Bitch Thread for Warlords of Draenor

[Merusk]

It's a bullshit gate to have a gate. It's drawing out players time to make the world a little less empty. It's crap and indefensible. What difference does it make to let me pick up all 3 at once. None other than now needing to find another group for the next two area grinds.

Plus the area grinds are fucking lame. I'm not interested in filling up 3 bars of 20-30 mins of mob grind/ world clicks each. The "it only takes 10 mins" shit being flung is a pure lie. Time it, it's longer than that solo and if you've got elites to do almost twice that because some of the idiots in your group aren't going to be around or are going to die and slow you down.

90 mins a day of bullshit grind on top of chore grinds isn't content it's a flailing attempt at retention.

[Setanta]

I'm just amused that people are still playin g this. The expansion leveling was nice, backstory/story was a polished turd, the garrison a novelty until you realised it's just one more gimmicky grind, the flying grind is just a grind for nothing substantial other than flying itself and the raids are quite average. Dungeons fulfilled their purpose.

Oh... and no further content until the next expansion is laughable.

They really did expect their new MMO to replace WoW didn't they? The lack of real innovation is laughable for the price of the Xpack

Not bashing, the expack was a fun ride but now the whole amusement park is looking tired and tatty and lacking in any direction other than grind - and that has been the problem with WoW since day 1. At least GW2 tried to address it with Living Story. Seasonal Living Story in WoW? You can tell that Blizzard don't give a damn when they don't integrate good ideas from another MMO and integrate it with their old polish.

[Hutch]

So it seems that 6.2 is the last big content push for WoD.

http://www.wowhead.com/news=248176/6-2-mamytwink-interview-hellfire-citadel-planned-as-last-warlords-raid-and-more

There has been grousing that the lack of further content wasn't announced officially, it was just mentioned in an interview with a French gaming magazine.  Also the fact that the Blizzard guy being interviewed called 6.1 (selfies and Twitter integration) a major patch.

As well as -- you know -- two raids and done for this expansion. 

It's like they're giving up. Again I am wondering, how many subs have they lost?

[Rokal]

Plus the area grinds are fucking lame. I'm not interested in filling up 3 bars of 20-30 mins of mob grind/ world clicks each. The "it only takes 10 mins" shit being flung is a pure lie. Time it, it's longer than that solo and if you've got elites to do almost twice that because some of the idiots in your group aren't going to be around or are going to die and slow you down.

I timed it since there is a stop-watch in-game and I was doing them anyway. Total time from quest pick-up to completion was 10min 37seconds on a tank spec char. They are fast as long as you are concentrating on Rares that spawn (~10% progress), objectives (3-5% progress), and lastly mobs (1-2% progress) in that order.

They really did expect their new MMO to replace WoW didn't they? The lack of real innovation is laughable for the price of the Xpack

They knew Titan was cancelled while they worked on WoD. The excuse they gave for the last 14 month content drought they had was "we added a bunch of new people to the team and training is hard". This time? No excuse.

My only guess is that lots of the team has been pulled to work on HOTS, Overwatch, and Hearthstone.

[SurfD]

Plus the area grinds are fucking lame. I'm not interested in filling up 3 bars of 20-30 mins of mob grind/ world clicks each. The "it only takes 10 mins" shit being flung is a pure lie. Time it, it's longer than that solo and if you've got elites to do almost twice that because some of the idiots in your group aren't going to be around or are going to die and slow you down.

I timed it since there is a stop-watch in-game and I was doing them anyway. Total time from quest pick-up to completion was 10min 37seconds on a tank spec char. They are fast as long as you are concentrating on Rares that spawn (~10% progress), objectives (3-5% progress), and lastly mobs (1-2% progress) in that order.

There is that, plus some areas are WAY faster then others if you get the right bonus quest.  For example, if you do the Ruins of Kranak (or whatever) where the Arakoa are, a 3 man group can probbaly whack that entire bonus zone out in 5 to 6 minutes if you go for the elite area,  since the elites / world clickies there give 7 to 10% completion per kill.   If the area is not heavily populated or the daily quest from the table, i almost always do that one as one of my 2 bonus areas because it is so goddamned fast to complete.   It also  has a bonus that i can usually pick up 90% of my Fel-Corrupted apexis crystals for the daily  there also because the Radiating Shard Clickies can be found fairly frequently there.

[Paelos]

They really did expect their new MMO to replace WoW didn't they? The lack of real innovation is laughable for the price of the Xpack

Yes, which was why I sold my stock when they announced that it was cancelled. Then subsequently the stock went up like 20%. Go figure. I still made $5 a share from it moving from $16 to $21, so I'm not mad.

The target was $25, and they hit that. Now? Certain groups are raising it to $30. I have absolutely no idea WTF they are trading on.

http://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ratings/analyst-color/15/07/5652785/pacific-crest-hikes-activision-target-to-30-on-starcraft

In the report Pacific Crest noted, "We expect the next StarCraft 2 expansion in March, the next World of Warcraft (WoW) expansion (tied to the Warcraft movie) in early June and Overwatch's commercial release in late June. Three Blizzard releases (with only modest capitalized software), combined with potential high-margin growth from Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm and Call of Duty: China, could lead to a very big earnings number."

That right there? That's pure insanity. The first SC2 expansion came out in 2013, and got absolutely lambasted for the story. It still sold well over 1.1M copies right off the bat. But are people clamoring for another round of story content on this thing? Because from what I understand, that's all you get. The next Wow expansion? We're looking at WoW bleeding out at least another 2M subs before we even get there. That's $30M a month if that happens. That's HUGE for their bottom line at over $350M in revenues lost if they drop 2M subs. The company is still hugely dependant on the game, regardless of what they say. And the fact they cancelled Titan then rebranded it as Overwatch shows their desperation. They would have NEVER done that on an earlier product.

Hearthstone makes money and costs nothing. That's a huge boon for them. I have no idea if HOTS will make them big money, but let's assume it will. Can they both overcome $300M a year? I seriously doubt it.

[luckton]

I really kinda hope they avoid anymore "hey, let's find another obtuse way to revisit/retcon our lorelol" expansions. Let WoD be the thing that gets all of that out of their system and let's move the lorelol forward.

But if they are wanting to release an expansion that coincides with the movie, and the movie's going to be all about Warcraft I...

[Sir T]

What they need to is introduce timetravel and have a Derminator go back in time to kill off... somonme and reset the whole universe and so you begin to learn the whole new lore.

Or planet wow blows up and you wind up in world of starcraft.

[Paelos]

Is the movie written by Metzen? If so, I can't wait to watch people who have no gaming fanboism review it and his writing style.

[Merusk]

Duncan Jones   ...   (screenplay)
Charles Leavitt   ...   (screenplay)
Chris Metzen   ...   (story and characters)

[Paelos]

Hahahaha, Rotten Tomatoes will beat this thing into oblivion. 

[Kitsune]

The only thing that would get me to come back to WoW is a time travel expansion where they roll the servers back to WotLK and undo all the shitty design decisions they've made since then.  This whole flying thing only confirms that I made the right move in splitting back in Cataclysm.

[Rendakor]

I would even go back to an EQ1 style progression server that started back in Vanilla.

[Fabricated]

I'm sure at some point we'll get a super revamp expansion that literally rolls back every change made from MOP onwards and reverts it to a "classic" system, with zero irony.

[Paelos]

I'm sure at some point we'll get a super revamp expansion that literally rolls back every change made from MOP onwards and reverts it to a "classic" system, with zero irony.

The irony will be implied.

[angry.bob]

The only thing that would get me to come back to WoW is a time travel expansion where they roll the servers back to WotLK and undo all the shitty design decisions they've made since then.  This whole flying thing only confirms that I made the right move in splitting back in Cataclysm.

Pretty much the same here. WoTLK was the pinnacle of WoW. Even for the armor and weapons aesthetics. MoP stuff looked okay but I didn't care for the style they were going for. The stuff now is back to the terribad Rocky Horror Picture Show stuff they did back in the early days.

[Azuredream]

I'll have you know classic WoW gear sets were the epitome of style.

[Sir T]

I think there is a touch of rose tinted glasses here...

[apocrypha]

I don't think you could fit glasses on under that helmet.

[Setanta]

I don't know about that. Cata/MoP/WoD just didn't do it for me. Vanilla was good then, not now. TBC was great, massive improvement except for Blood Elves and the arrival of paladins Horde side. Pallies/Shaman should have been left as faction specific and our 2H WF should never have been nerfed. WotLK was the renaissance, so many new things brought in, a great series of questlines and it was just fun, end of story.

I'll never look back on Cata/MoP/Wod with fondness - in fact they are the only 3 expansions where I let my subscription lapse.

That says it all.

[Fabricated]

Cata would've been more acceptable if it was less of a ball puncher in general since the revamped leveling experience was welcome and good. The amount/type of content wasn't terrible- it was just tuned for grognards for most of the expansion and everyone who couldn't hack it punched out which was like half of the people I liked playing with.

MoP would've been alright enough to keep me playing if Cata hadn't broken my release-day guild and made all my friends quit.

I never bought WoD and I doubt I'll ever touch the game again.

[Paelos]

Cata would've been more acceptable if it was less of a ball puncher in general since the revamped leveling experience was welcome and good. The amount/type of content wasn't terrible- it was just tuned for grognards for most of the expansion and everyone who couldn't hack it punched out which was like half of the people I liked playing with.

MoP would've been alright enough to keep me playing if Cata hadn't broken my release-day guild and made all my friends quit.

I never bought WoD and I doubt I'll ever touch the game again.

I played Cata in the hopes it wouldn't be ball-punching, but the idiots won the day and the game was tuned exactly as you said. They couldn't unring that bell after they waited more than 6 months to acknowledge they'd run off 20% of their players. It was probably the largest loss of subscribers in a 12 month period in the history of the game. Everyone at the top that was involved with the design and implementation of that expansion would have been fired by any other major company for losing 20% of the customers. But in this case? They just kept right on trucking with a letter explaining how the players were playing the game wrong.

[Fabricated]

If they had just did what they did with WoD's raid difficulties (LFR, doable with everyone in ventrilo normal, okay a handful of people need to be on point heroic, autistic grognard ultra difficulty with its own raid size Mythic) and made the 5-mans not ball punchers with fucking shitty rewards people would've likely stayed.

I had it when they brought back the troll raids as 5-mans and it was irritating content to do for shit-piss-garbage rewards.

[Paelos]

Yes, if they'd released LFR at the front end of Cata along with 5-man easy content, they would have been fine. They didn't. Even 5-mans were tuned to be horribly coordinated and in some cases geared up at the front end.

Instead, LFR was release in the "Hour of Twilight" patch (the naming of which is soooooooo fucking ironic at this point with the game). That 4.3 patch was a full 12 months after the expansion was released. Too little too late.

Even I came back mid-way through the MOP expansion because it promised a return from Cataclysm, but in the end I didn't like the atmosphere, the stories involved, and all my friends were never coming back.

[Fabricated]

I just got a "Here's 7 free days" thing.

Yeah, nope.

[Paelos]

I just got a "Here's 7 free days" thing.

Yeah, nope.

My friend are were laughing at that. He said we could log in and use our gold for free time. I said, yeah we'd still have to buy that fucking xpac.

Nope.

[Hutch]

I just got a "Here's 7 free days" thing.

Yeah, nope.

[Rendakor]

I just got a "Here's 7 free days" thing.

Yeah, nope.

[Fabricated]

Blizzard: "No, seriously! 7 days!"

Me: "Nope."

[Rasix]

It would take longer patching than I would spend playing. I'm already subbed to another DIKU, this game would just feel bad in comparison.

I'm not even sure it's on my PC anymore.  The last "7 days freeeee!!!!!" was so unimpressive that I may have uninstalled out of disgust.

[Paelos]

Blizzard: "No, seriously! 7 days!"

Me: "Nope."

Yep, same thing.

[Draegan]

They sent me a second email with "ARE YOU SURE YOU DONT WANT TO TRY THIS! YOUR TIME IS ALMOST UP!!!? please"

[Rasix]

Doesn't matter anyhow.  My mobile authenticator stopped working for whatever reason.  Most of the ways to get around your mobile authenticator not working require a mobile authenticator.   

I wanted to play Diablo 3.

[Paelos]

Doesn't matter anyhow.  My mobile authenticator stopped working for whatever reason.  Most of the ways to get around your mobile authenticator not working require a mobile authenticator.   

I wanted to play Diablo 3.

You can call them up and they will fix it, you'll just have to deal with a CSR asking you a ton of questions to prove you're you.

[Cadaverine]

I lost my authenticator a couple of months back when we moved, so I had to have it removed by CS.  It was a pretty painless process, and only took a few minutes.