Fallout 4 Post-Release Bullshit

[calapine]

Look at the X-Box framerate hö hö hö  

It's a full 2 second freeze, from 2:06 to 2:08: Fallout 4 PS4 vs Xbox One Frame-Rate Test

[calapine]

Also, personally I am not very sensitive to FPS and screen tearing, but the texture popping here is annoying:




Look at the windows, the screenshots are 1 second apart. The sudden pop from grey dark to white stands out even in on crappy you tube quality.





3 seconds apart. The white-green blinds fade in rather than "pop", but the the house is already way too close on the screen to produce a graceful transition or avoid the player noticing the change.

Edit: Both pictures taken straight out of the youtube video above.

Edit 2: One more for the lulz: close up textures (not my own screenshot this time).

[Sky]

Looks like another week off my feet, though the long weekend is jammed full of concerts. Fuck it, wasteland here I come.

[Merusk]

I am very annoyed that the VPN is overloaded.

/twiddle.

[Riggswolfe]

On the graphics stuff:

1) Consoles always suck ass at this kind of thing. Always.
2) Bethesda always launches with shitty graphics followed by an official hi-res texture pack and mods by gamers. In 6 months this game will look amazing. If you play it on PC.

[Evildrider]

[Trippy]

Fallout 4 broke my monitor -- GG Bethseda!

No but seriously it defaulted to a non-standard resolution and refresh rate, blanked my screen and locked out my entire system -- couldn't get back to desktop to kill app -- had to hard reset.

Make sure you don't have stuff unsaved before trying to run it.

[Malakili]

Had time to play for an hour.  Lovely so far.

[Trippy]

Holy shit are faces fugly in this game.

[apocrypha]

I so rarely buy physical discs any more but it proved the cheapest option this time.  I know big day 1 patches are the norm but is only giving you 20% of the game (all what they can fit on 1 dvd) also normal now for PC?

I've read that it's an anti-piracy measure. Physical disc copies leaked early can't be pirated since they're missing gigs of data.

Loving it so far, but holy hell the UI on the PC is a steaming pile of festering clusterfuck. As usual.

Also, list of names that Codsworth can say (taken from the game files apparently). I am now called Quatermass. Miss Quatermass. 

And a very useful guide to unlocking the framerate, changing FOV, skipping intros, etc.

[Sky]

Thanks, the FOV is making me ill. UI sucks, faces are wonk, keyb/m is wonk. So par for the course, really.

Game seems pretty nice a couple hours in, though.

[Quinton]

UI is a bit wonky, but not surprised by that.  I was getting a bit motion sick after an hour or two -- will have to tweak settings a bit to smooth stuff down (it decided everything was Ultra, but that was clearly a bit optimistic) and fiddle with the FOV, etc, so I can hopefully play without feeling ill.

[disKret]

Is it true that after installing 1 DVD I need to download another 25GB?

[Falconeer]

Pro tip: there are shortcut buttons to inventory, map and other things. For instance "i" opens your inventory like in any other RPG out there. If you also have a few spare buttons on your mouse, for inventory and map, you are golden and can forget all of your UI problems.

[Jeff Kelly]

It's weird but I expected it to be janky and I'm kind of glad that it's janky because it means that it's a Bethesda game somehow.

[apocrypha]

Is it true that after installing 1 DVD I need to download another 25GB?

Yep.

Pro tip: there are shortcut buttons to inventory, map and other things. For instance "i" opens your inventory like in any other RPG out there. If you also have a few spare buttons on your mouse, for inventory and map, you are golden and can forget all of your UI problems.

Good tip. Only problem is that the same buttons don't get you out of those screens again    I've had to rebind capslock too - can't stand having my capslock light lit up randomly!

Also, should the thread title now be "Fallout 4 Post-Release Bullshit"? 

[Falconeer]

Not poking at you specifically Jeff, but I am curious about the extended use of the word "janky". It is now everywhere, while it pretty much didn't exist about three years ago, and assuming I know what it means I disagree with the way it's used more often than not. Like in this case.

[Cyrrex]

Liking it just fine so far.  It feels like Fallout 3.5, which is actually fine by me.

[Merusk]

I woke up at 3:15 after going to bed at 10 last night. No reason to stay up if it doesn't unlock, I figure; Game smarter not harder.

The intro was pretty cool as was the first big fight. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the power armor changes, but we'll see. It does make the Armor seem much more impressive this way. They've also been able to increase the power curve when wearing it because of the limitations of your power source, so I won't bitch too hard about it.

The Shelter interface, though. Good lord it's terrible. You thought Inventory was bad you're going to have a fantastic time struggling with this monstrosity. How about a tutorial or even a goddamn manual, please. All the same I found myself wasting over an hour of my pre-work playtime just trying to build shit.

I like the changes to armor crafting, too. Makes all the equipment you find on NPCs more valuable as you harvest them for resources instead of just ignoring everything after the first set.

[Khaldun]

Any thoughts on playing controller v. keyboard on a PC? I've always done Bethesda games with a keyboard.

[Malakili]

I played with mouse and keyboard last night and it felt fine.  The gunplay was a lot better than the previous games and felt good with a mouse.  On the other hand, the interface is clearly designed for a controller and it a little annoying to navigate with a keyboard.  If  you are a kb/m kind of person, you'll be able to get by just fine.

[Falconeer]

I think it's a no-brainer that any 60 fps shooter deserves a mouse. And if you have a mouse with more than 3 buttons (which you should these days if you call yourself a gamer), you are not gonna have that many issues with the UI anyway.

[Merusk]

Any thoughts on playing controller v. keyboard on a PC? I've always done Bethesda games with a keyboard.

If you're good at console shooters you could do it. I'm better with kb&M and the aiming doesn't have lock-on assistance outside of VATS, so that's where I'm going with it.  I'm considering putting my gamepad on the desk to manage inventory and the conversation wheel, though. The interface is fairly shit for that with KB&M.

 

I think it's a no-brainer that any 60 fps shooter deserves a mouse. And if you have a mouse with more than 3 buttons (which you should these days if you call yourself a gamer), you are not gonna have that many issues with the UI anyway.

Maybe if you've got more than 5 buttons. I don't feel like rebinding the wheel and 4&5 though. Well I didn't this morning, maybe I'll give it a shot tonight.

[brellium]

I will say pass on this currently.

There seems to be some game issue where it decides to randomly activate a game pad (even if you don't have one) and kill keyboard control. Exiting the game and restarting resulted in audio static from the GUI and killed mouse wheel.

Reinstall

[Falconeer]

I used to be again multi-button mice. I still think too many don't really help, but 7 button ones (usually with two "buttons" being the tilt of the wheel) are my favourite compromise. They help in so many games, and seriosuly improved my experience too many times to count. A 30$ 7 button mouse has been the best investment I did in 2011 and will never go back from there.

[Mac]

Is it true that after installing 1 DVD I need to download another 25GB?

I bought the DVD (because cheaper) and then added the game key to steam and the download is.....25 GB!. 

[rattran]

The combat does feel 'janky' to me, a bit floaty and the weapons seem horribly inaccurate. The crafting encourages scrounging every little piece of crap you find, makes the Junk Jet painful to load.

It's still fun, but I'm itching for a major UI revision, tab->enter is not a normal key sequence for kb/m

[Malakili]

The combat does feel 'janky' to me, a bit floaty and the weapons seem horribly inaccurate.

It might be that I was just playing Fallout 3 in anticipation of this coming out, but it is an absolutely huge improvement over that.  To the point where one of the first things I noticed was that the gunplay felt a lot better than I expected.

[Tannhauser]

Played 2.5 hours this morning, no issues.  The UI is improved, but I plan on using the hot keys much more than pulling the Pip Boy up.  I am running a Cha 8 guy.  Feels like Fallout 3 and that's a good thing.

[Bunk]

Played five hours last night. Amazing how little you actually progress in a game when you stop to read everything. Spent a huge chunk of time fiddling with the crafting. The interface is meh, but not as bad as vanilla Skyrim. I will be happy for FallUI or whatever it gets called though. Finding myself doing most of my combat in VATS - I like the little change of not letting you just sit there in VATS planning for ever. Faces, I don't know. I've only met five people so far. I love that the crafting is basically fully functional from the get go. Not sure I love the access to so many perks right off the bat though - spend way to much time worrying over whether I'm taking something too soon and should be taking more survivally perks first.

[Sky]

Trying to conserve ammo and just bash the early bugs with the baton was pretty funny. No seeming rhyme or reason to whether I would hit or even be in range.

I like the game so far (well, if I can tweak it to not get nauseous while playing), but it seems like they could've done a decent port to keep so many things from getting in the way of enjoying it. I enjoy eurojank and have to deal with less issues with the interface.

[Merusk]

Played 2.5 hours this morning, no issues.  The UI is improved, but I plan on using the hot keys much more than pulling the Pip Boy up.  I am running a Cha 8 guy.  Feels like Fallout 3 and that's a good thing.

I'd love to hear how that turns out. I've never run a high non-combat stat character.

Usually I focus on Perception/ Ranged but I'm giving Str/ Melee a try for my first guy. So far punching bugs is as aggravating as Sky indicates. VATS helps with this, but I still got my ass handed to me by Mosquitoes the first time I ran into them.

[apocrypha]

Quick tip for the UI - you can hit E instead of Enter, which makes things like the workshop much easier.

[Sky]

Thanks for the link to those tweaks, Apoc. FOV and mouse tweaks fixed most of my nausea issue. Other than the aforementioned combat wonk, I do wish there was a key to highlight items or pop up a name, like in Divinity. Pain in the butt scanning every nook and cranny for stuff to mouse over.

I kind of wish they made your home town a little more friendly for crafting, the stations spread so far apart is kind of a bummer. Seems like the gas station is a better initial base?

Also here's a quick guide for building aka what the feck is all this crap: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/fallout-4-base-building-guide-food-water-power-defense

[Merusk]

I think you can move the stations. I was able to move the beds I accidentally dropped-down in the crafting station area, and you can build new stations.

Hell, you can tear-down the entire town if you really want to. My son was watching right before I got ready to work and pointed out you can tear-down the houses themselves. I had no idea and wouldn't have tried otherwise.