look a characteror gave or a short interaction than Lucas ever could even with hours of expositional dialogue. In part because of daisy Ridley and a cast of equally talented actors that carry and ground the ridiculousness of the set pieces. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on February 11, 2016, 05:22:02 AM I'm always astonished that Disney - an international megacorporation that is as greedy as it is cynical - manages to create decent to great movies that regularly. Managing brands over a long term is kinda their thing. They understand that you don't shit out a bunch of low quality product if you want to be in it for the long haul. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on February 11, 2016, 07:49:39 AM It was also a great example of "show, don't tell". Abrams managed to tell the audience more with one look a characteror gave or a short interaction than Lucas ever could even with hours of expositional dialogue. In part because of daisy Ridley and a cast of equally talented actors that carry and ground the ridiculousness of the set pieces. To be fair, Lucas had a shitton of great actors in the prequels too. He just wrote and directed them so that they couldn't be anything but utterly shitty. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on February 11, 2016, 10:20:07 AM Yeah, the casting of the prequels was perfectly fine. The direction was garbage.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Lakov_Sanite on February 11, 2016, 11:03:08 AM It was also a great example of "show, don't tell". Abrams managed to tell the audience more with one look a characteror gave or a short interaction than Lucas ever could even with hours of expositional dialogue. In part because of daisy Ridley and a cast of equally talented actors that carry and ground the ridiculousness of the set pieces. To be fair, Lucas had a shitton of great actors in the prequels too. He just wrote and directed them so that they couldn't be anything but utterly shitty. Great supporting actors maybe. Both versions of Anakin were atrocious. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on February 11, 2016, 11:19:01 AM Most children suck at acting and Hayden Christianssen isn't amazing, but he's certainly not as bad as the prequels made him look.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on February 11, 2016, 03:47:46 PM It was also a great example of "show, don't tell". Abrams managed to tell the audience more with one look a characteror gave or a short interaction than Lucas ever could even with hours of expositional dialogue. Are you still talking about Abrams? Abrams is all about telling, he's a very surface level director... Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Jeff Kelly on February 11, 2016, 04:43:54 PM Not in the force awakens though.
compared to the prequel trilogy this movie has almost no exposition via dialogue. Most of the scenes manage to convey all you need to know without two people talking about trade embargoes. Either through action or by acting, a concept that somehow never occurred to Lucas. There are actually quite a few scenes in the movie where no one speaks more than a few words and yet the set design, action and facial expressions tell you all you need to know. Take for example the final scene of the movie. Neither Mark Hamill nor Daisy Ridley say a single word and still you can tell everything from their expressions alone. It's not Shakespeare but it's nevertheless a stark contrast to the static and emotionally flat chattiness of the prequel trilogy. The movie also tries to do away with at least some of the tropes. The princess doesn't need rescuing, the villain is not swayed by an emotional appeal and no one constructs artificial drama from the fact that an ex storm trooper might not be that forthcoming about his past It also doesn't fall into the trap of giving the characters too much backstory. It's well made. Which is a surprise after the dreck that was Star Trek into darkness. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goumindong on February 11, 2016, 04:54:09 PM compared to the prequel trilogy this movie has almost no exposition via dialogue. Most of the scenes manage to convey all you need to know without two people talking about trade embargoes. Either through action or by acting, a concept that somehow never occurred to Lucas. Maybe in comparison to the prequel trilogies. But TFA does a LOT of telling and not showing. In particular, like 80% of Han's dialogue is exposition. And if you wonder why Leia felt flat part of it is because roughly 100% of her dialogue was exposition Most children suck at acting and Hayden Christianssen isn't amazing, but he's certainly not as bad as the prequels made him look. He gets a lot of undeserved shit for those really. I mean, if Lucas couldn't get good performances out of the rest of the cast*, Hayden had no chance. *Except the emperor. He fucking hammed it up like nothing else mattered as was generally wonderful. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on February 11, 2016, 09:55:39 PM You pointing that out made me realize what the core problem was: Nobody, in the entire prequels, ever emoted positively. No happiness, the closest thing was Anakin being a smart ass to Kenobi. Even while Anakin and Padme were supposed to be falling in love, they showed about as much emotional involvement as if they were picking out socks.
Everyone started flat, got flatter, until suddenly everyone is pissed off in the last half of the last movie and mugging like they are doing an acting class and it is "Show me ANGER!" day. The only exceptions are the occasional glower from Anakin that was supposed to be foreshadowing...and the Emperor, the only character allowed to show emotion all through the prequels. I am sure that Lucas thought he was making some sort of statement about how baroque and formal the Republic had become. He did it badly. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on February 12, 2016, 06:06:58 PM I have a friend who insists that the first movie is quite good if you see it as about 80% kabuki theater. "Kabuki traditions in Edo and in Kamigata (the Kyoto-Osaka region) were quite different. Through most of the Edo period, kabuki in Edo was defined by extravagance and bombast, as exemplified by stark makeup patterns, flashy costumes, fancy keren (stage tricks), and bold mie (poses)." (Wikipedia)
Meaning in that version at least, acting is unimportant and even story is not that important. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Margalis on February 12, 2016, 07:01:48 PM Edit: eh, too cynical.
Keep discussing Star Wars! Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on February 12, 2016, 08:32:24 PM So, will they remake the prequels? You know there's a gantt chart somewhere with each movie of the new canon staggered a la MCU. Easy to imagine them bolting on a "re-imagined" set of prequels.
So, 2020? 2025? Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on February 12, 2016, 10:26:19 PM I'm not sure what the draw for that would be as opposed to just continuing to do sequels and spinoffs.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on February 13, 2016, 12:05:36 AM Yeah, they'd probably only make 1.5 billion instead of 1.8 billion or whatever.
I mean, you're right, but they would still make bank. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hutch on February 13, 2016, 01:26:46 AM So, will they remake the prequels? You know there's a gantt chart somewhere with each movie of the new canon staggered a la MCU. Easy to imagine them bolting on a "re-imagined" set of prequels. So, 2020? 2025? Will Lucas still be alive in 2025? Let's hope so. Just to jab the knife in a little, everyone should buy two tickets, and the holo-VR-braindump, or whatever default home-viewing tech has succeeded Blu-ray by then. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on February 13, 2016, 02:32:30 AM Yeah, they'd probably only make 1.5 billion instead of 1.8 billion or whatever. I mean, you're right, but they would still make bank. And then what? Would they continue to sell the original prequels? What do they package in with box sets? From a marketing perspective it would be a mess. Plus there are kids who grew up with the prequels who genuinely like them. There's a ton of potential downsides and the only real upside is that they might make around what a new SW movie would make. Again, I'm not really seeing what the draw would be. To appeal to people who are still raging at the prequels over 15 years later and can't just move on with their lives? Most of those people watched Ep. VII anyway. Plus prequels just suck regardless. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: ghost on February 13, 2016, 05:24:08 AM Most children suck at acting and Hayden Christianssen isn't amazing, but he's certainly not as bad as the prequels made him look. The dialogue in episode 2 is just atrocious, particularly the romance shit. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Evildrider on February 13, 2016, 10:52:58 AM I thought Hayden did a lot better in Jumper than he did in Star Wars. He's still just a meh actor, but I blame Lucas and the dialogue more than anything.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on February 13, 2016, 11:08:55 AM Most children suck at acting and Hayden Christianssen isn't amazing, but he's certainly not as bad as the prequels made him look. The dialogue in episode 2 is just atrocious, particularly the romance shit. You couldn't find an actor on earth who could have made that dialog sound good. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soulflame on February 13, 2016, 01:12:36 PM Helen Mirren?
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on February 13, 2016, 02:20:16 PM I think even Helen Mirren would struggle with these lines:
Ooh mooey mooey I love you! Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die? Ohh, maxi big da Force. Well dat smells stinkowiff. IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000061/quotes) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soulflame on February 13, 2016, 02:21:37 PM She's the best I could come up with.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Goumindong on February 13, 2016, 05:12:12 PM You pointing that out made me realize what the core problem was: Nobody, in the entire prequels, ever emoted positively. No happiness, the closest thing was Anakin being a smart ass to Kenobi. Even while Anakin and Padme were supposed to be falling in love, they showed about as much emotional involvement as if they were picking out socks. Everyone started flat, got flatter, until suddenly everyone is pissed off in the last half of the last movie and mugging like they are doing an acting class and it is "Show me ANGER!" day. The only exceptions are the occasional glower from Anakin that was supposed to be foreshadowing...and the Emperor, the only character allowed to show emotion all through the prequels. I am sure that Lucas thought he was making some sort of statement about how baroque and formal the Republic had become. He did it badly. --Dave Yea, there are a couple glimmers. But the dialogue itself is so flat, and the direction so flat that its unsavable. Another example of flat dialogue in TFA is the non-poe x-wing pilots. I don't know what it is about them but it just screams "i am in no danger whatsoever and am reading a line of a teleprompter". As much as "almoost ther-ER!" is derided is actually sounds like someone talking to another person with trepidation and anxiety. And in TFA everyone is like "Shoot all our guns at that thing" "ok, shooting it more" "hit it with everything you've got" "ok hitting it with everything i have got the second time after i already hit it with all i had"*. Its weird, they aren't even robotic like say "Iceman" was robotic. They just existed. The good thing about TFA is that the main characters don't really have much dialogue like this. The bad dialogue falls mainly onto supporting cast or transitioning cast and sometimes onto the villains(Finn has some bad ones but they're not flat bad, they're just pointless bad. And the Villain ones are hammy as opposed to crisp, but not bad hammy just like pointlessly hammy). In the prequels it falls everywhere. *Part of the reason is that this dialogue isn't "moving". In that it doesn't give us new or interesting information besides saying "things are still the way they are". In Star Wars all of the dialogue that the X-wing pilots give actually define and structure the battle in a knowable way. They tell us when the battle starts "Set s-Foils to attack position". They tell us how the empire responds "The guns have stopped?! We have incoming ties from the rear". They let us know that each group is doing something specific and important and it makes us care about each pilot, even though we know that it has to be Luke in the end to blow the thing up. There is nothing like this in TFA. Just "we are still trying to blow up the thing with our weapons" Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on February 13, 2016, 10:56:02 PM Plus prequels just suck regardless. They are the dry humping of writing. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on February 14, 2016, 02:11:18 AM Most children suck at acting and Hayden Christianssen isn't amazing, but he's certainly not as bad as the prequels made him look. The dialogue in episode 2 is just atrocious, particularly the romance shit. You couldn't find an actor on earth who could have made that dialog sound good. Fwiw, I thought McGregor and McDiarmid both did pretty well with what was in front of them. Portman's and Christiansen's dialog was probably not salvagable. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Shannow on February 14, 2016, 07:13:49 AM Plus prequels just suck regardless. They are the dry humping of writing. Pfft that's doing dry humping a disservice. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Fabricated on April 11, 2016, 08:03:15 AM I was planning on buying this on Blu-ray or whatever and now with it being available I discover I don't have a particularly strong desire to rewatch it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: BobtheSomething on April 11, 2016, 04:16:26 PM I was planning on buying this on Blu-ray or whatever and now with it being available I discover I don't have a particularly strong desire to rewatch it. Uh oh. That's the Into Darkness effect. It only gets worse over time. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on April 11, 2016, 05:57:19 PM Yeah, as was discussed when it came out it's a one and done movie. It's so shallow that watching it again offers no novel or imaginative rewards.
I was bored out of my brain on an international flight recently and decided to have a nap instead of watch it again. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on April 11, 2016, 06:48:34 PM I liked it but...yeah. There's not much hiding inside of it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on April 11, 2016, 08:12:46 PM Needs a Director's cut!
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on April 11, 2016, 08:22:39 PM I wanna see the train wreck of a Lucas edition.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on April 11, 2016, 09:09:13 PM Only thing I really got from watching it again is that I am pretty certain that Rey has to be Luke's daughter. That line after she touches the light sabre, has visions, and nopes out to the hallway seems like pretty clear telegraphing:
Quote Maz - "That lightsaber was Luke's, and his father's before him and now it calls to you!" This being right after Maz asked Han "Who's the girl?" and they cut away. Other than that, yeah, it's a fun movie, but if there's much lurking under the surface (besides obviously cut scenes) we won't know until it comes up in the next two movies. Worth watching again, but you can just zone out between action scenes and not feel like you missed much. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on April 12, 2016, 09:44:29 AM I wanna see the train wreck of a Lucas edition. Luke is now a Frog. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Hutch on April 12, 2016, 10:43:58 AM Luke is now Yoda. (https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/719239858087182336)
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Trippy on April 15, 2016, 11:05:11 AM angry.bob, stop shitting up non-Politics threads.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: angry.bob on April 15, 2016, 11:28:35 AM eh, fuck it. Anything posted outside of politics is going to be "shitting". whatevs, got it.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Triforcer on June 01, 2016, 07:28:49 AM Actually just saw this for the first time on a plane today. Loved it, my only gripe is that it does a very bad job explaining the political status of the galaxy as it stands 30 years after the battle of Endor.
Does the First Order control most/all/some of the galaxy? How about the Republic? Why are the Resistance and the Republic different? How could the First Order "destroy" the Republic by killing one or two planets? If you had a general scifi (but non-Star Wars) background, you'd come out of this thinking this was a fight between 2 or 3 neighboring planets. Maybe some of this was deliberate (i.e., leaving rich ground for novels, post-Endor pre-Episode 7 prequels, etc.) but this really irritated me. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: kaid on June 01, 2016, 07:50:19 AM You pointing that out made me realize what the core problem was: Nobody, in the entire prequels, ever emoted positively. No happiness, the closest thing was Anakin being a smart ass to Kenobi. Even while Anakin and Padme were supposed to be falling in love, they showed about as much emotional involvement as if they were picking out socks. Everyone started flat, got flatter, until suddenly everyone is pissed off in the last half of the last movie and mugging like they are doing an acting class and it is "Show me ANGER!" day. The only exceptions are the occasional glower from Anakin that was supposed to be foreshadowing...and the Emperor, the only character allowed to show emotion all through the prequels. I am sure that Lucas thought he was making some sort of statement about how baroque and formal the Republic had become. He did it badly. --Dave Yea, there are a couple glimmers. But the dialogue itself is so flat, and the direction so flat that its unsavable. Another example of flat dialogue in TFA is the non-poe x-wing pilots. I don't know what it is about them but it just screams "i am in no danger whatsoever and am reading a line of a teleprompter". As much as "almoost ther-ER!" is derided is actually sounds like someone talking to another person with trepidation and anxiety. And in TFA everyone is like "Shoot all our guns at that thing" "ok, shooting it more" "hit it with everything you've got" "ok hitting it with everything i have got the second time after i already hit it with all i had"*. Its weird, they aren't even robotic like say "Iceman" was robotic. They just existed. The good thing about TFA is that the main characters don't really have much dialogue like this. The bad dialogue falls mainly onto supporting cast or transitioning cast and sometimes onto the villains(Finn has some bad ones but they're not flat bad, they're just pointless bad. And the Villain ones are hammy as opposed to crisp, but not bad hammy just like pointlessly hammy). In the prequels it falls everywhere. *Part of the reason is that this dialogue isn't "moving". In that it doesn't give us new or interesting information besides saying "things are still the way they are". In Star Wars all of the dialogue that the X-wing pilots give actually define and structure the battle in a knowable way. They tell us when the battle starts "Set s-Foils to attack position". They tell us how the empire responds "The guns have stopped?! We have incoming ties from the rear". They let us know that each group is doing something specific and important and it makes us care about each pilot, even though we know that it has to be Luke in the end to blow the thing up. There is nothing like this in TFA. Just "we are still trying to blow up the thing with our weapons" Ironically the pilots sounding like they are reading from a telepromter is pretty much fighter pilot 101 radio voice. If you ever hear radio chatter of actual fighter pilots it is like they are having a competition to see who is more blase about things exploding around them. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on June 01, 2016, 11:31:26 AM Not unlike this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WBG2rJZGW8 The point about ANH dialog saying something more meaningful about the battle is a good one, I'm not sure reading off a teleprompter thing is as fair. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: calapine on October 03, 2016, 09:07:19 AM The Red Letter Media Plinket Review is out.
1 hour 45 minutes! :pedobear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miVRaoR_8xQ#t=4.216878 Edit: Now that I am 45 mins in, this one is more a general "State of the Star Wars Franchise" assessment. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 03, 2016, 09:32:16 AM I really wish he'd drop the gimmick.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 03, 2016, 09:36:57 AM Gimmick has definitely way, way outworn its welcome. This installment is pretty boring.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rishathra on October 03, 2016, 10:09:07 AM To be fair, he mostly has dropped the gimmick. RLM fans have just been pestering him for years about when the next Plinkett review will come out. I bet he only does it to get them to shut up for a little while.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 03, 2016, 10:16:06 AM The Plinkett joke stuff has gotten extremely tired.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: satael on October 03, 2016, 10:36:23 AM Best of the Worst has probably been the best stuff RLM has released in the last few years since the movies etc they cover in those haven't been done by countless others for the most part. The "prequel Plinketts" were something original back when they came out but the new one while containing much of the same fails to make an impact (kind of like SW7 was compared to the original trilogy in my opinion).
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 03, 2016, 10:37:21 AM I'd have been happiest if he dropped the gimmick about 10 minutes in to the first one.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 03, 2016, 11:38:48 AM I'm now 45 minutes into this one and goddamn if he has yet to actually start talking about the movie he's reviewing. He's spending a fuckload of time talking about Disney's purchase of the franchise and criticizing/deconstructing idiotic Internet blogs who are apologizing for the prequels.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 04, 2016, 03:58:30 AM Plinkett stuff aside, I was interested enough to sit through his comments on Disney's overall approach. But the whole "someone is wrong on the internet" bit I could have lived without.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 04, 2016, 07:14:14 AM That video should have been about 20 minutes - which is about how much time he spent talking about the Force Awakens, and most of the review could be summed up by "good, not great, a fan service-filled safe reboot that I enjoyed but could have been better." That's it. That's the whole goddamn take. The dissertation on the Disney approach was interesting but should have been a separate video. The whole "Stupid Internet Theories" section was just self-indulgent and silly.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: pxib on October 04, 2016, 07:29:20 AM The whole thing came across, to me, as a LEAVE ME ALONE ABOUT PLINKETT REVIEWS fuck you to the audience. Trolling and spraying diarrhea rather than actually saying much of anything that hadn't been said before. It all seemed like one big suggestion to go read about uninspiring movies somewhere else.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samprimary on October 04, 2016, 08:37:32 AM man we waited so long for this but it has definitely fallen far short of the quality of the original trilogy
wait Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Soln on October 04, 2016, 08:47:51 PM I could've done without the pizza scene and the final explosion, but otherwise it was good enough to sit through (while doing something else).
Ed: spelling Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on October 04, 2016, 08:58:51 PM His proposed plot for a better Ep VII was pretty damn good. He actually captured a couple things that I intuited but couldn't really pin down re: how lifeless it was in many respects. I like how he has almost cast his philosophical lot with Lucas at this point over Disney.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: MahrinSkel on October 04, 2016, 10:03:52 PM No. Lucas is as free to have opinions about Star Wars as any other geek (who royally fucked the franchise), and they count for exactly as much as any other random asshole with opinions.
Seriously, fuck Lucas. Phantom Menace used up all his geek cred, the next two put him him in a karmic hole he couldn't dig out of even if he hired someone to follow him around the rest of his life, spouting random Jar-Jar quotes. --Dave Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 05, 2016, 05:43:59 AM Tbe point that "at least the prequels were new films" is a fair one that I hadn't really considered. Obviously I'd still rather have vacuous explosions than the preqiels.
I'm hoping the 'a star wars story' films are a way to do something a little different. But again his point about marvel is valid and not overly hopeful. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 05, 2016, 07:22:11 AM Tbe point that "at least the prequels were new films" is a fair one that I hadn't really considered. Sure, but they were really bad bad bad fucking films on almost every level, including the levels that Lucas should have crushed - things like special effects that look real instead of Roger Rabbit levels of disconnect. For tentpole, franchise level adventure movies, I'll take "fan service" over "being different" every day of the week. It wasn't like Lucas suddenly turned the franchise into THX 1138 art films - he repeated themes and stylistic touches from the first trilogy constantly. Rogue One, for all of it being an unnecessary story told, looks like it will be more of a "different" type of movie than the prequels were. It looks like Dirty Dozen war movie in Star Wars, as opposed to what the fuck ever the prequels were supposed to be. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 05, 2016, 10:54:59 AM I hope so. And it does have a really cool trailer. But equally I'm nervous that Disney's other big cinematic universe doesn't achieve that kind of variation. Plus Disney not having sufficient confidence to leave out either Darth Vader or Han Solo isn't filling me with confidence.
I think Star Wars needs the variety more than the MCU because SW can't distract you with 90 minutes introducing how a guy can shrink to the size of an ant - there will always be jedi and laser guns. They have to do something new with them. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 05, 2016, 01:24:22 PM I would actually find it peculiar for them to leave Darth Vader out of this story, considering what it is.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on October 05, 2016, 10:31:32 PM - there will always be jedi and laser guns. They have to do something new with them. No they don't. They need to have a cool space battle or two. They need a few extremely cool lightsaber battles. A couple of well-done blaster battles. Add in a swash buckling male lead (or two) with some funny lines and an extremely hot female character. Bonus points for a cool bad guy. Avoid CGI whenever possible. Done. They wouldn't even need a story at all and I'd still watch it 5 times. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on October 06, 2016, 11:36:10 AM Here's the thing with nerds. Stick to your pretentious Star Trek for your pseudoscientific nonsense and hackneyed social commentary.
This is Star Wars: (http://www.theerrolflynnblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bal3.jpg) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on October 06, 2016, 01:16:05 PM Ok, but like, you can still do something different. In the context of, NOT COMPLETELY REMAKING THE FIRST MOVIE OVER AGAIN. I enjoyed the latest film, they seem to have a lot of the feeling down, and understand what made the originals great (unlike Lucas). However, it did feel bland in that most of it felt like a forced remake of the first movie with forced nostalgia references. My main hope is that they got it all out of their system with the first film, and we can move on for the next two.
So yes, laser sword fights, WW2 in space, and pew pew. Great, full speed ahead. Lets just like, try a more original story that hasn't been done in that context yet. KotoR did it, I'm sure billions of dollars in Disney bucks can find a writer who can do it here as well. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: TheWalrus on October 06, 2016, 03:24:03 PM Hire the guys that did Rebels or Clone Wars. Lot of good stories in there.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 06, 2016, 07:30:03 PM So yes, laser sword fights, WW2 in space, and pew pew. The prequels did all that with "better" effects. Still sucked. :why_so_serious: I do continually get gobsmacked by movies/franchises that take a simple premise or set of checkboxes and manage to fuck it up so royally. Matthew Broderick Godzilla, the prequels. I mean, I think writing is hard but writing a good Star Wars movie should not be fucking hard. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 08, 2016, 05:47:22 AM This conversation is creating very polar opinions.
(http://i.imgur.com/k5df8lX.gif) Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on October 08, 2016, 07:33:29 AM Tbe point that "at least the prequels were new films" is a fair one that I hadn't really considered. Obviously I'd still rather have vacuous explosions than the preqiels. I'm hoping the 'a star wars story' films are a way to do something a little different. But again his point about marvel is valid and not overly hopeful. Didn't we argue about this for like 30 pages earlier? I'd rather they they have the ambition to try, I'd risk 30 prequel movies even if only a couple worked out before I'd sign up for more empty jjabrams crap. They're entirely vacuous. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on October 08, 2016, 04:08:57 PM I'd rather watch 30 good non-SW movies than 30 prequel-quality SW movies in the hopes of getting a couple good ones.
The original Star Wars came out almost 40 years ago. It's time to move on with your lives instead of worrying about what Disney is going to do with the franchise that just made them $2 billion in theaters alone. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Reg on October 08, 2016, 05:53:00 PM Damn Velorath now you're giving me Margalis flashbacks. :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Velorath on October 08, 2016, 06:33:53 PM He didn't even like the original movies. I enjoy them but I'm fully aware that they were the product of a certain set of circumstances that aren't going to be recaptured four decades later unless Disney is able to develop a time machine with their billions of dollars. In the meantime as someone who watches a ton of movies a year I find it hard to obsess about one franchise to the extent that I need to watch a movie length youtube video of someone picking apart the latest SW movie and SW fan theories.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: TheWalrus on October 11, 2016, 11:59:08 PM https://youtu.be/N9j9pGi-l4c
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 12, 2016, 02:52:31 AM I would actually find it peculiar for them to leave Darth Vader out of this story, considering what it is. Darth Vader called in at the end to hunt down the stolen plans or a so quick you'd miss it Solo cameo in some cantina seem reasonable but not really necessary. Both strike me as overkill. Vader seems detached from the Death Star project in ANH so having him involved except under sufferance feels odd. Even for the Tantive IV boarding I always saw Vader feeling this entire excercise is beneath him and he regards it as a few days of his life which he will not get back and so wants this shit over with as quickly as possible. Cooincidentally one of few aspects if his character that the prequels managed to deliver on. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 12, 2016, 03:09:41 AM Vader was dispatched by the Emperor to recover the plans in old lore. This appears to be the root of the Rogue One story they are going with, including the battle on the beach planet, now called
http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/road-star-wars-rogue-one-stealing-death-star-plans Since the Rebellion is still nascent and has had no victories, Vader would indeed see this beneath him. It's a task they would have used the Inquisitors for. We'll see in Rebels why there aren't any replacements for the ones Maul killed I suppose. However, they appear to be expanding Vaders role. Hopefully so he hunts down and kill the spies, the last of whom transmits them to Leia moments before being killed. Rumor is it's more like Vader is in early on to set up the conflict of why Director Krennic has his own little cache of forces. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 12, 2016, 06:28:32 AM I've gotten the impression from both older EU stuff and the newer comics and books that Vader may have begun seriously plotting against the Emperor even before ANH and being aware he had a son, so it might be that the Death Star is as much the Emperor's counterplay against Vader as it is anything else. E.g., it gives him something that lets him act directly to control the galaxy, so that he doesn't have to rely on his Sith apprentice as his consigliere. Which could add an interesting element to the movie if they play that out--Vader sent to retrieve the plans, Vader allowing the plans to slip through his fingers...
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on October 13, 2016, 07:42:31 AM I've gotten the impression from both older EU stuff and the newer comics and books that Vader may have begun seriously plotting against the Emperor even before ANH and being aware he had a son, so it might be that the Death Star is as much the Emperor's counterplay against Vader as it is anything else. E.g., it gives him something that lets him act directly to control the galaxy, so that he doesn't have to rely on his Sith apprentice as his consigliere. Which could add an interesting element to the movie if they play that out--Vader sent to retrieve the plans, Vader allowing the plans to slip through his fingers... That would change everything that folly from ANH on. People do not embrace this type of ' Iknow you thought he was X based upon everything you see, but he was really Y... see how I changed everythin!' move. It'd go over bad. Very bad.Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 13, 2016, 08:09:23 AM Really? You mean as if they'd done something like, "You think Vader is just a bad guy who killed the Jedi but actually he's Luke Skywalker's father?" That kind of thing that people do not embrace? The sort of later revelation that changes what you thought you knew about a character? Yeah, I see your point. That does go over bad, very bad.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 13, 2016, 08:44:36 AM Yeah, I think given what we know about Sith, and how the apprentice is EXPECTED to kill their master, making Vader into a guy who is trying to kill the Emperor would be perfect.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 13, 2016, 09:05:30 AM Pretty sure Vader explictly expressed a preference for destroying the Emperor in the second film.
That said, the last thing star wars needs is to add more to the core Vader story - not least as it forces the prequeks and the character of Anakin back to the fore. If they want to use Vader - best way is as an implacable force to run from, not to give him another arc. The way Rebels used him. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: jgsugden on October 13, 2016, 11:31:01 AM New Hope, Empire and Jedi originate, with much change, from Lucas' original vision. Everything in them is part of "the plan", even if the plan evolved as it was told.
Going back now, decades later, and telling people there was something else going on, something not part of the original plan, would piss them off. For comparison, let's say they released Iron Man IV in 2020. In it, Tony Stark reveals that Dr. Strange came to him prior to the events of Iron Man I and warned him that Obadiah Stane was working against him, but the only way to stop and save the word was to get caught in an ambush, create the Iron Man armor, etc... Stupid, huh? Saying Vader let Rebels steal the plans, Vader wasn't trying to recover them, Vader wanted the Death Star destroyed, Vader let the Rebels blow it up (nearly getting killed in the process), etc... is the same level of stupidity. Go back and watch New Hope with that theory in mind and it makes Vader as stupid as he was in prequels... (so I guess on that level it does work). As for Vader's comments in Empire that he wanted Luke to join him to rule the galaxy by his side: They're there and would align with the story - but I think most people write that off as Vader lying to Luke when trying to seduce him. There are countless moments where Vader could swing a lightsaber and take charge. He doesn't do it. He is at his weakest when he finally does strike down the Emperor, so we know it wasn't that he lacked the capability.... He was the Emperor's lap dog. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: lamaros on October 13, 2016, 09:56:09 PM I forget why I open these threads most days.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 14, 2016, 05:10:10 AM Frankly reading that theory makes me think "EU fan wank," and you might as well say that Vader was sekretly working with the big muscley Mandeloreans to destroy the empire.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sky on October 16, 2016, 01:01:52 PM There was so much great stuff at the core of the prequels, but it was so horribly written and shot. That's the other reason for anger about it. The new stuff is shot well, there is some fun dialogue, even if the plot is thus far apparently weaker. It was just a better movie.
So much effects wankery needed to be pulled from the prequel, from the pod racing to the gladiator arena to the ridiculous droid factory (aka flying R2 scene). And I'm down with any added plot elements of Vader's treachery. He's a Sith. That's how they roll...when they can get away with it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on October 19, 2016, 08:23:03 AM A story about the rise of the Emperor and fall of Anakin isn't a bad idea. Nor is the broad strokes of the prequel's story. But the movies were terrible movies, and that's what mattered in the end. It's been discussed to death though, so the specifics aren't worth reiterating for the nth time.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 21, 2016, 07:25:03 AM Its only getting brought up again becasue the internet hive mind is still sulky about losing the arguments where defended those movies to death and still wants to believe it was really right about Lucas being a misunderstood genius, so there has to be SOMETHING, ANYTHING good about those movies.
The fall of a hero is a classic story that has been told for thousands of years. It's a good story. It was done extremely badly in these movies. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2016, 08:22:43 AM Not the Internet hive mind hates them because nothing can stand up to the power of nostalgia and memories of being 7. The rest of the population will agree they have hammy scripts and bad direction but otherwise thought they were passable.
As I said 10 years ago and in every argument since; the kids who grew up with them don't hate them. They still don't and I've even seen pieces defending them by 20-30 somethings. http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/12/02/star-wars-prequel-trilogy-defense/76628934/ http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic-31/i-love-the-star-wars-prequels-472036/ http://sabotagetimes.com/tv-film/jar-jar-binks-and-9-reasons-why-the-star-wars-prequels-are-underrated Bitter old Gen x men will only become the boomers they hate in time. Longing for a past nobody gives a shit about and wasn't really how they remembered in the first place. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Teleku on October 21, 2016, 10:17:32 AM Bitter old Gen x men will only become the boomers they hate in time. Longing for a past nobody gives a shit about and wasn't really how they remembered in the first place. (http://www.rainestorm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/InceptionOldSaito.jpg)Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on October 21, 2016, 01:52:36 PM As I said 10 years ago and in every argument since; the kids who grew up with them don't hate them. They still don't and I've even seen pieces defending them by 20-30 somethings. That's not adoration though. That's "eh, they really weren't as bad as my Gen X folks/relatives said they were", kinda forgettable, especially in the face of Harry Potter, Hunger Games, and Divergent. Of course Ep 7 reset this, being the SW for everyone , not just the apologists, and except for the perpetually angry :wink: Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2016, 02:06:31 PM Those are articles, yes. However, I've encountered plenty of 20-somethings in the last 10 months of 501st stuff to say there's a good chunk who do in fact love them.
We all agree that Jar-Jar sucked, though. So there's that. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on October 21, 2016, 03:18:34 PM Yea, but is it adults going to *cons as Darth Maul frothing over Leia outfits and writing fanfic only they and three others would even understand level of irrational love?
Or is it just, like, "oh I loved that movie"? Because it's not good enough if it's not the first thing :grin: In other words: Quote That isn't good enough! They have got to be so scared to miss it, so terrified! Now, if I were in charge, and I AM... Perhaps I can help you. Here's what I'd do. Grace, cue it up. Acid rain. Drug addiction. International terrorism. Freeway killers. Now, more than ever... ..we must remember the true meaning of Christmas. Don't miss Charles Dickens' immortal classic, "Scrooge", Your life might just depend on it. Kidding aside, they get Jar Jars to our Ewoks... potentless edit: the Scrooged quote... 'tis the season Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2016, 09:20:23 PM Yea, but is it adults going to *cons as Darth Maul frothing over Leia outfits and writing fanfic only they and three others would even understand level of irrational love? Or is it just, like, "oh I loved that movie"? The former. Plenty of Maul, Emo-Anakin, Padme players out there. Lots of love for Clones (not just the animated ones) and a number of prequel Jedi. Including folks who are really into the backstory of lame characters like Kitt Fisto (and don't laugh at the name when saying it like I do.) There's a whole world outside of the 37-50 demographic. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Azuredream on October 22, 2016, 12:09:52 PM Merusk sounds pretty correct to me. When I was 10 me and all my friends were psyched to see Star Wars: The Phantom Menace and we thought it was awesome. When the second one came out we all talked about how awesome Yoda fighting was. Then the third was even better than the first two. It was a surprise to me to find out they were so hated later on. I read the criticisms and thought 'yeah, that's all pretty true' and yet at the same time I still don't mind watching the prequels. Probably because of the nostalgia factor.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Venkman on October 23, 2016, 06:32:40 AM Fine. Then I'll go with "these kids have no idea what a really good movie is, what happened to wanting quality?!?" then :geezer:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 23, 2016, 07:40:39 AM It happened when the slow and careful Rapier duel of Vader and Obi Wan and the desperate and powerful Saber duel of Vader and Luke became stupid Morris dancing in the Prequels. :geezer:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Samwise on October 23, 2016, 09:29:20 AM It happened when the slow and careful Rapier duel of Vader and Obi Wan and the desperate and powerful Saber duel of Vader and Luke became stupid Morris dancing in the Prequels. :geezer: I have never heard that comparison drawn to the prequel choreography and I love it. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on October 23, 2016, 11:08:27 PM Oh, this shit is ON now. :grin:
The "Rapier duel" was honestly extremely lame. I even remember when I saw it the first time twelve hundred years ago thinking that it was actually pretty terrible. It had good emotional impact, but looked like too old farts who had no idea what they were doing (which it apparently was). It also does not hold up well at all...although not formally trained in any way, I have no doubt that I could go in and slaughter either of those two, no problem. Episode 5 and 6 had really excellent duels. Desperate and powerful...good description. Episode 1: I still think the Duel of the Fates is one of my favorites. A bit on the dancey side, but also powerful and well choreographed. Maul was a legit badass character, and the music helped a great deal. Motherfuckers getting punched, kicked, impaled, cut in half. Episode 2: Erm, not so good. Yoda vs. Dooku was kinda cool the first time, but nah. The rest was poodoo. Episode 3: Choreographed to the extreme. Like, to a ridiculous extreme and not in a good way. Okay the first time, seemingly more ridiculous on repeated viewings. Obi vs. Anakin at the end was pure dance. And it was a shame, because both the actors ended up appearing extremely talented by that point. Episode 7: A bit more back in the style of 5 and 6, obviously. I am worried about what we saw out of Daisy. For the first time she ever holds a lightsaber, fine, she's a novice, but I was never really convinced that she could have legitimately beat Driver (who did quite well). I have to hand wave it away with a bit of "he was injured" and "her force meter was super full". What I am saying is that she does not seem to have the natural physical tools to convincingly twirl a saber around and fight with it. Close, but a just a bit off. It will be interesting to see if she evolves her actual skill for episode 8. Looking the novice is not going to fly the next time. Oh who am I kidding, I fucking love Daisy Ridley and will probably be back here in a year arguing about how awesome she is. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on October 23, 2016, 11:59:12 PM Quote It had good emotional impact That's the whole fucking point. It's an old guy who was chilling in the desert for 30 years against a half-machine brute who has no peripheral vision. Plus, the one guy is really just stalling, knowing he is going to die, so the others can escape. It's great. Fucking Sonic-Yoda is a travesty next to that. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on October 24, 2016, 12:21:21 AM I don't disagree with you. My complaint about the duel in ANH is more that it just looks like neither of them had a clue how to actually wield a sword. It works for other reasons, in spite of that. But as an actual swordfighting display, it is weak as hell. My son and I have put on more convincing displays when he was 5.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Abagadro on October 24, 2016, 12:24:32 AM It's Sir Alec Guinness. Fuck you. :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: eldaec on October 24, 2016, 01:28:58 AM Although obviously a different thing, Maul vs Obi-Wan and Liam Neeson was pretty cool.
Except for being intercut with bullshit. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on October 24, 2016, 02:12:12 AM It's Sir Alec Guinness. Fuck you. :why_so_serious: You'd think that having "sir" in your name would require you to have some innate sword-wielding abilities built into your dna, but alas, it did not in his case. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Rishathra on October 24, 2016, 06:23:04 AM I'm pretty sure Alec Guinness could do some legit sword fighting at one point, but I seem to recall an anecdote from Ep. 4 about how the lightsaber props were really fragile. They were basically fiberglass rods that you shone light on to make them sorta kinda glowy, and you couldn't do anything even resembling a full fledged hit without shattering them, which is why all the swings were so lame. Also, Alec Guinness didn't give two rat fucks about the movie, so I'll bet he wasn't interested in bringing his fencing A-game.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on October 24, 2016, 06:58:31 AM The Vader vs Obi-Wan duel, to me, is really interesting because of the story behind it. Not just the obvious emotional beat but I interpreted the entire duel through this lens:
Vader: Christ, last time I fought him he cut me into little pieces and tossed me into lava. (Even as a kid, I knew Obi Wan whipped Vader's ass in the past, not when I saw ANH but by the early 80s it was "common" knowledge.) Ok...so, let's just sort of poke at him and see what happens. Oh, shit! He swung at me. Ok...taunt him a little, try not to act scared! Obi-Wan: Damn it kids, get to the spaceship, I'm tired and out of shape. Ok, let's just keep batting his swings away. I can do this all day. Probably. As for Episode 7, it felt like the first movie to truly show a novice with a saber. We never really got to see Luke go through this incredibly awkward phase. But Daisy? She picks it up and what does she do? She tries to stab with it! And her swings are big and wide and flailing around. And I loved it. Normally, Kylo Ren would have turned her into little pieces of Daisy petals but I think he didn't for three reasons: 1) He was clearly intrigued by her. I think it is obvious that he knows who she is and wants to see what she is capable of. "WHAT GIRL?" 2) He was doing the whole Vader "maybe I can turn her to the dark side" schtick. "I can train you." 3) He'd been shot in the gut by Chewie's bowcaster then fought Finn. I think even Finn got in a hit on him. By the time he took her seriously she'd charged up her force meter and was in the middle of an unblockable combo attack. His player is just lucky he didn't have to insert another quarter to continue. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Trippy on October 24, 2016, 07:03:59 AM You left out that he was still upset from killing his father.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on October 24, 2016, 08:35:02 AM You left out that he was still upset from killing his father. Yeah, I'm glad JJ says in the new commentary track that Kylo was truly wavering in that scene and not just playing Han. Then again he added "In Star Wars when two figures walk out on a narrow bridge with a high fall beneath them it's not ending well for one of them." Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: TheWalrus on October 24, 2016, 11:25:01 AM Daisy pedals Petals. Flowers have petals, bikes have pedals. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: WayAbvPar on October 24, 2016, 08:52:06 PM Although obviously a different thing, Maul vs Obi-Wan and Liam Neeson was pretty cool. Except for being intercut with bullshit. That duel, and the previous one where Maul bails off the speeder right into a lightsaber swing are far and away my favorite parts of the prequels. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: HaemishM on October 25, 2016, 08:52:57 AM I try to only remember the parts with Maul in Ep1 and forget the rest of the shitty prequel trilogy existed because holy fuck was it bad.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Riggswolfe on October 26, 2016, 12:06:28 PM Daisy pedals Petals. Flowers have petals, bikes have pedals. Serves me right for trying to get cute. After typing it I was like "something isn't right here..." then shrugged and moved on. I try to only remember the parts with Maul in Ep1 and forget the rest of the shitty prequel trilogy existed because holy fuck was it bad. I enjoyed the pod racing I have to admit. And I enjoyed seeing what a badass Obi-Wan was in his prime. The rest I could have done without. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Cyrrex on October 27, 2016, 10:24:11 AM Ewan MacGregor transcended the script in all three movies. He was one of the few consistent bright spots.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Malakili on October 27, 2016, 05:52:58 PM Maul was a legit badass character Maul has no character. He was more plot device than character. The fact that you actually wrote that as a part of a sentence is pretty much all the evidence I need to ignore anything you say about film forever. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Merusk on October 27, 2016, 05:55:17 PM Ewan MacGregor transcended the script in all three movies. He was one of the few consistent bright spots. It helps the dude's a legit Star Wars freak. (and the nephew of Wedge.) He and Sam Jackson clearly had the most fun. (to the point McGregor had to be told, frequently, to stop making saber sounds when fighting.) He cared more about giving a performance than even Lucas. Portman was clearly over it by the midpoint of the first movie. Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Khaldun on October 27, 2016, 06:19:09 PM Portman and apparently Liam Neeson developed a really intense dislike for Lucas, from what I understand.
Title: Re: SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE. Post by: Sir T on October 27, 2016, 10:29:17 PM Liam Neeson was probably the best art of the Fandom Penance. He actually was acting something like a believable person.
On his Autobiography "Lord of Misrule," Christopher Lee says that there was one scene where he was on a cloud bike and they were blowing a fan in his face, so he found it hard to put on an expression and so he decided to keep his face as blank as possible in that scene. Ron Howard was viditing the scene that day, and when the scene wrapped he was gushing "Its all there!!!" Lee asked "What is?" and Howard continued gusking "the expression on your face! Its wonderful! Its all there!" As for Lucas, Lee said simply "He knew exactly what he wanted." The implication of that, with the above anecdote, kinda hints that Lee despised him but was too classy to say so in his book. |