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Reply #280 on: February 18, 2014, 10:56:49 AM

No I don't think it is a bad price either, but I think a lot of the people who were really looking forward to this are going to be disappointed.
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Reply #281 on: February 18, 2014, 10:58:46 AM

Considering that everyone that buys into WoD is going to get one boost along with all of the other content coming with said expansion, $60 is a fine price.  Besides, you know they'll have sales days  awesome, for real

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Reply #282 on: February 18, 2014, 11:01:57 AM

Ha, ha, squeeze those stones. Now we what Blizzard thinks about the state of WoW.

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Reply #283 on: February 18, 2014, 11:02:57 AM

60 bucks is fine. A server + faction change is 55 bucks, so that's a good deal.

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Reply #284 on: February 18, 2014, 12:28:52 PM

I like it. $60 is just about the right place to make a prospective buyer say, "Hmm, that's pricey. How bad do I really want to do this?"

Skipping straight to 90 is not a trivial thing. The free one isn't there so that you can boost your 11th toon to 90 and skip the content, although many people will undoubtedly do that. Possibly including myself  Grin

It's there for a new/returning player to jump right into Alternate History Draenor. After you burn the free one, you better really want to spend the money to get more.

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Reply #285 on: February 18, 2014, 12:38:00 PM

It's way too high. If you made it $10-$20 people would be buying that shit like candy. Starting an alt? Toss in $20 to get going. No one will do that with $60 for the most part.
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Reply #286 on: February 18, 2014, 12:39:10 PM

They have to price it above the transfer price; that doesn't mean it isn't too high, but it's the "right" price given how they have other things priced. Which is too high.

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Reply #287 on: February 18, 2014, 12:45:19 PM

Why does there have to be trasfers in this expansion?

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Reply #288 on: February 18, 2014, 12:48:11 PM

It's way too high. If you made it $10-$20 people would be buying that shit like candy. Starting an alt? Toss in $20 to get going. No one will do that with $60 for the most part.

"Get going"? 90 is the level cap right now. If you buy this upgrade your character is effectively "done" unless you want to do the gear treadmill. From Blizzard's perspective there needs to be a pretty strong financial disincentive to the 90 upgrade so that people don't insta-upgrade a bunch of characters, find themselves without anything interesting left to do, and unsub. Wouldn't be surprised to see this change to "instant 100" after 6-8 months of WoD with the price still at $60. I don't think the price is ever coming down considering what you get and how the other premium services (like transfers) are priced.
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Reply #289 on: February 18, 2014, 01:12:02 PM

They have to price it above the transfer price; that doesn't mean it isn't too high, but it's the "right" price given how they have other things priced. Which is too high.

Do they have to price it above the transfer price? I agree though, compared to the rest of the stuff they sell, this is about right. It's all stupid though.
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Reply #290 on: February 18, 2014, 01:14:04 PM

Hey. Anklebiters. This isn't the F2P game that you're not paying a subscription to play.

Getting boosted to the level cap isn't the same thing as buying an extra slot in your character's bank.
As is the case with all of their other micro transactions, Blizzard doesn't need to sell this service, at any price. They have (roughly) 7 million monthly subscribers. They are already swimming in cash.

As is the case with all of their other micro transactions, they've figured out that there's a market for this service. The difference between this and a mini pet is that getting boosted to 90 means that you're not going to spend however long leveling that toon. That's eating into their bread and butter, so of course they're not going to sell it cheap. Get real.

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Reply #291 on: February 18, 2014, 01:17:52 PM

It's way too high. If you made it $10-$20 people would be buying that shit like candy. Starting an alt? Toss in $20 to get going. No one will do that with $60 for the most part.

"Get going"? 90 is the level cap right now. If you buy this upgrade your character is effectively "done" unless you want to do the gear treadmill. From Blizzard's perspective there needs to be a pretty strong financial disincentive to the 90 upgrade so that people don't insta-upgrade a bunch of characters, find themselves without anything interesting left to do, and unsub. Wouldn't be surprised to see this change to "instant 100" after 6-8 months of WoD with the price still at $60. I don't think the price is ever coming down considering what you get and how the other premium services (like transfers) are priced.

Oh come the fuck on, this is fucking hilarious. This game has always been about the gear treadmill and other level cap activities (crafting, rep grinding, pvp, raiding, dungeon grinding, doing old raids for skins, achievements). You stick a $$ pricetag on the level boost, and unless it's not like $1, people won't "insta upgrade a bunch of characters". That's pretty fucking ridiculous.

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Reply #292 on: February 18, 2014, 01:18:36 PM

I wouldn't sell anything cheap in their shoes either. They don't need people to skip content. In fact, they probably cost themselves 3 months of subs by letting people do exactly that. So they factor that in, come up with a number, add margin on it, and bam. $60.

Frankly, I'd charge people $100. It's easily a better deal than $1 an hour to get a character to max.

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Reply #293 on: February 18, 2014, 01:20:57 PM

They have to price it above the transfer price; that doesn't mean it isn't too high, but it's the "right" price given how they have other things priced. Which is too high.

Do they have to price it above the transfer price? I agree though, compared to the rest of the stuff they sell, this is about right. It's all stupid though.

If they make it cheaper than the transfer price, they lose a bunch of whatevery they're making on transfers right now, which I think is significant. People will just make a $30 dude on the server they want to move to rather than pay $55 to transfer and faction swap, or whatever.

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Reply #294 on: February 18, 2014, 01:29:41 PM

I get that if you sale a cup of coffee with Lamborghini, it has cost more than Lamborghini by itself, but why must they be bundled together in the first place.  I suspect its because your cash cow is going downhill quick and you are forcing people to buy shit they don't want to get every penny will you can.

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Reply #295 on: February 18, 2014, 01:37:56 PM

Oh come the fuck on, this is fucking hilarious. This game has always been about the gear treadmill and other level cap activities (crafting, rep grinding, pvp, raiding, dungeon grinding, doing old raids for skins, achievements). You stick a $$ pricetag on the level boost, and unless it's not like $1, people won't "insta upgrade a bunch of characters". That's pretty fucking ridiculous.

Well, it wasn't always about level cap activities. Arguably it has been since TBC, but leveling alts was still a time sink/thing that kept people subbed. What price you'd find acceptable to level multiple alts is subjective, but if it was $10-20 I'd think a large population of players would use it for more than one character. I'd probably level 3 characters myself, which are 3 classes that I would never have "level up" as a reason to play or stay subscribed for.
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Reply #296 on: February 18, 2014, 01:42:37 PM

They would make serious fuck you money if it was priced lower. I am pretty sure $60 doesn't maximize their revenue from it, they'd probably benefit from pricing it at 20 or 30 and slashing the transfer fees accordingly.

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Reply #297 on: February 18, 2014, 02:38:20 PM

They would make serious fuck you money if it was priced lower. I am pretty sure $60 doesn't maximize their revenue from it, they'd probably benefit from pricing it at 20 or 30 and slashing the transfer fees accordingly.

There's honestly no way to know short of reports. $30 doesn't scream TAKE MY MONEY while $60 gets a pass to me.

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Reply #298 on: February 18, 2014, 03:49:04 PM

$60 is way too much.  Charge $30 and make even more money. 
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Reply #299 on: February 18, 2014, 04:18:20 PM

Thirty bucks, I think about buying one to max someone on the opposite faction of whoever I decided to boost for free. Sixty bucks, I go "fuck it, I probably wouldn't have even liked the expansion anyway" and I go back to ignoring WoW entirely. But who knows how typical I am of the lapsed-WoW-people.

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Reply #300 on: February 18, 2014, 04:32:16 PM

You get one free boost to 90 when you buy the expansion no matter what.

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Reply #301 on: February 18, 2014, 04:36:09 PM

I think the point was that this was priced so high as to dissuade someone from purchasing the xpac entirely.

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Reply #302 on: February 18, 2014, 04:53:41 PM

You get one free boost to 90 when you buy the expansion no matter what.

Right, but I played both sides more or less equally. I'd want a second boost. Cheap enough, I buy one. Not cheap enough, I don't bother with it at all, because I don't feel like figuring out which side I'd want my free 90 and which side I'd have to slog through a bunch of shit I couldn't even make it through when MoP came out.

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Reply #303 on: February 18, 2014, 05:19:44 PM

I think the point was that this was priced so high as to dissuade someone from purchasing the xpac entirely.

Certainly killed my interest. I never made it to 90 on my Horde and several alts.  Cheap enough I can get them up, ok I'll give it a shot and toss some bucks their way for the alts. Now, not so much.

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Reply #304 on: February 18, 2014, 05:33:31 PM

$30 seems too small to me. Why the hell would I bother leveling a character? What's that in hours? 80-100?

At that point Blizzard is trading 2 months of time for a complete reroll. I'm not sure that's a good trade even in larger numbers.

Also, I think that's a good point about the x-pac and cost.

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Reply #305 on: February 18, 2014, 08:46:49 PM

Thirty bucks isn't something I'd drop every time I think to myself "I feel like playing a <blah>." It's high enough to make me ask myself if I reeeeally want to spend that, low enough that I don't immediately dismiss it out of hand. I know that price is going to be different for everyone, but the arbitrarily suggested 30 bucks is pretty close for me.

Again, I dunno how many people are like me, where they see that price, go "ugh, just forget the whole thing" and won't bother even picking up the expansion. But I am pretty sure it didn't "need" to be sixty bucks, either.

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Reply #306 on: February 18, 2014, 11:32:50 PM

I will never spend $60 on any sort of in-game item/service.  This is no different.  $30 dollars is at least tempting.  I would have probably liked to make a Panda Monk and level it to max after I got done with the Panda only content.  Plus, all of my characters are two expansions behind in the leveling content (never did Cata leveling, got stalled out on my goblin).

But, who am I kidding, I'm done as hell with WoW.   I got the free "try this for a week" thing and logged in once, spent 10 minutes running around Orgrimmar(sp) and generally being confused at my goblin hunter's talents, and then promptly forgot it existed.  I guess at this point I have better no sub option and sub options if I want the whole MMO thing.  So, I guess I don't count in this conversation.

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Reply #307 on: February 19, 2014, 02:46:16 AM

Assuming I bought WoD (still haven't bought MoP), I'd get my free 90.  At $30, I'd level one or two toons.  At $60 I won't even bother with one.  I might pay $30 to repeat content I just did with my free 90, I won't do that at $60.
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Reply #308 on: February 19, 2014, 09:22:18 AM

Within the pool of vocal forum WoW players most of the loud bitching about the level 90 boost has been of the "dumbing the game down!" variety, i.e. people complaining that their precious heroics are going to be filled with noobs who've paid for a lvl 90 character and don't know how to play. Retarded, I know, but that's what the noise sounds like.

Pricing it at $60 is, I think, a pacifier to those idiots. It's expensive enough to limit it's uptake somewhat and I guess that's very deliberate.

It's irrelevant to me anyway, I only play one faction on one server and I only have one character slot left there that's not already got a 90 in it.  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #309 on: February 19, 2014, 10:08:54 AM

I wouldn't be shocked if they teased this price, then cut it down to $40 or lower. It would be smart marketing.


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Reply #310 on: February 19, 2014, 01:36:48 PM

Again, there will be sales.  They've had them before for all of their services.  $60 is fine.

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Reply #311 on: February 19, 2014, 01:40:27 PM

I go along with the "don't cut into xfers" notion with the xfer+$5 pricing.  I don't know they really care what the price is, just how it looks against their other offerings. Plus, I daresay there's alist somewhere of "Things we need to have to go F2P on WoW or anything else" and this was just another one of those.

They're not idiots over there - I"m sure they realize that at some point, when the level cap is 300+, that they'll need a "boost to level X" service.  It's just here early. Or maybe right on time... who knows?
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Reply #312 on: February 19, 2014, 01:49:39 PM

If WoW eventually does go F2P I'm all for it, but they will probably do something stupid like limit LFR attempts.  awesome, for real

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Reply #313 on: February 19, 2014, 04:41:55 PM

And in other news:

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Reply #314 on: February 19, 2014, 05:21:34 PM

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